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Tuesday, June 23, 2009 3:48 PM EDT

What's the status of the Market Street Mall project?



If PETA is disgusted with President Obama killing a fly, which I understood flies are one of the biggest carriers of germs -- so I don't know why they're defending them -- then what do they think about Governor Palin having the wolves killed in Alaska?

Auburn is one big pot hole --- so fill it in.

Just took a ride in an '08 Toyota --- what a pile of junk --- rode like a truck. I guess the people that buy this car don't know quality.




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ANGMOM3 wrote on Jul 1, 2009 4:33 PM:

" Farmer's Gal - I would be interested in seeing a picture of your x-rays. I, too, had some hardware placed in my knee 15 years ago - a plate and five screws - which was removed to make way for the replacement parts.

As for all of this knee talk - I would be happy to converse about other topics. Like what is everyone doing for the July 4th weekend?

Happy Independence Day to all, in advance. "

movedsouth wrote on Jul 1, 2009 2:53 PM:

" Obama's approval rating slipping. Now more people strongly oppose his policies than strongly approve of his policies. Maybe he had better watch his spending. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Jul 1, 2009 1:19 PM:

" Because no one has written in about anything more interesting. All this talk prompted me to figure out how to photograph my x-rays and post them to my Facebook space -- always wanted to be able to show the folks I know just how badly I broke that leg and all the erector set pieces of metal that hold it together. Mine are all metal, no plastic, and are expected to last my lifetime. "

cm wrote on Jul 1, 2009 1:14 PM:

" my daughter is trying to figure out how can we -Florida- be the "Sunshine State AND the Lightning Capital" ??? "

cm wrote on Jul 1, 2009 1:11 PM:

" mark, what do you want to talk about? "

The Bone wrote on Jul 1, 2009 12:29 PM:

" Beacuse they can!!! "

mark wrote on Jul 1, 2009 12:01 PM:

" Why are we still talking about knees? "

jeanne541 wrote on Jun 30, 2009 9:06 PM:

" Dr. Norman Lasda of Syr. NY Did the replacement of both my knees.Right 1999 and Left 2000.I am Very Satisfied and Happy with the results. "

FREBUS49 wrote on Jun 30, 2009 9:16 AM:

" Dr Izant did my replacement when I was 50. He believes that if you can't take the pain you should have it replaced.
The replacement should be good for about 15 yrs. Then if the metal is still soundly attached you only need the plastic replaced.They still have to open you up but it is a lot less time in the hospital, and a lot less time for recovery.
Izant is the best around here. He fixes all the other Doctors mistakes. I have sent over 20 people for hips, knees and shoulders, and have hearn nothing but good things about him. He also has an office in Dewitt. "

FS II wrote on Jun 30, 2009 8:31 AM:

" Years ago the Supreme Court ended dicrimination, and now they ended reverese discrimination. Stay in school, study hard and get a higher score on the test for the job or promotion and the highest score will prevail, not the color of skin. When testing is involved for a job or promotion it should not have to have quotas or percentage of whites to other minorities. Everybody has a fair shot at the test or does one group get one test and another group a different test? hope not, if the test is fair, then, there should be no problem. "

ANGMOM3 wrote on Jun 29, 2009 8:56 PM:

" Good luck CM. "

cm wrote on Jun 29, 2009 5:31 PM:

" ANGMOM, I agree about getting different opinions.
since I live in Florida I can't use your DR. but I will look into others in my area. "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 29, 2009 3:11 PM:

" The Bone, tell that to Sotomayor. "

ANGMOM3 wrote on Jun 29, 2009 2:58 PM:

" CM - Having been the most recent recipient of a knee replacement in my circle does not make me an expert, but I do have some words to pass on via my orthopedic doctor.
Replacement kness are now lasting longer than 10 years and the new technology is right here within me. I vowed to be proactive, and it actually hasn't been as difficult as I thought.

I do recommend Dr.Izant of SOS. Please look into a second opinion, and keep us posted. "

The Bone wrote on Jun 29, 2009 2:50 PM:

" The color of ones skin does not make him or her any smarter or dumber than the next person.For a promotion or entry level it should be left up to the scores. "

cm wrote on Jun 29, 2009 11:57 AM:

" brew, I know exactly what you feel with 'knee giving out' mine have done that since I injured them in '94, I have had 2 knee surguries, and still the same!
I also have the knees that 'lock up'
as painfull as that is, I would take lock up over give out any day!
you never know when give out knees are going to happen!

I have been told I am TOO YOUNG for knee replacements at 47..I argue this all the time..I want to walk SECURELY and out of pain NOW!
But their reason is: on knee replacements, there is a particular part (piece of plastic) they use that only lasts 5-7 years which would require new surgeries every 5-7 yrs and mine being BOTH knees, I would be laid up/therapy for a year after.

I say 5-7 yrs with no pain sounds great!
and just maybe in 7 yrs they will have made a better piece of plastic that will last longer!??? "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 29, 2009 10:55 AM:

" EPA suppresses information on global warming to get climate bill passed. It's ALL a crock.


http://cei.org/cei_files/fm/active/0/Endangerment%20Comments%206-23-09.pdf "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 29, 2009 10:10 AM:

" Supreme Court rules in favor of white firefighters. THEY GOT IT RIGHT! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Jun 29, 2009 6:08 AM:

" I'm not a knee expert (despite having 14 pieces of metal holding mine together) -- but what you describe does sound like more of a muscle or ligament problem than bones -- but by all means, have it checked by a specialist if you can.

