Glenn Beck was mad. He's the right-wing talk-radio host who has a television program on the Fox News Channel.
Advertisers were fleeing his Fox program en masse after the civil-rights group Color of Change mounted a campaign urging advertisers to boycott Beck, who labeled President Barack Obama a “racist.” As the campaign progressed, Beck began his attacks against Van Jones. Jones was appointed by Obama in March to be special adviser for green jobs. He co-founded Color of Change four years ago. After weeks of attacks from Beck, Jones resigned his position at the White House last Sunday.
Beck said on “Fox & Friends,” the network's morning show, July 28: “This president I think has exposed himself as a guy over and over and over again who has a deep-seated hatred for white people. ... This guy is, I believe, a racist.” This inspired colorofchange.org to launch its campaign urging advertisers to drop their sponsorship of Beck's Fox program. The campaign had a powerful impact, with companies like Progressive Insurance, GEICO and Procter & Gamble immediately pulling their advertising. Since then, more than 50 companies have joined, including Best Buy, Capital One, CVS, Discover, GMAC Financial Services, HSBC, Mercedes-Benz, Travelocity and Wal-Mart.
Van Jones was named one of Time magazine's 100 most influential people in the world for 2009. His book, “The Green Collar Economy,” was a national best-seller. A Yale Law School graduate, Jones didn't go after the lucrative jobs that were available to him, but moved to San Francisco, where he founded Bay Area PoliceWatch, a hot line for victims of alleged police brutality. He then founded the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights, based in Oakland, Calif., “a strategy and action center working for justice, opportunity and peace in urban America.” The center thrived, growing to a staff of more than 20 and building a solid record of fighting police violence and youth incarceration, along with spearheading green-job initiatives.
The fusion of racial justice and economic and environmental sustainability is at the core of Jones' work.
Beck alleged Jones was a former black nationalist and communist, that he signed a petition calling for a congressional investigation into the events of 9/11, and that Jones referred to Republicans as (expletive deleted) in a February 2009 talk. (Beck failed to note that Jones referred to himself in the talk with the same term.) Jones apologized for the remark, which is more than George W. Bush did when recorded referring to New York Times reporter Adam Clymer with the same term in 2000.
Jones said Beck's attacks were a “vicious smear campaign ... using lies and distortions to distract and divide.” Ben Jealous, president and CEO of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said, “The only thing more outrageous than Mr. Beck's attack on Van Jones is the fact that there are sponsors that continue to pay him to provide this type of offensive commentary.”
He recalled Beck's 2006 radio attack on a 7-year-old African-American girl, when Beck, responding to her poem about her heritage, said: “You want to go to Africa? I will personally purchase your airfare. I'll do it. It's one-way.”
Glenn Beck may claim a notch in his belt, but he's also helped push Van Jones back into an arena where he can be much more effective, as a grass-roots organizer working for progressive change from outside the administration. And with groups like the NAACP paying more attention to Beck, the advertiser boycott of his show is unlikely to just go away.
Denis Moynihan contributed research to this column. Amy Goodman is the host of “Democracy Now!,” a daily international TV/radio news hour airing on more than 750 stations in North America
Beck said on “Fox & Friends,” the network's morning show, July 28: “This president I think has exposed himself as a guy over and over and over again who has a deep-seated hatred for white people. ... This guy is, I believe, a racist.” This inspired colorofchange.org to launch its campaign urging advertisers to drop their sponsorship of Beck's Fox program. The campaign had a powerful impact, with companies like Progressive Insurance, GEICO and Procter & Gamble immediately pulling their advertising. Since then, more than 50 companies have joined, including Best Buy, Capital One, CVS, Discover, GMAC Financial Services, HSBC, Mercedes-Benz, Travelocity and Wal-Mart.
Van Jones was named one of Time magazine's 100 most influential people in the world for 2009. His book, “The Green Collar Economy,” was a national best-seller. A Yale Law School graduate, Jones didn't go after the lucrative jobs that were available to him, but moved to San Francisco, where he founded Bay Area PoliceWatch, a hot line for victims of alleged police brutality. He then founded the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights, based in Oakland, Calif., “a strategy and action center working for justice, opportunity and peace in urban America.” The center thrived, growing to a staff of more than 20 and building a solid record of fighting police violence and youth incarceration, along with spearheading green-job initiatives.
