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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:42 AM EST

I agree that the DPW thefts should not be swept under the rug and be anonymous, because thefts are thefts and there's no way around it. They should have their names printed, so the innocent won't have to suffer needlessly.



To all of your drivers that don't put your lights on: This is not so you can see better. It is so other people can see you sooner and get out of your way.

The two former DPW employees should be arrested, the ones with the backflow meters.

If Indian land is considered another nation, how do Nazi New York judges, lawyers, politicians and bureaucrats get away with taking them? Reasonable regulations and taxes are destroying America.




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movedsouth wrote on Mar 4, 2009 8:31 AM:

" CNN report on Northwest serving peanuts on flights. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSGOGAOiiJQ "

movedsouth wrote on Mar 4, 2009 8:18 AM:

" Treasury Secretary is going to target TAX EVADERS, boy if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black. Disgusting, it's like spitting in the eye of every American citizen that pays taxes. "

anonymous wrote on Mar 4, 2009 12:45 AM:

" What do you think of Mike's latest?


Mike Reagan: Obama's spending plan will only hurt economyBy: Mike Reagan

Friday, February 27, 2009 11:49 PM EST

The swooning media were enraptured by President Barack Obama's soaring rhetoric in Tuesday night's address to Congress despite the speech's total lack of substance. They never bothered to ask “Where's the beef?” in all those oratorical flourishes.
In this case the beef is the money it will take to pay for his grandiose plans and programs, and that money is allegedly lining the pockets of those who dare to earn $250,000 or more a year.

No matter that if you took every last cent of their earnings you would still not have enough to begin to pay for the ultra-exorbitant spending agenda he laid out in his speech. The bill for that extravagance will be paid by our children and grandchildren.

As he described it, only those in the $250,000 and above bracket will see their taxes increased. They will pay for such programs as government-run universal health care and education. The other 95 percent of the people, many of whom don't pay a penny in taxes, will get checks in the mail - rebates for taxes they don't pay.

What this means is that the top 2 percent will nearly carry the full load while the bottom 95 percent will live nearly tax free, thus guaranteeing Obama their undying support and their votes.

He is trying to maneuver that 95 percent into supporting taxing the top two percent to pay for everything they'll get.

Obama is deliberately attempting to create an economic system where more people live off the government than by their own efforts, thus creating a permanent underclass utterly dependent upon the largesse of the government and therefore ever-beholden to it.

This gigantic voting bloc can be depended upon to march obediently to the polls and vote to place the full financial burden on the top 2 percent of American wage earners.

During George Bush's administration the president allowed the war to get in his way of vetoing anything coming out of Congress no matter what it cost.

He so needed the support of Congress for the war that he allowed them to engage in an (WORD RESTRICTED BY CITIZEN POST REVIEW SOFTWARE> of unrestrained spending.

This took the traditional Republican issues of lower taxes and less government spending off the table, leaving the GOP with the stigma of fiscal irresponsibility.

That makes it difficult for the GOP to claim they are the nation's guardians of financial responsibility even when faced with an outrageous bill in the House with a price tag of $400 billion that is loaded with 9,000 earmarks. That's 3,000 more earmarks than were in the spending bill that got George Bush in trouble.

Yet President Obama, who claims to be a dedicated foe of earmarks, says he'll sign that pork-laden bill because he wants the support of Congress for all the burdens he wants to put on the backs of the top 2 percent of Americans.

In his speech the President laid the blame for the budget deficit on the past administration, blithely ignoring the fact that it was his party that controlled the Congress that rolled up that deficit since winning control of Capitol Hill in 2006. They were running the show that produced that deficit and that's where the blame lies.

From now on, the blame for huge unfunded deficits, borrowing from future generations - Sen. John McCain calls it “generational theft” - and the economy-deadening taxation of the productive sector will lie squarely on the shoulders of Barack Obama.

Mike Reagan, the elder son of the late President Ronald Reagan, is heard on radio stations nationally as part of American Family Radio. He can be contacted at reagan@caglecartoons.com "

karl the 2nd wrote on Mar 3, 2009 10:45 PM:

" movedsouth, you make me laugh.

You can't even admit the obvious. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Mar 3, 2009 10:38 PM:

" You're right, Karl, but that one gave me an opening for one of my favorite hobby horses, so I jumped on it.

I know I posted something at the time (Jul-Aug) I was buying my house, but I was shocked at what the bank told me I could afford. I am pretty well educated and spent a lot of time trying to figure it out, but honestly, if you've never owned a home before, it's very confusing and bewildering. I went in thinking I would rely on the bank to let me know how much I could afford (on what turned out to be a totally erroneous assumption that they wouldn't take the risk of lending more than a borrower could reasonably manage). Fortunately for me, I did my own homework, but someone without my resources could very easily fall into a trap.

Even so, I set a very conservative amount I felt I could afford -- and found no houses in that range which weren't falling apart. (OK, there was ONE, but it was smack-tight up against the road in King Ferry where there is heavy traffic and I didn't want to have my pets there).

I came under heavy pressure to increase the maximum price I was willing to consider. After going over and over and over my projected finances, I decided I could go up another $20,000 -- and that's when this house came into range -- it had come down from closer to $30,000 over my original max, and I bid lower still and got it for exactly my absolute max because the family had already moved and really wanted to sell fast.

It has turned out that I COULD afford that $20,000 more about which I was pretty nervous -- but I couldn't really tell for sure until the deal all went through. I am not especially good with financial calculations.

So, I made out OK, but I can see where it would be very easy for someone to make a mistake at the point of purchase and end up in trouble, not to mention what happens to people whose financial situation changes drastically through loss of employment, unexpected health problems, etc.

Sure, buyer beware, but banks should not be allowed to lend to people who really can't afford to pay back the loans -- it just plain should not be allowed. "

movedsouth wrote on Mar 3, 2009 8:28 PM:

" "
I have to ask you, ms--now seriously, think about this-- given the Repub's well-reported penchant for scandal, how many Repubs do you think would be shown to have the SAME "tax problems" if they were put to the scrutiny of being appointed to a higher post?" NONE!! Remember karl, this vetting process is not new. DO YOU THINK IT IS RIGHT THAT OBAMA IS HIRING CROOKS? "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Mar 3, 2009 8:15 PM:

" anonymous wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:28 PM:
" IF you cant make a living at it, you shouldn't do it. There are many profitable farmers. "

You are right, there are profitable farmers, and if the other farmers give up their profession, what do you think that would do to the agriculture market???

Open your mind, please!!! You need sunlight. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Mar 3, 2009 8:12 PM:

" 8 out of the top 10 earmark-getters in the new budget bill were REPUBLICANS.

Chew on that factoid. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Mar 3, 2009 8:11 PM:

" I have to ask a SERIOUS question--have you guys EVER seen a more pathetic and sickening sight than the SPINELESS, ARSE-KISSING WIMPS in the No Party kowtowing and kneeling before the obese King Hypocrite, Rush Limpbaaaah?!

I mean, really--is there NO DIGNITY in the likes of Michael Steels, Bobby Jindal, or any of the other SPINELESS WIMPS who are falling over themselves to kiss this loser's fat A$$?!

How utterly, completely embarrassing! It;s like watching the French generals of WWII! "

karl the 2nd wrote on Mar 3, 2009 8:07 PM:

" LOL, movedsouth--I didn't think you'd have an answer to my query Bout the corrupt Republicans. Geez, even when I ask the question nice, you got nuthin?

AREN'T YOU MAN ENOUGH TO ANSWER THE QUESTION?! "

Gator wrote on Mar 3, 2009 8:02 PM:

" Ok before I start here let me claim ignorance... Many of the people who are in need of help bought houses they were not able to afford (yes the bank gave them money) but I do think we are all smart enough to know what payment we are or are not capable of paying. Yet this stimulus package is borrowing trillions of dollars from China (with interest). I don't understand how this is helping the US. I work for a company that received 80M in stimulus, we will hire designers to help us meet or goals of spending the money, but this will be temporary hires only. We must meet a deadline to have or construction designs met by a specific date but we will not require the additional help to actually do the work. Now tell me how that has helped the economy. "

movedsouth wrote on Mar 3, 2009 6:45 PM:

" STIMULUS BILL

One Big Arse Mistake America "

movedsouth wrote on Mar 3, 2009 6:36 PM:

" NL, get the wiring done and you can have all 6 hooked up, I've done it. If they run the wire, they have to charge you. "

movedsouth wrote on Mar 3, 2009 6:12 PM:

" I am still in shock, karl admitting defeat! He couldn't dispute Obama hiring crooks, and THIS "I have to ask you, ms--now seriously, think about this-- given the Repub's well-reported penchant for scandal, how many Repubs do you think would be shown to have the SAME "tax problems" if they were put to the scrutiny of being appointed to a higher post?" it must be that the vetting process just started this term. karl, did you find God? "If he/she posts something truly objectionable or appropriate out of his desperation for recognition and validation", I thought karl was talking about himself! "

anonymous wrote on Mar 3, 2009 6:02 PM:

" Did you all see this?

Interesting:


Jeremy Boyer: Surveys give you chance to interactBy Jeremy Boyer

Monday, March 2, 2009 11:01 PM EST

For a couple of years now, we've been posting an survey question at our Web site, auburnpub.com, that typically asks readers their opinion about an issue in the news. It's a popular feature that typically generates hundreds of responses of votes.
Based on a few phone calls and e-mails we received, the question we posted from late Thursday through Monday nights generated a few first-time voters. The online poll had asked people their opinion, for or against, concerning the possible privatization of the Cayuga County home health care service. (For the record, 68 percent of respondents were against privatizing as of 5 p.m. Monday - check page A2 for the final results.)

One caller was concerned that the poll was some sort of official survey, presumably from the county. She was worried that people without computers, which included herself, wouldn't have any input.

We assured the caller that the question was merely an informal question that we posted, just as all the questions are. They are not scientific by any means, but they do show an interesting snapshot of opinion. I can't say for sure whether decision-makers pay much attention to them, but my guess is that at least glance at the results of questions related to decisions they must make.

I got another e-mail from a reader who doesn't visit the Web site too often. This person was frustrated because the poll question appeared to be missing. My guess is this reader probably just needed to scroll down to the bottom of the home page because that's where the poll question is located, under the heading “The Citizen Voting Booth.” Hopefully she received my response and was able to cast her vote.

The poll question is just one of several ways we encourage readers to interact with and even add content to the news products we provide. In print, there are letters to the editor and community-submitted photos, along with birth, wedding, engagement and anniversary announcements. Online, there are story comments, the Your Photos gallery and the Two Cents forum.

