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Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:02 AM EDT

Isn't it a surprise that the oil company topped the sales of WalMart, especially when we're short of oil and the gas prices keep going up.



I see the state thought up another way to tax us: Renew handgun license every five years --- what a joke. This guy is almost as bad as Obama.

Where have all you Tea Party people been over the last eight years of the Bush administration's huge government spending and tax cuts for the rich?

I think times are getting pretty bad when a neighbor can walk into their neighbor's yard and take something that they had out because they don't enjoy it.

What Pelosi and Schumer want, along with Obama, is registration then confiscation. We will not give up our guns.

Enough talk about "deadbeat dads." It's time to start cracking down on manipulative mothers as any mother who refuses to compromise or cooperate with an ex, who uses visitation and communication (with a child) as leverage to control an ex, and who expects child support to cover more than 50 percent of expenses she wouldn't have if there were no child, doesn't understand that being a positive role model is the most important aspect of your job!




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Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 30, 2009 10:52 AM:

" (But I agree with you too -- anyone who is worrying about commies is dating him/herself, as it really isn't very relevant in today's world). "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 30, 2009 10:51 AM:

" I dunno, Karl -- Ithaca had a Communist mayor not too long ago. Things ran pretty much the same as they always have.... "

karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 30, 2009 10:15 AM:

" "Communist"--ha haha ha haha !!!

What an irrelevant word in the 21st century!

LOL!

Thanks for showing your age, Voice of Auburn! "

Voice of Auburn wrote on Apr 30, 2009 8:37 AM:

" Wow i just relized this is the Comunist States of Amerikkka you all are brain washed "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 30, 2009 8:18 AM:

" A-OK, movedsouth -- no problem. "

movedsouth wrote on Apr 29, 2009 5:29 PM:

" Just wanted to let people know that any cell phone will call 911 and that activation was not necessary, THAT'S ALL. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 29, 2009 2:42 PM:

" Well, that explains how they did it -- and without even needing to do any special programming. I just had to keep it charged.

However, the ability to call 911 is not sufficient for the basic functions needed in life -- not frills, but just basic communication. People need to be able to reach you, and you them, from family to business in addition to the need for a phone for emergencies. I still don't think of a CELL phone as a necessity, but SOME phone is. "

movedsouth wrote on Apr 29, 2009 12:27 PM:

" Federal law states that ALL cell phones must be capable of calling 911. When you renew your contract and get a new phone, the old deactivated phone will still call 911. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 29, 2009 9:38 AM:

" We could be sustainable if we wanted to -- it's not the size of the population, but the unwillingness of that population to practice sustainability -- we don't have a sustainable infrastructure, so it makes it difficult.

Yet another variation on the tune: The System is Corrupt and Dysfunctional. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 29, 2009 9:36 AM:

" One can also get a free phone which will call 911 only if you have had an order of protection from a stalker -- I had one for a while and never used it, thankfully, except for the test call you're supposed to make when you first get it. After the guy moved out of state, I gave it back to the DA's office for someone else to use.

This was two relocations and a few years ago, but the other day the guy's best buddy from around here showed up on my doorstep, ostensibly some GPS thing for the census -- I should have asked for ID because it kind of creeped me out. "

brew1234 wrote on Apr 29, 2009 8:43 AM:

" Wrong Dreamer. Go to safelink.com and find the facts instead of pulling them from you know where. "

daydreamer wrote on Apr 29, 2009 7:47 AM:

" When is Sean Hannity going to follow through on his offer to be waterboarded? Keith Olbermann is waiting. "

daydreamer wrote on Apr 29, 2009 7:16 AM:

" How about this being the reason our country is in such a mess, two words, unsustainable overpopulation. "

daydreamer wrote on Apr 29, 2009 7:12 AM:

" Yea, there is free emergency phone service, as long as you have a terminal condition or a disability that requires 24-7 care. "

The Bone wrote on Apr 29, 2009 6:37 AM:

" ARLEN SPECTRE switch parties because He has no morals. All He's worrying about is winning and keeping his job.There is no loyality among elected officals. If you swing which everway the wind blows how can you trust them. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 28, 2009 11:32 PM:

" "THE CONFISCATORS!""!!!!

Hahahhahahahahahaha!!!!