The fusion of racial justice and economic and environmental sustainability is at the core of Jones' work.
Beck alleged Jones was a former black nationalist and communist, that he signed a petition calling for a congressional investigation into the events of 9/11, and that Jones referred to Republicans as (expletive deleted) in a February 2009 talk. (Beck failed to note that Jones referred to himself in the talk with the same term.) Jones apologized for the remark, which is more than George W. Bush did when recorded referring to New York Times reporter Adam Clymer with the same term in 2000.
Jones said Beck's attacks were a “vicious smear campaign ... using lies and distortions to distract and divide.” Ben Jealous, president and CEO of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said, “The only thing more outrageous than Mr. Beck's attack on Van Jones is the fact that there are sponsors that continue to pay him to provide this type of offensive commentary.”
He recalled Beck's 2006 radio attack on a 7-year-old African-American girl, when Beck, responding to her poem about her heritage, said: “You want to go to Africa? I will personally purchase your airfare. I'll do it. It's one-way.”
Glenn Beck may claim a notch in his belt, but he's also helped push Van Jones back into an arena where he can be much more effective, as a grass-roots organizer working for progressive change from outside the administration. And with groups like the NAACP paying more attention to Beck, the advertiser boycott of his show is unlikely to just go away.
Denis Moynihan contributed research to this column. Amy Goodman is the host of “Democracy Now!,” a daily international TV/radio news hour airing on more than 750 stations in North America
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AJ wrote on Sep 19, 2009 2:52 PM:
Most of the conflicts we have are not liberal vs conservative, they are between the rich and the poor. Unfortunately, the rich have suckered quite a number of the poor (mostly this means you, FOX believers). into thinking the government can't do anything right all the while they themselves feed at the trough and write the laws that govern them.
Please get a clue....
Oh, and also watch "The Distinguished Gentleman", written by Marty Kaplan. "
AJ wrote on Sep 19, 2009 2:34 PM:
" "I went to the editor to get the information removed. It was at that time I found that the link was the problem, and I apologized as well.
I guarantee you it was not a week as I took quick action."
Yeah, you went to the editor ONCE IT GOT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD THAT YOU WERE WRONG. There was NO option but to apologize. "
So, now you agree that I did take quick action, and that I apologized. What's your point? I agreed that I jumped the gun. Why do you keep bringing this up? NOthing better to do of substance?
OTOH, you should also have had the decency NOT to post the RESSULTS of that link. But hey, I am not about to give you a hard time over that. Posting the link as I did was MY mistake.
Move on, MS... "
movedsouth wrote on Sep 16, 2009 11:36 AM:
movedsouth wrote on Sep 16, 2009 11:34 AM:
chris van note wrote on Sep 16, 2009 11:25 AM:
Obama Admin: Cap And Trade Could Cost Families $1,761 A Year
The Obama Administration has concluded that a cap and trade law would cost American taxpayers up to $200 billion a year, the equivalent of hiking personal income taxes by about 15 percent.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09/15/taking_liberties/entry5314040.shtml
Boy howdy, the liberal Democrats are just full of great ideas! "
liberal karl wrote on Sep 16, 2009 9:59 AM:
I'm not sure what "question" I "didn't answer"--are you looking for a specific?
Gulf of Tonkin?--yes, the phony, manufactured incident that started the Viet Nam war.
Sandy Berger? Yes, I know he was involved in some allegedly treasonous activities involving something about nuclear triggers or something--what does any of this have to do with Glenn Beck? I honestly don't get it--I"m suspicious that you're trying to divert the conversation down an only-vaguely-relevant tangent??
I know that the Dems have their own scumbags in office, but you'd have to be smoking crack or something not to recognize the role of the Conservatives and Republicans in screwwing up this country. From their coddling-up-to of Big Business and Big Pharma, to their partnering with the Religious Right, their sycophantic relationship and support of George W's disastrous policies--come on, Jerry--who's kidding who? "
liberal karl wrote on Sep 15, 2009 7:09 PM:
We'll agree to disagree then.