The poll question is changed late Monday night and late Thursday, and we publish the results from the previous poll in the print edition on page A2, at the bottom of the box that features the current question. If you want to see the real-time survey results, just click on the “View Results” link right next to the voting tab on the Web site.

We offer questions touching mostly on local and state topics, but occasionally a national issue might appear. If you have any to suggest, feel free to send them my way. "

anonymous wrote on Mar 3, 2009 6:00 PM:

" Like others, I am going to begin monopolizing thisw site. Here is an interesting article I found. Check it out:



By Christopher Caskey / The Citizen

Monday, March 2, 2009 11:01 PM EST

Sometimes you just need to know that you're not the only one dealing with something. That is what the evening meetings held at St. Luke's Church are all about for Kim Blaisdell, her father and her 18-year-old son, Josh.
Chet Susslin / The Citizen
Joshua Blaisdell, 18, stands at the edge of the woods behind his Conquest home on Thursday night. Blaisdell often walks the woods to ground himself during an episode associated with his bipolar disorder. The three attend a support group for individuals who are dealing with depression and bipolar disorders in any capacity. The three have attended every meeting, since Kim started the group in January and serves as its leader and facilitator.

The group has been off to a slow start, she says, and a handful of people are showing up week to week. But Kim Blaisdell said she expects it to grow as more people become aware and seek out a place to get information, or just plain vent.

“I think people should be able to talk and be comfortable,” Kim said. “Awareness about this. ... it needs to be out there.”

Kim started the group, which is associated with the Depression and Bipolar Support Alliance, after she attended a similar group in Syracuse with Josh for a few months in the fall.

Josh was diagnosed with bipolar disorder when he was in the eighth grade. The condition has affected his behavior for years, and he takes daily medication to help stabilize his moods.

But the support group has also played a major roll in how he works through his condition, Josh said. When he is around others and able to talk with people who deal with the same day-to-day issues, he knows he is not alone.

"You see that other people are in the same shoes," said Josh, who is an avid outdoorsman who often takes walks in the woods behind his Port Byron area home.

During the Tuesday sessions, which are held at St. Luke's Church in Auburn, attendees are able to talk freely about anything they wish. Topics covered include work, school, family, medication, specific health care establishments, and general lows and highs during the previous weeks.

Each person is asked to share if he or she wishes, with others in the group offering suggestions or support with any concerns that are brought up.

The meetings are not designed to serve as or replace therapy, Kim Blaisdell said at a recent session. They are supposed to be a place and time to share information and get some things of your chest, she said.

"I don't want people to be afraid (to talk about) these things," she added.

Though they often share symptoms, bipolar disorder and clinical depression differ significantly in certain areas. According to the Depression and Bipolar Support Alliance, bipolar individuals can experience highs where they have increased energy and heightened moods followed by sweeping lows marked by depression and indifference.

The conditions are treatable, though there is a lot of misinformation about both. Josh Blaisdell said the most common misconceptions he has seen are from people who instantly label him as a bad kid or "wild child."

But being able to talk and share with others over the last few months about his struggles helped him become more comfortable with himself.

"I'm not going to try and be someone I'm not just to fit in," Josh said. "

anonymous wrote on Mar 3, 2009 5:52 PM:

" I APPRECIATE YOUR IGNORANCE, KARLA! "

anonymous wrote on Mar 3, 2009 5:51 PM:

" ATTENTION MORONS: KNIVES ARE WEAPONS. "

movedsouth wrote on Mar 3, 2009 4:48 PM:

" karl, do you know the difference between fact and speculation? You make me laugh! "

karl the 2nd wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:49 PM:

" Farmer's Gal--I have a suggestion.
Let's consign "anonymous" to irrelevance ad oblivion.

I have sworn myself to ignore his/her posts from henceforth.

If he/she posts something truly objectionable or appropriate out of his desperation for recognition and validation, I will not hesitate to call an editor directly and request that his posts be censored, or his IP banned.

This person is a CLASSIC "Troll"--a person with absolutely nothing whatsoever to offer a forum or an argument--not wisdom, commentary, or insight. Only rancor and "post-baiting"--DON'T TAKE THE BAIT.

IGNORE THE CHILD. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:45 PM:

" movedsouth...LOL!

I have to ask you, ms--now seriously, think about this-- given the Repub's well-reported penchant for scandal, how many Repubs do you think would be shown to have the SAME "tax problems" if they were put to the scrutiny of being appointed to a higher post?

Honestly--the people getting their butts in hot water were formerly of the same status as any one of them. Don't throw stones--your party can't afford you to. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:33 PM:

" Farmer Guy follows the rule of his father -- neither of them ever took the "free" hand-outs from the government. It's one of the reasons they never grew corn for profit on their farm -- because around here, you cannot make a profit on corn unless you take the subsidy.

As I've often said, the big corporate agribusinesses, which don't NEED government assistance, take the largest share of hand-outs because the amount a farm gets is dependent on how much they produce. So, the little truly family farms (not farm corporations which happen to be owned by families but where the work is almost all done by immigrant laborers) which could really USE some assistance get little to none, and big (agri-)business gets the aid. As usual. The well-to-do get wealthier and the struggling working class gets scr*wed. "

anonymous wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:28 PM:

" IF you cant make a living at it, you shouldn't do it. There are many profitable farmers. "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:08 PM:

" anonymous wrote on Mar 3, 2009 2:23 PM:
" Farmers are always looking out for free money from the government. "

Have you ever been a farmer??? Do you know anything about their business???

I would say NO to both questions. Try to make a living doing it. I am sure you will be amazed! "

nature lover wrote on Mar 3, 2009 2:24 PM:

" welp Karl...I called cable & said that I want all 6 of my tvs connected to cable if they ae gonna continue to rate increase me to death. He took info down for a research claim?! & I would recieve a phone call w/their determination in about a week. This house is huge but its all one place. Said we bought those tarded antenaes and converters but that aint happening. So ty for getting me off my butt w/them...will keep posted on the outcome "

anonymous wrote on Mar 3, 2009 2:23 PM:

" Farmers are always looking out for free money from the government. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Mar 3, 2009 12:36 PM:

" Here's an interesting tax tidbit: if you are a new homeowner and you bought a house in 2008, right up to 31 Dec 2008, you can get this so-called tax credit -- except it isn't a credit, it's a loan and you have to pay it back, either directly or through having your tax return reduced each year until it is paid off.

That offer was extended until April 2009.

BUT -- just recently it was decided that this tax credit would be extended to new home owners who buy a house in 2009 -- and they WON'T have to pay it back.

So, if I bought a house that closed on the first business day in January, and filed my taxes promptly, and took the credit you have to pay back because this new thing wasn't in effect yet, would I be forgiven the repayment?

I hear there is a strong possibility that there may be a decision to reverse the policy for people who bought in 2008 -- but you can't count on it.

My tax lady told me if they change the deal, I can re-open my filing any time within 3 years and do it over so I could get the credit.

But what a mess! And how misleading to make people think they could have a "credit" when, in fact, they have to pay it back. That's like telmarketers.... "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Mar 3, 2009 12:31 PM:

" Over the years, we have financed the governments of many a terrorist-related faction, including Israeli terrorists. While I don't look particularly favorably upon Hamas, it may go some way towards evening the unbalance of our foreign policy in that region. "

movedsouth wrote on Mar 3, 2009 11:53 AM:

" "Despite President Obama’s promise that “If your family earns less than $250,000 a year, you will not see your taxes increase a single dime. I repeat: not one single dime,” his new budget raises 45 percent of its revenue from energy taxes that will be paid by everyone who fills a gas tank, pays an electric bill, or buys anything that was grown, shipped, or manufactured." "

movedsouth wrote on Mar 3, 2009 10:22 AM:

" "Lawmakers in both parties question Obama's call to reduce high-income earners' tax deductions for the interest on their house payments and for charitable contributions. Also drawing fire is his proposal to start taxing industries on their greenhouse gas pollution -- a move sure to raise consumers' electric rates." Electric rates and everything else. "

movedsouth wrote on Mar 3, 2009 10:04 AM:

" "WASHINGTON -- Ron Kirk, nominated as U.S. Trade Representative in the Obama administration, owes an estimated $10,000 in back taxes from earlier in the decade and has agreed to make his payments, the Senate Finance Committee said Monday.

The committee said the taxes arise from Kirk's handling of speaking fees that he donated to his alma mater, and for his deduction of the full cost of season tickets to the Dallas Mavericks professional basketball team.

The disclosure made the former Dallas mayor the latest in a string of top-level Obama administration appointees found to have underpaid their taxes, following Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and Tom Daschle, who withdrew as candidate for Health and Human Services secretary. Nancy Killefer, Obama's pick for chief performance officer, also bowed out amid tax problems." SEND ME YOUR THIEVES AND I WILL FILL MY CABINET. "

Andy b wrote on Mar 3, 2009 9:56 AM:

" Ok, I haven't wrote on here in a long while. A little tidbit I caught in the Post Standard or USA Today yesterday really got my blood boiling. We are giving the HAMAS led Palestinians $900 million. This is so wrong in so many ways. I'm ENRAGED by this and that is very hard to accomplish.

