The firearms laws that the state and federal politicians are trying to pass are the same as 1930s Germany and 1990s England.
Since our current DA was chief ADA for many, many years, why doesn't he know what happened to the evidence in some of these cases?
What a joke --- these do-gooders with morals about waterboarding killers. What about abortion -- killing all these kids who can't defend themselves?
Why doesn't the county fix North Street and all the streets where pot holes are? They were allotted money from the state, or whoever is responsible for the roads here in the city!
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091951 wrote on May 18, 2009 8:14 AM:
cm wrote on May 18, 2009 8:11 AM:
other than the very poor, or illegals..where are we giving our own Citizens aid in health care, food, homes to live in, OR simply a JOB in todays economy?
out of the BILLIONS we are borrowing against our grandchildrens future, how many MILLIONS/BILLIONS are going to other countries?
is there an itemized break-down of funds on the web somewhere?
again..THE CITIZEN do you know??? "
cm wrote on May 18, 2009 8:06 AM:
BUT do you really know where your $ is going?
I would love to know HOW much money has the USA sent to Africa alone in the past 15yrs????
THE CITIZEN do you know???? "
cm wrote on May 18, 2009 8:02 AM:
ye, who constantly says INFO doesn't work American's are wasting dollars on INFO.. "
Farmer's Gal wrote on May 18, 2009 7:20 AM:
"Besides, the US government does NOT give money for starving babies in Africa -- or anywhere -- unless they see some political or financial benefit for the ruling elite here." "
The Bone wrote on May 18, 2009 6:13 AM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on May 18, 2009 4:54 AM:
As I said before, why send money (or any other form of aid) to places which resent us for having it to give?
Especially when we DON'T actually have it to give. Keep the money here for Americans who need help in the current economy, pay off our debts and let the rest of the world tend to itself. "
usdwht wrote on May 17, 2009 6:08 PM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on May 17, 2009 6:02 PM:
Besides, the US government does give money for starving babies in Africa -- or anywhere -- unless they see some political or financial benefit for the ruling elite here. If this country gives money somewhere, they will be NOT giving money to equally needy people elsewhere -- and it is all based on power and manipulation, not charity.
I still say -- take care of your own before the rest of the world -- anything else is simple communism and it doesn't work.
You see, in the broadest terms, I'd define communism as a system which seeks to include all people in the world. That doesn't work -- our interests are not and will never be the same. Hard enough to put forward policies which meet the best interests of the majority in your own country, forget the whole world. I know I am playing fast and loose with the definition of "communism" -- and I would be the first to laugh at anyone who is still worrying about "reds under the beds." I use the term to define those who seek to find a policy for everyone in the world -- it's not possible. Best you can do is to define your own franchise -- in this case, I define it as citizens of the sovereign United States -- and work to their best interests first.
If YOU personally are concerned about starving babies in Africa, and you have the money to give, by all means give it. But our GOVERNMENT is supposed to be FOR THE PEOPLE -- of the United States, first and foremost -- we should not be asking our working and middle classes to support the whole world.
BTW, best way to help starving babies in Africa is to support sex education and birth control, but I think you are fighting a cultural uphill battle. The culture there supports having more babies because there is such a high mortality rate -- it's Nature's cruel way of countering overpopulation. Save all the babies and you create a terrible overpopulation problem and environmental destruction -- farmland and species which need wild areas -- to feed those too-many people. Nature is cruel, but when left to its own devices, it works. "
anonymous wrote on May 17, 2009 5:50 PM:
karl the 2nd wrote on May 17, 2009 5:28 PM:
The Bone wrote on May 17, 2009 1:02 PM:
excnyer wrote on May 17, 2009 12:43 PM:
Thanks for your well wishes. Each day that passes, my hubby is getting better. It's just the uncertainty as to when he will be able to chew again. Right now, it's broth, instant breakfast, Ensure, pudding mixed with milk, milkshakes (which he loves), melted Italian ice, and anything else he can sip through a straw! Strained baby food is working well for him too. "
karl the 2nd wrote on May 17, 2009 12:14 PM:
There are only a few listed in the online section of the website--WHY? "
Farmer's Gal wrote on May 17, 2009 10:18 AM:
We should spend more time focusing on fixing our problems at home and being more self-reliant, not allowing companies to move production abroad, putting tariffs on foreign goods we could and should be producing right here at home and not trying to be the world's policemen -- we have enough ills and evils right here at home we need to see to first.
Foreign aid is almost always used as a tool to manipulate other countries, not given for truly humanitarian reasons. Let individuals give where they see fit, including to foreign causes when they feel like it, but let our government take care of OUR people, first and foremost, and so long as there is a massive national debt, we should not be giving any money away outside our own country except for direct payments on our debts -- no different than you or I would do ourselves. You pay off your bills and debts first, and only if you have some left over do you give to charity. "
cm wrote on May 17, 2009 8:36 AM:
we as a whole country caved on our discipline, back in the day, our elders stood strong to the rules!
as did our great-grandparents!
now as a country- every year- we give away a piece of us (sympathy), as we do with our kids..
the SPOILS of our apathy have run-a-muck!
money=money, designer jeans=Senate Committees, toys=Porks.