That's what you call Black Humor, brew -- and typical in America, regardless of the politician -- the corporations call the tunes. Once in a while The People squawk enough that they feel they have to toss us a little bone, but they'll stick us good first, making sure the corps get more than a bone before they have to give up any concessions.

Overturn Santa Clara vs Southern Pacific and you take away their bite -- and the world would be a very different place. "

ANGMOM3 wrote on Jun 28, 2009 10:47 PM:

" Hi Brew.
I have a genetic orthopedic disorder and have had five knees surgeries prior to this - replacement being "the big one."
The symptoms leading to the operation were pain ranging from dull to severe, weakness, grinding and instability, and also arthritis.
I recommend Dr. Timothy Izant of SOS in Liverpool. He is an excellent surgeon and a really nice guy. He operated on two of my friends,which is how I came to seek his advice. I think he may be able to help you.

Give the office a call for an evaluation and keep me posted on how you make out. Good luck. "

brew1234 wrote on Jun 28, 2009 9:43 PM:

" ANGMOM3, what problems did you have with your knees that lead to replacement? I have been having problems with my knee just giving out. When it happens I have to grab on for life or go down. They have been sending me to physical therapy but it seems to do no good. All the orthopedist says is he sees no problem with my knee. The PCP keeps trying this and that but they seem to have no clue. I have avoided doctors for 50 years and wish I didn't need them now. "

brew1234 wrote on Jun 28, 2009 9:35 PM:

" FG, did you see the political cartoon about banks a couple of months ago. Obama had the major credit card lenders around a conference table and they are dressed as pirates and they are all sweating profusely. He says, do you want me to give the order to the seabees? Thought you would enjoy that. Why did Obama pass all these laws to straighten out CC abuses and he gave them a year to kick our butts before the laws become effective? He is doing a lot of things good, but some things are just not right. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Jun 28, 2009 4:59 PM:

" Here's to a speedy and healthy recovery, ANGMOM! You go girl, keep up that PT, it will make all the difference!

Here I sit, with at least 795 credit score and my last card just sent a note - arrived yesterday -- saying starting on 1 July they are jacking my rate to 18.99% (they had already upped it to 8.99% then 10.99% in the past couple months. Well, I had it with those bozos, so I took up the offer from another company -- 2.99% for 12 months -- I only have 13 months to pay it off. If I can make 1-2 extra big payments, I'll be out from under the "illigitimi" forever!!!

It's really not right to try to make up their losses on the shoulders of those who have always paid on time and extra and been exemplary customers. I was only with Citizen's because Capital One had done the same thing 2 years ago. Now I'm with Chase (why do they all start with "C?") -- and hope it will be my last one.

4 mos on the car, 10 months on the student loan, 12-13 on the credit card and then I am relatively FREE! "

cm wrote on Jun 28, 2009 2:25 PM:

" ANGMOM3, wishing you well as soon as possible!
just stick to the therapy and in about 3 months you will be a whole new person. "

ANGMOM3 wrote on Jun 28, 2009 1:50 PM:

" Hi everyone.

I have returned home after the knee replacement surgery and am doing fine. There were some complications, which will make the recovery time longer, but the physical therapy is progressing quite well. Also, I am lucky to have all the support of so many family memebers and friends, for which I am grateful.

I hope all of you are enjoying yourselves. "

cm wrote on Jun 28, 2009 12:45 PM:

" I think the NOT reading bills, and hiding 'PORKS' in them, days need to stop!
we cannot afford such wasteful spending in our government when they ask US to cut back, be wiser, and be patient!

THEY need to be fired! I sure hope voters are keeping a list right now, of these actions, and whos doing the actions, so come voting time--just say NO! "

cm wrote on Jun 28, 2009 12:41 PM:

" another one, Billy Mays the TV promo man died this AM..

he was on the airline flight yesterday that had a blown front tire.

in the terminal(taped & on TV) he stated many upper bins popped open and items from them hit him in the head.
his wife went to wake him this morning and he was unresponsive.

...possibly a head injury? "

jssk61806 wrote on Jun 28, 2009 12:43 AM:

" I would like to say *CONGRATULATIONS* to all of the local graduates. My daughter is from JE, and she & her class did a wonderful job today...as I am sure all of the other kids from the other schools did, as well. Great job, guys ! "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 27, 2009 7:38 PM:

" Thanks, your posts are always respectful, I slip occasionally. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Jun 27, 2009 6:37 PM:

" It is not necessary to always agree, but a little respect goes a long way -- you have mine and thanks, movedsouth. "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 27, 2009 5:28 PM:

" FG, I remember, you've always said that. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Jun 27, 2009 4:26 PM:

" No argument, movedsouth -- and if you read back through my comments over time, you'll see that although I voted for Obama, I have never been among the blind faithful and said from the beginning that my vote was only one for the lesser of two evils. I stand by that today. "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 27, 2009 2:45 PM:

" I know it's not something new, but with the way the economy is now, this massive spending is crazy. Hundreds of billions used to be a lot, now trillions don't seem to be a big thing. We will borrow 50 cents for every $1 we spend, this is insane. If anyone believes that this will not result in large tax increases for everyone, I have a bridge I would like to sell you. This crap is far beyond blaming Bush. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Jun 27, 2009 2:13 PM:

" This sort of thing where they vote on bills unread is common and has gone on for years and years. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the issue come up in Mr Smith Goes to Washington, a Jimmy Stewart movie with Claude Rains from the 40s? It's disgusting, it's wrong, it's unethical, it's scary -- but it is not something new nor anything you can lay at the feet of any one party. "

cm wrote on Jun 27, 2009 12:13 PM:

" I agree movedsouth!
they seem to be passing it because 'Obama says'...which isn't what the majority of 'American public' wants!

you are so right, this IS NOT the time to put more people out of work. even if it does offer a few extra jobs in the 'energy industry' the majority of job losses will certainly be greater!

IF you cannot get your REP to do what the majority of voters want, then what good is he/she in office?? "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 27, 2009 10:38 AM:

" It was 300 pages of amendments and he didn't get very far, I don't know why. But I just don't understand how they can pass this nonsense now. It will move companies overseas, raise taxes, and cost jobs. Now is not the time, maybe the economy is good now. The House phones were so overloaded that they shut down, these idiots just don't care. "

cm wrote on Jun 27, 2009 10:07 AM:

" movedsouth, I too was shocked they didn't even read the bill..they are passing something costing trillions of dollars without even knowing what's in it!!!!!
THEN most of them recieved emails/faxes/phone calls NOT TO AGREE by the people that voted for them, and they STILL IGNORED the voters!!!

I was laughing when the one BRAVE soul started reading it outload! He was only on page 13 when I was channel surfing.
did he read it all???? 3000 pages??
my guess is he got cut off,since not too long after, it scrolled, they passed the bill.

it just further proves, WE THE PEOPLE, means nothing anymore. "

cm wrote on Jun 27, 2009 9:58 AM:

" auburnnoclass, oh I know about moving costs..I dont know your situation, BUT I will say we have helped many 'relocate' while they stayed at our house free for months/years on end!

we have gotten the shaft many times, but we still help those in need.

do you have a family member or a good friend that lives where you'd like to live and maybe they can help?

I can understand your frustration at the hospital,
THEY do have to treat the EMERGENCY'S first, what is an emergency to them is very different as to what is an emergency to us!

where I live, I would say is better than Auburn, especially when it comes to medical care and VET care for your pet.
There are many walk-in clinics that are income based, and have their own Xray machines, etc.
There are several that only open after hours when your DR.'s office is closed.
They are equipped to handle anything from a common cold to a broken arm!

recently the closest Hospital revamped their emergency room, including staff, and how they 'number' emergency cases. This has cut down the long waiting times almost in half!
My last trip there in March, I waited 30 min.
Maybe EVERYONE could write in to the hospital and complain OR get the media involved.
(thats what happened with ours)
No one likes BAD publicity!

The same with our VET service, there is always a place to take your animal at any hour!! They are not income based but they are open! "

auburnnoclass wrote on Jun 26, 2009 10:45 PM:

" cm. you have no idea how bad i want to move but you know what that all so takes money nothing comes for free. but when nothing is really going on in a hospital it should not take all day just to see a person from 9 am till 5 pm no and that`s what i had to do and i was there for health reasons so just sitting there was bad enough why make me wait that long. so it was`int just my husband it was all so me at times. ben there done that to many times. "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 26, 2009 8:27 PM:

" Looks like we have Air Force One and Michelle One. Looked this up after getting an E-Mail. Could not find on Snopes, but with this link, there is a link to London Times. Interesting. Obama criticized the auto industry for flying in on private jets, what do you think Michelle's shopping trip cost. Funny this wasn't covered by the news.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2268455/posts "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 26, 2009 7:34 PM:

" Hold on to your wallets, the House passed the bill. "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 26, 2009 6:23 PM:

" Good news, they have the bill to read. They are starting to read the 300 page amendment now on the House floor, that should take a while. "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 26, 2009 6:13 PM:

" Well they're at it again, the House is going to vote on the climate bill without reading it. Is this nuts? Is this what you Democrats want? Tax and spend. Why read it, Barry wants it. I don't care what anyone says, to try and pass a bill without reading it is STUPID! Let's see if his transparency shows up online for 5 days before he signs it. Any bets? 1 out of 11 bills signed has showed up online, good job Barry. "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 26, 2009 1:49 PM:

" Bobbo, you're exactly right, but the problem is that better half the country supported Obama and they will not speak against him. It was Bush's fault. But the good news is that no one making less than $250,000, as a couple, will pay more in taxes. Not one dime! I can see why the Brooklyn Bridge was sold so many times. Tax increases from that will be unbearable. "

cm wrote on Jun 26, 2009 12:48 PM:

" auburn~no~class, my personal opinion is: if you dislike the town so much why not move?
14yrs ago after hubby was getting out of the Navy, we had a choice to make where we wanted to live.. having 3 kids under the age of 11 we decided Florida, instead of back HOME to Auburn, our main reason was our kids.
After visiting numerous times, we knew there was no long standing jobs, we knew the school system had gone abit downhill, we knew city officials didnt seem to care about cleaning up, the taxes were very high, and THEN the drug issue was growing industry.