Is that a new Fox TV Drama? "

sick of it wrote on Apr 28, 2009 10:56 PM:

" omg some of you get it but some of you don`t i have seen so meny people brake the law even the auburn p.d so i take it they can do what they want but we cant i have seen some auburn p.d on cellphone's and that`s ok and there driving at the same time iv seen some put on there lights to go through a red light and there's nothing to go get they shut them of as soon as they go through and slow down and shut of there lights you tell me. "

091951 wrote on Apr 28, 2009 5:50 PM:

" You won't give up your guns, huh. We'll see who's talking big and tough when the confiscators start going door to door. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 28, 2009 5:05 PM:

" AAAAAAAWWWWESOME!!!!!!!

ARLEN SPECTRE HAS SWITCHED PARTIES!!!!!

WAAHOOOOOOOO!!!!

Another blow to the "No Party"!!!!! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 28, 2009 1:56 PM:

" Don't get me wrong, DD -- money in the hands of the people does not sound like a bad idea to me at all -- I just don't think you can assume it will be the fix-it for American businesses and our economy all by itself. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 28, 2009 1:55 PM:

" "If they bought goods and services, business in the US would thrive."

I don't think you can make that leap, especially when so many goods are produced in foreign countries, and/or produced here by immigrant laborers who send the majority of their pay out of the country and/or may be produced here but are owned by foreign companies with the profits also leaving this country.

There was a very good reason our Founding Fathers wanted to strictly limit corporations of any kind -- and it's been nothing but bad for the citizens of this country that corporate lawyers have found ways to subvert the intentions of those restrictions. "

daviddelker wrote on Apr 28, 2009 12:43 PM:

" Oh yea---the economic Voo-doo comment. There was a great part in Ferris Beuller's Day Off when voo-doo economics was mentioned. Funny. What is so "voo-doo" about placing $ into the hands of the American public, Brew? "

daviddelker wrote on Apr 28, 2009 12:37 PM:

" PS Brew---I guess if that is shooting from the hip, then I shoot from the hip. But I am right. Are you any better off right now? Obamas stimulus plan was supposed to be helping us RIGHT NOW. Those were his words, not mine. Best I can tell, the banks are still tight, and foreclosures are happening in record numbers. "

daviddelker wrote on Apr 28, 2009 12:35 PM:

" OK Brew------Let me make some simple points with regard to economics: If the gubment placed money in the hands of the American citizens, they'd buy goods and services. If they bought goods and services, business in the US would thrive. If US business' are thriving, there would be fewer layoffs. If there were fewer layoffs, many Americans could afford to stay in their homes avoiding foreclosure. If there are fewer foreclosures, the banks remain healthy. If the citizens are in their homes, they pay property taxes which allows the local gubments, and schools to be well funded. Hmmmmm--seems to me that if you and I didn't have to pay Federal income taxes for a spell, we'd be better off. Gosh Brew, maybe you're right--placing $$$ in the hands of the American public wouldn't be a good idea---there would be less gubment intervention in our lives, and that goes against your idiotic liberal agenda, doesn't it? "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 28, 2009 12:24 PM:

" No cell phones work in Genoa except AT&T -- so much for the free service!

Actually, I don't have one and don't want one, but that's just me. Every once in a while I think it would be handy, but not for the cost. "

brew1234 wrote on Apr 28, 2009 12:00 PM:

" You have a state program that gets you a free cell phone and 68 minutes of service per month to take care of emergency needs. Safelink.com. No one has to go without a phone for an emergency.
Also what makes David D. think he knows more than the top economic minds in the nation? If he was such an authority then someone might care about his shoot from the hip opinions and economic voo-doo. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 28, 2009 11:20 AM:

" daviddelker, I agree 100% that the plane flyover was a stupid thing to do. What an idiot that guy was who authorized it--Obama was said to be furious about it though. "

daviddelker wrote on Apr 28, 2009 10:12 AM:

" Wonder how much that "photo opportunity" by the Obama administration will cost tax payers in total? Heck, if it were Bush doing it, you'd be all over it Karl. How wasteful. REPEAL THE FEDERAL INCOME TAX, AND PROVIDE A STIPEND TO EVERY AMERICAN HOMEOWNER, AND CHANNELS TO REFINANCE AT THE PRIME RATE SO THAT $$$$$WILL BE FREED UP SO THAT THE BANKS CAN START LENDING AGAIN................ "

karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 28, 2009 9:06 AM:

" usdwht--your post shows that you misunderstand the issue.

How does the fact that "less than half Americans support Gay Marriage" equate to "representing ALL Americans"?!