We've caved in our values & morals:
'the difference between men & boys are the price of their toys'
'why buy the cow, when we can have the milk for free' "
cm wrote on May 17, 2009 8:23 AM:
cm wrote on May 17, 2009 8:21 AM:
we do have democracy,
not always fair at times, depending on the (todays) group that feels it was treated unjustly!
but I feel, it's time we stand our ground..whether it be in war,or facing cold blooded killers on the streets!
THERE is ONE constitution, yet we have 50 different state laws on a subject of sexual predators??? what's with that?
and that is ONLY ONE subject!
I couldn't possibly talk of them all in this little box!
as a citizen of this country I am sick of doling monies and feeling sorry for countries that can't stand on their own 2 feet....how many times are we going to feed Africa, when we have those starving here on our soil?
how many roofs will we build for those in Iraq when we have many here (families) that are losing their homes daily?
how much money will we borrow to SAY it's for our country yet our politicians continue to GIVE millions stating 'humanitarian need' for other countries, or PORK us to death???? "
cm wrote on May 17, 2009 8:06 AM:
parents and schools alike have fear for DCF, police, and lawsuits!
so they slack on what they know needs to be done!
I am not sure what's this boys troubles are..
my daughter says his parents ARE at the school all the time, his mom has even stayed all day in the classroom..he goes to counseling..he has been moved from teacher to teacher this whole year, for the past 3 months he's been in my daughters class.
he spits on books, wipes his lunch on books/desks/chaulkboard,blows his nose onto anything near him, flips his desk over and sits on it refusing to do classwork.
there hasn't been a day since he arrived that he hasn't 'done something' and totally disrupted the class.
I think it's time the parents realize he needs to be at an alternative school with more indepth counseling. "
Farmer's Gal wrote on May 17, 2009 5:11 AM:
Well, the important thing is that he WILL be OK. Safe journeys. "
excnyer wrote on May 16, 2009 9:04 PM:
Hubby is doing better considering his jaw is wired. He's looking forward to a spaghetti and meatball dinner! "
karl the 2nd wrote on May 16, 2009 7:51 PM:
Acapulco? lol! "
Farmer's Gal wrote on May 16, 2009 7:42 PM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on May 16, 2009 7:41 PM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on May 16, 2009 7:39 PM:
Think about it -- this kid -- what, maybe 9 or 10 years old? -- hates himself so much he doesn't care if he gets hit by a car. What kind of home life does a child like that have, that he would rather be dead than move on, even from one class to another? There's something seriously bad there, and it isn't the boy. "
Farmer's Gal wrote on May 16, 2009 7:36 PM:
If we are to stand before the world and say We fight for Democracy and Justice, then we cannot behave like any other disgusting, piggish, brutal bullying dictatorship. We have to stand behind the principles upon which this country was founded -- Justice for ALL, not just for those in power against those IN our power (i.e. prisoners) -- esp. when you consider that the majority of those incarcerated are innocent (under innocent until PROVEN guilty, they are ALL innocent). "
cm wrote on May 16, 2009 1:27 PM:
the he said/she said 'BS' is just that... 'BS' !!
I don't pretend to justify any actions of our country because:
I know for a fact, I don't know what goes on behind closed oval/square/round doors,
AND those that do know, certainly are not going to tell the truth...
if so they would have to shoot us!
my personal opinion is: if we are at war with a country that does not follow the Geneva rules towards us--then we shouldn't have the need to follow the rules concerning them!
we shouldn't have kept them prisoners, just 'behead' them immediately and get it over with!
Yes, bite my head off for that opinion! "
cm wrote on May 16, 2009 1:14 PM:
my daughter has a boy in her class that is simply horrible! yesterday he refused to move to his next class, he wrapped his legs around his chair, not the teacher, principal, school counselor could get him to move. They dragged him & chair to the office!
at first chance he took off running, out of the building, down the street, and onto a heavily traveled road with speed limit of 45.
The called the police, his parents, and chased him on foot/by car.
good thing this didn't turn deadly, by police or by vehicle!
School and parents these days are limited on ways of discipline---as there are TRUE abuse cases, this boy needs his 'butt whooped with a switch of the tree' as my gram would say! "
cm wrote on May 16, 2009 12:59 PM:
OUCH your poor hubby! I hope he is doing better! "
excnyer wrote on May 16, 2009 12:30 PM:
" If this SRO used a taser on a student, I'm sure it was after other attempts had been exhausted. and the student wasn't "shot". Would you have rather the SRO used a gun as an attempt to break up this fight? "
The off-duty cop told the 2 boys to stop fighting. I thought cops were trained to negotiate. Guess it's shoot first, talk later.