NOT wanting our kids to have that future, we picked a new home.
It was a very hard choice when ALL of our family is there in Auburn.

I still love visiting, and eating at my FAV places, and taking the kids to our old hangouts. There are still some GOOD things there, and some good people that do care.
Just not enough for my family when I had to make a life changing decision!

I don't regret my decision, my kids love it here, but they also love to come there and play in the snow! "

Bobbo wrote on Jun 26, 2009 11:16 AM:

" I hope everyone is as angry as i am over the bill being voted on today in the House. The largest tax increase in history! Its a 1 TRILLION dollar tax on energy that will cripple US industry and affect every one of us with increased energy costs and job loss. Call your US House rep in your district ASAP! They vote at 3pm. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Jun 26, 2009 10:21 AM:

" I don't doubt it, cm -- I saw the same kind of thing when I was working for the bankruptcy lawyer. He was just starting to branch out into Social Security advocacy. Some of the people he was working for (for no fee -- the deal was he would get a percentage of the back-owed money if they won, and would take no fee if they lost) were in really rough shape and had been getting the run-around for years -- all the while suffering and trying to live on nothing while the government hoped they'd just go away or die or something. You would not believe the paperwork I had to prep, running around to copy stuff out of their files at an office in Geneva, getting the same info from the same doctors over and over because the system had let it all sit too long until the info was no longer recent enough, ye gods -- and all the while these poor folks in pain with no way they could work to earn a living. Some tried, and sometimes failed, in tears on the phone with me, or in person sometimes -- they'd try to work because they had nothing, but the pain or other health problem would be too much and they really couldn't work.

The whole of the system does not work, and any piecemeal band-aid approach which focuses only on one portion of the system is not going to be successful in fixing it. It needs a holistic, systemic approach.

Personally, I'd start at the very beginning and ask the Supreme Court to reverse that grotesque misinterpretation of the Constitution from 1885, then go from there. "

auburn~no~class wrote on Jun 26, 2009 8:51 AM:

" i could tell you people a lot about whats wrung with auburn i been living here for 14 years and with all the`s people running the show doing as they please you got to wonder. they say do something about it and stop b**ching about it well there`s one problem with that the people that run the city don`t care if they did it would`int be ran like it is now. and for auburn hospital they suck to but you have to have the money in hand or in the bank to get taken care of the right way. not just pop some med`s in to the person then send them on there way like they did to my friend but when i went in there to be looked at it was ok hold on will do this and do that only cause i have medacade i was in there most the day so they could suck the money right out of that card i have yea were all good here in auburn money talks b.s walks. "

daydreamer wrote on Jun 26, 2009 5:55 AM:

" And...even though employers pay dearly for required workers comp. insurance to cover their employee's, the injured employee is required to pay back a percentage to workers comp? Double dipping or what? Listen and take to heart FG's factual opinion about corporations, or, are you the man in the gray flannel suit? "

cm wrote on Jun 25, 2009 9:15 PM:

" FG, not recognizing illness is from Dr's and making the problem linger is just as bad as workers comp.
anyone's that's been on Comp. knows the hassles for getting seen, acknowledged, and treated is nightmare!

Workers Comp. has learned that if they wait long enough the patient will cave and settle for a lesser amount just to be rid of them!
especially since the 'hold-ups' make the patient suffer more emotionally, ruins their family life, and usually financially destroys them!
very few Comp. patients hold on and get their diagnosis correct!

I have been battling with Comp for 5 yr now, my last court date, April 2008, I told them they could offer me a million dollars and I would still refuse until I know what is causing my troubles.
I have no intention of letting THEM off the hook for something that wasn't my fault!
as I have stated before, no insurance company will cover me for these injuries, I am not going to cave to Comp.
I demand to know what it is, and what my long term effects will be!
'whatever' doesn't show on a CAT scans/ MRI's/ or all tests seem normal doesn't means I am not suffering!

yesterday I was happy the eye Dr. said my retina/cornea were fine, he believes I have optical migraines, my vision issues are coming from the brain.
Finally a doctor that gave me real news other than your fine..next patient!

well then I looked that all up, that diagnosis is not so great! That is lack of blood flow to the brain.
Funny (not really) BUT shortly after my neck surgery, I was still complaining of the same issues as I was prior to the surgery,added I had an ischemic pinky finger, which revealed a sub-clavian blockage that was sending the blood back to the brain.
Comp. of course is not taking fault for that issue, the stent placement with no insurance has me in debt for 40 grand!

that April, WE won several Dr. referrals, the eye Dr. being one of them..which Comp. JUST scheduled, and gave me about 18 hrs notice of the appointment..
I am sure they were most likely hoping 'I couldn't make it' -- justifying their upcoming court date on their LACK of making appointments that were legally ordered a year ago!

Twice the judge slapped Comp.'s hand, this 3rd time I hope he fines them with the maximal amount allowed! "

nature lover wrote on Jun 25, 2009 5:55 PM:

" Being a sci fi lover, I firmly beleive in fringe science and that MANY things in this world have already been discovered...I chuckle to think computers were started in the late 40's...it makes one wonder... "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Jun 25, 2009 4:17 PM:

" Agreed that the government has allowed not only the insurance industry, but EVERY industry way too free rein to pursue profit without behaving in a responsible manner -- not fiscally, economically, environmentally or socially.