;) "
budobrubbie wrote on Sep 15, 2009 6:30 PM:
What about the $100 billion that the FDIC may have to put up to rescue failing banks? Valid question. Briefly, the FDIC has an insurance pool which is funded by premiums from the banks, but that's running out of money so the taxpayer will probably have to step up. Just like we did in the S&L crisis 20 years ago. You'll recall, we fronted the money and then the FDIC levied gradual assessments on the banks over an extended period of time to pull that money back into the funds. We made that money back, although it took awhile. Economists and the CBO predict that the same thing will happen in this case.
The bigger loss, however, will be the net cost of the recession itself, which could reach approximately 1 trillion dollars when you add in the $800 billion dollar stimulus package and the approximately $200 billion needed to pay for higher unemployment and food stamp benefits.
That's one trillion dollars or basically, the same as the cost so far of former President Bush's War on Terror. If you sat on your hands throughout the Bush administration, why are you angry only now? "
jlmorgansr wrote on Sep 15, 2009 6:17 PM:
So I ask, have you ever heard of the Gulf of Tonkin?
Are you aware of the treasonous act of Sandy Berger?
I told you we can play the blame game till the cows come home but what would that prove?
Bush may have pushed the limits of the Patriot Act, but i will freely admit, since he took the war to them we have not had another attack on American soil.
And I also believe that Obama will make the patriot act look like a boy scout hand book. With the radicals he has surrounded himself with, it seems to be his top agenda, and BTW this includes ACORN
Now this is the last time I will address this issue, my sister in law just died and believe it or not I have some things going on in my life that are a tad more important to me than NoBama and his lefty regressive pals.
You really should stick to the music, at least music is non-partisan. I didn't mean to tell you what to do, honestly, after all it's your career. "
chris van note wrote on Sep 15, 2009 4:57 PM:
In the first two budget years under Palin, the state government has stashed almost $6 billion of surplus revenues in various reserve and savings accounts in anticipation of future drops in the price of oil. And the state has allocated another $4 billion over two years for a laundry list of new capital projects, mostly small grants initiated in budget requests by legislators for their districts.
Sounds pretty good to me... "
liberal karl wrote on Sep 15, 2009 4:52 PM:
Again, I ask you--WHERE WERE YOU WHEN BUSH WAS RUNNING UP THE DEFICIT WITH AN UNACCOUNTED-FOR WAR??! You DO know that the numbers for the cost of that debacle were hidden and obfuscated and deliberately under-reported and NOT in the actual budget numbers, right?!
And your double-hypocrisy about Obama swearing "to uphold the Constitution"?!?! --WHAT--LIKE BUSH DID?!? For crissakes, Jerry--the guy authorized Torture, wiretapping, and all sorts of civil liberties abuses.
Where the hell was your self-righteousness during THAT?!?
Seriously, Jerry--in ten-foot bold letters, "WTF?"?!?!
Glen Beck "scares" me only because people like you listen to him and think that he speaks "Truth" Jeezus Crist! The guy is a radical demagogue by ANY standard! And you wanna talk about Gush's associations?! All the religious wingnuts on the Right? James Dobson? Tony Perkins? And all the twisted Neocons? I mean, do you just NOT KNOW about them and their sick designs on America? Let me tell you, Jerry--they're a HELL OF A LOT SCARIER than Van Jones!
And I don't believe in "Big Government"--I have no ideological affinity for "socialism". I DO, however, have a real belief in taking care of the citizens whose lives have been put up, traded, and discarded as simple casino chips in the game of Obscene Profit. DO YOU REALLY see Health Care as NOT needing to be reformed? Have you been paying attention to the abuses and utter, ruthless heartlessness of the Insurance Giants? How can you expect these vampires to just agree to reform themselves--are you really that naive? Or have you really just buried you conscience in a box somewhere in the back yard?
Honestly; you floor me. "
chris van note wrote on Sep 15, 2009 4:50 PM:
Progressive Answer: You're a racist.