That's one of the paradoxes of Democracy--that the majority can impose tyranny on a minority by decree. But that's precisely why we have Supreme Courts, and educated people who understand the intent of the Declaration of Independence.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that ALL MEN are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

AHh--"the pursuit of Happiness"--as in, the RIGHT to be married to the person whom they love. Those who think differently are not exactly understanding the concepts upon which this country were founded. "

usdwht wrote on Apr 28, 2009 7:52 AM:

" "karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 27, 2009 7:56 PM:
" Bone, I thought that Ms California had a perfect right to express her opinion, but an ignorant opinion I thought it was.

Too bad she doesn't seem to have made a commitment to representing ALL of America. That's why she lost, and GOOD for that. "


Representing ALL of America she should have said that less than half of the people favor gay and lesbian marriage. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 28, 2009 7:39 AM:

" I have to disagree -- phone and internet are communication necessities, phone in particular. If there is an emergency and you need to get a child to the hospital, for example, you had better have a phone. If someone is breaking into your house and you need the police, you had better have a phone.

Since the government has moved almost all their information onto the internet, every citizen must have access tothe internet in order to have access to the Democratic process. In a pinch, you can get it at your public library, but internet is also a necessity, one way or another.

Depending where you live, a car may or may not be a necessity. In a city where there is adequate public transportation and/or goods and services within walking distance, a car is not a necessity, but if you live in the countryside where it's 7-10 miles to the closest gas station and groceries and health services may be half an hour or more away, you need a car.

Cable TV is not. A cell phone is not, though I can see where they'd be handy. Groceries are a necessity, but soda pop, donuts, chips, coffee, liquor and cigarettes are not necessities, though some of them are addictive and may feel necessary to some folks.

Clean water is a necessity. Clean air is a necessity. Clean soil is a necessity. Affordable health care and education are necessities. I'd like to see more focus on these and less on the non-necessities. "

suzee wrote on Apr 28, 2009 6:52 AM:

" We all have bills to pay! We need food and shelter. We don't NEED cable, phone, internet, those are luxuries. Somewhere along the line it became an entitlement thing, I want it therefore, I buy it. Why do you think this country is in such a mess right now? No one is telling you what to do, you have choices. We all pay taxes... "

karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 27, 2009 7:56 PM:

" Bone, I thought that Ms California had a perfect right to express her opinion, but an ignorant opinion I thought it was.

Too bad she doesn't seem to have made a commitment to representing ALL of America. That's why she lost, and GOOD for that. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 27, 2009 7:54 PM:

" sick of it, if you would get off the mj and nicotine, you would be a lot less irritable..sheesh. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 27, 2009 5:45 PM:

" P.S. Like I said, I never TOLD you to do anything. I suggested you think about it and make an informed and compassionate choice yourself. That's not TELLING. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 27, 2009 5:44 PM:

" Gripe away -- it's a free country, and I am sure you are right about the law-breaking. Seems like the law is never around when stuff is going down.... "

sick of it wrote on Apr 27, 2009 3:18 PM:

" well the way i see it ill b---ch and bellyache in here if i like to everyone in here b---ches about something in here so you all know what im going to all so you were all on top of the gov. have the tax so the only thing i can say is if you want to keep telling me what im going to do with my life then pay my bills that i get every month im going to crab about it till the cows come home and everything else that go's on in this city that you all b--ch about and iv already ben out side today there was more people brakeing the law and no cops around right infront of the welfair bilding. "

suzee wrote on Apr 27, 2009 2:31 PM:

" then stop crabbing about the cost of cigarettes! YOU choose to smoke, so you have to pay the $$. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 27, 2009 1:53 PM:

" Not to be snotty, honestly, but that has the sound of an addict facing the possibility of not getting the next hit -- because nicotine is an addiction no less than drugs, alcohol, caffeine or anything else. I have know other smokers who get really obnoxious if A) they go too long without getting another fix of nicotine or B) someone suggests they cut it off. Of course, I've known alcoholics and drug users who get the same way over the substance they abuse. Coffee drinkers too....