And, I believe that a taser is a type of gun. It does "shoot" something. "
AJ wrote on May 16, 2009 10:36 AM:
September 5, 2002
By Maureen Farrell
......"The administration's Iraq war dance is likewise baffling, particularly when Dick Cheney says Saddam can't be trusted - even though, not too long ago, he was trusted to the tune of $73 million during Halliburton/Iraq transactions. Moreover, newly discovered memos reveal that Cheney was also involved in a 1975 cover-up involving the CIA's mind-control experiment, MK-ULTRA. Back then, the government paid $750,000 restitution to Army biochemist Dr. Frank Olson's family, after admitting the CIA slipped Dr. Olson LSD days before his 1953 fall from a New York City building. When the Ford administration finally came clean, they promised they'd revealed everything. Yet according to an article in the "Mercury News," (Scientist's death haunts family, August 8, 2002) key officials, including White House aides Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld pushed to continue to conceal information.....
...."But not only has the government tried to control people's minds, they've copped to controlling the media, too. Operation Mockingbird, the CIA's plan to infiltrate America's newsrooms, was such a success that former CIA director William Colby boasted, "the Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any major significance in the major media." Carl Bernstein substantiated this, revealing that hundreds of journalists and news organizations were involved in this subversion. And though officials have admitted to planting fabrications in the past, it seems they're still at it. Remember the story about the terrorist's passport surviving the fiery crash into the World Trade Center? What could that be but government-issued pabulum? And what else but full-scale public brainwashing accounts for the rash of Stepford Citizen Syndrome spreading throughout the country?"...
.....9) "The media is liberal."
"Ann Coulter complains about the liberal media through the "liberal media," where she's regularly given a forum, yet Michael Moore has appeared on less than a handful of shows, though his book's been a bestseller for six months. During the election, the corporately-controlled media portrayed Al Gore in a negative light, while touting Bush's phony ranch-hand charm, and according to a report in F.A.I.R (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting), 75 % of the dominant sources of opinion on all three major networks are Republican. Yet the brainwashed continue to believe the media has a liberal bias. Go figure."...
This piece is still highly relevant today.
Full article here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/02/09/05_stepford.html "
bassistlearningdrums wrote on May 16, 2009 9:11 AM:
cm wrote on May 16, 2009 8:33 AM:
'clap, clap, clap' "
karl the 2nd wrote on May 16, 2009 8:29 AM:
the link you posted is a document which details monies allocated for the aid of relocating Palestinian refugees displaced due to the reckless, irresponsible, and morally indefensible actions of Israel with the backing of the Bush administration which has resulted in concentration camo0style living conditions for thousands--even millions--of Palestinian people.
It is just one of many such grants to help world populations that the USA doles out.
It is neither "Liberal", nor "Conservative"---but it IS meant to redress the wrongs of failed Middle East policy, which the US policy in the region has helped to keep from progressing. "
cm wrote on May 16, 2009 8:25 AM:
I happen to be there the day they signed papers, I questioned every bit of it! Not really my business, but I knew this was going to be 'a bad american dream'
when I earlier mentioned about the courts being slow--sis in GA. has not made a mortgage payment in over 2yrs!
(lost her job)
she is just now dealing with it all, with an attorney. "
cm wrote on May 16, 2009 8:19 AM:
as I agree there ARE some innocent ones, just as there are in some prisons(already convicted) those numbers are very small.
Yes, they should of had a trial sooner..
but for me dealing with work comp. case as of last year it took 1 yr to just get to court.
On Fl. news --its taking nearly a year to get into forecloser courts.
There are more cases than there are judges available to hear them.
I am not sure if this was/is the case on 'terrorists' but I am sure there are more legalities involved with persons from other countries than I/We know of. "
daviddelker wrote on May 16, 2009 8:06 AM:
The Bone wrote on May 16, 2009 7:59 AM:
091951 wrote on May 16, 2009 7:40 AM:
karl the 2nd wrote on May 16, 2009 2:40 AM:
Until you can come up with some intelligent counter-argument based upon a recognition of the facts and stop just saying "HOW?!" WHY?!" WHERE?" WHEN" like an 8-year-old, I'm not wasting any more methane or typing on your silliness and flubberbluster. "
karl the 2nd wrote on May 16, 2009 2:38 AM:
I can't even take you seriously"...time to take action against this flagrant liar?!!--"JAIL HER"?!?
LMFAO!! Hardy Har Har Har!!!!
OK, great!--so if SHE knew about what was going on at the time, and should be tried and jailed for it, then PRAY TELL "NoHope', WHAT SHOULD WE DO WITH DICK CHENEY THEN?! With the author and "brain" (and I use that term VERY loosely!) behind TOrture?!
Tell ya what--I"d GLADLY see Pelosi jailed IF WE CAN HANG CHENEY!
HOw's that for compromise?!