Conservative Concern: These new mandates and regulations will drive up the cost of insurance for middle class families, making it even costlier than it is today.
Progressive Answer: You're a racist.
Conservative Concern: There are over 1,300 insurance plans in the United States. Why not break down the legal barriers and let them all compete nationwide? That wouldn't cost the Government a dime.
Progressive Answer: You're a racist.
Conservative Criticism: If these reforms are so great, why not do them on Medicare/Medicaid first and prove they work before forcing them on the entire economy?
Progressive Response: Racist! Racist! Racist! Glenn Beck! Sarah Quitter Palin! Racist! Racist! "
liberal karl wrote on Sep 15, 2009 4:33 PM:
If you were as intelligent as I am, you could have answered it.
As cm would say; if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
Quack, quack, Chris. "
chris van note wrote on Sep 15, 2009 4:19 PM:
" Chris--ducking the question again, huh?"
Karl, we were talking about Obammy's appointees, not Palin, were we not?
Talk about ducking the question.
For the new folks here, you'll soon realize that Karl thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, just ask him.
HIS sources are correct, HIS opinion is correct, HIS politics are correct and since he claims to be an American, he'll fight to the death for your right to agree with him. "
jlmorgansr wrote on Sep 15, 2009 3:28 PM:
That my friend is SOCIALISM, yup the kind of Government that members of Obama's staff believe in.
Look I could point fingers at Clinton till the cows come home and say, he didn't do this or he disemboweled our military, and yadda yadda yadda and where would that get us? Right back to square 1. My point is Obama is the President of the United States, he should not associate with communists or members of radical groups. He has taken an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States. You may not give a rats behind about that , but I sure as heck do. And I know if Bush has those associations you would be screaming to high heaven (please forgive the pun) about him.\
We are now 7 trillion dollars in debt and he has been on office less than 1 year, my one year old granddaughter will be a grandmother in her own right and she will still be paying off this debt. What kind of future is that?
Obama is dancing to the tune of Nancy Pelosi, and the Van Jones's, spend, spend, spend, and change our government music.
Maybe just maybe if you listened to what Glen Beck says and really looked at with an open mind it would scare the hell out of you because what he is saying is the absolute truth. Van Jones stated that he was a victim of a smear campaign, well la tee da, how the heck can you smear a person by playing his own video speeches? He is the one that made the statements not Glen. And who brought him in to the Obama fold? Now what was her name again? Ummmm, and what Czar position does she hold again? ummmmm,I can still hear her talking about all the great thing Van Jones had accomplished in Chicago. lmao
This is getting you or I no where, we will never see eye to eye concerning this matter but at least we agree with some local issues. This is the main reason why I have refuse to get involved with national issues, there is enough corruption and graft on the local level to keep me occupied. Forget about Sandy Berger, and the scandals in Washington, ooops I forgot there was never a scandal concerning that traitor was there? He had top secret documents in his socks but he he was never prosecuted, oh well, ya get my point? Integrity, is something that is sorely lacking in both parties. Nixon, Johnson,
Clinton, Water Gate to White Water to the Gulf of Tonkin, to Iraq, we could go at it till the cows come home and nothing would change, but the names to protect the idiots "
movedsouth wrote on Sep 15, 2009 2:39 PM:
liberal karl wrote on Sep 15, 2009 2:19 PM:
movedsouth wrote on Sep 15, 2009 1:50 PM:
liberal karl wrote on Sep 15, 2009 12:59 PM:
Again, it's scary to think that you get your "news" from the same networks which Beck pollutes.
The crowds down in DC were NOT "1-2 million"! You must have been listening to that other idiot, Rush? He's been the one laying that lie down as far as I've heard.
The TRUE numbers of the crowd was maybe 60-65 thousand. ABC NEWs was misquoted, and the guy who misquoted them for Faux News even admitted that--please read it here;
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/protest-crowd-size-estimate-falsely-attributed-abc-news/story?id=8558055 "
AND PLEASE FIND A RELIABLE SOURCE FOR YOUR NEWS!!!!! "
liberal karl wrote on Sep 15, 2009 12:55 PM:
Seriously--you have ZERO credibility with your petty complaints!