I can cut some slack there -- a person is not himself or herself when the craving sets in. I just hope once she has had another cigarette and it has calmed her nerves and let her mind loose, she stops and spends some time honestly thinking about what it does to her kids to see their mom a slave to something that makes her -- and them -- sick. It's her private business and she need not discuss it with us, but I most earnestly hope she does stop and take the time to realize that she is NOT the only one impacted by her smoking. The kids not only have to deal with the health risks of second-hand smoke, but they also have to deal with the bad role-model which will very likely set them off as smokers, (no matter how good a role model as a mom in all other respects), AND the very good possibility that the health problems she brings on herself could leave her kids WITHOUT a mom at an early age. Not all smokers die young, but the chances are greatly increased, and you have to think about leaving your kids with no one but a dead-beat dad to finish raising them -- or maybe they grow up before the cigarettes kill her, but she never gets to see grandchildren or share the good things she knows about raising kids with her kids as they raise their own.

None of us lives in a bubble where our actions affect no one but ourselves. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 27, 2009 1:02 PM:

" I don't necessarily agree with her view, Bone, but she has a right to it and it's got zippo to do with whether she makes a "beauty queen" or not, except it is yet another venue where political correctness is enforced. Even when I agree with the views that go along with being "PC" I DO NOT go along with forcing that view on others. "

brew1234 wrote on Apr 27, 2009 1:02 PM:

" sick of it, Are you just waiting to die? You are the most dried up, crabby, uncaring fossil I have heard from since I last visited the nursing home. It's spring and life is grand, so try enjoying it and stop the constant complaining. I am not trying to be mean but if you need someone to talk to, let me know. "

The Bone wrote on Apr 27, 2009 12:51 PM:

" Sorry I left out "LIKE" "

The Bone wrote on Apr 27, 2009 12:23 PM:

" What was so wrong with what Miss California said,it is Her opinion. I guess its a one way street at times. If She said that She was for it,would that be ok. I would to know what people think. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 27, 2009 12:17 PM:

" What I meant was -- it's NOT just your body -- your children breathe it too. Did I TELL you what to do? No -- I made an appeal for you to think of all the good reasons to decide for yourself -- and your children -- to make a change.

Unknown's post was along the same lines -- Both of our notes were respectful and sympathetic.

It is indeed your right to choose to continue to smoke -- and it is your responsibility too. Remember that when your children start smoking and/or develop health problems as a result -- it was your choice, and no one could tell you what to do. "

sick of it wrote on Apr 27, 2009 10:54 AM:

" like i said ill stop when im ready to not when other people tell me to its my body ill do as i want with it if i want to smoke in my back yeard im going to if people don`t like it then get away from me im sick of people telling me what to do so from now on ill do as i please they don`t like it then leave i don`t tell them what to do what gives them the right to make my choices for me im well over 30 years old ill make my own choices. auburn's going to hell in a hand basket anyway and i just cant wait to see everyone fall. "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Apr 27, 2009 9:54 AM:

" Well, my trip to Auburn was short, but I had fun. Auburn looks different. Family and friends are doing well. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 27, 2009 9:26 AM:

" dan w, I know a woman wh broke her ankle just simply walking in the woods. She slipped on a rock and broke it.

Let's ban rocks then too.

And roller blades.

And trampolines.

And most of all--stupid school sports like Football, Baseball, Wrestling, and soccer. I've known kids who broke bones there too.

There's my sarcastic humor for the day. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 27, 2009 9:01 AM:

" I have a girlfriend from high school whose parents were both chain smokers. She spent most of her older childhood in the basement, trying to get away from the smoke. She now has a number of health problems -- all from breathing second-hand smoke. Sure, it's a saving of money too, but it's even more important for your kids if you can quit. There are groups around who will help too, but I would think the greatest motivation would be to set an example of health for the kids, and also to free them from second-hand health problems later in life. We know they are a top priority for you -- think about it, maybe? "

Unknown... wrote on Apr 27, 2009 7:15 AM:

" Sick of it - did you ever consider quitting?? It's really not that hard to do. I did it years ago. And look at the money you'd save. More money in your pocket to do things with your kids. Buy a car. Anything is better than burning it. Think of the benefits to your health, too. And look at it another way - you would not be supporting any government or tobacco company any longer it that way. "

dan w wrote on Apr 26, 2009 11:43 PM:

" I think all dirt bikes should be banned. People break bones on them from using them wrong "

sick of it wrote on Apr 26, 2009 9:10 PM:

" well i hope the gov. is happy the res. is taxing cigarettes now so i guess i have to go were they don`t tax them. like i said ill stop when i want to not when they want me to the tax keeps on going up what next make it so people cant drink anymore most of auburn does all there doing is making it to were people will leave like im going to if this keeps up now i have to look for a nice long drive again just to get my cigarettes. "

anneominous wrote on Apr 26, 2009 1:47 PM:

" I think the whole deadbeat dad thing isn't so much about stereotypes as it is about taking a real practical look at the situation. Both parents need to work together, in all ways, for the best interest of your child. "Love Your Child More Than You Hate Your Ex."