If the Supreme Court, heavily under the influence of the Railroads, which were then the most powerful industry in the country in 1885, had not decided to grossly and obscenely misinterpret the Constitution, completely in contradiction of the intentions of the Founding Father, to grant the same Constitutional rights to corporations as to natural human persons, none of this would be at issue. And if a century-plus of precedence law had not decided cases overwhelmingly to mis-use the Constitution to beat natural human persons over the head in favor of corporations' rights, giving the latter more weight than the rights of natural human persons, likewise.

For now, it has resulted in the Congress being utterly beholden to corporate and other special interests, not to the best interests of the people whom they are supposed to serve. "The best Congress money can buy" is no joke, but rather the reality in which we live.

No matter how good a politician's plans may sound before s/he gets into office, that person has to deal with the reality that the power does not reside in the government anymore, but in the boardrooms of our largest industries. It certainly does not lie with "We, the People."

I don't have a magical answer. I don't like it that so many industries have been allowed to run rampant over our rights, destroying the environment and the economy in their selfish, greedy pursuit of individual profit, but I also would not want to live in a totalitarian state where the government controlled everything, including industry -- and not much use in a country where the government is controlled by the industry and we'd be right back where we started.

For every knotty problem that comes up to be considered, I find I have no answers. None of the solutions look viable, all of the options look as bad or worse than what we have and I get very discouraged. It's very difficult to be optimistic about such a situation without being as naive as Pollyanna, but I don't like feeling so pessimistic either.

My point about the health condition is that it takes too long for a condition to be recognized by the industry because they are not at the core interested in helping people be healthier, but are first and foremost into profits -- and so there is slow-to-little movement to help the many people who suffer from conditions from which the pharmaceutical industry can't turn a profit. Insurance does cover all kinds of incurable diseases, so it isn't a matter of profits for them, but for the pharmaceuticals, for surgeons and for researchers -- is there no cure for cancer because they haven't found it, or is it because billions of research dollars would dry up if they found the final answer? The situation prompts such cynicism, whether it is ultimately warranted or not. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Jun 25, 2009 4:00 PM:

" It shouldn't be like that, daydreamer -- it makes me so mad. As with you, I was told for years "Eat less and exercise more" -- as if my problems were all my own fault, just laziness and gluttony -- the whole while I was incredibly emotionally fragile, as well as strictly disciplined and diligent in terms of seeking and following carefully laid-out plans from a nutritionist and personal trainer. When the doctors couldn't easily and readily figure out the cause, they assumed it was all my own doing, laying the blame for my miserable condition on me and refusing to help. There is A LOT wrong with the medical industry. "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 25, 2009 1:40 PM:

" Good one rd, he's blamed for EVERYTHING else. "

rd wrote on Jun 25, 2009 12:25 PM:

" Why is Sarah Palin so mean that she has all those sweet woofies killed in Alaska? Answer: George Bush made her do it. "

nature lover wrote on Jun 25, 2009 12:02 PM:

" The pharmaceutical industry has been allowed to run rampant by the government IMO. People elected to look out for our best interests decided their coffers were more important to maintain that upper crust lifestyle. Look at NYS senators or a certain SC governor to c how juvenile and selfish they are.

The insurance industry has as much right as any other compamy/business to make a profit. To wish that all medical treatments available today by any licensed physician be covered, including "alternate treatments" aka as experimental doesnt make common sense whatsoever. In addition alt/experimental is deemed so by the government. Buffet vs a la carte makes sense financially for coverage and aid in quality patient healthcare. Yes, insurance conpanies aid in your health by keeping physicians in line to name one item. To use an analogy: a person walks into a car dealership w/a used toyota budget but feels they are just as entitled to that leather seated luxury car. Different levels of medical care require different levels of qualified insurance people to correctly adjudicate those claims. Thus the different cost levels.

My initial opening of this health care reform debate wasnt whom to place the blame on. clearly we will need something to be done. But not now - we cant afford it. The Obama administration needs to focus on getting people to work 1st and foremost. Talking 3 trillion for HCR takes away from the real issue at hand.

Poor Farrah...living her last hours...so sad... "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 25, 2009 11:13 AM:

" Just think of what health CARE would be like if Obama gets his plan. He would not say, that if his family got sick, that he would stick to the medical care under his plan. "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 25, 2009 9:42 AM:

" Is that what a liberal is? "

daydreamer wrote on Jun 25, 2009 9:17 AM:

" I was told for 3 year's that my medical problems were all in my head, until undeniable physical proof surfaced. "

daydreamer wrote on Jun 25, 2009 9:15 AM:

" I see that another conservative christian governor got busted by his liberal pe*is. "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 25, 2009 7:41 AM:

" What I posted WAS from the Boston Globe, you can accuse them of playing loose with the facts, not me.

I find that a single person making 15K-20K AGI/yr would pay $35/mo. Over 40K would be $300/mo. As age increases, cost rises quite a bit, I can understand why people choose to pay a $1,000 fine rather than have insurance. Maybe it's not a fine, just an extra $1,000 in taxes, not sure what it's called. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Jun 25, 2009 5:07 AM:

" I put blame with all those industries -- but perhaps none more than the pharmaceuticals. I realize that it is a negotiation between the employer and the insurance company as to what gets covered, but the insurer can (and does) increase the cost the more things are covered which drives the price higher than the employer can go, and they have to let things be cut and not covered. Additionally, my conversations with 2 different insurance companies (Ithaca College changed providers a couple years ago) dug up the fact that they have things they simply will not cover -- they don't go on the table for negotiation. There were all these info sheets to which they directed me, outlining options of what they would cover, and some things are glaringly left out -- like most anything for which there is no pharmaceutical or surgical treatment, but only so-called "alternative" treatments.