Obama has run up a debt? Well where the hell was your loud voice during the eight years of a TRILLION DOLLAR ILLEGAL AND DECEITFULLY-STARTED WAR?!?!
WHAT ABOUT THE ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY SEVEN B-I-L-L-I-O-N dollar surplus that Clinton saved and that Bush WASTED?!
Let me put that another way, Jerry--$127,000,000,000!!! And you've got the stones to carp and whine about Obama's spending? How big is that stick in your eye?
Let me tell you something Jerry--here's the problem with your ideas about turning over all these enterprises to private interests--you still (inexplicably) believe that Big Business people can be trusted to look out for the common good. For the common man. For US, Jerry. YOU'RE WRONG.
Look at what happened when we took the fences down and let the Wall Street pigs run loose. They completely stripped the vineyard. Rumsfeldt was a Big Pharma guy, and look what happened to drug prices and medical costs. The pigs-at-the-trough DO NOT CARE about average Americans. YOU think they do. And you infer that I'm naive?
McCain had 27 registered lobbyists on his campaign too--lobbyists that would UNDOUBTEDLY have ended up in his cabinet. And worse, HE showed himself to have a weak, gullible constitution when he caved in to the "radicals" in the Conservative party who proposed a far-Right religious nut, aka Palin for VP. Time has vindicated we who KNEW she was wrong for the country. SO what other choice was there? The McCain/Palin ticket genuinely FRIGHTENED me!
Glenn Beck CALLS HIMSELF "an entertainer"--yet you listen to him like he has some sort of integrity!? This A-HOLE is siding with people who are threatening our president's life, with people bringing guns to speeches where hundreds of innocent civilians are gathered. They're the fringe, radical part of your party--and Beck sides with, and inflames them with his disgusting, race-baiting rhetoric. He BLATANTLY lies, and repeats lies about policy, Obama's birth, etc. and makes incendiary commentary to stir the mob. And you've got the stones to complain about "radicals"?! PFFAAAAHHHH!!!
Let me tell you what "values" I hold, Jerry--Honesty, Integrity, Compassion, love of Humanity and Altruism. And YOUR party has shown itself possessing NONE of those values! Lie, Lie, Lie and protect the gilded status quo elite.
Think twice before you presume to lecture me about your alleged "values...".?!? "
a.mom wrote on Sep 15, 2009 12:24 PM:
I'm not a Beck watcher (no TV in the house), but I did read transcripts of the Van Jones speeches and he made his positions very clear. In fact, he flat out said that he was a communist. He also admitted that he was encouraged to apply to Yale, and chose to attend because he knew he wouldn't have to make the grade (they have a no grade policy), so he could spend his time there beefing up his resume and rabblerousing. He is a man with an agenda, and he was given easy access to our president with his very anti-American beliefs, which is why as soon as the light was turned on his beliefs he was shown the door - at midnight on the Saturday of a holiday weekend.
It's interesting how many people here do not want to confront the truth about Obama, that he is a radical with an agenda that would never have gotten him past the nomination votes if he had been honest about who he is and what he believes. It is truly as simple as that. 1-2 million Americans rallying in DC this past Saturday, traveling on their own dime from all over the country, to demonstrate their worries about where this president wants to take our country should prove to Obama supporters that they need to look elsewhere for their news. The bias in the media is demonstrably clear. "
liberal karl wrote on Sep 15, 2009 12:17 PM:
There was ONLY one choice for president. McCain showed his lack-of-judgment and willingness to cave in to the radical neocon/religious loonybins in his party and chose Palin--you remember her--the one with the ethics violation already, and who just QUIT HER POST FOR THE LURE OF MONEY?!?!
It's a relevant question! Look, to be 100% honest, I"m not all that impressed with Obama--he's done some things that I consider just inexplicable and regretful, but attribute it to a bit of naivete and a too-optimistic reading of the scum on Capitol Hill. He's also not moved quick enough on some of his promises, but that could be because of the need to not use a club and further divide DC along partisan lines.