Discuss................. "

movedsouth wrote on Mar 3, 2009 9:46 AM:

" "" ...ignoring..... " FACTS?" "

movedsouth wrote on Mar 3, 2009 9:30 AM:

" FG, the "stupid comment" was correct, it WAS a stupid comment. That was probably the only one that did not understand your position on TV. Myself, I cannot picture myself without it. Entertainment, weather alert info, NASCAR, and Indycar, to mention a few. Many of the programs are "mindless TV", much needed in these times especially. Humor and reality programs are great. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Mar 3, 2009 9:03 AM:

" ...ignoring..... "

irishman23 wrote on Mar 3, 2009 8:47 AM:

" On the issue of the Polish Falcons...... how can the "bouncer" flag down nearby officers if he was inside doing his job? "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Mar 3, 2009 8:29 AM:

" I never claimed to have not watched any TV in 25 years -- I said I never HAD TV IN MY HOME for 28 years, and that's a fact. I stopped watching when I was 16, went away to college where I didn't have it, got married to someone who agreed with me about not having it, and still don't have it. About 6 years ago, I started going out to watch football on TV. I see it in the gym while I am working out (hard not to when they stick the TVs right in front of all the cardio machines) and I see football at Farmer Guy's -- I seldom see it otherwise and still do not have television broadcast into my home. "

anonymous wrote on Mar 3, 2009 8:10 AM:

" I APPRECIATE YOUR IGNORANCE. "

movedsouth wrote on Mar 3, 2009 6:36 AM:

" If you have the cable run, you can hook up as many TVs as you want for the same price. The last time I had cable installed in a house, the installer asked how many outlets I wanted. I had 6. Nowadays it's the HD and/or digital boxes the cost extra. "

daydreamer wrote on Mar 3, 2009 6:21 AM:

" I'm sorry, but I just have to make a stupid comment. The poster that claimed to have never watched t.v. in 25 years has finally come out of the closet. "

theking wrote on Mar 2, 2009 9:23 PM:

" ADD Him to the list.
WASHINGTON -- Ron Kirk, nominated as U.S. Trade Representative in the Obama administration, owes an estimated $10,000 in back taxes from earlier in the decade and has agreed to make his payments, the Senate Finance Committee said Monday. "

excnyer wrote on Mar 2, 2009 7:51 PM:

" Prior to leaving Auburn back in May 07, I had Direct TV. I was sick and tired of cable always changing rates and stations. Direct TV was the way to go! It was cheaper than cable and they offered more stations for a rate lower than cable. Now, since being on the road, we pay $1 or two per day for cable in the parks that offer cable where "over the air" reception is bad. Our TV antenna picks up a lot of digital stations when we are not in a "secluded" area. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Mar 2, 2009 6:51 PM:

" nature lover--I don't know how many TVs that will cover; I have one TV, and that's it. I'm not sure about the added fees for extra TVs.

In any case, CALL THEM!!! COMPLAIN!!!!
DEMAND YOUR LOWER RATE!!!

Honestly-please don't just suck it up and not say anything--give 'em a piece of your mind and save yourself some $300.00 a year! "

Unknown... wrote on Mar 2, 2009 5:32 PM:

" Nature Lover, I have what Dish Network calls a "double receiver". It runs 2 tvs. Tv 1 is an IR operated remote, and tv 2 is a UHF operated remote. Both tvs operate independently from each other. Both have the DVR capability. If you wanted to run more than 2 tvs, you'd need an additional dish on the roof, I believe. When they installed mine, they put it in an inconspicious spot, and I got it covered. They did a great installation. I have coupons for free installation too, if you want one!! And, Dish Network is a very customer oriented company. If you have questions or a problem, they are right there to help. And they have great instructional avenues for you. "

nature lover wrote on Mar 2, 2009 5:02 PM:

" u prompted me karl to open my TW bill and yup there is yet ANOTHER flippin increase...and this house is so big they wont turn on the cable for a couple of my tvs w/o charging DOUBLE! If u can stand that crap. now unknown, strange thing, in with mail to open was a directtv flyer - i will have to read but wanted to know that fee u quote - how many tv's does that cover? "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 4:42 PM:

" In the days when my ex and I used to go out, and sometimes there'd be a band, we'd be po-ed because as soon as the band started up, we couldn't talk to each other without yelling ourselves hoarse. I like some music, even some rockin' music, but I also like to be able to carry on a conversation with the other people at my table. Even if I came to dance, I'd like to be able to hear when someone speaks to me.

You can't enjoy the music if you can't even discern a tune and it's just vibrating noise.

Obviously, I will have to invest in earplugs for my own quiet little home, no thanks to inconsiderate neighbors.

Sorry, born-in-bklyn -- nothing pops up, not if I hover all day. Here's my version of Firefox: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.6) Gecko/2009011913 Firefox/3.0.6 "

movedsouth wrote on Mar 2, 2009 4:40 PM:

" Funny thing, I just got my cable bill today. The 6 mos that I thought turned out to be 1 year. I got a notice saying that as agreed to, there will be a $3 increase. Doesn't look like it's any better than karl's 7.33, maybe a buck. Oh well, next year I'll go back to calling the retention dept. Bottom line is that they hold the trump card! Now the news of the day. AIG gets another $30B, stock market reacts by going down 300 pts., the lowest it's been since Clinton's second term, no comment. Obama is about to sign a spending bill of $410B with almost 9,000 earmarks. So much of this "line by line" crap. THIS FREE MONEY HAS TO STOP! Let them fail, somebody will pick up the pieces. How long should we be bailing out these companies? How much, and how long, do you think it will take to BRING BACK Chrysler and GM? Raise taxes on the wealthy, you cannot come out of a recession by raising taxes. And anyone believing that $250,000 for a couple is wealthy is crazy. "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Mar 2, 2009 3:16 PM:

" Finally -- BLD -- what is with bands which play in teeny, tiny, itty-bitty little venues and still have their amps set to play a colliseum with thousands of screaming fans? The new owners of the bar around the corner (5 houses down and 2 past the corner) have started having bands in there periodically. They blast the place until 2 AM, which is really rough on this neighbor, who goes to bed at 8 PM and has no bedroom or couch in a room which doesn't face that direction. I ended up trying to sleep on the hard floor in my sewing room to get away from the booming which wasn't there when I moved in.

The thing is -- if you are in a 30x40 foot room, you probably don't need an amp at all. Anyone inside the building would not have been able to discern any music, but would rather just have been squashed by a wall of noise.

Why do bands DO that? It's not only inconsiderate of neighbors beyond the walls of the bar, but it spoils the enjoyment of the MUSIC for people inside. It's just plain dumb as well as annoying as all h*ll. "

FG, sorry to hear about your "neighbor". Music can be played at lower volumes. One reason why bands play loud, is because they want to impress the public, even if they sound terrible!!! A good volume where the mix is good and the bartenders and patrons can communicate is favorable. Patrons do like it louder than that because, with the introduction of alcohol makes it more fun! Dancers like to "feel" the music.

I do enjoy playing LOUD, but I know bartenders get a little PO'd about it. Outdoor gigs are good places to be loud, but in a bar volume can work against you; one example is feedback.

I have downsized my gear because I don't have a roadie and do not get paid enough to bring what I would like to. For the little pay bar bands get, it is easier to downsize. I used to play in stereo, 2- 4x10, 2 1x15 for speakers. It gave me a really good sound; especially with the effects I used. I at one time played 2- 8x10, 2- 2x15, and 2- 1x18. 8,000 watts(?), but lugging it to places was a pain. Still no roadie. I could be louder than both of our guitar players. But those were the young and fun days. With a good PA system, I could be loud and have a decent stage volume, like...oh, there's the drummer! And if you wonder, yes, I wear ear protection. "

born-in-bklyn wrote on Mar 2, 2009 2:11 PM:

" Just an fyi about firefox and facebook. All the functions to delete stuff you don't want on your wall are there with firefox, as I use firefox to get to my facebook page. I don't see how you can't see the edit key pop up. You don't need to get all into settings. And you can have private chats with friends without posting to your wall. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 1:50 PM:

" Farmer Guy has DirecTV and that's where I watch my football. He watches the Weather Channel (he IS a farmer, after all) and CNN.

Meanwhile, what's this with bowling fans acting like football (i.e. soccer) hooligans?!??

Finally -- BLD -- what is with bands which play in teeny, tiny, itty-bitty little venues and still have their amps set to play a colliseum with thousands of screaming fans? The new owners of the bar around the corner (5 houses down and 2 past the corner) have started having bands in there periodically. They blast the place until 2 AM, which is really rough on this neighbor, who goes to bed at 8 PM and has no bedroom or couch in a room which doesn't face that direction. I ended up trying to sleep on the hard floor in my sewing room to get away from the booming which wasn't there when I moved in.

The thing is -- if you are in a 30x40 foot room, you probably don't need an amp at all. Anyone inside the building would not have been able to discern any music, but would rather just have been squashed by a wall of noise.

Why do bands DO that? It's not only inconsiderate of neighbors beyond the walls of the bar, but it spoils the enjoyment of the MUSIC for people inside. It's just plain dumb as well as annoying as all h*ll. "

Unknown... wrote on Mar 2, 2009 12:28 PM:

" I have been saying for over a year that if you get Dish Network you will be paying less. TW is all about rate increases. And I got the NFL Network, too. Direct TV is good, but with them, if you want the Syracuse channels, they have to put up 2 dishes. With Dish Network, only one. I got a DVR, and the 200 channel package, I'm only paying a little over $50/mo. Think I miss TW?? I couldn't wait to call them to cancel, and I haven't looked back since. It's been over 2 years now. "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Mar 2, 2009 12:20 PM:

" What was going on at the Polish Falcons??????


Also, I am relieved to know that I did not blow my amp at my last gig!!! Instead, I blew the Crossover pad on my Speaker Cabinet!!! Time to rewire!!! I HATE built in crossovers! Nothing but a headache! "

movedsouth wrote on Mar 2, 2009 12:12 PM:

" TW can always offer a special rate even if you don't lock in for 2 years. Call the retention dept and see what they have. If you don't lock in for 2 years, you are able to get another special 1 month after you pay the regular rate. I have been locked in for about 6 mos., my bill went up $3 for the increase in the DVR which is not included in the lock in rate. They'll still get you. Not sure about the ala carte, maybe that could turn around and bite you. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 12:09 PM:

" (Although, to confess the truth, if I could have the NFL only, all the games every week, nothing else, no base package, no movies, news, weather, just football during the season -- for a REASONABLE price, I might be tempted to hook up TV part of the year). "

FREBUS49 wrote on Mar 2, 2009 12:08 PM:

" Get Direct TV, much less expensive. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 12:08 PM:

" Dump your TV Karl, and save yourself a bundle.

Just in -- new survey shows the most-ticketed vehicle in America -- the Hummer!

Least ticketed are mostly Chevy and Buick. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Mar 2, 2009 12:00 PM:

" Sorry--don't know what happened there; back to the Time Warner outrage...

So, ANOTHER $7.33 RATE INCREASE!?!

If you're SICK of these rate increases, CALL TIME WARNER AND COMPLAIN!! 315-634-6010 Tell them that you're outraged about the new rate increases. They will ONLY THEN offer you a "lock in" rate for two years at $119.00--which, with taxes, will be $127.07/month instead of $146.50.

Then when you're done doing that, take two minutes to email or write Governor Patterson and tell him to do something about increasing cable rates! TELL HIM TO LET US CHOOSE OUR CHANNELS "ALA CARTE"!

http://www.ny.gov/governor/contact/index.html

To Write To The Governor:
David A. Paterson
State Capitol
Albany, NY 12224 "

karl the 2nd wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:49 AM:

" OK, people--LISTEN UP!!

MONEY SAVING TIP!!!!!

I just got my Time Warner bill for the month and found, yet again, ANOTHER $7.33 RATE INCREASE!!!! "

CayCntyLifer wrote on Mar 1, 2009 9:00 PM:

" ignoring... "

anonymous wrote on Mar 1, 2009 6:46 PM:

" Nice attempt at a save, KARLA.

GOING CLUBBING TONIGHT, OR ARE YOU STICKING WITH THE TV AT HOME? "

the bone wrote on Mar 1, 2009 5:18 PM:

" Let the name calling stop. Lets start to listen and understand what the other other one is saying. As we listen use what God gave us to understand. "

CayCntyLifer wrote on Mar 1, 2009 5:14 PM:

" And if you guys wanted to really annoy "anonymous", you'd simply stop responding to him, just skip right over his posts... "

CayCntyLifer wrote on Mar 1, 2009 5:12 PM:

" Who's afraid of orchard st.??? We live in Auburn, NY. Not Compton, not NYC, Not even Rochester... Relax. Some of you are quite amusing. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Mar 1, 2009 3:19 PM:

" It's OK, brew -- it's been a while since this came up and my memory is fuzzy. I'll gladly pass the baton and let you duke it out with the .... I'll refrain from using bad language here. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Mar 1, 2009 2:52 PM:

" P.S. I love to be back in touch with old friends and they can chat with me (and me with them) all they want -- via e-mail, where our conversations are not posted for the whole world to read, the way students at college talk about their private stuff on their cell phones in public spaces where the rest of us really don't want to hear the gorey details. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Mar 1, 2009 2:50 PM:

" Thanks, nature, but it must be a browser-specfic app. I am using Firefox and I can rest my mouse all over the offending links all day and nothing pops up, menu or otherwise.

I tried it as they are displayed from the "Home" view, then I clicked the "Links" tab and tried it from how they are displayed there -- and absolutely nothing happens when I mouseover, even when I hover for a long time.

"Settings," a selection on the menu bar between my name and "Logout," takes me to a whole big section will a lot of different setting. (I can click that or use mouseover to get the menu of Account Settings, Privacy Settings, Application Settings). I dug all around and finally, under Applications, I found a place that says it will let me edit links -- but all it does is give me options under a tab called "Wall" to "Prompt me before publishing any stories from Posted Items" -- or just allow them, or never allow them -- I can't tell if this means posts to the Wall, or the Links things, which are separate. I'm going to try the "prompt me first" setting and see if it helps -- but I still can't delete the junk on the page so far.

The functionality is about as clear as mud, which is no fault of yours.

I agree that it is a useful tool for finding people with whom you've lost touch. I suspect it's going to be very valuable for people who are out of work, trying to network with anyone and everyone they know as they try to find a new job. But I do not find it the least bit user friendly.

Thanks again for taking the time to try to help me figure it out. If I ever hear back from their tech support with an answer, I'll let you know! "

brew1234 wrote on Mar 1, 2009 2:49 PM:

" Anonymoose, you may be the most ignorant and insensitive person I have dealt with on the internet.

FG, NYS traffic law does not require you to stop if hitting a domestic or wild animal but you are required to report it to police in an accident report. This of course does not dictate what is ethical. Please excuse me for including you in the same post with vermin such as anonymoose. I rarely attack an individual but he is just too much for me to ignore. "

movedsouth wrote on Mar 1, 2009 2:10 PM:

" At 2 in the morning, I'd be satisfied with calling the police. The only way I would go in those places is with my CCP! "

nature lover wrote on Mar 1, 2009 1:51 PM:

" FG as stated earlier on your wall if you rest yor cursor just beside the offensive link a small box will appear saying 'edit' to give u the opt to delete that off your wall...and for further no posts let your cursor rest on the upper right word 'settings'. u will get 3 choices there and click on the privacy settings u can avoid posting to your wall there also look at application settings as with both of these you s/b able to restrict much...FB is great for a 'gathering place' as u put it but for me it allows me to link back with people from my past - we all have had busy lives after college in creating life and a career and now it seems that as u age people want to rekindle...and posting pics or simple hi yas of how things are now etc updts them and u..whats the sense in being 'found' if people can't chat w/u once in a while...theres a big world out there... "

karl the 2nd wrote on Mar 1, 2009 1:41 PM:

" movedsouth, I would go into at least four houses on Orchard Street to find the owners. You can count on it. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Mar 1, 2009 1:40 PM:

" Oh by the way, snonymoose, "Knives are weapons"

I thought I should tell you that, based upon your own advice. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Mar 1, 2009 1:39 PM:

" anonymoose, it may interest all here to know that I didn't even know what "NAMBLA" was until you mentioned it--I had to "Wiki" it.

Here's what it said---

"The North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) is a New York City and San Francisco-based unincorporated organization in the United States that advocates the liberalisation of laws against sexual relations between adult and minor males - resolving to "end the oppression of men and boys who have freely chosen mutually consenting relationships"

ANONYMOOSE-I ASK YOU WITH ALL SERIOUSNESS--IS THERE SOMETHING WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT YOUR VIEWS CONCERNING YOUNG MALES?!

HOW WOULD YOU KNOW ABOUT SUCH A PERVERTED ORGANIZATION?!

Got something you want to tell us?!? "

movedsouth wrote on Mar 1, 2009 12:30 PM:

" An A and B+ student carrying a knife to school when the school implements a zero tolerance policy he continues to carry it. I guess he thought he was to be "grandfathered" or it didn't apply to him. I think he got an F. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Mar 1, 2009 12:21 PM:

" No, I haven't joined any groups. There are these things called "links" that other people have sent out and put on my page.

I am glad to have writing on my wall, or pokes or whatever. But I have one friend who sends me transsexual stuff (he used to be she when she went to Wells -- Nick is a friend and it doesn't really matter to me if Nick lives as a guy or a woman) and another who sends extreme neocon stuff (which I personally also often find offensive, though he's a family friend AND my lawyer), and another who sends "order Avon" stuff -- and I don't want ANY of it posted on MY page, and I especially don't want one friend getting p*ssed with me about another friend's links.

Posts on my wall are fine -- it's the "Links" I could do without.

Also, I'm not especially interested in using FB as a gathering place -- I don't ever logon unless someone writes to me. I joined because so many RL friend's kept sending me invitations and pestering me to have an account. So I did. People I haven't seen in years "find" me there -- that's nice. But I am still totally not interested in spending time on the site. I like it to help people find me -- then they can get in touch, send their e-mail and we can correspond in private.

Meanwhile, I am not interested in having THEIR interests plastered all over MY page. If I want to see their interests, I'll go to their pages, and leave mine to reflect me, not them.

But I can't find anywhere the ability to delete links posted by others to my page, nor the ability to block people from posting "links." "

anonymous wrote on Mar 1, 2009 11:48 AM:

" TELL THE MORON THAT KNIVES ARE WEAPONS. "

anonymous wrote on Mar 1, 2009 11:47 AM:

" KARL, I WAS ONLY POINTING OUT THAT YOU ADMIT YOUR CHILDISH BEHAVIOR.


I WILL NOW LET YOU GET BACK TO YOUR NAMBLA ACTIVITIES. "

WindsofChange wrote on Mar 1, 2009 11:39 AM:

" naturelover

I agree about the lag pay. 2 of their 4 unions are already lagged 2 weeks, all hourly are at least a week if not more depending on their department. Several more are still lagged from when the county had a lag in the early 90's. To want consistency across the board makes sense.
I've never worked anywhere that wasn't lagged at least a week - how can you submit information to pay someone a week inadvance if you don't know what they will actually be working? That's what they do for the complainers right now. The paycheck they recieve on a Friday morning actually contains their pay through Friday night. Talk about liability - someone quits on Tuesday after the pay has been submitted and gets their check friday for 4 days they didn't work - sign me up! "

movedsouth wrote on Mar 1, 2009 11:26 AM:

" BTW karl, I never said that I wouldn't stop of notify police, the issue was with responsibility. Again, you turn the issue into something else. "

movedsouth wrote on Mar 1, 2009 11:21 AM:

" karl, all you do is criticize and attack people. YOU NEVER ANSWER QUESTIONS BUT YOU EXPECT OTHERS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. How many houses would you go to at 2 AM on Orchard St. to find a pet owner?????????????? "

karl the 2nd wrote on Mar 1, 2009 11:05 AM:

" movedsouth, keep diggin' that hole, buddy,

I'm sure you and your anonymoose spouse there can find ten more reasons why it is acceptable to murder someone's best friend and just drive away like nothing has happened.

Ready?....GO! "

karl the 2nd wrote on Mar 1, 2009 11:03 AM:

" anonymous, ahem; I don't think that you are in any position to lecture anyone on "behavior", as yours is the most objectionable on this forum.

Just look at your juvenile habit of "shouting" in caps just because you think it will annoy someone.

Now THAT'S immature!! LOL! How the hypocrite is blind to their own hypocrisy! "

nature lover wrote on Mar 1, 2009 11:03 AM:

" ok subject change as want to continue the "lets not acknowledge the creep dog murderer"...

ok FG - FB - i dont understand how u can have 'links' on your FB wall posted by others - links are groups u have to actually join youself - there are many out there w/local flavor. Now if u r talking about comments made on your wall - simply move your curser to the area u wish removed and a little 'edit' will pop up - click that and u can chose delete. I have to honestly say though dont be so snotty about what friends are posting on your wall - FB is a people gathering and if u dont want to have friends that look at your wall hoping u will say at least a hi to them once in a while - then delete your FB acct. I can befriend u on FB if u wish just say so here....

ok topics that are troubling me: Tom Woods?!? What has become of him? He was SO dead on accurate of his play reviews! He will be sorely missed by me in particular.

#2: pay lag for county ee's?!? omg get a life people!! My spouses company did it - as did mine - we are now at a point where we owe the companies a week when direct deposit occurs. If thousands of ee's of two national corps can do it - take a deep breath now for this - U CAN TOO!!

#3 - WTH is with the cars plowing into houses as of late - the paper stated the recent one on cottage was the 4th in 2009?!? But I can recount MORE that occurred in 2008 also - this is something that n/t/b addressed asap!

So enjoy your Sunday, tkx BLD for that - hope MR doggy will like the cold and keep us posted!! "

anonymous wrote on Mar 1, 2009 10:21 AM:

" KARL, IT IS APPROPRIATE THAT YOU SING IN A VOICE THAT FITS YOUR BEHAVIOR.

REMEMBER, KNIVES ARE CONSIDERED WEAPONS. TEACH ALL THE MORONS YOU KNOW THIS FACT. "

movedsouth wrote on Mar 1, 2009 9:36 AM:

" Listen karl, the situation would dictate what action would be taken after accidentally killing a dog. 2 PM, you check to see if you can find owner, 2 AM on Orchard St, you call police and report it. If you think I would go house to house at 2 AM in a questionable neighborhood, think again, the police can handle it. How many people do you bother at 2 AM to find owner? Do you go after the owner to pay damages to your vehicle? You talk about dogs getting loose, how about the people that have them loose ALL the time? "

the bone wrote on Mar 1, 2009 8:02 AM:

" For the some of us,remember,its Lent. A time of renewal and working on your Spitirual side. Remember Jesus died for us. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Mar 1, 2009 7:58 AM:

" Right you are, nature -- that's usually MY advice -- guess I should follow it, LOL!

BTW, I only go to Facebook when someone contacts me that way -- it's not my thing. I have only 16 people "friended" on there and that's plenty. But I see several of them have been posting "links" on my page -- I don't like a lot of the links and want them off -- but I can't find anywhere to get rid of them. Facebook's so-called "help" is the most disorganized mess I've ever seen. I found instructions for deleting my OWN links (using a red "X" in the right corner), but there is no such "X" for the friends' links and I just want them gone, and I want them blocked from ever putting links on my page again. Writing on my "wall" or sending me a note, that's fine, but I don't want their stupid links on MY page. You spend a lot of time there -- how do I get rid of the garbage and prevent more from accumulating? "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 28, 2009 11:32 PM:

" "Comparing hitting a dog and a person is complete stupidity"--I COMPLETELY DISAGREE, movedsouth.

Killing is killing. Both are dead. Neither come back. Both turn to dust. Both leave heartaches to those who knew and loved them.
I find that attitude despicable--but not unexpected from you.

You're wrong, you're wrong, you're sooooo wrong again. (singing in childlike sing-song voice) "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Feb 28, 2009 10:43 PM:

" NL,
2 weeks before I leave!!!! SUPER EXCITED!!!!! Taking my Pit bull with me!!!! I used to make dash plates for classic cars. "

nature lover wrote on Feb 28, 2009 8:02 PM:

" Extending a happy Saturday nite to y'all but I c the criping just continues...omg anonymous just n/t/b banned from this as a chronic agitator. was called out several times b4 for the heartless killing of a dog driving the car too fast. too important to stop. movedsouth honestly stop defending someone u dont know. karl and FG ignor the creep - he does not exist. So enjoying facebook to all ends - so many are joining daily - seems the idea of reaching out to friends is making a comeback. BLD - time is nearing - r u excited? I was confused about your one post a few ago - u collected vintage cars? Now do u have pets that will be making the move also? CM - so sorry about the ex - again another creep that cant get past himself - so sad how ignorant and heartless some can be and especially when there is a daughter involved. Welp, enjoy your nites - crack a bottle if u havent already and enjoy life!! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 28, 2009 7:25 PM:

" We've had this discussion before and determined that it is actually the law that requires a person to stop if they have hit an animal which is likely to have been someone's pet, regardless of who is responsible. "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 28, 2009 7:24 PM:

" "as well as they slapped the cuffs on you" STUPIDITY karl STUPIDITY. I once drove a 19,000 lb truck and a YOUNG woman stepped out, from between two cars, in front of me. No contact, but it scared 2 people. Had there been injury of death, I don't think they would have "slapped the cuffs on" me. As usual, your post makes no sense. "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 28, 2009 7:09 PM:

" "--DO YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU ARE STANDING TO DEFEND?! THE COWARDLY KILLING OF AN ANIMAL?" I guess it would be an honorable killing of a dog if you stop. Maybe the right thing to do would be to stop, offer condolences, and ask how they would like to pay for the vehicle damage. Comparing hitting a dog and a person is complete stupidity. "man enough" this karl! "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 28, 2009 6:43 PM:

" Movedsouth--I agree 100% with you that it is the owner's responsibility to protect the pet. No argument there.

However, pets dig out. Pets get loose. Pets can be REMARKABLY crafty and MUCH smarter than people give them credit for--ever see the dogs on America's Funniest Video's that use chairs to get to the food up on the counter? Ever see that dog who climbed about twelve feet up the side of the chain-link enclosure and GOT OUT?!

Blindly repeating the mantra of "personal responsibility" like it's some shield for your guilty conscience to hide behind doesn't change this fact; IF YOU HIT A PET, YOU SHOULD BE "MAN ENOUGH" TO STOP.

It's what a "man" would do. It's what a DECENT HUMAN BEING would do.

It just struck me as so unbelievably ridiculous that I just laughed out loud in ironic disgust--DO YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU ARE STANDING TO DEFEND?! THE COWARDLY KILLING OF AN ANIMAL?

Guess what, people? My friend's grandmother had Alzheiner's, and she used to wander outside in the street too, until they realized and had her properly diagnosed and secured. I guess that if you flipped her over the hood of your car, you'd scream "PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!" as well as they slapped the cuffs on you? (snicker!)

Honestly, think of what a nice name you are making for yourself here! You're defending the cowardly killing of an animal, a beloved pet, without having even an OUNCE of compassion, responsibility, or COMMON HUMAN DECENCY.

Excuse me; I have to puke now. "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 28, 2009 6:22 PM:

" BTW karl, my daughter and son-in-law knew an owner of a pet supply store that went bankrupt. We were able to deliver 4 1/2 TONS of dog and cat food several hundred miles to pet rescue centers. The food was free, but all other expenses incurred were paid by the kids. My daughter is very active in a regional dog rescue group. They believe 100% that the pet owner is responsible for the safety of their pet. Stopping would be dependent on the situation. karl, you're driving a truck with a 48' trailer on a highway, dog runs out and gets killed. Are you going to pull your truck off the road and go back and look for the owner? "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 28, 2009 6:08 PM:

" No karl, it's not a guilty conscience.
People that truly love their pets understand that its THEIR responsibility to PROTECT their pet. As I have said before, myself and my kids would not blame anyone that killed or injured our pets if they were free in the road. I have had a dog get free and go far enough from home that neighbors, at that site, would not know who owns the dog. Stopping and finding out that no one knows the dog's owner is would be the same as not stopping. The only person satisfied would be the driver. Odds of having the person notified there when you picked up your dog would be slim to none. karl, don't you think that it is the PRIMARY responsibility of the pet owner for the safety of the pet? Lay your bike down because of a dog, and see how you feel. See how you feel after you pay to repair your bike and possibly pay hospital bills with the insurance you don't have. "

the bone wrote on Feb 28, 2009 6:04 PM:

" KARL,
Come on, dogs/cats and taxes/poor go hand in hand as morals !! I dont think so "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 28, 2009 6:02 PM:

" Whether he really hit and killed a dog and didn't stop, or whether he just says he WOULD, his callous heartlessness shows clearly -- in this and other attitudes s/he has expressed. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 28, 2009 5:55 PM:

" I guess you've never seen the research demonstrating why it is more difficult for the eye to scan lines written in all caps. With the exception of Angmom, who uses all caps for herself due to visual impairment, I find most users of all caps are either ignorant or obnoxious -- or both. It certainly is inconsiderate, and mostly it means fewer people will bother to read what you have to say because it takes more work to pick it out.

I suppose if you read slowly enough that you are actually pronouncing each word in your head as you read it, all caps wouldn't slow you down at all. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 28, 2009 5:15 PM:

" movedsouth, he can deny it all he wants. And you can stroke him too, if it pleases you, but there's only one reason in the world why a person would defend, and look for justifications for why a driver who kills a family pet wouldn't stop and offer condolences.

A guilty conscience.

In any civilized society, by any standards of Decency or Honor, if a person is truly a respectable and moral, they would stop. They would be "man enough" to own up to it.

Perhaps you share a guilty conscience yourself?

Pathetic. But really; what should we expect from people who would rather give tax breaks to wealthy people than care for the Poor? I guess it goes hand-in-hand? "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 28, 2009 4:27 PM:

" karl, anonymous stated that he never ran over, killed, a dog------do you not understand that?
"karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 28, 2009 4:03 PM:
" movedsouth and anonymous--are you two married?

You should be... "


Sorry karl, NO, but after seeing your picture and your repeated "I went riding with my girlfriend" posts, maybe it's your style. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 28, 2009 4:03 PM:

" movedsouth and anonymous--are you two married?

You should be... "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 28, 2009 4:02 PM:

" Anonymoose, did you ever go back and apologize for that dog that you heartlessly ran over?

Just think of the little girl who lived there, tears in her eyes, burying her beloved little friend, crying herself to sleep?

Knowing that you, heartless and uncaring, wouldn't have thought any more of it than throwing your cheeseburger wrapper out the window.

"Deny, deny, deny"--that's the tactic, right?

N-O C-L-A-S-S "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 28, 2009 3:49 PM:

" HuMoR iS GoOd "

anonymous wrote on Feb 28, 2009 3:35 PM:

" I LIKE ALL CAPS BECAUSE IT FRUSTRATES THE SIMPLEMINDED. "

anonymous wrote on Feb 28, 2009 3:34 PM:

" IF I KNEW THAT IT BOTHERED YOU, I WOULD HAVE WRITTEN ALL OF MY POSTS IN ALL CAPS.

HERE IS A HINT, JUST BECAUSE THE LETTERS ARE UPPERCASE, THEY ARE STILL PRONOUNCED THE SAME WAY. DIDN'T YOUR LITERACY VOLUNTEER EXPLAIN THAT YET? "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 28, 2009 3:04 PM:

" Not much to read here today, since I am not willing to strain my eyes trying to pick out the words in posts written in all caps. Yawn. "

anonymous wrote on Feb 28, 2009 2:43 PM:

" Thank you movedsouth. With some MORONS, it is their way or wrong. "

the bone wrote on Feb 28, 2009 2:16 PM:

" anonymous wrote on Feb 28, 2009 12:01 PM:

" KARL, I NEVER RAN OVER A FAMILY PET. i STATED THAT I WOULD NOT STOP IF I DID. IF SOME MORON IS STUPID ENOUGHT TO LET THEIR PET RUN FREE, THAT IS ON THEM. A PERSON WHO RUNS IT OVER OWES THEM NOTHING.

IF ANYTHING, THEY SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGES TO THE VEHICLE.

AS FOR YOU AND YOUR RHETORIC, I USUALLT IGNORE MOST OF YOUR LONG WINDED, UNSUBSTANIATED ARGUMENTS. YOU AND YOUR FELLOW NAMBLA RAMBLERS SOUND LIKE BROKEN LETTERS. " 1st sometimes pets gets out without anyone knowing. No, I cant go on, because you won't understand what I'm trying to say. So go hit the dog or cat and justify it by your stupid reasons---Did I just agree with Karl---To many beers!!!!!!!! "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 28, 2009 1:31 PM:

" anonymous, I understand your point about pets in the road. Stopping after hitting a dog is iffy. If I killed a dog late at night on Orchard St., I would stop about 2 blocks down to check my car. Why would one want to take the abuse from someone ranting and raving that you just killed their dog? You would never explain that the dog shouldn't have been in the road in the first place. It is not the time or place to tell them that if they really cared for their pet, it wouldn't be loose. I've had dogs, my kids have dogs, and we ALL realize that if our dogs got loose and killed by a car, it would be our fault. That is life and that's the way it is. "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Feb 28, 2009 12:33 PM:

" Wouldn't you two prefer to settle this over a game of chess?? "

anonymous wrote on Feb 28, 2009 12:03 PM:

" IGNORANCE IS GENETIC. DID YOU GET YOURS FROM MOM OR DAD? "

anonymous wrote on Feb 28, 2009 12:02 PM:

" ONLY A MORON WOULD THINK A KNIFE SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A WEAPON. "

anonymous wrote on Feb 28, 2009 12:01 PM:

" KARL, I NEVER RAN OVER A FAMILY PET. i STATED THAT I WOULD NOT STOP IF I DID. IF SOME MORON IS STUPID ENOUGHT TO LET THEIR PET RUN FREE, THAT IS ON THEM. A PERSON WHO RUNS IT OVER OWES THEM NOTHING.

IF ANYTHING, THEY SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGES TO THE VEHICLE.

AS FOR YOU AND YOUR RHETORIC, I USUALLT IGNORE MOST OF YOUR LONG WINDED, UNSUBSTANIATED ARGUMENTS. YOU AND YOUR FELLOW NAMBLA RAMBLERS SOUND LIKE BROKEN LETTERS. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 28, 2009 11:26 AM:

" anonymoose, the reason we are in the crap we are in, is because of cowardly people like you who run over family pets and don't have the common decency to stop and inform the owners that you've just murdered their lifelong friend,

We just had a political party murder the dreams of our children, and too many people didn't have the courage to run up to the door of America and scream "STOP!"

Except myself, Farmer's Gal, and brew.

You "used to love this feature"?! --boy, you just can't help yourself coming back for more, can you? LOL! Methinks you protest too much, PetKiller! "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 28, 2009 10:38 AM:

" Did you guys catch the list of "speakers" at the Conservatuve "CPAC" conference going down this week? (You know--the big "Conservative People Are Crazy" conference where they get together to share delusions and come up with more bad ideas to ruin America?)

Get this--
The Disturbed Ann Coulter!
Mega-hypocrite Rush Windbag!
The Original Criminal Newt Ging-Rich!
and...wait for it....JOE THE PLUMBER!!!

HILARIOUS!! These are the voices behind the Conservative movement? These are the people that are going to lead the Conservative movement forward?!?

LOL! It's like putting the car in reverse and slamming on the gas!

Michael Steele is not the sharpest tool in the shed, either!

Hod help the country if this assemblage of blowhards and fools ever trick America into thinking they have anything worthwhile to say! "

anonymous wrote on Feb 28, 2009 10:21 AM:

" I TOO LOVE THIS CITY. I ALSO USED TO REALLY LOVE THIS FEATURE, BEFORE IT WAS HIJACKED BY KARLA AND HIS SPLIT PERSONALITIES OF FARMER'S GAL AND BREW. THE BLAB THE SAME RHETORIC DAY IN AND DAY OUT. "LIBERALS GOOD, CONSERVATIVES BAD." THERE IS A GROUP THINK MENTALITY THAT, REGARDLESS THE ISSUE, "THEIR" SIDE IS RIGHT. THAT IS PRECISELY THE REASON WE ARE IN THE CRAP WE ARE IN. "

brew1234 wrote on Feb 28, 2009 8:42 AM:

" The people that use the two cents forum determine the content. Who elected you to moderator of two cents content? "

i love the city wrote on Feb 28, 2009 2:51 AM:

" isn't there a political forum site you can go to? the two cents is for local discussion? Go tree hug somewhere else "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 27, 2009 5:56 PM:

" David, despite your assertions, no matter how adamant, you have to grant me the permission to believe reputable sources,--of which there are many on the internet--and to also place some stock in the words of the actual opposition there, whom you KNOW would trumpet what you allege given half the chance?!

I noticed you STILL didn't cite any source for your contention? Again,--do you have a source?!?!

And let me tell you this, David. A provision of funds for the salt marshes does NOT mean "a provision for the MOUSE". Your contention sounds suspiciously similar to an old, threadbare Repub tactic, which is to take a provision of a bill, and to use that fact alone (of there being an actual provision) to then allege some ridiculous or incendiary allegation of a proposed project--such as the allegation of a high-speed rail line to Las Vegas, when that money was ONLY marked for "Transportation"--which is a LEGITIMATE job-maker.

Sorry, but I'm not buying your guff. "

Bobbo wrote on Feb 27, 2009 5:11 PM:

" FG, i can't speak for david, but of course no one expects the disabled (my daughter is disabled) to work or go hungry. We capitalists just want able people to work and pay their fair share. The safety nets are disproportionately abused by far too many able people that feel they don't have to work or contribute. They have an arrogant sense of entitlement and are the 1st to complain that they don't get enough. I see it all day every day.

The problem with socializing more and more of our economy is that we become slaves to a true and absolute monopoly - the government. This is how we slowly give up our freedoms. This is how we go down without a bang, but a whimper. This is what our founding fathers feared. A slow progressive switch of power from the people to back to the overbearing government which they fought against.

Support the "Fair Tax", it will solve many of our economic problems. It is a consumption tax and will take power away from lobbyists and politicians. Its only one page of legislation compared to the 66,000 pages of IRS income tax laws designed to confuse and exhaust us into submission. "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Feb 27, 2009 3:36 PM:

" HAPPY FRIDAY!!!!!!!!
16 days left for me in California!!!! "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 27, 2009 1:14 PM:

" Rasmussen poll shows an approval rating of 60%, which is in line with recent past Presidents. Gallup is at 67% "

daviddelker wrote on Feb 27, 2009 1:07 PM:

" Karl---did you read what was typed, or just run off at the keyboard as usual---There was money earmarked for the preservation of the salt marsh wetlands----a pet project of Pelosi's because of the mouse. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 27, 2009 1:03 PM:

" David, what about my friend who's got a degenerative muscle disease? He's been in a wheelchair since I've known him (15-20 years), but gets progressively worse. He can no longer even speak. He used to be able to very slowly and painstakingly type out messages on a keyboard, but no longer has that level of motor control. He's actually a very intelligent guy with a dry wit and a passion for old movies -- nice-looking too. But he can't even lift a fork to his mouth -- and he's supposed to be assigned to a job (?!??!!??) in order to get his benefits?

No benefits for illegal aliens -- I agree completely, and what's more, NO SUBSIDIES to corporate agribusiness for housing and health care for their mostly illegal labor (that's why they take jobs away from American workers -- because these corporate factory farms can pay almost nothing because their workers don't have to pay their own rent/mortgage or health care as an American-born worker would have to do out of his salary).

But it is patently absurd to ask someone like my friend to work -- he has never been in any shape to hold any kind of job since I've known him. He did finish a college degree before he debilitated so much he truly couldn't do any work -- like I said, he's an intelligent guy -- but I can't think of any job he could possibly do -- he's got his hands full just getting himself through each day, with help. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 27, 2009 12:07 PM:

" By the way, David, here's what a spokesman for John B0NER himself said:

""There is no language in the bill that says this money will go to this project," Steel told the San Jose Mercury News. "There are large pots of money in the bill that go to various agencies. ONE OF THOSE AGENCIES SAID the salt marsh harvest mouse project is something we'd do IF YOU GAVE US THE MONEY."

Pelosi spokesman Drew Hamill agreed that FUNDING FOR THE MOUSE IS NOT IN THE BILL AND SAID SHE DID NOT LOBBY FOR IT TO BE ON ANY LIST."

Read it yourself:
http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_11696283?nclick_check=1 "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 27, 2009 12:00 PM:

" David, you want to reveal your sources for that outrageous, presumptive allegation about the mythical salt marsh mouse preservation program?

I did my research--and I didn't see one reputable source to back up your claims.

Lemme guess--the Drudge Report? Rush Limpbaaaaah? Sean Hannity?

It's no secret that these boneheads DESPISE Nancy Pelosi--they're targeting her because it's dangerous to target Obama, because of his near 70% approval ratings. But I'm not buying your story.

Furthermore, if it even DOES have an inkling of truth, I'm well-acquainted with process by which the RE-scums cherrypick and dissect an issue to find a kernel of inanity with which to inflame gullible voters. "

daviddelker wrote on Feb 27, 2009 9:45 AM:

" FLAT TAX------eliminate the IRS, and EVERYONE pay their fair share. The more you make, the more you pay in taxes. Those who cannot work, would receive a lifetime limit on benefits, and would be trained to work, even if it is for minimum wage, while the gubment would subsidize them. Can't lift? Can't walk? then a job can be assigned to you No increases in benefits for having more babies. No benefits for illegal aliens. Does this sound like a good start? Term limits. No more pork. Assign each local politician an oversite committee, so that they can truly represent their constituants, and be publically questioned before they go to Albany to speak for us. Make our politicians truly accountable for their actions. No more lifetime benefits for politicians. No more perks--gas, extensive staff, etc. They can take the job knowing what they are not going to get--I mean they ARE doing their job as a servant to the public, and not for their own selfish egos, right? "

daviddelker wrote on Feb 27, 2009 9:28 AM:

" The 30 some odd million that Pelosi tucked into the stimulus bill to help fund the protection the mouse and its habitat is entirely true---SHE HAS BEEN A "CHAMPION" OF PRESERVING THE HABITAT OF THE SALT MARSH MOUSE, WHICH COINCIDENTALLY RESIDES IN THE.....C'MON, THIS IS AN EASY ONE.........THE NAME OF IT IS CONTAINED WITHIN THE NAME OF THE ANIMAL SHE WOULD LAY HER LIFE DOWN FOR.......THATS RIGHT KIDS, THE SAN FRANCISCO SALT MARSH......... She tucked 30 mil into the bill for the salt marsh. Again, maybe it would create jobs---probably not. So, Karl, maybe you should do your research. Again---not one person has read the 1000 page plus stimulus bill in its entirety. Those that had some pork in it, certainly read just far enough to make sure their projects were funded. THIS BILL WAS TO CREATE JOBS, AND FREE UP MONEY TO LEND THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 27, 2009 8:18 AM:

" BLD, not knowing anything about the situation, I'm neither for or against. Somebody mentioned that is was a GOP lie and I just posted that it may or may not be part of the stimulus bill. If it is well traveled, I hope you get it. At least THAT would create jobs. "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Feb 26, 2009 11:28 PM:

" movedsouth wrote on Feb 26, 2009 4:21 PM:
" Fact-check.org "A widely repeated claim that $8 billion is set aside for a "levitating train" to Disneyland is untrue. That total is for unspecified high-speed rail projects, and some of it may or may not end up going to a proposed 300-mph "maglev" train connecting Anaheim, Calif., with Las Vegas." Maybe, maybe not. "


They should do something!!! It took an hour tonight to get from Anaheim to Diamond Bar. For you mapquest junkies:
Ball road-Stage College blvd-Imperial Hwy- Hgw57-Hwy60. I think it is about 12 miles. "

Bobbo wrote on Feb 26, 2009 8:07 PM:

" Karl, I'm glad you understand my humor or this board would be truly boring.
I still disagree with nearly everything you believe, but i'd fight for your right to believe it. And If i didn't live so far away, I'd ask you to petition your local g'ment to fund us beers while we debate economics at Curley's...
Cheers! "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 26, 2009 4:21 PM:

" Fact-check.org "A widely repeated claim that $8 billion is set aside for a "levitating train" to Disneyland is untrue. That total is for unspecified high-speed rail projects, and some of it may or may not end up going to a proposed 300-mph "maglev" train connecting Anaheim, Calif., with Las Vegas." Maybe, maybe not. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 26, 2009 3:45 PM:

" By the way, David--"A magnetic levitation rail line to Disneyland"--another lie told by Bobby Jindal concerning the Stimulus Plan.

There is, of course, NO "magnetic levitation rail line to Disneyland"--except in Booby Jindal's thick head. "

anonymous wrote on Feb 26, 2009 3:15 PM:

" I am all for the salt marsh mouse. Just think how it will help the flying V if it leads to a cure for alcoholism. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 26, 2009 2:15 PM:

" My point, Bobbo, is that you incorrectly accuse Karl of being a communist in a manner obviously intended to be an insult. First off, he isn't a communist, and second off, it's not necessarily an insult.

Worrying about "the threat of communism" is just so far gone that it's not just vintage, it's antiquated.

Communism didn't work any better than Capitalism has, as far as I am concerned. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 26, 2009 1:57 PM:

" big sigh.........Bobbo, let's just state for the record that I"m not a follower of Communism, ok?

So you've had your little fun and games, ho ho ho, he he he, ha ha ha, but if you still refer to me in that term, you will be as in-error as your understanding of what "Communism" and "Socialism" really IS. Of course, realizing as I do the juvenile glee you obtain from it, I really don't expect you to stop, but I just want you to know that you're incorrect.

The problem lies in the fact that your Republiscum talking heads have applied a bit of revisionism in trying to define the return to a FAIR AND BALANCED tax plan as those silly terms.

And you've bought it; hammer, sickle, and sinker. LOL!

Your "Communism" is my "Fairness to the Middle Class".

Got it?

Good. "

Bobbo wrote on Feb 26, 2009 11:43 AM:

" FG, its not an insult to call a communist a communist. Karl is not in the closet about what he believes, rather, he's proud of it. And i respect him for standing behind his convictions, but that doesn't mean i have to agree with him or that i won't try to convince him otherwise. I am an unrepentant capitalist, and proud of it. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 26, 2009 11:40 AM:

" Just FYI, Dave, I see your point about the items not belonging in the stimulus package per se, but in a more general budget bill -- it bothers me a lot that bills come bundled like database packages -- instead of one thing at a time, without the rubbish. Point conceded, absolutely. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 26, 2009 11:30 AM:

" I have no views on the salt marsh mouse, but it certainly helps the economy if we have fewer unwanted pregnancies that result in more people on public assistance in the short term -- like 9 months from now. It doesn't create jobs, but it helps decrease the amount which would be required to support a good number of new people on the planet, for whom we don't have jobs when they grow up. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 26, 2009 11:25 AM:

" David, it might interest you to know that there is NO money allocated to mice in this stimulus bill at all. That was yet another lie--some would call it "being disingenuous"--started by Republicans, precisely to engender the kind of incredulous outrage in peple who hear that, in an attempt to "steer" public opinion. It's all over the web--please, seriously; invest a little time to see how your "sources" have again mislead you.

Here's just one of the sites that reveal the hoax--

http://www.contracostatimes.com/science/ci_11693976

Once again, you'll note the reference to "The Drudge Report"--which ought to be named "The SLUDGE Report, for how many times this irresponsible JERK has helped to propagate unfounded allegations as "news stories"--which is then picked up by slimebuckets like Rush, and spread over the airwaves as "fact"--but it's NOT SO.

Seriously--look for a new source for your news, OK? You might find yourself less outraged when you know the Truth.

AN addendum here as well--I spend a LOT of time watching the news, David, and I can't tell you how many times I've seen Republicans on television in the last few days talking about the stimulus plam, making allegations about alleged "waste: in the new stimulus bill--and they've been called out time and time again by the news anchors; "C'mon, Brad; you KNOW that's not in the bill, you're incorrect about that..."--and the Repub backpedals and hems and haws, and tries to JUST SAY THE WORDS, like a Pavlovian response; just like he's been coached to say, in the hopes that it finds traction with SOME segment of the population. It doesn't change the fact that it's NOT TRUE, however.

People were put to work spreading "Abstinence" garbage--they can just as easily go to schools, community centers, YMCA's, and talk about it too. Hey--somebody's gotta make the condoms, too? "

daviddelker wrote on Feb 26, 2009 11:02 AM:

" OK.........I guess my point is that the stimulus package was designed to create jobs, and free up money so that the banks can begin to lend again---IN THE SHORT TERM--MEANING RIGHT NOW, NOT IN THE DISTANT FUTURE. I guess if paying for birth control, and the study of a salt marsh mouse create thousands of jobs, I stand corrected. Maybe someone can help me understand how those two items in particular create thousands of jobs right now.........I could understand if those two items were placed in Obama's budget, but the stimulus package IS NOT THE BUDGET. Now that you understand what I was trying to say, I don't believe there is a VALID argument for those two items. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 26, 2009 10:39 AM:

" Comrade Farmer's Gal, isn't it funny how these Conservative loonies are so fond of Communism?

I guess you have to be over 65 or something--to have grown up with the Big Scary Communist to really invest anything in it?! It just makes me laugh!

Comrade Bobbo, what have you contributed to the Party today? Get off your computer, pick up a plowshare, and do some work for the glory of Amerika! "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 26, 2009 10:35 AM:

" Here's another example of the stupid fixation on WAR! WAR! WAR! that our brainwashed leaders have had!

--At the cost of spending money on essential programs like schooling, transportation, etc, Congress has petitioned Obama to keep build the F22 Raptor, America's newest high-tech fighter plane--even though the Pentagon has said it DOESN'T NEED more!

By the time all 183 fighters have been purchased, $34 billion will have been spent on actual procurement, resulting in a total program cost of $62 BILLION or $339 million PER PLANE!!!

Congress claims that "Jobs would be lost" by cutting back production on it.

But ONE BILLION DOLLARS of military spending ONLY creates 8-9,000 jobs!

Again--ONLY 8-9,000 jobs per one BILLION DOLLARS of military spending!!!

How many teachers could we employ with that money? How many schools could we improve for the sake of the future of our nation?

Please call our president and tell him to STOP THIS WASTEFUL MILITARY SPENDING! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 26, 2009 10:06 AM:

" I can't believe we are still sitting around worrying about communists. Get in your time machine and go back to the 1950s and the Cold War.

Of course, I am writing from Ithaca, NY, which elected a Communist mayor a few years back -- worked out fine, from all I've heard -- certainly never heard anything significantly different than other mayors here.

Do I have problems with communism as a theory and an economic and social system? Sure I do. I have trouble with many aspects of capitalism too. I haven't seen a system invented by mankind yet that I really like.

But, please, put those old commie insults back in the mothballs where they belong. "

Bobbo wrote on Feb 26, 2009 8:00 AM:

" Karl, you wrote 'I EARN a living,' and 'I got where I am by working hard.' Jeeze Karl, is that a hint of pride in your achievements I'm hearing? You better tone it down 'cuz individual achievements have no place in the collective workforce of Marxism. I recommend apologizing for acknowledging yourself before your progressive pals hear of it and come running to seize hard earned pride (money) and beat you into collective submission. You are not allowed to take credit for hard work! Bad Karl, bad.... "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 25, 2009 10:00 PM:

" Thank you, ms; that's much easier to read.

Unfortunately, I have no more patience for you tonight. I'm off to make a cappuccino. "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 25, 2009 8:59 PM:

" "That damned war is what broke us; if not for that folly, we would have had the trillions wasted there."


Your PREDICTION for a trillion does not make it trillionS.


karl posts BS


I hope you can read this


Rather than substantiate your bs, as usual, you attack the individual.


It's getting old karl "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 25, 2009 8:30 PM:

" Bobbo, first, I EARN a living.

Second, I got where I am by working hard.

Third--all I hear in your post is self-ameliorating equivocating CRAPPOLA designed that your kind uses to make yourselves feel better about $crewing the Poor while you worry about whether or not your new 52" flat screen will be held up because the shipping company had to lay off 2,000 more workers.

I'm decidedly unimpressed with your efforts.

Oh, and uh, learn to use your "Enter
bar too, OK? It will make your posts easier to rebut. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 25, 2009 8:26 PM:

" movedsouth, first some "style" pointers here...

Learn to use your "Enter" bar to put some space between ideas, OK? Your posts and sentences run together like a 12-year-old's in a red Kentucky schoolhouse.

See?

Like THIS!

Easy!!!--even for a Republican't!

Second, the war will EASILY reach a trillion dollars by the time the folly is through. The money spent is "only" in hundreds of billions, but when you add up the costs that will continue to accumulate, the rebuilding and refitting of the equipment, and all the money it's going to take to finish this disaster, it will easily top a trillion dollars--beside, are you SERIOUS?! Are you really quibbling over a few extra hundred billion dollars?

Where the hell was your big mouth when we were wasting all this cash when the Pentagon was asking for it, and Cheney was stealing it through "reconstruction"?!

HYPOCRITE. "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Feb 25, 2009 8:17 PM:

" I second Birth control. Some people do not know how to raise their kids, and yet they have more. "

Bobbo wrote on Feb 25, 2009 7:50 PM:

" " Hey Karl, good to hear from you, its rare that i get to hear the point of view from an unrepentant communist such as yourself. But seriously, its amazing how quickly we forget the gains that our capitalist society has brought us and what we consider poor in this country. I mean think of all our luxuries and technologies that came to the common man from the free market within just the last ten years. ipods, cellphone cameras, gps, x boxes, plasma tv's, and a starbucks on every corner. But thats not enough for you! No, you want to take others peoples money and make them buy your cappuccinos. Oh and the poor in this country are wealthier than middle class Europeans. Average "poor" american has a tv, car, cell phone, and more living sq footage than the middle class European. But you crave their standard of living. Wait til they start rationing your health care. You have no problem living off the backs of rich, but god forbid you are asked to do your fair share, then you scream "EVIL RICH!." They're getting tired of your kind and we'll all be screw3d when they do. You should be grateful there is are people kind and wealthy enough to give you a job and EARN some of THEIR money, but no, you just want to take it with out earning it. " "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 25, 2009 6:48 PM:

" BTW karl, the cost of the Iraq war is less than the cost of Obama's stimulus bill! Stop blowing smoke-------------. IT IS NOT TRILLIONS, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 25, 2009 6:36 PM:

" "House Approves $410 Billion Spending Bill" This will grow the government 8.3%. Just what we need. Obama will not change Washington in a day, but he's got a good start. Hiring crooks, lobbyists, and spending money like there's no tomorrow, that sure is CHANGE. I know, it's all because of Bush. Can ANYONE tell me how long the Liberals will blame him, without some stupid answer like until the economy turns around, Time frame! You have to know the the economy will turn around in 6-12 months whether anything is done or not. "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 25, 2009 6:20 PM:

" "karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 25, 2009 4:52 PM:
" David, it's nice to see that at least you have some ideas, and not just blathering complaints and whining. I flatly reject any contention whatsoever though that it was in any fashion the Democrats' fault that te economy tanked; I mean, please, let's be realistic here. All these damned hypocritical Repubscums Dem's just happened to board the ship at that critical moment when the old crew had just run the ship into the reef and it was just only starting to take on water. David, as you can see, karl lacks either the desire or ability to judge different points of view. As soon as you wrote "Karl, give movedsouth a listen with regard to the time frame-", you were done. Given the history between karl and myself, "IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN". I have never seen such a closed minded person in my life. There is no way this MAN could believe that there was ANY good in the Republicans, and any bad in the Democrats. He doesn't even know how to spell Republicans. karl just remember the ONLY reason "the old crew had just run the ship into the reef and it was just only starting to take on water." was that the Dems had come aboard. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 25, 2009 5:06 PM:

" We've got more people than jobs already, and we've got lots of people complaining about having to support them with public assistance -- BIRTH CONTROL sounds like a good use of money! "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 25, 2009 4:52 PM:

" David, it's nice to see that at least you have some ideas, and not just blathering complaints and whining.

First of all, I am not so blatantly, blindly loyal and partisan as I sound--and I'm ok with that.

All the loudmouthed naysayers and complainers have forgotten...no, conveniently overlooked the fact that Obama is not going to change Washington in a day. We still have people there who are rock-solidly attached to "the old way of doing things", and if Obama has had to balance his admirable idealism and pluck with reality once he came to town, then I'm willing to extend to him that time, because I believe in him, and his ideas.

I flatly reject any contention whatsoever though that it was in any fashion the Democrats' fault that te economy tanked; I mean, please, let's be realistic here. The Dem's just happened to board the ship at that critical moment when the old crew had just run the ship into the reef and it was just only starting to take on water.

All these damned hypocritical Repubscums lecturing us on "fiscal responsibility" have a lot of gawddamned nerve, in my opinion, when THEY were the ones who passed budget after budget with Z-E-R-O money accounted for regarding the War costs. That damned war is what broke us; if not for that folly, we would have had the trillions wasted there. Bush never met a spending bill he didn't like.

Why the money for birth control? Are you SERIOUS?! Maybe to offset the millions that the Repubs WASTED on "Abstinence" campaigns (read: gift to the Religious Right)that did nothing but RAISE STD and pregnancy rates?

Jesus, I can't believe your (and Repubs) lack of foresight here! What would help keep kids in school? hat would give poor people more money, cut their living costs, give them more disposable income and less cost to the States, Medicare, and hospital emergency rooms?

LESS BABIES! D'UH?!

Contraception education and availability would help to stop the illegitimate birthrate, and help to educate dumb kids on how to act responsibly. Less abortions, less illegitimacy, less babies having babies, and less costs to the States and Federal Government!
Honestly, I just shake my head that your "side" doesn't seem to understand this--or that the ideological block you've set up to it doesn't permit you to see it for as plainly as it is? "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Feb 25, 2009 3:46 PM:

" PORK SODA!!! "

daviddelker wrote on Feb 25, 2009 3:16 PM:

" Karl, give movedsouth a listen with regard to the time frame---the economy was great until the Dems took over congress. I found Obama to be a good speaker---however, personality will take you only so far. It only took one day for Obama to start bending the rules he built his platform with. The stimulus package meant solely to benefit the economy and create jobs.........why millions for birth control? Why millions for the study of the salt marsh mouse? (thanks Nancy Pelosi) I thought the package was to create jobs? Over 1000 pages of legislation that I can guarantee no single person read before they signed. They just knew that THEIR pork was in it, so they signed. Many of those who will have a hefty pension, and healthcare paid for life, and have no worries as to the economy. Why is the bill so bloated? Because Obama had to negotiate with everyone to get their vote, and it cost him. He didn't dig his heels in like he said he would against pork projects. Why couldn't we just repeal the Federal income tax, go to a flat tax, or give the American people what they need----cash? No oversite, no pork, no problem. "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 25, 2009 2:42 PM:

" karl, if you EVER looked at things objectively, you would have SOME sort of credibility. But, Obama and MSNBC probably don't allow that. "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 25, 2009 2:14 PM:

" karl, don't forget Obama also said the USa invented the car!!!!!!!! CREDIBILITY "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 25, 2009 2:09 PM:

" "Did you see? Utility shutoffs in NY jumped 17% in 08--I'll guess you'll say that's a result of people using energy that they can't afford, right? We should just let these people freeze now, right?" Where in the hell did this come from, what a jerk! "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 25, 2009 1:58 PM:

" movedsouth, nope; you're WRONG.

Fact: "Republiscums" BAD.

Fact: Democrats not perfect but better.

Truth: "Liberals" did NOT ruin the economy.

Truth: Conservatives wrecked the economy along with the NO Party.

Judgment: (channeling voice of late Phil Hartmann here) REPUBLISCUM BAAAAAAADDDD!

Did you see? Utility shutoffs in NY jumped 17% in 08--I'll guess you'll say that's a result of people using energy that they can't afford, right? We should just let these people freeze now, right? "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 25, 2009 1:42 PM:

" FACT KARL? That's opinion!!!!!! karl's mind set, DEMOCRAT GOOD, REPUBLICAN BAD. That's all he has to believe to post. The only time you posted any link to prove anything was for your nephew, otherwise its all what the puppet master tells you to say. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 25, 2009 1:07 PM:

" movedsouth, thanks for your contribution to Revisionist History.

Obama said it best when he said last night that the surplus which the Nation had AFTER BILL CLINTON'S PRESIDENCY "became an excuse to transfer wealth to the wealthy"!

The economy was relatively strong AFTER BILL CLINTON because that was a result of BILL CLINTON"S economic policies still bearing fruit!

It's like an orchard that you plant, ms. The trees still bear their fruit when the new guy gets the farm.

But here's the proof--after Farmer Bush ran the homestead, there's not a tree left that will turn out even the most sour fruit--all the trees have withered and gone to brown.

There's the proof--I dare you to try to argue those facts. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 25, 2009 12:43 PM:

" Big Business is the problem, and BOTH parties are in bed with them -- "the best Congress money can buy" includes members of both parties.

The day we allowed corporations to be granted "human" rights is the day opened the door to the trouble we are in now, about 125 years later. "

Unknown... wrote on Feb 25, 2009 12:15 PM:

" The economy was already starting to slip before the Democrats took over Congress, but the Republicans find it WAY too easy to blame the democrats, when in fact it was Bush's policies that were starting to grip us. Bush was in bed with Big Business, and turned a blind eye to what was happening, he was making his money. "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 25, 2009 11:38 AM:

" What don't people understand about the DPW situation being reviewed? Amnesty, review, LET IT GO. "They should have their names printed, so the innocent won't have to suffer needlessly." Why not look at people as they are innocent? Do you always look for the worst in people? Do you look at all government employees, from the President down, as crooks? I know, poor comparison. GET OVER IT!!!!! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 25, 2009 11:29 AM:

" My ex always used to say that rampant corporate greed, moving jobs to other countries so as to exploit cheap labor as just one example, would eventually bring the U.S. standard of living down to that of any other Third World country, with a few ultra-rich capitalist corporation owners at the top, the masses of people living in a Third World environment, without jobs or homes, and no more Middle Class at all.

It could easily happen that way, thanks to allowing corporations to run any way they like, interests of the American people be d*maned. "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 25, 2009 11:17 AM:

" karl, I receive E-mails that are JOKES! It is a way of people keeping in touch that normally would not. Obviously, you saw truth in it and took offense. And the stuff you complain about, read your own posts, you blame EVERYTHING on the "Republiscums." Do you not remember the first 6 years of Bush when the economy was good? Then the Democrats took over Congress and the economy tanked. Coincidence, I think not. "YOu should be embarrassed to post whiny, crybaby posts like that--more b!tchin', complainin', whiny, crybaby stuff." This is you talking about the GOP. LOOK IN THE MIRROR! "

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