SHEEESH!! "
NoHope wrote on May 16, 2009 1:14 AM:
www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488
another great liberal move for our once great country.... "
NoHope wrote on May 16, 2009 12:59 AM:
AJ wrote on May 15, 2009 6:57 PM:
Get your heads out of your butts and pay attention for a change, and chew on this.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11944.htm
BTW, hi Karl and FG... "
teacher1 wrote on May 15, 2009 6:50 PM:
daydreamer wrote on May 15, 2009 6:22 PM:
excnyer wrote on May 15, 2009 4:33 PM:
In Glendale, AZ, on 5/5, a 14-year-old was tasered by an off-duty cop who was working an off-duty job as a school resource officer (whatever that is). The student was fighting with another 14-year-old student and failed to stop fighting when the off-duty cop told them to stop. So....taser gun in hand, he shot one of the 14-year-olds.
This is what will be happening when Auburn and Cayuga County officers get their hands on tasers. "
daviddelker wrote on May 15, 2009 3:49 PM:
movedsouth wrote on May 15, 2009 3:25 PM:
NoHope wrote on May 15, 2009 2:57 PM:
I certainly hope that our dear far-left friend (Karl) was watching the dialog where even these liberal commentators voiced deep-felt feelings that Nancy Pelosi was in deep political trouble... her credibilty nearing the zero mark... and her chances for re-election deeply in trouble...
The general feeling was that she has no business trying to take on the CIA.... even the current director, her former colleague and friend, issued a statement refuting her claim that she was "lied to".
It's time to take action against this flagerant liar.... bring her before a congressional hearing and put her under oath... when she lies there.... jail her! "
karl the 2nd wrote on May 15, 2009 2:43 PM:
Torture is like pornography--America and the world may not be able to define it, but it knows it when it sees it.
Your bogus, flimsy argument about it "not being illegal at the time" is just the type of prevaricating I would expect from a Cheney acolyte. Sheesh, man--give me a break! Where the hell is your moral compass?
FOr the record, Pelosi admitted that she was told that there were "enhanced interrogation techniques"--but she said--and this was confirmed by that other senator--that they were NOT told that "waterboarding" PER SE was being used.
Chris, I know you'll find it hard to believe, but the CIA is among the most despicable of institutions, with a long record of torture, screw-ups, and support of murderous, genocidal rulers and regimes to further it's own paranoid fantasies and ends.
Interestingly, Pelosi also called for the minutes of those meetings to be released to prove her allegations, And just this oment, as I'm typing this, CIA director Leon Pannetta came on the news to issue a weak rebuttal, saying only "We did not lie; ignore the noise" about it."
--Why not release the minutes of the meeting then? Would it show that Pelosi is telling the truth?
Incidentally, Chris--I'm no fan of Pelosi; I could care less about her fate. But let's be honest--the Republiscum are going after her as a substitute for their Hillary-hate. You know how they hate a strong woman. And boy, ain't it a great fundraising tool?
But isn't it funny that the guilty Republiscums are putting HER up as "the problem"--when it was the draft dodging coward Cheney who instituted and promoted this ILLEGAL policy. WHat a lot of methane. I"m going to have to out on the fan again. "
chris van note wrote on May 15, 2009 1:20 PM:
What Cheney's deferrment has to do with the point is beyond me.
Back to Pelosi:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was briefed on the use of “enhanced interrogation techniques” on terrorist suspect Abu Zubaydah in September 2002, according to a report prepared by the Director of National Intelligence’s office.
The Senate intelligence committee’s chairman and ranking member, Bob Graham and Richard Shelby, were given a briefing similar to the one with Pelosi and Goss on Sept. 27, 2002, according to the report.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/05/intelligence-re.html
She's either incompetent or a liar. My guess is 50/50.
I'm waiting for the "Bush made me do it" excuse.
Pelosi is the poster child for liberal Democrats, and one of many reasons why their fortunes will plummet faster than current job prospects.
Change we can believe in with the most ethical congress ever.
The point here is not whether or not waterboarding was against the law. At the point in time that it was being used, there was no law governing it's use, as it was not defined as torture. The problem for everyone here, is that Pelosi, and others on the Democrat side, have come out against it when it was able to score them political points, yet they were fully aware that it was going on, years before they spoke out about it. If people like Pelosi, Rockefeller, and others, felt so strongly about it, then why did they wait for years after they knew about it, to say anything? That is the issue here, not it's legality. The legality of it can be debated for years, "
Farmer's Gal wrote on May 15, 2009 1:19 PM:
So finally, we are coming around to justice. Charges, representation, trials, convictions and sentences. For those who are guilty, let them get what's coming to them. But for the majority who, it turns out, are NOT guilty, it's bloody well about time we stopped acting like a lawless dictatorship, persecuting innocents. "
united we wish wrote on May 15, 2009 12:32 PM:
karl the 2nd wrote on May 15, 2009 12:15 PM:
karl the 2nd wrote on May 15, 2009 12:14 PM:
When your hero, Dick Cheney, could have fought like a man, when HE could have showed his stuff, HE WIMPED OUT.