I don't doubt the number of deadbeat dads out there and I am lucky not to be dealing with them, but the policies surrounding broken homes are so unbalanced! How could you throw a man in jail for falling behind on a bill? Will that make him a better father? What about the fathers that really can't afford their support. People are getting laid off left and right and I don't think it's fair to hold the financial stndards to a noncustodial parent... it's not fair to anybody especially the kids. Show me one child who has benefitted from it! "

sick of it wrote on Apr 25, 2009 10:51 PM:

" damn it was nice out today and hot spent the day out side chillen with a ice cold bottle of water with my friends and had fun. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 25, 2009 6:48 AM:

" Oh, I wasn't belly-aching -- that's all long behind me. Took me years, but one day I made the realization that my dad is simply incapable of understanding what it means to be a parent. When I stopped expecting it of him, I stopped being hurt and disappointed by him, and learned to have a friendly relation. When my Evil Stepmother finally left him (she was emotionally and psychologically abusive of him, and physically too I think, but he was psychologically dependent on her and too weak-willed to leave), he started to change. Slowly, very belatedly, and I doubt he will ever grow up completely, but here in his mid-to-late 60s he is starting to have a sense of fatherhood and family and to learn the joys and pains of generosity instead of self-indulgence and self-centeredness.

You do the best you can for your own kids, and love them, and go through some terrible times sometimes, but if you lay the right groundwork, hopefully they'll come out the other side as fine adults. Good for you! "

sick of it wrote on Apr 24, 2009 7:33 PM:

" thank you Farmer's Gal it sucks how we all use to live! i have 2 boys one 9 the other 14 there doing real good in school thank god for that but at home that`s a nother story. but when i do get them i let them play hard ones 6 pm comes there in the house! i know i came of as a b***ch in here but i do have a heart when it comes to kids and i am sorry that you had it bad your self its not fun at all. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 24, 2009 6:07 PM:

" I was agreeing and sympathizing, sick-of-it. My own dad was a bum -- he used to short my mom on the child support by odd amounts just to bug her -- he made buckets of money and she worked her butt off and was still on and off public assistance. She loved us deeply and he still has no real clue what it means to be a parent. And who suffered from his stupid games? No one more than us kids.

I KNOW there are lots of deadbeat dads, I'd put money on them being the majority (and I don't gamble) -- but I also recognize that it is a stereotype and occasionally there are deadbeat moms too.

Mostly it's heart-breaking the way so many people -- moms and dads alike -- will USE their own children as tools to hurt their ex-spouses, when in reality, the kids are hurt more than anyone, and they don't seem to mind hurting their own kids if only they can zing it to the ex, male and female alike.

No wonder so many people are messed up in the head and heart!

Good luck to you -- and to your kids most of all. (And cm's too!) "

sick of it wrote on Apr 24, 2009 4:30 PM:

" Farmer's Gal i can agree with you there some mom's are all so deadbeat's thank god im not one of them when mine are with me there cleand and fed in bed by 9pm but my x don`t seam to do that with them the c.p.u has been called on him a number of times even the school has and nothing's been done and i just cant seam to pull them out i don`t think i could take them away from there dad only cause they love him and they want to stay there with him so i leave it alone i do how ever get them on the weekends when he wants to send them. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 24, 2009 2:03 PM:

" Stereotypes usually get started by some real thing. It's not fair to judge people you don't know by a stereotype, and when you get to know people, they often don't fit -- but some people do. There are indeed such things as deadbeat dads (and moms sometimes too). "

sick of it wrote on Apr 24, 2009 12:59 PM:

" some are deadbeat dads im dealing with one my self have been for a long time now a call gets made but nothing gets done thank you very much. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 24, 2009 11:26 AM:

" I've always viewed "gubment" as a redneck/rural pronunciation, and not any kind of racial thing at all. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 24, 2009 10:23 AM:

" daviddelker, what "good idea" was that--the "take a simple test to determine their competency"?!

LOL!

What--you want to make 'em stand like John Wayne and point the thing?!

GREAT idea, david. Yup--you and your "gubment", whatever THAT is.

Does a "gubnor" run that?