At least he's trying to play it fair. He hasn't been anywhere NEAR as autocratic and bullying as Bush, and for that I give him lots of credit.
B*tch all you want, but the depression that YOUR SIDE helped create is, from all accounts, nearly over. Don't get mugged by the facts Chris. And let me spare you the need to put your own spin on it; I listen to the news too. "
movedsouth wrote on Sep 15, 2009 8:47 AM:
chris van note wrote on Sep 15, 2009 8:23 AM:
Grasping at straws are we? "
jlmorgansr wrote on Sep 15, 2009 7:01 AM:
Why would our President surround himself with radicals? Communists, and members of the weathermen? Are their values his values? If not then why are they there to begin with?
In Obama's own words, Medicade and Medicare arebroke, so instead of creating another medical program why won't he fix those that are already in place?
Everything the government touches is broke, social security, broke, the postal service, broke, medicade, broke, medicare, broke, I have criticized former President on his handling of the border and ileagal aliens, I criticized him of being in bed with special interest groups, but so is Obama, why do you think they have lobbiest's (sp) For petes sake, they put number the politicians. Why do you think some of these individuals have been foud guilty of fraud, and illeagal campaign contributations? You call those who listen to Glen Beck an idiot, in my opinion I firmly believe those who refuse to look at his information is an idiot. Glen isn't anti Democratic, nor is pro republican, he is anti party, he wants government to represent the people, something the Constitution was designed to do. You know, a government of the people by the people and for the people, not a government of the president by the president and for the president. That is something for Hugo Chavaz. I was having some fun with you last week, I wanted to see how easy it was to push your button concerning the debate of God, and boy let me tell you Karl, it was easy. But one thing I have found is that you, are a narrow minded man. In my opinion, it is your opinion that only matters, and thats a shame . Maybe you should step up to the plate and run for office. See what people think of the values you treasure. I, for thew life of me cannot understand how we can agree on local issues yet disagree on natonal issues. Spending is spending.How is it amy different if the school board wastes money on turf, or phone systems solar powered hearing aids and who knows what else on the wish list, than the federal government wasteing money on 200 dollar toilet seats, and left handed screw drivers. It all the same to me Karl, waste is waste "
liberal karl wrote on Sep 14, 2009 6:01 PM:
Just once, answer the question. "
chris van note wrote on Sep 14, 2009 4:52 PM:
There is not one blessed thing on this earth that anyone could rationally disagree with this turkey Obama or the rest of his witless drones about that would not get them labelled as “racists.”
I think its time to to take away junior’s race card. "
chris van note wrote on Sep 14, 2009 2:15 PM:
Van Jones: radical, self-avowed communist, 9/11 truther.
Next up in the spotlight should be MARK LLOYD, the FCC “diversity officer” who openly admires Hugo Chavez’s revolution and the way he now controls the media.
Didn't Obammy say he had the "Judgement to Lead"...what a joke. "
owastocat wrote on Sep 14, 2009 1:15 PM:
Ironic that the repub’s claim that they want healthcare reform, did nothing for the last 8 years, and now do everything they can to stop anything Obama wants to accomplish. Obama has his hands full to bring this country back from 8 ruinous years, and all should be working together for the good of the country, not party.
The republican plan of lower taxes, bigger government, and spending more does not work. "
movedsouth wrote on Sep 14, 2009 9:58 AM:
Although I said that I would never respond to your stupid posts, when you continue with your racial accusations, it has to be addressed. Do you feel that you have to respond for budobrubbie?
You people that keep playing the race card are the true racist. Let it go. "
liberal karl wrote on Sep 14, 2009 8:41 AM:
The entire southern contingent of the Republican Party doesn't want Obama to succeed because he's Black. Can't let a Black man make things right after a buncha old White Christian males ruined the country, ya know... "
liberal karl wrote on Sep 14, 2009 8:38 AM:
I listened to this radical wingnut just for the sake of getting more of a perspective on the way up to SU in my girlfriend's car with her, and this fool's "style" can best be described as in the mode of Josef Goebbels. What a radical, irresponsible demagogue.
"ARE WE MICE?".....(long pause)....."OR ARE WE MEN?!" he bellowed on 9/11, alluding to the fact that the "Freedom Towers" were renamed "One World Towers"--I guess he saw some sort of emasculation in that? Doesn't surprise me for a man so obviously without a pair...
Even this loser himself describes himself as an "entertainer"--but he reports the news, so people think that he has some credibility???
God, how I wish sometimes that we could invent a vaccine against the "stupid American" gene. "
movedsouth wrote on Sep 14, 2009 8:34 AM:
movedsouth wrote on Sep 14, 2009 8:33 AM:
" movedsouth wrote on Sep 10, 2009 6:43 PM:
" According to CBS, the insurance industry ranks 86th in profits at 3.3%. "
You are really gulliblem McFly, "
Please explain---- "
movedsouth wrote on Sep 14, 2009 8:31 AM:
jlmorgansr wrote on Sep 13, 2009 11:58 PM:
movedsouth wrote on Sep 13, 2009 6:25 PM:
If it was because of Beck, I applaud him. I guess the best way to support someone is to criticize someone else. "
movedsouth wrote on Sep 13, 2009 6:05 PM:
Don't you think that, at some point, the left and right should be able to agree on what is a fact and what isn't? "
Absolutely on facts. But, I don't know if you are referring to anything specific. I don't think crap like Bush being responsible for 9/11, Obama not being born in the States, or chemtrails are fact. "
movedsouth wrote on Sep 13, 2009 5:47 PM:
budobrubbie wrote on Sep 13, 2009 4:35 PM:
budobrubbie wrote on Sep 13, 2009 4:26 PM:
Don't you think that, at some point, the left and right should be able to agree on what is a fact and what isn't? "
movedsouth wrote on Sep 13, 2009 4:12 PM:
I guarantee you it was not a week as I took quick action."
Yeah, you went to the editor ONCE IT GOT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD THAT YOU WERE WRONG. There was NO option but to apologize. "
dianabug wrote on Sep 13, 2009 3:47 PM:
There must have been something amiss in his words for the White House to now bury him from sight simply because Glenn exposed who he really is.
But I do agree that now we should watch him even closer than before as he will be much more dangerous to our freedom. "
movedsouth wrote on Sep 13, 2009 3:07 PM:
As for Jones, did you not see how fast the administration distanced themselves from his beliefs? Maybe MSNBC didn't report on that. Open up your mind and consider different views. "
movedsouth wrote on Sep 13, 2009 3:00 PM:
As with the insurance info, your stupid remark is something that you won't answer to.
"You are really gulliblem McFly,"
You can't even explain that dumb remark!
If ANYONE believes that you went to the editor and you have that info, I have a bridge I would like to sell them. You are a wind bag and offer no proof to dispute posts. Show proof about the length of dispute!
. "
budobrubbie wrote on Sep 13, 2009 2:47 PM:
And, of course the conservatives have an issue with race. The rich white men who have run the country into the ground for the last eight years just cannot reconcile the fact that their party lost a national election to a smart black man. Conservative opposition to President Obama in elite political and media circles turned from the usual disgruntled post-election partisan bickering into vile, anti-American and racist rhetoric. "
AJ wrote on Sep 13, 2009 2:04 PM:
The Fox attack network is pretty adept at drumming up bulls_hit that their followers, who know little about facts and even less about logic, will buy into. Now we have scores of these automotons living in some parallel universe that is hard to fathom.
Regarding the Glenn Beck advocacy violent overthrow of the government and personal harm to prominent people as you mentioned, the nutters have no problem with this, but if it were someone on the left promoting this nonsense, they would not hesitate to denounce them and get them fired. They are steeped in hypocrisy.
Goebbels would have been proud of this amazing feat. "
AJ wrote on Sep 13, 2009 1:50 PM:
I went to the editor to get the information removed. It was at that time I found that the link was the problem, and I apologized as well.
I guarantee you it was not a week as I took quick action.
You can't even get your facts straight when you're in the middle of something. "
movedsouth wrote on Sep 13, 2009 1:31 PM:
"Regarding your link I'm not even going to waste my time with some nonsensical extremist right wing fanatical lunatic ravings."
AJ, I post fact, as to insurance 3.3% profits, you say "You are really gulliblem McFly". When questioned on that, you don't respond. FACT AJ, FACT!
"ad hominem attacks" There is NO ONE on this site that is more guilty of that than you, not even liberal karl. "
movedsouth wrote on Sep 13, 2009 12:47 PM:
Van Jones has the right to his own opinion just as everyone has a right to question or disagree with his opinion without being criticized.
"Was it when he was born to be a black" WHY DO PEOPLE HAVE TO MAKE IT A RACE ISSUE, GET OVER IT. Maybe when someone can't defend their position, it's racial. The real racists are the one's that keep bringing it up.
What he called the GOP, everyone has a right to their opinion "
movedsouth wrote on Sep 13, 2009 11:26 AM:
The link provided multiple sites to back up my post, but you get confused with facts.
"The problem was discovered within no more than a day or two, and I even apologized to you."
Yes, you did apologize. Yes, the problem was discovered in a day or two. BUT, it took you about a week to accept the fact that I didn't out you. I would say that I posted at least 20 posts to get you to realize it. I resorted to name calling to get your attention, but to no avail. Your threats to go to the editor were laughable and encouraged by me because I couldn't get through to you. And when people got sick of the exchanges, NL told you to look at the site. That is the truth, without exaggeration.
"hat you would even continue to keep bringing it up just goes to show how you prefer ad hominem attacks over substantial debate."
movedsouth wrote on Sep 13, 2009 2:51 AM:
" movedsouth wrote on Sep 11, 2009 1:26 PM:
" "AJ wrote on Sep 11, 2009 5:09 AM:
" movedsouth wrote on Sep 10, 2009 6:43 PM:
" According to CBS, the insurance industry ranks 86th in profits at 3.3%. "
You are really gulliblem McFly, "
Please explain---- " "
"Pathetic.. "
"But I degress"
Laughable!!!!! "
budobrubbie wrote on Sep 13, 2009 11:11 AM:
AJ wrote on Sep 13, 2009 9:31 AM:
Regarding your link I'm not even going to waste my time with some nonsensical extremist right wing fanatical lunatic ravings.
Regarding the "outing" - your recollection of events is about as pathetic as your comprehension.
That link I provided here when clicked provided details which were unbeknownst to me. I should have known better than to provide that link without checking it out first - I thought it was simply a link to the petition letter I signed, not to any personal details.
As for the "week", as is so true to form for you, you have a knack at exaggeration don't you? The problem was discovered within no more than a day or two, and I even apologized to you. That you would even continue to keep bringing it up just goes to show how you prefer ad hominem attacks over substantial debate.
Pathetic.. "
movedsouth wrote on Sep 13, 2009 3:03 AM:
http://www.dogpile.com/dogpile/ws/results/Web/van%20jones%20communist/1/114/TopNavigation/Relevance/iq=true/zoom=off/_iceUrlFlag=7?_IceUrl=true "
movedsouth wrote on Sep 13, 2009 2:51 AM:
" "AJ wrote on Sep 11, 2009 5:09 AM:
" movedsouth wrote on Sep 10, 2009 6:43 PM:
" According to CBS, the insurance industry ranks 86th in profits at 3.3%. "
You are really gulliblem McFly, "
Please explain---- " "
AJ wrote on Sep 12, 2009 1:07 PM:
" What Jones called Republicans was wrong, but no big deal. Many politicians say things that they should only think. A communist, racist, and 9/11 truther, I don't care to have this type of person in a high level position in government. Even the administration distanced itself from his beliefs. It was more than Beck. "
A communist, a racist, and a 9/11 truther? Wow, you've really loaded your guns with all kinds of pejoratives. I'm really curious about your claims that he is a communist though. Care to back it up with anything senseible? "
movedsouth wrote on Sep 12, 2009 7:41 AM:
liberal karl wrote on Sep 12, 2009 6:26 AM:
I have personally called companies--the latest is "ProFlowers"--to tell them that I will not use their companies or products if they support this anti-American radical subversive in their advertising.
BOYCOTT BECK!!! "