"I had other priorites"--he said.
Yeah--saving his butt--exactly like now.
You are defending a moral coward and a war criminal. Because you hate all things "Liberal" more than you love your country. And so does DICK Cheney.
Two peas in a pod, you two are. "
karl the 2nd wrote on May 15, 2009 12:11 PM:
LMFAO!!!
CHRIS VAN NOTE TALKING ABOUT "ETHICS, MORALITY, AND HONESTY!!!"
HAAA HAA HAA HA HA HAA HAH AHA AH!!!!
Chris--GREAT STUFF!!!
Where can I get tickets to your comedy routine?!?!
(Insert methane-expelling smiley here) "
chris van note wrote on May 15, 2009 11:33 AM:
It provides propaganda support for radical Islam and encourages future terrorists, who are assured not only that America deserves to be punished, but that it is now too weak even to interrogate them if they're captured.
With that botoxed liar Pelosi, ethics and morality don't even enter into this debate... much less honesty.
Does she realize how crazy her accusations make her sound?
"The CIA lied to us"
"The CIA is trying to frame me"
Time for a softly padded room I think. "
karl the 2nd wrote on May 15, 2009 11:13 AM:
You see, they TORTURED him on the mistaken belief that he would pony-up with what they REALLY wanted--an excuse, a justification for going to war with Saddam in the first place, to exculpate and clear Bush and Cheney in their LIES about WMD's.
Furthermore, there is NOW testimony that when one suspect would not say that Saddam had an Al Queda link, CHENEY HIMSELF ordered the guy to be TORTURED until he gave up the information.
Don't you see this, davidDAVID? This is shameful, criminal, beastly stuff. This reeks of the Spanish Inquisitors torturing innocent peasants to give up the names of additional "heretics" to burn alongside them. This reeks of the Gestapo and the Totenkopfverbande torturing Jews to give up relatives to lie in the furnaces with them.
You can't win this argument, ddDD. Every rebuttal you post sinks you further into shame and infamy in your defense of what was plainly a criminal enterprise and organization of the highest magnitude. Give it up, son--you're making yourself look realllllly bad. "
karl the 2nd wrote on May 15, 2009 11:06 AM:
Word of advice; talking effusively does NOT equal "intelligent rebutttal"...
You ask: "So, what you are saying, Karl, is that ALL of the credible information came on the FIRST DAY, and they waterboarded him for an additional 82 days?"
No, davidDAVID--I did not say that. THE OPERATIVE WHO INTERROGATED ZUBAIDA SAID THAT--STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH.
Do you understand that? HELLOOOOOO? EARTH TO davidDAVID?!? "
chris van note wrote on May 15, 2009 11:05 AM:
Since torture doesn't work but waterboarding did work on Khalid Sheik Mohammed and others, doesn't that prove (by your liberal "logic") that waterboarding isn't torture?
When disenfranchised youths flew planes into buildings on 9/11, it should have been a time of quiet introspection and figuring out how it was our fault.
Right Karl? "
karl the 2nd wrote on May 15, 2009 11:02 AM:
GUESS WHAT??!!!
The CIA has LIED MANY TIMES throughout history to cover it's own butts, and to save its members from prosecution.
In the Bay of Pigs invasion fiasco of 1961, it blamed JFK for the failure, when their own operatives had been poorly trained, and working with the Mafia.
The CIA was directly responsible for the fiasco of Viet Nam, when it deposed and assassinated leader Ngo Dinh Diem--described as "the strongest and perhaps ablest figure in Indochina" when he tried to negotiate with HO Chi Minh for peace. The CIA assassinated him, and of course, we got 10 more years of bloody war.
The CIA has supported Torture in leaders like Rafael Trujillo of the Dominican Republic, who brutally, bloodily suppressed that country for 30 years until they assassinated him too--this is one of the best documented plots of the 1975 Church Committee findings.
In 1973, CIA director Allen Dulles---yeah, the same one with the airport named after him--ordered the assassination of Zaire's Patrice Lumumba for daring to try to urge diplomacy with the USSR. Lumumba was captured, TORTURED FOR OVER A MONTH, and his body was dissolved in hydrochloric acid, and the CIA instilled--drum roll, please--Joseph Mobutu--the notorious dictator and thug.
In Indonesia, the CIA trained the US-backed military which then murdered up to ONE MILLION Indonesians in grisly fashion--and the slaughter continues in East Timor. It has been called "the greatest genocide since the Holocaust".
You want more, Chris? I could tell you of CIA murders and crimes in Chile, Greece, Viet Nam, Libya, Nicaragua--the list is LOOOONG.
Still want to tell me that the CIA never lies?
Do you REALLY believe your OWN lies?!
The history of the CIA is one dotted with lies, obfuscations, murders and nefarious plots that should have put hundreds of people in jail!