You're just silly! "

karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 24, 2009 10:20 AM:

" GML, of course I know the difference--but high capacity ammo clips and pistol grips aren't "cosmetic features" either. My dad is actually quite a big deal in the local NRA chapter where I'm from, so I know and hear all the talking points and arguments, so I'm not as ill-informed as you might think.

I KNOW that you can use a pistol grip to fire a rifle one-handed--I've done it overseas. Leave it at that.

I don't know what else you are looking for as far as answers--I'm not going to name my guns, if that's what you're looking for. I told you where I stand on the features. I told you what I consider "paranoia". Suffice to say that I find the NRA to be a radical group with an agenda that's not as "patriotic" as they try to paint themselves.

I'm not so much sold on registering guns so much as controlling the trade and sales at gun shows, and keeping certain types of ammo off the streets. And excepting muzzle loaders, no one should be allowed to own a .50 cal. Those things can practically blow your arm off with one bullet. "

daviddelker wrote on Apr 24, 2009 7:38 AM:

" no, I meant gubment.

Karl--what test are we taking now to determine whether or not we are capable to posses a firearm? People change over the years--we get older, we get senile--Maybe we should employ a national database where doctors are involved too. When he sees signs of dementia, he notifies the database, and the gubment questions the gun owner. We take away drivers licenses when someone is not capable to drive, right? Now, Karl, are you insinuating that when I use the word "gubment", it has racial undertones? It is not meant that way, but isn't that just like you to deflect the argument to something else when someone has a good idea that you, as a liberal media cronie, don't agree with. "

GiveMeLiberty wrote on Apr 24, 2009 7:38 AM:

" Karl, I'll wait until you do have time for you to address my points; I'm sure you'll find some.

Are you confused about the difference between full automatic and semi-automatic? You seem to be, since you keep talking about full-auto guns while we are discussing the "Assault Weapons Ban" which has nothing to do with full-auto guns and is merely a ban on certain cosmetic features. If you don't know the difference then I really don't see what your place is in the debate. "

theking wrote on Apr 23, 2009 9:05 PM:

" KARL, how does a pistol grip give the edge to the criminal? Your bayonet charge about not being needed is irrelevant. High cap mags are over 40 rounds. The 1994 ban made it illegal to manufacture mags over 10 rounds. The AR models are supposed to have 20 and 30 round mags which are standard not high cap, but the gov wants to scare you with the "HIGH CAP" BS..How is banning high cap mags going to stop violence. Any smart criminal would already have dozens laying around. Anyone who wanted one could find one. The only people who wouldnt have them would be law abiding citizens. The NRA doesn't want "real" tecs and aks legal. the real ones are full auto and are illegal. The NRA didn't lie. Factcheck.org stated information based on Obamas Campaign rhetoric. His Campaign Rhetoric contradicted every vote he cast in his past. ALL ANTI-Gun. Of course he would want to sound like he believes in the second amendment while hes running for pres. then flip flop. They want to make .50 cals illegal. so much for my muzzleloader. Next they will say .45s are too dangerous. Then i wouldnt be able to shoot my 1911. Boy i sure hope they make marijuana illegal since i dont want my kids to get their hands on that. oh wait... "

karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 23, 2009 7:35 PM:

" daviddelker--"take a simple test to determine their competency"--???

David, are you serious? People don't get killed because they mistakenly hold a gun backwards, for crissake! That's just silly!

I agree that DWI's are a crime, but you can that many people who drive drunk are too impaired to recognize the consequences of their actions--again, NOT the same as a willful killing with a firearm.

By the way, I believe you mean "government"? "

karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 23, 2009 7:29 PM:

" GML--my apologies, as I don't have the time to take your post point-by-point, but I'll try to condense.

I agree with the banning of pistol grips, bayonets, and high-capacity magazines. Though they may not affect the lethality of the gun itself, they give an edge to a potential killer like the latest Binghamton shooter. I know that "flash suppressors" are not what they are made out to be. But why the hell would you even NEED a bayonet? Common sense, there. Needless to say, TEC-9's and AK's should never be legal, even as I know that hey are not--but they WOULD be, if the NRA had their way.

Sorry, but I am not about to blab on a local website about which guns I own or have in my home, but suffice to say that most are hunting guns. Don't bother calling either; I'm not about to tell a private citizen what I own.

The "paranoia" to which I refer is the "confiscation" nonsense. Nobody's going to take your squirrel guns, Josey. "Confiscation" to the NRA means even one inconvenience or limitation imposed on gun ownership. And I don't trust the NRA to have any integrity anymore in the arguments--the way they lied about Obama in blatantly truthful ads during the election was shameful, plain and simple.

That's not a reactionary defense of Obama--that's a recognition of the fact that the NRA thought they had to lie to keep their obsessive pro-gun agenda intact. "

anonymous wrote on Apr 23, 2009 6:56 PM:

" I think times are getting pretty bad when a neighbor can walk into their neighbor's yard and take something that they had out because they don't enjoy it.


I am sure some morons might have difficulty comprehending this, but this poster is addressingthe morons out in Owasco crying about their neighbors windchimes because they don't like them. "

brew1234 wrote on Apr 23, 2009 4:43 PM:

" I worked for a dept store and sold guns and was called on to testify in several court cases where the legal owner of the gun committed a crime. What is the big deal over registering the ownership of a gun? Why do NRA nuts call simple legal requirements punishment? Law abiding gun owners have nothing to fear. Those who want to mete out justice in the streets should be prosecuted as criminals. We have armed services and police agencies that are responsible for crime not private citizens. Your firearms should be for hunting and protecting your home and no other purpose. In the current arguement over re-registering handguns there is no reason to re-register as any crime, threats or mental disturbance by the registrant should result in forfeiture of all their guns. This would make re-registration unneccessary. It is just a ploy to raise taxes. I count myself as a strong advocate of responsible, lawful gun ownership and I am generally a liberal, though not on all issues. "

The Bone wrote on Apr 23, 2009 4:33 PM:

" We should register all Firearms period.
Why would anyone be against that? "

GiveMeLiberty wrote on Apr 23, 2009 3:43 PM:

" Karl,
Apologies on being confused about the chain of events. Your quote I noted as #2 was in response to the following statement?

"What Pelosi and Schumer want, along with Obama, is registration then confiscation. We will not give up our guns."

That makes more sense. I would still like for you to respond to the rest of my post, if you would be so kind. I would love to know why you feel that the concern I quoted just now shows an irrational paranoia. Confiscation has ALWAYS followed registration. What other purpose could be served by the government having a list of who owns what gun? Please don't trot out "crime solving" unless you can point to specific examples of crimes being solved by gun registration. "

GiveMeLiberty wrote on Apr 23, 2009 3:28 PM:

" Exactly right Karl.

I myself support a dirt bike ban. Who the hell needs a dirt bike to get to work?

The government should always ban things we don't "need", am I right?

Karl, I find you to be an intelligent person. I am willing to bet that if you read the ACTUAL TEXT of the 1994 law commonly known as "The Assault Weapons Ban", you would drop support of it. Please do so, and let me know if you still support it. If you do, then I would love to know which of the SPECIFIC gun characteristics it mentions are the ones you feel should be banned.

Oh, also please help me understand this chain of events:

1. Two Cents writer says "I see the state thought up another way to tax us: Renew handgun license every five years --- what a joke. This guy is almost as bad as Obama."

2. You reply: "More NRA-inspired paranoia, I see.

What a silly world these people live in."

3. You continue: "I do NOT, incidentally, support this ridiculous, window-dressing measure of re-registering my guns. How completely stooooopid, and how transparent a money grab from the thieves running New York."



It would appear that you agree 100% with the original poster . . . but also call him paranoid and imply that he is delusional. Why is that?


PS. Please point out the specific communique from the NRA which is inducing the "paranoia" (if you continue to assert that there is non-justified paranoia).

PPS. What types of handguns do you own (if you don't mind my asking)? "

daviddelker wrote on Apr 23, 2009 3:16 PM:

" Karl--I didn't say auto accidents--I said DWI deaths--which ARE NOT AN ACCIDENT---they are a crime. When you drink in excess, and climb into a car, it is not accidental.The drunk MEANT to get behind the wheel, and drive the car.

My point is that more deaths are attributed to DWI than handgun deaths---PERIOD. Seldom, is the perp of the crime with a handgun the legal owner. Do you really believe that restricting legal ownership is going to stop violence with illegal handguns? Look at the drug trade-----billions spent on the joke called enforcement. Drugs are as big a problem as they've ever been. Legalize pot, and remove the illegal aspect of it, gubment taxes it, and sells it----The only thing prohibition did was make Kennedy's rich-thye'd be janitors if not for Joe Kennedy the criminal. If Obama wants to make a splash, let him arrest the person who supplied the DWI defendant with the alcohol, and charge him or her with the same charges---I think you'll find that DWI would be cut in half. This toughguy act of bullying by wrapping them up in red tape stinks and will not change a thing. How about we agree on this----our drivers license is nenewed about every 10 years--how about gun owners, re-register their handguns, and take a simple test to determine their compitency--like you would an elderly driver? "

theking wrote on Apr 23, 2009 2:58 PM:

" Karl I am happy to see you disagree with the reregistering of permits/guns. I would like to know why you support the "assault weapons ban." The ban has been proven to be a failure. There are no assault weapons legal in the US. True assault weapons are fully automatic and have been illegal for decades. No military uses the weapons that are legal in the US besides some pistols. The restrictions in the ban are such things as pistol grips, flash hiders, bayonets, and adjustable stocks. none of those have any effect on the lethality of the weapon. when was the last time you heard of someone being killed with a bayonet. Its just more of the same politicians who know nothing trying to pass more laws to gain more votes and power. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 23, 2009 1:24 PM:

" "A typical leftwing radical" --HA HA!!! That made my day! Thanks for the laugh!!

Daviddelker--the great divide between NRA supporters like you and people like me is that I don't see responsible gun control as "punishment", and never will.

I do NOT, incidentally, support this ridiculous, window-dressing measure of re-registering my guns. How completely stooooopid, and how transparent a money grab from the thieves running New York.

Your argument about handgun deaths vs automobile deaths is poorly presented too. You're comparing Volvo's to Uzi's. 999% percent of auto accidents are ACCIDENTAL. MOST handgun deaths are INTENTIONAL. That's not to say I want to ban them--not at all. I would never want to give up my guns. But putting in place more rules to prevent them from falling into wrong hands and stopping illegal sales would be wise, considering the explosion of drug gangs and that whole gun culture.

I DO support a reinstatement of the Assault Weapons ban, and tight, strict control of gun show sales. That's not "punishment"--that's just responsible and smart. Who the hell needs an assault weapon to get their venison? "

justventing wrote on Apr 23, 2009 1:17 PM:

" A Good Tip:
Put your car keys beside your bed at night. If you hear a noise outside your home or someone trying to get in your house, just press the panic button for your car. The alarm will be set off, and the horn will continue to sound until either you turn it off or the car battery dies. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 23, 2009 12:50 PM:

" It's just the government restricting the right to bear arms even tighter -- because the government has the most to fear from an armed citizenry.... "

daviddelker wrote on Apr 23, 2009 12:29 PM:

" Now, when looking at crimes committed in the US----how many crimes that involve an gun are committed by the gun owner themselves? By and large, American gun owners are law abiding, tax paying individuals who just want to be left alone. Why punish legal gun owners for the crimes of a few? Take all automobiles off the road because someone MAY have one too many drinks, get in the car, and kill someone. Compare handgun murders to DWI deaths---There are many more DWI related deaths than with handguns. More kids die on the football field than from a gunshot in the US. NRA propaganda?--no--go to the CDC site, and review the facts. Karl, it seems to me that you often don't have a mind of your own---you just simply go along with what the liberal media says, take it as gosple, and then spew as if you're an authority. More taxes, gun control, no religion, global warming, the list goes on and on---you just mimick the liberal media. Liberals have some stuff right, but more of their ideas are based on JUST BEING OPPOSITE OF THE CONSERVATIVES--just like you much of the time. I am not against perhaps having to re-register your handguns in the same time period as a drivers license--and maybe even having to pass a test of your ability to responsibly own and care for a handgun, but to penalize owners is ridiculous. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 23, 2009 12:16 PM:

" "...their neighbor's yard and take something that they had out because they don't enjoy it."

Somebody will have to explain this one with its loose and unclear use of the word "they" -- Neighbor A walked into the yard of Neighbor B and took something -- so far, so good -- that they (Neighbor A of B?) had out because they (Neighbor A or B?) don't enjoy it?

Did neighbor B leave something in his yard because he didn't enjoy it? Or did Neighbor A take something Neighbor B left out because Neighbor A didn't "enjoy" it?

Here is a concrete example of how careless use of pronouns (poor grammar) leads to a lack of communication -- anyone reading that post cannot tell what the poster's meaning is. "

NoHope wrote on Apr 23, 2009 11:55 AM:

" Typical response from a typical left-wing radical. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 23, 2009 10:52 AM:

" More NRA-inspired paranoia, I see.

What a silly world these people live in. "

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