The only treatment with which I have had even minor success for treating non-Addison's hypoadrenia was a holistic guy doing a combo of therapy and bioresonance -- it wouldn't have mattered what his treatment, neither of my insurance companies even recognize the existence of my condition.

So, yes, I blame the insurance industry, but not alone -- the influence of the pharmaceutical industry is readily apparent as a driving force.

And it took me 5 years and literally dozens of health care providers before I found a doctor willing to keep testing until we found and confirmed a diagnosis, so I would also include the medical industry as part of the problem.

There's plenty of blame to spread around -- the thing is -- if they don't ALL step up to the plate to contribute to a REAL solution, it's all just shifting deck chairs on the Titanic. "

brew1234 wrote on Jun 24, 2009 11:02 PM:

" You are playing with the edge of qualifying for benefits. The cost of the premium for the single person you mentioned is no more than $107 a month and the most they would pay in out of pocket expenses per year is $1500. Either you or the Boston Globe is playing loose with the facts. When the cost of the plan went up the governor asked hospitals and pharmacy corps to kick in more to help and they responded because they are making more profits with the system. Also a tax increase on cigarettes was dedicated to the system to help costs. What better than to apply cigarette tax to health care. As far as the remaining uncovered persons you can't hold their hands and make them fill out an application. They will pay anyways with a state tax penalty for not being insured. Last if someone has insurance through work then they should get it from work. If the price is unaffordable they can join the state system. "

auburn~no~class wrote on Jun 24, 2009 7:44 PM:

" big deal Obama killed a fly i do it every day and ill keep on killing them till there is no more in my house "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 24, 2009 7:03 PM:

" Maybe Obama could look at the MA health system. This is from the Boston Globe.


"MASSACHUSETTS HAS been lauded for its healthcare reform, but the program is a failure. Created solely to achieve universal insurance coverage, the plan does not even begin to address the other essential components of a successful healthcare system.

What would such a system provide? The prestigious Institute of Medicine, part of the National Academy of Sciences, has defined five criteria for healthcare reform. Coverage should be: universal, not tied to a job, affordable for individuals and families, affordable for society, and it should provide access to high-quality care for everyone.

The state's plan flunks on all counts.

First, it has not achieved universal healthcare, although the reform has been a boon to the private insurance industry. The state has more than 200,000 without coverage, and the count can only go up with rising unemployment.

Second, the reform does not address the problem of insurance being connected to jobs. For individuals, this means their insurance is not continuous if they change or lose jobs. For employers, especially small businesses, health insurance is an expense they can ill afford.

Third, the program is not affordable for many individuals and families. For middle-income people not qualifying for state-subsidized health insurance, costs are too high for even skimpy coverage. For an individual earning $31,213, the cheapest plan can cost $9,872 in premiums and out-of-pocket payments. Low-income residents, previously eligible for free care, have insurance policies requiring unaffordable copayments for office visits and medications.

Fourth, the costs of the reform for the state have been formidable. Spending for the Commonwealth Care subsidized program has doubled, from $630 million in 2007 to an estimated $1.3 billion for 2009, which is not sustainable.

Fifth, reform does not assure access to care. High-deductible plans that have additional out-of-pocket expenses can result in many people not using their insurance when they are sick. In my practice of child and adolescent psychiatry, a parent told me last week that she had a decrease in her job hours, could not afford the $30 copayment for treatment sessions for her adolescent, and decided to meet much less frequently."


But, maybe they're wrong. "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 24, 2009 6:32 PM:

" Federal law states that an emergency must treat anyone, for an emergency, regardless if they have insurance or not. They are stabilized and treated. Follow up and continued care is at their expense.

Boston Globe on emergency room care.

"It is the only medical care to which Americans have a legal right," said Kellerman, adding that what constitutes an emergency is different to a doctor than to a desperate patient. Last week, he treated a woman who arrived in an emergency room after running out of some crucial medication and being turned away by four clinics."


I think it's more than just being stabilized and sent home. "

brew1234 wrote on Jun 24, 2009 5:32 PM:

" MS, if you go to the emergency room for care they will only stabilize you, send you home and tell you to see a doctor at your expense.
CM, by requiring everyone to get health insurance those not insured include many healthy people that cost insurance companies very little. However in a universal system they could wait until they are sick to join the system and pay few premiums and cost the system a lot. Under the system in MA that many people who live out of state complain about about, all I know is I pay $39 a month and for recent surgery and theraphy on my knees I have paid just a couple of hundred dollars in co pays. What is wrong with that? And that plan was hatched by a republican, Mitt Romney. "

Conservative wrote on Jun 24, 2009 5:00 PM:

" "Barack with senior(s)

John McCain’s health care plan … first we learned he’s going to tax health care benefits to pay for part of it.

Now the Wall Street Journal reports John McCain would pay for the rest of his health care plan "with major reductions to Medicare and Medicaid."

Eight hundred and eighty-two billion from Medicare alone.

"Requiring cuts in benefits, eligibility, or both."

John McCain … Taxing Health Benefits … Cutting

Medicare. We Can’t Afford John McCain.

I’m Barack Obama and I approved this message."





Although this was false while Obama was campaigning, this is what he wants to do now.


WE CAN'T AFFORD BARACK OBAMA "

nature lover wrote on Jun 24, 2009 4:07 PM:

" nice bantor people...

cm I disagree w/your post "insurance is such BS. These companies will find any loophole to NOT cover or NOT pay".

that isnt true at least based on the medical side. dont lump all insurance as one big monster. So based on employer driven plans, its the boss who negotiates what they want to cover & with whom. Insurance companies compete for business heavily which keeps costs down. Many buy smaller local companies to streamline for cost savings in areas also. In addition, there are way too many state and federal regulations out there. So to imply the image of an insurance company sitting in a boardroom smoking cigars hee heeing on what poor slob they should or shouldnt cover is so incorrect. most claims are auto adjuicated by programs set up by gov't entities.

I find that many want to slam this whole mess on insurance companies. But what about physicians and conglomerate lab/hospital facilities that mass bill when no service was rendered? Many insurance companies hire LOTS of doctors and RN's as "gate keepers" to try to keep the honesty out there. And my initial beef that started the health care reform debate earlier - free trade. We have to bring jobs back home. period. "

cm wrote on Jun 24, 2009 3:55 PM:

" FREBUS49,
you also just gave me a really good idea:
since some of my auto insurance is allocated for health insurance, the next time one of MY pre-exisiting conditions acts up I will hop in my car and blame them!

lol..... "

cm wrote on Jun 24, 2009 3:50 PM:

" FREBUS49, I don't agree the prices would come down.
mostly because insurance companies,etc all now have champagne taste in their mouth..after that there is no reason to drink beer!

I agree that hospitals especially the southern states are being hit hard with non-insured aka.= illegals medical costs being the majority.
I just watched on public television state officials disputes on that very subject a few weeks ago.

my older kids are in their 20's, 2 out of 3 have insurance. The 3rd doesnt because he's self-employed and it's too costly.
my insured son just had all wisdom teeth pulled today--after insurance he paid 1700.00 upfront or suffer!
he had to get a bank loan.

another thing about taxes,once the government starts taking it, even for a particular reason, even stating for a certain amount of time, they NEVER stop it. "

cm wrote on Jun 24, 2009 3:33 PM:

" excnyer, oh so true! pre-existing issues are another story to add to the woes of the uninsured.
I have a work. comp injury: head, neck, all of my back.
I am a pre-existing nightmare!

Then my legs would be out since I had 2 knee surgeries in 94 & 96.

So basically my arms and insides(kidneys,lungs,etc) would be covered! leaving out my heart since I had a stent put in... lol

on the not funny side, insurance is such BS. These companies will find any loophole to NOT cover or NOT pay.

like FG, I agree I am not sure of what the answer is either, something has to be done, and done in a faster time frame too! "

FREBUS49 wrote on Jun 24, 2009 3:12 PM:

" If all people had health insurance the price would go down.You currently have medicare, medicade, private insurance, group insurance and a bunch of programs for kids.
A part of your auto insurance is allocated for health inaurance, a portion of your workers compensation is allocatrs for health insurance.
Did you know that the state charges people that have heakth insurance $39.00 per month for the people that don'T have the coverage? The hospitals also pay a tax for the uninsured.
If you had one program that covered all then the costs would come down.
The young do not have insurance because they feel they don't need it. If you put them into the system then it would help even out the costs for the older people.
If all the people had insurance then the emergency rooms would be reating emergency cases instead of the common cold.In this state the way the uninsured get treated is in the emergency room, because the hospitals can't turn them away. The cost of this is very high and not reimbursed to the hospital. So instead of eating the costs, they charge people with insurance more to make up some of the loss. "

auburn~no~class wrote on Jun 24, 2009 3:01 PM:

" well lets see what would karl say about people with a disability they can do better if they put there mind to it and get of ss there`s no reason for them to be on it!!!! me i have a disability had it sins i was born nothing`s changed im still slow but i sure is hell ant stupid so the way i see it you treat people in here just like you would out in the real world and some in here do just that!!!. that`s what makes me sick. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Jun 24, 2009 2:42 PM:

" Farmer Guy has no insurance -- can't afford the high rates for self-employed small farmers. My ex had no health insurance the entire time we were married -- we were well under the poverty limit pretty much the whole time. My insurance was paid through my work, the kids could get Child Health Plus, but there was nothing for a self-employed adult male who didn't make enough to pay for the add-on to my insurance, much less for independent insurance. He just went without health care for 15-20 years. In his last couple years in the area, without my income, he qualified for some program and had some minimal coverage -- and thank goodness, because in the first year, he had kidney failure and was in the hospital a week. He would have been sunk without assistance.

Every time I turn around there are hard-working under-employed people who have no health insurance, and people who do have insurance whose insurance companies won't cover their conditions who also don't get the health care they need.

I am totally at sea about the various plans and have no idea which one might work. It's like the economic plans -- NONE of them sound good, including doing nothing -- that doesn't sound like a good idea either. What a mess we've made for ourselves, on just about every front. Last days of the Roman Empire, anyone? "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 24, 2009 2:09 PM:

" Maybe on Obama's infomercial tonight, someone will ask for a breakdown of the uninsured. Lots a luck! "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 24, 2009 1:22 PM:

" cm,I have found similar figures on other sites, but this one lists myths of the health care system. Or supposedly, if I find to the contrary, I will post. "

excnyer wrote on Jun 24, 2009 12:56 PM:

" My husband is on COBRA until 6/30. Since he retired he has been in the hospital 3 different times, with 2 of those times he had to be air-lifted to a major hospital. So, now he has pre-existing conditions. We are "paper Floridians" and will have B/C-B/S through a Florida policy that will cost him (a single policy) almost $900 a month. He will have this policy until he goes on Medicare in 18 months. We cannot afford NOT to have insurance. His last hospitalization was $150,000 for the hospital alone! "

cm wrote on Jun 24, 2009 12:36 PM:

" movedsouth, I dont know whether to agree or disagree with the numbers.

I can say I don't have health insurance because I cannot afford 200.00 per week thru hubbys employer for just him and I.
especially when there are weeks with no work.
on out-of-town work for him --yes it's affordable then, maybe if they had a floating scale it would help?
when no work weeks are involved, there's cobra-BUT cobra is even higher?!
why is that?

in FL for kids we have a higher scale than Medicade for HEALTHY KIDS insurance, which is for all school age children.
my daughter is on that. at times we pay 15.00 a month, other times we've paid 130.00 a month, again all based on income.
on the high end total we would be paying 930.00 a month for 3 people, not counting co-pays, and his insurance was 80/20--so another 20% added, PLUS the tests or exams insurance doesn't cover!

it's simply unaffordable!

we make sure our daughter keeps coverage, if needed he could go to the VA, it's ME that's left on a
wing & prayer!!

then add a divorce, he cut off my insurance, so I am realy *^%#*#... "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 24, 2009 11:18 AM:

" 46 Million people without insurance. The question is who are they and why don't they have insurance? Here is part of the reason we do not need this health reform.


"Myth: “About 46 mn Americans lack access to health insurance.”

There is a difference between health care and health insurance, as Fox Business anchor Brian Sullivan points out after researching reports on health care from the Congressional Budget Office, Blue Cross-Blue Shield and Georgetown University.

Everyone has access to health care. They may not have health insurance, but the law mandates everyone who shows up at emergency rooms must be treated, insurance or not, he reports.

About 14 mn of the uninsured were eligible for Medicaid and SCHIP 2003, a BlueCross-BlueShield Association study based on 2003 data estimated. These people would be signed up for government insurance if they ever made it to the emergency room, Sullivan says.

A whopping 70% of uninsured children are eligible for Medicaid, SCHIP, or both programs, a 2008 study by the Georgetown University Health Policy Institute shows.

Census figures also show that 18.3 mn of the uninsured were under 34 who may simply not think about the need for insurance, Sullivan reports.

And of those 46 mn without insurance, an estimated 10 mn or so are non-U.S. citizens who may not be eligible, according to statistics from the Census Bureau), Sullivan reports." "

nature lover wrote on Jun 24, 2009 10:07 AM:

" I like Obama and the Clintons but I fear this health care reform is going to be to Obama what the free trade agreement was to Clinton. although it was initially a republican product, Bill signed & at the time sounded like a good idea. But it was the ruination of American industry & should be repealed. This health care reform, if passed is gonna lower standards for all to welfare. I am really not in favor. No matter how many economics classes u take u can not predict the true outcome. I wonder if they have a step action chart of how this is gonna work because many businesses are gonna drop insurance for their ee's cuz the gov't plan w/b an easy way out.

Discuss... "

Unknown... wrote on Jun 24, 2009 9:42 AM:

" Then they wonder why SS is running out of money. Makes me sick. There is no reason for those kids to be on SS at all. The politicians over the years have used that as their slush fund for all kinds of crap it was never intended for. I got 9 years before I'm elegible to collect that, and it better be there. If they can give billions to crooked businesses, they had better be prepared to bail out the Social Security system if need be. "

cm wrote on Jun 24, 2009 8:24 AM:

" I was yaking with my sis in Auburn last night, she was a hot potato over the fact a friends of hers had 1 child placed on ADD meds..
due to that SS is giving them a monthly check for the child and ALL their household children 4 total even though 3 are not ADD..these amounts are 650.00 per child!!!

she is livid to the fact that WHY would all children of the house recieve a check when others like her can't or so many seniors barely getting what they need a month just to survive???

she cannot get SS because she does not have enough credits,
she cannot get enough credits because she has severe heart issues and cannot work....
the system is in dire need of change!! "

FS II wrote on Jun 23, 2009 11:12 PM:

" cm, a good laugh somtimes makes things better. After Carson retired, I quit watch the late night shows,just wasn't the same. "

daviddelker wrote on Jun 23, 2009 10:43 PM:

" Actually, the Petards euthanize more animals than any shelter in the US. "

cm wrote on Jun 23, 2009 7:35 PM:

" PETA would put Terminix out of business if they could! "

cm wrote on Jun 23, 2009 7:32 PM:

" FS II, thanks!
I used to always watch Johnny Carson.
I hardly ever watched Leno, and I am not a fan Conan at all. "

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