Remember--it was founded by LAWYERS! "
karl the 2nd wrote on May 15, 2009 10:07 AM:
I spew particles AND methane in your general direction. "
daviddelker wrote on May 15, 2009 10:02 AM:
karl the 2nd wrote on May 13, 2009 5:28 PM:
" DAVID and NeoChris--did you hear in the Torture hearings today on the news, the CIA operative who questioned the guy Zubaida--who was tortured 83 times in a month--he said QUITE CLEARLY that Zubaida gave the relevant information BEFORE they tortured him, and when they tortured him, he clammed up.
Case closed.
Torture DOES NOT WORK. "
Waterboarding is not torture, and from what I've seen lately, the only thing not working is Obama's stimulus plan. "
Farmer's Gal wrote on May 15, 2009 8:43 AM:
chris van note wrote on May 15, 2009 8:32 AM:
I can't wait for Pelosi to be thrown under the liberal bus, its the one thing that Obama is actually good at. "
GiveMeLiberty wrote on May 15, 2009 8:32 AM:
Step 1. We lose our preconceptions about each other.
Step 2. We find common ground.
Step 3. Work together to those ends. "
chris van note wrote on May 15, 2009 8:28 AM:
Anyone who would compare us to the Nazis has absolutely no grip on history (or reality).
So Pelosi and Graham are telling the truth and the CIA are a bunch of liars.
Too funny...Ok, now that she has accused everybody else of lying, when does she crack the case of the wardroom strawberries?
Even Steney Hoyer isn't buying their blatent lies. "
daydreamer wrote on May 15, 2009 6:15 AM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on May 15, 2009 5:29 AM:
dan w wrote on May 15, 2009 2:31 AM:
karl the 2nd wrote on May 14, 2009 8:20 PM:
Senator Bob Graham has CONFIRMED what Nancy Pelosi alleged at a press conference today--that the CIA ALSO lied to him about waterboarding, and that furthermore, they also stated dates to him on which they had met with him--dates which he never did so.
DID YOU GET THAT?
THE CIA ALSO LIED TO ANOTHER SENATOR.
Nancy Pelosi was TELLING THE TRUTH. "
karl the 2nd wrote on May 14, 2009 7:41 PM:
When he was tortured, he clammed up.
Tell me again how Torture "works", or "Worked"?!
I'll be waiting. "
movedsouth wrote on May 14, 2009 6:38 PM:
daydreamer wrote on May 14, 2009 6:05 PM:
excnyer wrote on May 14, 2009 5:27 PM:
Hope everyone is well. "
bassistlearningdrums wrote on May 14, 2009 4:25 PM:
karl the 2nd wrote on May 14, 2009 3:35 PM:
Let's get something straight, so you don't labor under any illusions, davidDAVID.
WE ARE THE SAME AS NAZI GERMANY.
WE ARE HARBORING AND PROTECTING WAR CRIMINALS.
WE HAVE TORTURED PEOPLE.
TORTURE IS ILLEGAL.
ERGO, THE ONES WHO TORTURED ARE WAR CRIMINALS.
What's so hard to understand about that?
Let's get something else straight--I have NO LOVE for Nancy Reed or any Democrat--I think the whole lot of 'em are corrupt with a precious few exceptions. Even Obama--I'm disappointed in him as well--but let's be serious--he was the only real choice in the last election. There was no one else to stand behind.
I would see Pelosi tried and punished too, if it's true that she knew and said nothing. But let's be serious--the ones who set the policy are first in line to the docket, and every time that you and Neochris defend the crimes of Torture and defend War Crimes, you bring yourselves down another notch--if that's possible. I seriously don't know how you look in the mirror.
I am embarrassed to call myself an American because of the actions of my government. How you can NOT be, is a testimony of the shallowness of your character.
And YES--I agree with you that the Dems held a majority since 2006 but are in no way responsible for the mess we are in. The Republicans roadblocked EVERY major initiative that the Dems tried to put forth, and Bush vetoed the rest.
WOW. I can't believe we agree on that. "
movedsouth wrote on May 14, 2009 3:17 PM:
sabrina5487 wrote on May 14, 2009 2:08 PM:
daviddelker wrote on May 14, 2009 1:25 PM:
karl the 2nd wrote on May 14, 2009 12:37 PM:
Gloat away, while you can, there will be justice in time. The wheel turn slowly, you know.
What's really sickening is that the United States has put itself in the same category as Nazi Germany--and you are defending it.
I mean, have you ever considered that, Chris? You're defending War Crimes--got a soft spot for the Gestapo and Einsatzgruppen too, do ya?
ppfffFFFHHTTTTT!!!!! "
Farmer's Gal wrote on May 14, 2009 11:26 AM:
But that approach has backfired because there are so MANY people who took on more debt than they could afford that they lost their homes that the houses are more of a liability than a profit for the banks, and everyone loses.
Short-term corporate greed destroys not only individual lives, but our whole economy. The long-term is here now and we are all paying the piper for allowing the banking industry --and other industries-- too much free rein. "
Farmer's Gal wrote on May 14, 2009 11:23 AM:
It's why we have those protective laws in the first place. Feel some sympathy for the innocent person picked up on suspicion of terrorism, imprisoned without charges or legal council, and tortured to get answers they don't have because they AREN'T terrorists. "
chris van note wrote on May 14, 2009 10:10 AM:
Only three senators stayed around long enough to question any of the witnesses.
Oh, and looky: The Obama administration is considering holding some of the detainees indefinitely and without trial on US soil.
What, how can that be? These guys we captured were victims of the Bush agression campaign, not terrorist...
Like I've stated many times before, Obama is getting mugged by reality. "
karl the 2nd wrote on May 14, 2009 9:19 AM:
Second--that canard about the Dems being "in control" is more silly Conservative spin, Chris, and you know it, you big kidder you! You know that the Dems had no power to get anything done because the crybaby Republicans would filibuster and block anything they tried to do! You big comedian, you!
pFFFFFFFT!! (OOPS! That was a bad one, Chris; I just ca't help it!)
I gotta say--I'm not worried at ALL about the economy. IN fact, I look at it fatalistically at this point. The COnservatives fooked it up royally, and Our Dear Leader will need some time to undo the damage.
(Sing) "Que seraaaa, seraaaaa, What ever will be will beeeeee..."
HEY! WHERE'S OUR "SMILEYS"?! I wanna add a "Beta Male" Smiley to my post!!!
(insert "Beta Male" smileys here)
(insert communist smiley face here)
(insert hippy-tripping, flower-tossing, love-spreadin' smiley here) "
karl the 2nd wrote on May 14, 2009 9:12 AM:
karl the 2nd wrote on May 14, 2009 9:11 AM:
Since he's buying it, he should eat it, therefore I shall taunt him a second tahm...
Oh yeah, by the way--you didn't actually respond to my question about Zubaida and his interrogator admitting that we got all the relevant info from him BEFORE they TORTURED him.
Standing stubbornly on an already-disproven contention is a poor substitute for an intellectually-honest answer, DAVID, "
cm wrote on May 14, 2009 8:58 AM:
sorry but I have no sympathy for terrorists and those that are 'sleeping with them' "
cm wrote on May 14, 2009 8:53 AM:
I am not saying homeowners shouldn't pay anything, but wouldn't these banks be better off getting some money VS. no money and a home selling for auction at 1/4 of its value?
MOST people want to keep their home, and are trying their best.
The policies in place right now only aid a select few.
Also with dealing in this area--there are some 'notes' not given to the owners..such as:
the sliding scale of finances out-going and what one can afford to pay.
EX. you call the holder, they have you do a paper of your income in and debts out.
YOU NEED the lowest amount to pay monthly right now..so if your debts are high HOW HIGH IS HIGH? (too much to afford the new plan? or high enough to pay an extreme amount?
some say 31% of your income to your mortage company???
WHY not cut to chase say we can go as low as x$$$$xx for your payment?
Can you afford that?
some 'operators' give you hints but they can't come right out and say how LOW they can go, due to conversations being taped..
we happen to luck out on one person that came right out and said 'lets add to your electric/water/medical debts average' by doing this it was a 200.00 difference in monthly payments for 24 months!
I am sure there are more 'details' to know and understand, to aid the homeowner BUT NO ONE is telling the inside secrets?!!!
Maybe a good story for THIS PAPER!???? "
chris van note wrote on May 14, 2009 8:07 AM:
Lets see how things have worked out for Dear Leader:
Foreclosures in April exceeded even March’s blistering pace with a record 342,000 homes receiving notices of default, auction notices or undergoing bank repossessions, according to a regular industry report.
The jobless rate hit its highest level since September 1983.
By the end of this year we will owe foreigners about 35% of our GDP.
I guess all those years as a community organizer are really paying off for us. "
chris van note wrote on May 14, 2009 7:44 AM:
" Chris--blah, blah, blah, you bore me with your insouciance and silliness. I release methane in your general direction.
How about that economy, huh?
And what about those Torture hearings that were never supposed to happen?
How about the economy Karl. Here is some Government 101: The congress votes for the budget and the Democrats have been in the majority since 2006, so if you have any complaints, direct it towards them. Obama's administration has finalized a nearly 3.6 trillion dollar budget for 2010, including a higher than anticipated 90 billion dollar deficit increase. How do you miss 90 BILLION dollars? The bad thing about socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money to spend.
Oh the so-called "torture" inquisition that the left desperately needs to validate their silly position. Nothing is going to happen. The Democrats knew exactly what was going on, Pelosi has been caught lying already trying to cover her rear end and pander to her ultra-left base. "
Farmer's Gal wrote on May 14, 2009 7:41 AM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on May 14, 2009 7:37 AM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on May 14, 2009 7:36 AM:
daviddelker wrote on May 14, 2009 7:22 AM:
brew1234 wrote on May 14, 2009 2:11 AM:
cm wrote on May 14, 2009 12:16 AM:
This money will balance our state budget and give more to education.
Yes, the FL. House & Senate were just bought ($$$$) by the Indians!
When this first became news-I thought EVERY state will want a casino! I am surprised at how many NAY's on this site.
I agree the Indians pay well, add more jobs, Our casinos give employees free meals, excellant medical insurance, and free entertainment to all shows.
When I drive by the one nearest to my home (Tampa) I have yet to see the parking lot bare.
I don't see it as a hinderance toward crime, but it is toward an addiction.
I, myself love to go to Vegas, however, as a treat with a limit on my wallet & bank account!
My oldest son goes to Vegas every year, his vacation. He too, like any other vacation plans out a dollar amount to spend--the key words are PLAN/SPEND.
I don't see it as a WIN WIN all the time, reality is: IT's NOT...there's alot of LOSE LOSE.
If your bills are paid, you have a roof over your head, and food on the table, and you can splurge, then so be it splurge on what you like to enjoy, afterall you only have this one life to live.
BUT if you don't have the monies to take care of your responsibilities FIRST, then you need to stay away from casinos!
The addiction can consume you if you ignore your problem and constantly think "today is my BIG WIN day" "
cm wrote on May 13, 2009 11:38 PM:
My daughter is in Orff also chorus.
they had their practices Mon,Tues, Wed (am) for the Fine Arts Festival which she was chosen for. Extra chorus on Thurs. extra Orff on Tues. and finally their spring concert Tues night!
I am now well 'tuned'--good luck with your audition! "
CayCntyLifer wrote on May 13, 2009 10:05 PM:
bassistlearningdrums wrote on May 13, 2009 9:57 PM:
anonymous wrote on May 13, 2009 8:54 PM:
anonymous wrote on May 13, 2009 8:52 PM:
You beat anyone enough, they will tell you just about asnything. Ever wonder why they don't allow coerced confessions? It isn't just because someone's civil rights have been violated, it is because, by it's nature, a coerced confession is not reliable because it was FORCED.
Even thoug I have agreed with Karl twice in two days, I still agree with CVN's assessment of him. WHat do you think, Karin? Oh, never mind, everyone already knows you will come running to his defense. "
Unknown... wrote on May 13, 2009 8:46 PM:
movedsouth wrote on May 13, 2009 8:11 PM:
Brandilynn84 wrote on May 13, 2009 6:47 PM:
091951 wrote on May 13, 2009 5:49 PM:
karl the 2nd wrote on May 13, 2009 5:28 PM:
Case closed.
Torture DOES NOT WORK. "
karl the 2nd wrote on May 13, 2009 4:33 PM:
How about that economy, huh?
And what about those Torture hearings that were never supposed to happen?
"A little advice Karl, better to have people think your a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt."--you've certainly proven that over and over and over again, Chris! You're King Fool here!
I can't wait to see what Truth you've twisted to come up with that thing about Chinese prostitutes. Let me guess--Drudge Report? Hannity? Limpbaaaaah? "
CayCntyLifer wrote on May 13, 2009 4:23 PM:
chris van note wrote on May 13, 2009 4:12 PM:
A little advice Karl, better to have people think your a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Speaking of smart liberals, look at where some of our tax money is going:
The National Institute of Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAA), a part of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), will pay $2.6 million in U.S. tax dollars to train Chinese prostitutes to drink responsibly on the job.
2.6 million dollars so Chinese prostitutes don't go overboard. How awesome is that. "
Farmer's Gal wrote on May 13, 2009 3:00 PM:
It's like drinking regularly -- where's the point when it is definied as an addiction?
I can base my opinion on various studies -- I just add my personal experience of knowing a family (or more than one, really, I only just mentioned one) who have suffered from having a regular gambler in the family, as a concrete example supporting the studies. I don't base my opinion on a single personal experience.
BTW, it makes no difference to me what your politics are or if you give to charities, though that is an admirable activity.
As I said before, if you have it to waste, then good for you. The problem lies with the many people who DON'T have it to waste, but do so anyway AND, more pertinently, with the crime that comes along with casinos. I find neither of those appealing for a local community. "
FREBUS49 wrote on May 13, 2009 2:18 PM:
Life long gambeling problem?
If I can afford to get to these places, what make's you think I can't afford to gamble in thes places? An opinion based on one family and not one's own experience is hardly a qualified opinion
on any subject.
For your information, I also donate to several charities and I am not a Republican. "
usdwht wrote on May 13, 2009 2:11 PM:
karl the 2nd wrote on May 13, 2009 2:10 PM:
karl the 2nd wrote on May 13, 2009 2:09 PM:
It kills parasitic zygotes and incomplete fetuses in the majority of cases.
Third-trimester abortions are a rarity.
Next? "
rd wrote on May 13, 2009 11:31 AM: