Two Cents

Saturday, February 7, 2009 5:16 PM EST

There are a lot more people that enjoy success because of hard work than there are successful by being lazy.
With the recent cabinet appointments by President Obama of people who "neglected" to pay taxes, it makes me wonder just how many of our elected officials avoid their tax responsibility.

Close the landfill and the garbage trucks will vanish. What about "close the landfill" don't you understand?

I think it's time Mayor Quill steps down. It seems he is too close to the "den of thieves" to make an honest decision on who stole what.

If the cigarette tax was paid to the state and then promptly returned to the tribe for special programs, the problem is solved.

I would like to thank the electric company for shutting off the power on my street without warning. It was one of the coldest days of the year and I am disabled with a 4-year-old.

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spatrx wrote on Feb 14, 2009 7:15 AM:

" Simple solutions from simple people.The landfill is already there where ya gonna bring it?You made a deal with the Indians now keep it.As far as the economy keep buying junk from China!Its cheaper to make and buy.But for GOD sakes DON'T TAX THE RICH! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 12, 2009 11:09 AM:

" Detroit is a mess and it has been since I was a kid growing up there. Detroit is a place where they elect government officials because of their race, not their honesty or ability. They loved Coleman Young who robbed everyone blind and even invented Devil's Night for his buddies to set fire to their own properties to collect the insurance (the year after he retired, Devil's Night fires in the Detroit area dropped from hundreds down to something like half a dozen).

Then you have the auto industry -- bloated, arrogant, greedy, and irresponsible, with the economy of a whole state dependent on them, they continued to play their stupid games designed to line the pockets of the top brass and let everyone else in the state pay the price.

"Paris of the West?" When was that, back in the mid-1800s??? I grew up there and never heard Detroit called that. It is one of the least cultural major cities in the United States, and is the eastern-most of major "Mid-Western" cities -- Detroit is in the Eastern Time zone, so it hasn't been "of the West" since Buffalo, NY was considered "West."

No, it has nothing to do with liberals and progressives. It has to do with race-based voting (no matter how corrupt the candidate, as long as he was black, they loved him in Detroit), greed, corruption and opportunism completely outside party lines. "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 12, 2009 9:38 AM:

" Geithner had a great major speech on economic policy, to sum it up, details to follow. That really instills confidence. "

chris van note wrote on Feb 12, 2009 9:06 AM:

" And BTW, if you want a glimpse at the way things could go, look no further than Detroit.
Detroit is considered to be the most liberal city in America run by liberal "progressives".
Some of the achievements are:

A 32% High School graduation rate. (But when a philanthropist offered to spend $200 million to create 15 new charter high schools, teachers staged a walk-out. Mayor Kilpatrick spurned the offer.)

All major grocery stores have moved out of the city.

Ranked at the bottom three for growth (Michigan that is).

Michigan ranks fourth of the 50 states in declining home values.

I could go on and on.

Liberal policies have ruined a once great city that was once called the "Paris of the West" "

chris van note wrote on Feb 12, 2009 8:25 AM:

" "There is no disagreement that we need action by our government, a recovery plan that will help to jumpstart the economy."
— PRESIDENT-ELECT BARACK OBAMA, JANUARY 9 , 2009

Oh really?

With all due respect Mr. President, that is not true.
Notwithstanding reports that all economists are now Keynesians and that we all support a big increase in the burden of government, we do not believe that more government spending is a way to improve economic performance. More government spending by Hoover and Roosevelt did not pull the United States economy out of the Great Depression in the 1930s. More government spending did not solve Japan's "lost decade" in the 1990s. As such, it is a triumph of hope over experience to believe that more government spending will help the U.S. today. To improve the economy, policy makers should focus on reforms that remove impediments to work, saving, investment and production. Lower tax rates and a reduction in the burden of government are the best ways of using fiscal policy to boost growth.

http://www.cato.org/special/stimulus09/alternate_version.html

The annointed one is taking a page out of the Goracle's play book citing nonexistent and irrelevant consensus for his socialist-policy pseudoscience. "

the bone wrote on Feb 12, 2009 6:58 AM:

" thats ok brew ---I love you anyway!! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 12, 2009 4:32 AM:

" I already know that the pharmaceutical industry has a strong influence on what insurance companies will or will not cover. You may be able to confirm that, depending on your position in the company, but I know it already.

Well, movedsouth, I would agree that I don't want the government making the decisions on my health care, but it is no better right now with corporate interests calling the shots. I have a 5-page spreadsheet of doctors and health care professionals I saw over the course of more than 5 years, none of whom would look beyond their pre-written scripts of ailments they "could" diagnose. My spreadsheet includes what they said and put me through when my ailment wasn't on their lists. Once I had the diagnosis, none of them had treatments -- there is no drug to treat the condition. Some alternative treatments can have a positive affect, but insurance companies won't cover most things outside the mainstream, so only a few doctor's will prescribe an alternative approach. The whole heath thing, from pharmaceuticals to insurance to doctors, is a racket and our health is the cost.

I've seen it reported a couple times, Karl, that the suicide rate for military personal is much higher than ever before, even during Vietnam, when they didn't always get a very welcoming return. No matter how people here feel about the war, military persons are currently being welcomed back, so that isn't the cause.

Ironically, the two points I make here are related. Non-Addison's is often a secondary condition for people with PTSD, which is also very common among veterans. All these young people coming home from war would be helped a lot more if the medical/insurance industry would be willing to cover holistic and alternative treatments for some of their health problems, as appropriate. Not getting care, being told there's nothing they can do, or they don't know what the problem is, you'll just have to live with it -- I can see where it could help push a person along to suicide. "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Feb 11, 2009 11:04 PM:

" the bone wrote on Feb 11, 2009 5:58 PM:
" Who really knows about the pharmaceutical industry.Or is it just what you read.I was in Pharmaceutical for over 30 years.Ask me and I will let you know.I am not to happy with them. "

So is it true the Pharmaceutical companies "give" doctors experimental drugs to "test" on patients? Doctors receive money for prescribing these?
My understanding is Government to Pharmaceutical to doctor to patient = $$ "

brew1234 wrote on Feb 11, 2009 9:03 PM:

" sorry boneboy I don't comprehend illiterate-speak. Please use english. "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Feb 11, 2009 8:58 PM:

" FG,
Logan's Run ROCKS!!! CHEESY, but Cool! "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 11, 2009 6:59 PM:

" I just heard that in June, no less than TWENTY FOUR US ARMY SOLDIERS COMMITTED SUICIDE!
TWENTY FOUR!!!

Wanna explain that, Chris?

Ain't War GRAND?! "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 11, 2009 6:31 PM:

" The thought of the government making a decision on my health care would, in its self, make me sick. Maybe it would be good for some, but not for me. As a senior, I require more health care and would hate the thought of Uncle Sam telling me that they cannot treat me because I'm too old and the expense needs to go to someone younger. Bad enough with Medicare, thank God for secondary insurance. Insurance plans differ greatly and care may or may not be approved. I have had the same insurance for over 45 years and have never been refused treatment or had to see a physician "on the list". Back in the early 90's, HMOs were offered at a reduced cost. I asked my PCP about HMOs, and her response was to avoid them like a plague. I took her advice. I may be an old Packard, but I have a right to be a daily runner. And for the Honda, buy insurance and you will have the care needed. I guess if you don't have insurance, you would want someone to take care of you. Hooray for me and the hell with you. Great attitude karl. As for the edumacation, the only it's racist is if you make it that way. For years ago I couldn't even spell enganeer and now I are one. It's just humor. "

the bone wrote on Feb 11, 2009 5:58 PM:

" Who really knows about the pharmaceutical industry.Or is it just what you read.I was in Pharmaceutical for over 30 years.Ask me and I will let you know.I am not to happy with them. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 11, 2009 5:06 PM:

" LOL - we wore out a copy of Logan's run and had to get another! It's cheesy in some ways, or maybe that is just looking back from a time of better special effects.

The whole lawyers, doctors, pharmaceuticals and insurance companies thing is totally out of control, and The People are paying for it -- and have been for some time. I don't have an answer, but it needs to be addressed by someone who is not in the back pocket of the pharmaceutical industry.

Farmer Guy has no insurance. Because he is a farmer, the insurance is sky-high, yet he doesn't make that kind of money. Small-time farming is the HEALTHY and environmentally good way to produce food, yet insurance is just one more way Big Business is putting healthy practices OUT OF BUSINESS.

I have decent insurance through my job, BUT I have a health condition the insurance company refuses to recognize -- non-Addison's hypoadrenia. It's no picnic, let me tell you, and I have had the diagnosis confirmed by three independently-minded health care practitioners (2 MDs and 1 holistic practioner). But, you see, there is no drug treatment -- so, pharmaceuticals can't make any money on the deal, and they drive the insurance lists of what will or won't be recognized and covered, which in turn very often drives what doctors will diagnose. I cannot tell you how many doctors I went through and how many years I suffered in the dark because of this greed-driven situation.

The problem, at its core, is the out-of-proportional influence of corporations in both cases. Take back that obscene misinterpretation of the Constitution I am always mentioning -- Santa Clara County vs. Southern Pacific Railroad -- and everything will change.

But until that unlikely day, I am willing to look at some other plan to help people get basic health care. We really should have a total overhaul of the whole system, starting with that misinterpretation, and the influence, and the greed-driven corporate and legal things -- but until then, something must be done for the interim. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 11, 2009 4:17 PM:

" Chris, first of all, it's rather sad that you simply paraphrased another person's OPINION PIECE--an editorial--as an excuse to think.

The point of Daschle's blunt statement was to underscore the way that our Health Care costs are being driven up through the roof by the way that certain companies out there are going for the "big buck" of coming up with experimental or "new" ways to treat conditions that often appear very late in life, instead of making Health Care more affordable for MORE PEOPLE in the prime of their lives by focusing on providing affordable HC which, by its nature, is not as profitable as big, new contracts and R&D money.

THIS MAKES SENSE. The perceived "bias" against the elderly is the MOST miserably cynical way to spin it, (I'd expect that from you) but the FACT is, that right now, young people who may never even make it to a full life are being denied Health Care at a time when it might make a difference, for the sake of possibly discovering "miracle cures" for what are the natural effects of aging.

Look; I know that I have to put it in "redneck" terms, but imagine that you're emptying your bank account every month trying to "Macguyver" your old Packard up to spec as a daily runner; meanwhile, you're neglecting your '06 Honda for lack of funds. It's called "perspective", or "discretionary spending". IT MAKES SENSE. It's a move to spend MORE money making MORE people healthy, rather than trying to drive up company profits by playing some "R&D Lottery".

I WILL give you BIG "thumbs up" for the "Logan's Run" reference--one of my ABSOLUTE FAVORITE movies! It's the movie I took my last name after, do you know that?

Chris, I can't help but thinking that it's a shame you didn't turn your cynical, sarcastic scalpel to George W and his policies, at a time when it might have made a difference; before we got into this mess. Before the deregulation, the illegal, wasteful war, the Torture, the ruination of America. It was YOUR pied pipers who let things get here--and now all you can do is whine and point fingers. Point them at yourself, buddy.

Now all you can do is cry and complain like the best of BETA males like me--oh, how the "mighty" have fallen! LOL! BY the way, the subtle racist comments ("Edumacation"--what the hell is THAT? Is that some sort of Conservative code word? Or just more latent racism from you?) really paint you VERY poorly. "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 11, 2009 2:45 PM:

" LANDSLIDE 53%/47% POPULAR VOTE! "

chris van note wrote on Feb 11, 2009 2:41 PM:

" It wasn't a landslide. 57 million of us had the sanity not to drink the Obama kool aid. I put my trust in myself, not the government.

Socialized medicine is coming our way if we do nothing about it...everyone over 65 get on the carosel (its a reference to the movie "Logan's Run")

The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity goes too far.

New Penalties

Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user” isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time” (511, 518, 540-541).

Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt. Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

In other words, the government will evaluate whether or not you are worth saving. If you are too old or sick, they may not treat you. It won't be up to you, your doctor or your family.

Change we can believe in I guess... "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 11, 2009 2:26 PM:

" Ok, I'm not much of an impressionist, but here's my impersonation of Chris--ready? (I know it won't be as good as Andy Kaufmann's "Elvis" but...)

"WWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!"

Quit cryin, you baby. Obama IS "THE CHOSEN ONE"--by a LANDSLIDE.

Your beloved Conservative movement has been THOROUGHLY DISCREDITED AND REJECTED.

A tough pill, I know...but suck it up, buddy. Be a man about it already. "

the bone wrote on Feb 11, 2009 2:23 PM:

" Why do you have to insult people by call them Queenie.Address them by their screen name. "

chris van note wrote on Feb 11, 2009 1:04 PM:

" Wow, the Obamessiah (the infallable one)has made some great choices for cabinet positions. Here is his for Sec. of Edumacations Arne Duncan ...

Hundreds Beaten, Whipped, Choked By Teachers, Coaches (Chicago Schools Under Obama's Ed. Sec.)

An exclusive CBS 2 investigation discovered Treveon Martin is one of at least 818 Chicago Public School students, since 2003, to allege being battered by a teacher or an aide, coach, security guard, or even a principal. In most of those cases - 568 of them - Chicago Public School investigators determined the children were telling the truth.

SNIP

The 2 Investigators found reports of students beaten with broomsticks, whipped with belts, yard sticks, struck with staplers, choked, stomped on and pushed down stairs. One substitute teacher even fractured a student's neck.

But even more alarming, in the vast majority of cases, teachers found guilty were only given a slap on the wrist.

CBS 2 informed former Chicago Public School CEO Arne Duncan of our investigative findings shortly before he was promoted to U.S. Secretary of Education.

"If someone hits a student, they are going to be fired. It's very, very simple," Duncan said.

Before heading to Washington, he vowed to take action.

"Any founded allegation where an adult is hitting a child, hitting a student - they're going to be gone," Duncan said.

But that's not what happened under Duncan's watch. Of the 568 verified cases, only 24 led to termination. Records show one teacher who quote "battered students for several years" was simply given a "warning" by the Board of Education.

http://cbs2chicago.com/investigations/Painful.Lessons.Abuse.2.931134.html

Gotta love them unions!!! "

brew1234 wrote on Feb 11, 2009 1:02 PM:

" Queenie are you trying to rewrite history? You talk about the failure of Roosevelt's New Deal and the crazy projects. Do a little research and open your eyes when you travel around. The New Deal had crazy projects that built our nations infrastructure and many of these projects are still standing 70 years later. Probably some of the best investments ever made in the US. Stadiums, dams, flood mitigation projects, public buildings such as public libraries, govt buildings, schools and colleges, bridges, highways, parks and many other examples of infrastructure. Many of these projects have plaques on them, so open your eyes and take note of all these "crazy" projects when you travel around the area. No time is better for these projects than now. The costs for construction are much lower in bad times than when the economy is strong. Many people are out of work and the time to create jobs is now. So please before you try to make statements about our history, do a little bit of research before you speak. Also many of these 70 yr old structures are in disrepair and the lack of commitment from prior GOP administrations to spend money to do the upkeep of these structures has caused a need for repairs and renovation. But all the GOP wants to do is give this money back to the wealthy and fat cat corporations instead letting the infrastructure of the nation fall apart. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 11, 2009 10:46 AM:

" Sorry, Chris--I should have addressed that tart rebuttal to Queenie--blame the late hour.

My bad...decision. LOL!

Queenie--you know what they say--even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then? "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Feb 11, 2009 8:43 AM:

" Pork...... The other white meat! "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 11, 2009 8:17 AM:

" Rasmussen poll shows that 37% favor and 43% oppose the stimulus package. Chuck Shummer says people don't care about the pork in the package. I think he's talking about the puppets that the puppet master is leading. Most people DO care about the pork. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 11, 2009 7:50 AM:

" We're good, bone. Perhaps I need to work on my bad-grammar tolerance, LOL! We all have our little pecadillos! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 11, 2009 7:48 AM:

" That's my point, bone. I know you only as you present yourself here, and the impression you make when you re-post the same incorrect grammar twice does not paint you in an intelligent light. What I am trying to say is -- Have more self-respect.

I don't judge you as a person for your lack of good grammar, though being careless enough to repeat the same mistake again even after it had already been teased says something about the person behind the words as well.

Right or wrong, the reality is, however, that people WILL judge you for how you present yourself, and if you want to be taken seriously and to have people read and respect your opinions, you should think about how that presentation appears to others.

I'm not personally better than others -- but I do have better grammar than some. My mother made sure of that. I make mistakes sometimes, or typos, or get sloppy -- I've never claimed to be perfect -- but I don't consistently write or speak in such a way that I come off sounding ignorant.

(BTW, it doesn't make me feel good to criticize others -- it makes me feel annoyed to struggle through trying to read really bad grammar; and sometimes it's so bad, it's comical and makes me laugh out loud -- which is hardly the reaction for which the writer hoped for his serious thoughts. Other times I've seen things posted here which were so bad you couldn't make out the poster's meaning).

You've made this into a much bigger deal than was ever meant, but so be it. "

the bone wrote on Feb 11, 2009 6:43 AM:

" Farmer's Gal--Sorry about going back at you. Thats not who I am.God Bless "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 11, 2009 1:43 AM:

" That's nice, NeoChris--one man's opinion against nearly everyone who's saying we have to do something NOW, and that this plan was the best thing going.

The Repubs simply wanted to do the SAME THING that got us in this mess--more tax cuts, more hoping that the Rich would take pity on us all and generously throw us a bone.

Well guess what? A little Socialism might be just what we need then, if it means that it's going to even the playing field a little bit. Doesn't bother me ONE BIT.

Suck it up, buddy--the bill passed, you're going to pay just like everyone else, and like it. "

theking wrote on Feb 10, 2009 9:04 PM:

" sorry karl I copied and pasted. what a cheater I am. Below is from a historian with a PHD.

So when you actually look at the evidence, you don't look at, you know, Franklin Roosevelt gave some sweet little speeches and he comforted everybody. When you look at the cold hard facts of the matter, from 1933 to 1940 unemployment averaged 18%. So that means the New Deal didn't work, period. And you can scream and shout and jump up and down but, you know, facts are stubborn things. FDR tried pretty much everything that Obama's going to be trying. You know, he threw money at crazy projects, he hired people to, you know, essentially do the equivalent of digging trenches and then filling them back in again. He did all this and he did it year after year after year. And by the time you get to 1939, his treasury secretary was saying, "Well, let's see. We've spent more than we've ever spent before and yet unemployment is, well, by and large unchanged." By the late 1930s it had gone back up again. "And so all we have to show for this entire experiment is a whole lot more debt." And Japan has done the same thing in the 1990s. All they have to show for their stimulus is more debt. But somehow we're supposed to expect that this is the one time in world history that the stimulus package is going to work. CLICK HERE FOR FULL INTERVIEW.
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/21300/ "

nature lover wrote on Feb 10, 2009 8:28 PM:

" You know Gator, perhaps we will give Ithaca another chance one day this summer. Cost isnt a factor for food as long as its good & creative. I think Ithaca likes to pride itself in beleiving they are a cultural mecca but IMO that is THEIR opinion. Many areas have what we are looking for in culture be it as non-pompas an old abandoned town with its original bldgs can be cultural to me for my photography. Plus couldnt stand all those half butted one way streets - argh!! LOL no wasnt accusing of u of being off meds. Soon my typing maybe bad also as I just gave in & ordered a Dell mini laptop tonight - no mouse! "

Gator wrote on Feb 10, 2009 7:02 PM:

" NL - no offense had been taken, just didn't want you to think I was off the meds!! I agree with you on Ithaca but we were over there and getting hungry. We didn't experience any of the problems FG mentioned, the place was definitely busy but the service and food were good. As far the expense, it isn't a burger joint.
BLD-I did try a couple instruments when I was younger but I just didn't have the patience, maybe when I retire! There's nothing better than sitting around a fire listening to a guitar being played well.
FG-if you find some misspelled words please forgive me, recently bought a Mac and am having the darnedest time with the new key board among other things. People tell me I'll love it once I master it but...... "

oldtimer wrote on Feb 10, 2009 6:47 PM:

" You know-----I had a Dream ---
You know ----I had a Dream---
You know Ready for the
ride !!!!! "

anonymous wrote on Feb 10, 2009 6:22 PM:

" The self righteous do indeed feel better when they can criticize others. "

the bone wrote on Feb 10, 2009 6:16 PM:

" Farmer's Gal you dont know me and where I am in life. I am ignorant with people like you who think your better than others.So please dont judge people.You will be judged when you die. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 10, 2009 5:42 PM:

" Be proud to come off sounding ignorant. Go ahead and see where it gets you. I have known very un-eduated people who were anything but ignorant and what set them apart was a desire to better themselves. "

the bone wrote on Feb 10, 2009 4:34 PM:

" Farmer's Gal---Really I dont care what you think.I am who I am and I am proud of it. I dont find it necessary to correct people.What,does it make you feel good. Than feel good I really dont care. Remember God Loves you "

brew1234 wrote on Feb 10, 2009 4:13 PM:

" CVN made a very handy list of many projects that are very worthy, create jobs, build up our infrastructure, reduce our dependence on foreign oil, and should have been done years ago by previous GOP administrations that have ignored needed spending and chosen to give tax cuts to the wealthy that have failed to help the economy. When you dig too deep for real facts you just make a good case for the other side. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 10, 2009 3:59 PM:

" Hey NEOCHRIS!

The figures that Rachael Maddow cited were from the BUREAU OF LABOR AND STATISTICS, STOOPID!

That's called the HISTORICAL RECORD!!!!

But then again--we all know that you prefer the REVISIONIST HISTORY of the LIARS in the Conservative Party, LOL!

And ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!? Posting more C-R-A-P from "The National Review Online"?!?!? (That out-of-context sound byte from Schumer?!)

Aren't YOU the guy who jumps all over anyone who you think posts something from a "liberal" website because of the perceived "bias"?!?

As far as all the figures that you cut-n-pasted so deftly there, all I can say is that one Party's "pork" is another Party's "stimulus", buddy!

SUCK IT UP! IT PASSED!!!!

YAAAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAAAAAAAYYYYY!!!! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 10, 2009 3:21 PM:

" When your grammar is THAT bad, it makes you sound like an idiot. It's not a matter of "being in school," it's a matter of how you present yourself -- well or poorly.

BTW, Farmer's Gal, not Famer gal. I rest my case. "

CayCntyLifer wrote on Feb 10, 2009 3:19 PM:

" A note on NYSEG; If you guys ever feel like your bill is incorrect, DO NOT hesitate to let them know, bc you are probably right. I just recently moved and received a final bill for my previous address to the tune of $1,800! I just KNEW that couldn't be right. I heat with gas and my bill stated that I was using 50 therms a day. Most people don't use that in a month. So they sent a nice woman to read my meter, and sure enough the previous reading was incorrect due to human error. My next bill was about $400... much better. "

the bone wrote on Feb 10, 2009 2:57 PM:

" Famer gal--I didnt know I was in school again--I know now why you and karl agree on stuff---two peas in a pod "

chris van note wrote on Feb 10, 2009 2:57 PM:

" You see folks, with Karl there is his liberal version of history that he gets from the likes of Maddow, Olberman and Matthews and then there is the real thing.

Anyway, our esteemed loudmouth from NY, Chuck Shumer, had this to say today:

"And let me say this, to all of the chattering class, that so much focuses on those little, tiny — yes, porky — amendments: The American people really don’t care."

We apparently don't care that the gubment is going to waste more money on the porkulus bill than ever before in history. Yep, we be stupid.

A partial list of the pork:

•$2 billion earmark for FutureGen near zero emissions powerplant in Mattoon, IL
•$39 billion slush fund for “state fiscal stabilization” bailout
•$5.5 billion for making federal buildings “green” (including $448 million for DHS HQ)
•$200 million for workplace safety in USDA facilities
•$275 million for flood prevention
•$65 million for watershed rehabilitation
•$200 million for public computer centers at community colleges and libraries
•$650 million for the DTV transition coupon program
•$307 million for constructing NIST office buildings
•$1 billion for administrative costs and construction of NOAA office buildings
•$100 million for constructing U.S. Marshalls office buildings
•$300 million for constructing FBI office buildings
•$800 million for constructing Federal Prison System buildings and facilities
•$10 million to fight Mexican gunrunners
•$1.3 billion for NASA (including $450 million for “science” at NASA)
•$100 million to clean up sites used in early U.S. atomic energy program
•$10 million for urban canals
•$2 billion for manufacturing advanced batteries for hybrid cars
•$1.5 billion for carbon capture projects under sec. 703 of P.L. 110-140 (though section only authorizes $1 billion for five years)
•$300 million for hybrid and electric cars for federal employees
•$198 million to design and furnish the DHS headquarters
•$255 million for “priority procurements” at Coast Guard (polar ice breaker)
•$500 million for State and local fire stations
•$180 million for construction of Bureau of Land Management facilities
•$500 million for wildland fire management
•$110 million for construction for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
•$522 million for construction for the Bureau of Indian Affairs
•$650 million for abandoned mine sites
•$75 million for the Smithsonian Institution
•$1.2 billion for summer jobs for youth
•$412 million for CDC headquarters
•$500 million earmark for NIH facilities in Bethesda, MD
•$160 million for “volunteers” at the Corp. for National and Community Service
•$750 earmark for the National Computer Center in MD
•$224 million for International Boundary and Water Commission – U.S. and Mexico
•$850 million for Amtrak
•$100 million for lead paint hazard reduction

I'm not saying that getting these things done aren't noble, but they should go thru an appropriations bill, not one that is touted as "stimulus". "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 10, 2009 2:52 PM:

" NYSEG probably needs the rate increase because of the lost revenue when they shut off that street on one of the coldest days. "

anonymous wrote on Feb 10, 2009 2:07 PM:

" People's lack of a sense of humor is really demonstative of their low self esteem and ignorance. "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 10, 2009 1:43 PM:

" Economists are split 50/50 on whether the New Deal worked or not. Some say it worked and others say it prolonged the depression. To criticize one for their opinion just shows bias. "

excnyer wrote on Feb 10, 2009 1:24 PM:

" anonymous wrote on Feb 9, 2009 6:47 PM:

" BLD,

Glad to hear you are so proud of your Guitar Hero exploits."

FOR YOUR INFORMATION.....BLD does NOT use Guitar Hero...he's a great bass player and is very musically talented!
What do you play...the RADIO? "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 10, 2009 12:12 PM:

" If you are going to repeat yourself, bone, at least take the time to correct your grammar and spelling errors -- geez! Poor spelling and grammar undercut a person's credibility, and you just reinforced that view by re-posting without correcting. "

the bone wrote on Feb 10, 2009 11:39 AM:

" Iam writing this again--- Its a shame how people dislikes a group of people because they are GOP--all Gop aren't bad..Its like saying that all guys with long hair looks like a girl--that would also be wrong.So Karl wake up and speak out of your mouth not your feelings.How did you get so smart that you really think you know all.Remember only GOD knows all. "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 10, 2009 11:30 AM:

" 77 billion of TARP was wasted, that's 11 %. That's the good news, the bad news is it's 22% of the first half that has been let out. I hope this administration can do a better job. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 10, 2009 10:31 AM:

" So the latest BS tactic by the Republiscums is to try to tarnish the legacy and effectiveness of Roosevelt's New Deal, counting on the general stupidity and ignorance of the average American by claiming that it didn't work, and trying to meld that with the new Stimulus Bill by claiming that the spending in the new bill won't do anything for the economy.

Rachale Maddow had an amazing statistic last night. In 1933, employment was at 33%! By 1935, GDP EXCEEDED that of 1929---in only three short years!--AND EVERY YEAR, the GDP rose--EXCEPT FOR 1937.

What happened in 1937???

That was the ONE YEAR that Roosevelt suspended the spending programs--AS WAS SUGGESTED BY THE CONSERVATIVEs!! GDP FELL IN 1937!

So when you hear these cynical Republiscum prognosticators LYING about the parallels, now you can be informed of the Truth, and why Obama may just go down in history as "the New Roosevelt"--and the Saviour of America, indeed? "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 10, 2009 10:04 AM:

" Ithaca is a lot pricier, but has more cultural stuff going on, and a lot more people who are engaged in the community in every way you can imagine. Ithaca has more restaurants and a greater variety, mor bars, more theater, more music events, and more politically active people, whether you like their politics or not, Ithaca is a community of people who care passionately about ... just about everything.

Personally, I don't care for cities or crowds, so I am glad to leave and go home in the evenings. But I can see the appeal, though I will continue to shop in Auburn where the economy is more depressed and hence the prices are lower.

I know that's not very flattering, but it's my honest opinion. "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 10, 2009 9:52 AM:

" Major issue about health care in stimulus bill, sounds like they want the government to determine the way your doctor will treat you. Socialized medicine may be getting a foothold. If that stays in, it should not pass. They must look this bill over closely. Scare tactics to pass this quickly is not a good idea. "

nature lover wrote on Feb 10, 2009 8:37 AM:

" oh my goodness Gator - NO!! wasnt referring to u at all. our resident dogmower is back w/(un)wit. You know I agree that I, too admire people that are musically inclined. I have ALLways wanted to play the piano, even bought a Yamaha portable piano and a friend let me borrow start from scratch books. I lack the disciplne and it sits in a closet. And u know, we travel alot and much in these beautiful Fingerlakes area, but after one trip years ago to Ithaca, we detested it and have nvr been back. Why is Ithaca so popular? "

daydreamer wrote on Feb 10, 2009 7:01 AM:

" Is not this financial mess comparable to the savings and loan failures under the Reagan administration? Hmmmm, 8 years of Reagan left a huge national dabt. 8 years of Clinton gave our country a surplus. 8 years of Bush, another huge national debt, Hmmmmm. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 10, 2009 5:00 AM:

" Last time I was at the Boatyard Grill was way back when I was doing Internet dating. The place was cram-packed and we waited and waited -- about an hour and a half before we gave up. Since I can't abide fish or seafood, and the whole place smelled like it, while I sat there hungry smelling stinky fish, I don't have happy memories of the place. Never went out with that guy again (didn't hit it off anyway). It looked pricey too, but maybe that has changed with hard economic times, as may also be the case with the number of people going out to eat. "

anonymous wrote on Feb 10, 2009 12:17 AM:

" IF YOU ARE AN IDIOT RESPOND TO THIS!!!! "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 9, 2009 10:34 PM:

" NeoChris, the "Crap sandwich" we've been served was YOUR beloved Conservative governing policies which YOU YOURSELF defended!!!

This stimulus bill is just he ale to wash it down--were it not for the crap stuffed down our throats fro the last eight years --WHICH YOU DEFENDED--we wouldn't need this long, cool drink of Hope!

We'll tell our kids how, JUST LIKE REAGAN DID, the Conservatives sent the country into a job-losing recession--and now, DEPRESSION,--and how, ONCE AGAIN, it was up to the LIBERALS to UNDO THE DAMAGE!!!

Bt the way, a new book is out which COMPLETELY DEBUNKS the BS MYTH of Reagan's effectiveness as mythologized by the revisionist Republicans! "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Feb 9, 2009 9:34 PM:

" Gator wrote on Feb 9, 2009 8:17 PM:
" BLD - those of us with no musical talent can only perfect Guitar Hero!! I envy those of you who have learned to master a true musical instrument.

Gator,
What's stopping you from picking up an instrument and discovering it's magic?
I've been playing bass for 25 yrs and only Drums for 10 months. Everyday I play drums I learn something new. There is SO much to learn. Playing bass is cake compared to what skills a drummer posesses! "

chris van note wrote on Feb 9, 2009 9:27 PM:

" Harry Reid said today that America deserves to hear the words, “Help is on the way.”

Ronald Reagan said "the nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

Get ready to take a really big bit of a crap sandwich folks and have fun explaining to your grandchildren why they'll be the ones paying off this stupid, pork laden, socialist "bailout". "

Gator wrote on Feb 9, 2009 8:36 PM:

" nl-if you're referring to my comment about the hot days of summer, you need to remember I'm in FL, I live on a barrier island, and we really haven't had much of winter. So yes I am really enjoying this and so are the dogs, even the old one has more bounce in his step during these cooler days. "

nature lover wrote on Feb 9, 2009 8:17 PM:

" OMG get the dogs off the road and tell grannie to come in as someone appears t/b off their meds again... "

Gator wrote on Feb 9, 2009 8:17 PM:

" BLD - those of us with no musical talent can only perfect Guitar Hero!! I envy those of you who have learned to master a true musical instrument.

cm - We haven't used our heat yet this year and the house has been down to 61. Personally I love it and am not yet ready for the hot days of summer. "

Gator wrote on Feb 9, 2009 8:12 PM:

" I happened to be NY recently and found a nice place to eat called the Boatyard Grill in Ithaca. It was a nice relaxing atmosphere on the water and they had a very nice selection of entrees, I would imagine Spring or Summer would be better time to visit though. We found it totally by accident but will definitely be revisiting on our next trip. "

cm wrote on Feb 9, 2009 7:58 PM:

" At the Library with the 'wee one'she is in book heaven! finally warming up-mid 70's today.

congrats BLD on your progress, I wish my divorce was as fast as your wedding planning! "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Feb 9, 2009 7:57 PM:

" nature lover wrote on Feb 9, 2009 7:05 PM:
" lol I was busting yer chops BLD...plus wanted to hear something diff from the boring norm...excellent on that set date and all the work you two have done. MArch w/b here b4 u know it!! hope she likes incense... "

That's ok NL!! I know you have a good sense of humor!! Incense???? Funny you say that. She asked me what to burn about 10 minutes ago!!

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 9, 2009 7:26 PM:
" BLD -- is your location here, there or somewhere in between? I can't remember! Congrats on the progress and glad you are enjoying it so. That's terrific. "

I am relocating to a suburb of Cleveland! 5-5.5hrs from Auburn. Close enough for the relatives!! Missing my Grandma! "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Feb 9, 2009 7:54 PM:

" anonymous wrote on Feb 9, 2009 6:47 PM:
" BLD,

Glad to hear you are so proud of your Guitar Hero exploits. "

I do not do Guitar hero or anything that imitates what a musician does. I play REAL instruments. Thanks for the snide comment. I always thought you were a comedian anyways. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 9, 2009 7:26 PM:

" BLD -- is your location here, there or somewhere in between? I can't remember! Congrats on the progress and glad you are enjoying it so. That's terrific. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 9, 2009 7:24 PM:

" Not this time, AJ -- it was thebone -- I mean, really -- "people dislikes" and "all guys ... likes" -- I guess all "gop" people aren't bad, they just talk funny. "

nature lover wrote on Feb 9, 2009 7:05 PM:

" lol I was busting yer chops BLD...plus wanted to hear something diff from the boring norm...excellent on that set date and all the work you two have done. MArch w/b here b4 u know it!! hope she likes incense... "

anonymous wrote on Feb 9, 2009 6:47 PM:

" BLD,

Glad to hear you are so proud of your Guitar Hero exploits. "

AJ wrote on Feb 9, 2009 5:48 PM:

" UB talkin bout me, FG?

What it is?

lol... "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 9, 2009 3:34 PM:

" Yeah, like all guyz what talks like dez gangstas ain't all bad.... "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Feb 9, 2009 3:18 PM:

" nature lover wrote on Feb 9, 2009 2:43 PM:
" congrats on the song BLD and wondering if u have learned how to sport a tux correctly? any dates yet? "

I know how to wear the Tux!!! We are planning November 14th!!! We have the church, reception hall, caterer, photographer and cake booked!!! We did this 2,888 miles away from each other. Late March, we can do it together! I am very EXCITED!!! I never thought planning a wedding would be so much fun! "

nature lover wrote on Feb 9, 2009 2:43 PM:

" congrats on the song BLD and wondering if u have learned how to sport a tux correctly? any dates yet? "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Feb 9, 2009 2:07 PM:

" I learned Starbreaker by Judas Priest last night!! Cool Tune! "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 9, 2009 11:43 AM:

" Chris, thank yo sincerely for the nice compliment, but I don't consider myself an "expert" on any of those topics--just smarter than YOU.

Hey man--ANYBODY can cut-n-paste editorials from the Wall ST Journal and sound informed! LOL!

"BLAME JIMMY CARTER!!!" (long sigh!) ---oh puhleeeze, Chris! In case you hadn't noticed, the economy (and the housing market) was going just swimmingly throughout the Clinton administration, but started ballooning into a bubble when Bush removed most of the regulations and overseers that could have prevented such wild spending sprees.

Blaming the poor is, well, exactly what I wold expect from a guy who, just up to a few months ago, was telling us all how strong the economy was. Hurts to admit yo were wrong, Chris, --even if you won't--doesn't it?!

Really, the ones to blame are the greedy ba$tards who tried to get rich quick, and the politicians who went along with it and facilitated it.

Ghric, let me make something clear--I think Harry Reid is a J-E-R-K. I got no use for him WHATSOEVER! I think he's slimy and corrupt. I don't agree with the Dem's pro-illegals stand AT ALL. But you seem to be so in lockstep with the neocon Pro-Labor ideology that you can't see the forest for the trees--again, you lack insight to your dubious "facts". Unlike you, I'm not going to waste time trolling the Internet to cite you "facts" to tell you what all of America already knows--that Big Business wants to bust the unions so they can further screw Americans the way they have been doing for the last eight years. They've been using illegals for years. Get real!
Insult away, neoChris. "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 9, 2009 11:36 AM:

" If you want to thank the electric company, they are in the phone book and have a 24 hour call center. "

the bone wrote on Feb 9, 2009 10:52 AM:

" Its a shame how people dislikes a group of people because they are GOP--all Gop aren't bad..Its like saying that all guys with long hair looks like a girl--that would also be wrong.So Karl wake up and speak out of your mouth not your --- "

chris van note wrote on Feb 9, 2009 8:58 AM:

" I'm sure Karl will disagree with this editorial (because Karl is an expert on economics as well as religion, politics, science, etc...just ask him).


The Culprit Is All of Us
By SCOTT S. POWELL

The government's meddling got us into this mess.

Our present crisis began in the 1970s, during the Carter administration, with passage of the Community Reinvestment Act to stem bank redlining and liberalize lending in order to extend home ownership in lower-income communities. Then in the 1990s, the Department of Housing and Urban Development took a fateful step by getting the GSEs to accept subprime mortgages. With Fannie and Freddie easing credit requirements on loans they would purchase from lenders, banks could greatly increase lending to borrowers unqualified for conventional loans. In the name of extending affordable housing, this broadened the acceptability of risky loans throughout the financial system.

No Surprise

The risk lurking in the GSE portfolios was acknowledged in the Bush administration's first fiscal-year budget, released in April 2001. It stated that Fannie and Freddie were "a potential problem" because "financial trouble of a large GSE could cause strong repercussions in the financial markets, affecting federally insured entities and economic activity." Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan issued repeated warnings that the GSEs "placed the total financial system of the future at substantial risk." Such warnings went unheeded even after accounting scandals rocked Fannie and Freddie.

The poor and middle class were encouraged to live beyond their means and buy houses they couldn't afford; speculators were lured into excessive risk-taking; banks were rewarded for lowering their loan standards; and Wall Street found new windfall profits from securitizing and reselling bad loans in bulk. With the support of regulators, credit-rating agencies provided cover for the whole charade.

http://online.barrons.com/article_email/SB123396551669058895-lMyQjAxMDI5MzAzNzkwNjc1Wj.html "

chris van note wrote on Feb 9, 2009 8:24 AM:

" Got any stats to back up your claim Karl with regard to how many non-union companies are using illegal employees?
Shutting out 84 percent of U.S. construction workers is good how?

This simply pay back to the unions for supporting democrats, plain and simple.

Some more garbage from the left:

GOP Sen. Jeff Sessions and Democrat Sen. Ben Nelson attempted several times to bring their bipartisan amendment to the floor last week. SA 239 would require local governments and businesses that receive porkulus money to use the federal E-Verify citizenship check system.

On the House side, a long term extension of the E-Verify program passed there 407-2.

But Democrat Sen. Majority Leader Harry Reid refused to allow it to come to the floor.

Gee, who are the libs really looking out for? Wouldn't it be nice if illegals got part of the Porkulus pie? "

daydreamer wrote on Feb 9, 2009 7:31 AM:

" Almost everything on the '58 current communist goal list is what Reagan, Bush & Cheney did while in office. The last administration used fear, a communist tactic, to strip away our civil liberties. And with the use of the word "CZAR" (started with Reagan) being freely used to describe government positions, and a 2 party system, we need to change something. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 9, 2009 1:27 AM:

" Chris, what on Earth were you popping, shooting, smoking, or drinking tonight?

Staying up late to carry the water for the new Union-busting attempts by Repubs in the debate coming up in the government, huh?

I expected nothing less from you. You're like a train--predictable, always on time.

Increased prices man increased wages for American workers, who have been getting SHAFTED by American employers and Big Business who have been using ILLEGAL LABOR to shaft us all.

President Obama knows EXACTLY what he's doing.

That "commie" stuff was among the stoooopidest stuff I've heard you post in a while. Haven't you moved beyond that silly crap YET?! "

chris van note wrote on Feb 8, 2009 10:37 PM:

" More fun from President Hopey Changy:

Associated Builders and Contractors (ABC) today denounced an Executive Order signed by President Obama that repeals Executive Order 13202, that prohibited federal agencies and recipients of federal funding from requiring contractors to sign union-only project labor agreements (PLAs) as a condition of performing work on federal and federally funded construction projects.

"Today's decision to repeal Executive Order 13202 opens the door to waste and discrimination in federal and federally funded construction contracts," said ABC President and CEO Kirk Pickerel. "This action removes the safeguards that prohibited discrimination based upon union affiliation in the awarding of federal contracts.

"Construction contracts subject to union-only PLAs are designed to be awarded exclusively to unionized contractors and their all-union workforces," said Pickerel. "Absent the economic benefits of competitive bidding, union-only PLAs are known to increase construction costs between 10 percent and 20 percent and discriminate against minorities, women and qualified construction workers who have traditionally been excluded from union membership.

"Union-only PLAs drive up costs for American taxpayers while unfairly discriminating against 84 percent of U.S. construction workers who choose not to join a labor union," added Pickerel. "All taxpayers should have the opportunity to compete fairly on any project funded by the federal government."

First the Socialist Spendulus, now the freeze-out of non-union workers with regard to government contracts.

From W. Cleon Skousen's 1958 CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS:

#36: Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

Some other points Skousen makes from the same list, see if any ring a bell with the current administration, just substitute liberal for communist:

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 8, 2009 8:28 PM:

" B0NER, you're FOS.

With your Conservative bent, there's no way you would support Guirkiani for mayor--stop yanking my chain. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 8, 2009 8:17 PM:

" I like that thinking, Tom. If we generate the garbage here, let us figure out what to do with our own waste, but let those other people deal with their waste where they live and not dump it on us, making what was once a lovely countryside into a polluted mess no better than some ugly, filthy urban area.

Short of a plague, I don't know that there is any real cure for the mess we are making of the planet, but humans really weren't meant to live in such high concentrations -- makes people squirrely and aggressive, on the whole. My opinion, but based on behavioral studies of many years.... "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 8, 2009 7:52 PM:

" Kathy? If you mean me, I sent it within minutes of speaking to you yesterday. Maybe Hotmail is rejecting Thumpernet. I'lll try from my work account. "

the bone wrote on Feb 8, 2009 4:37 PM:

" Rudy Giuliani for Governor that would be the best thing that could happen to NEW YORK. "

brew1234 wrote on Feb 8, 2009 4:35 PM:

" When you close the landfill you will have to pay trash haulers to pick up and carry trash to the nearest landfill. The price of removal of trash will increase many times more than you are paying now. The landfills will want more money for many items that you probably are having hauled away for free today. It will create a burden for city budgets. There will be the same amount of garbage trucks as they will be coming through town to take your garbage to transfer stations and then to big rigs to haul the garbage away. Your tax burden will be dependent on the tipping fees of the regional landfills. If the current income of the Auburn landfill is not being put into a fund to cover closing and setting up new trash service and a real recycling program the city is flirting with going broke and huge tax increases. Is the city prepared for this? You must keep the landfill open for as long as possible to keep a revenue flow to fund the upcoming situation. If you keep the landfill open and don't fund closing costs it will be fiscal suicide for Auburn and surrounding communities. "

scouty wrote on Feb 8, 2009 3:29 PM:

" i think that most times that it is a real good idea to carry a flyswatter. "

scouty wrote on Feb 8, 2009 3:20 PM:

" rudy kazzoty for mayor
karl, i disagree, he is not a jerk, he is a BIG JERK. "

Tom wrote on Feb 8, 2009 1:39 PM:

" If the landfill is closed, besides the millions in expense as Brew correctly points out, just what exactly do people propose doing with their trash?
Wouldn't the sensible thing be to make better use of the available space by restricting the usage to county residents rather than the current importing of trash from other areas?
That would drastically cut down on the truck traffic and also give locals a long term place to dispose of trash.
If people were more responsible in the amount of trash they generate, that would also solve some of the problem. "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 8, 2009 11:44 AM:

" Kathy, how about that email? "

karl the 2nd wrote on Feb 8, 2009 11:44 AM:

" How about this story that says that the GOP wants Rudy Giuliani for Governor of NY now?

WTF?!?!

Rudy Giuliani showed his true colors by wedding himself to the Bush administration. He was in power when 9/11 happened--so depending what you believe, he was either IN on Cheney's plot, or was incompetent enough not to know it was coming.

His statements during the campaigns show that he is an authoritarian personality in the mold of Cheney/Rumsfeld, and he has endorsed all the psychotic paranoia and fear mongering that the last administration typified.

New Yorkers should do EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to prevent this jerk from holding office ever again. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Feb 8, 2009 9:55 AM:

" That tells you what kind of stuff is sitting there untended as long as the place is open if you have to do all those environmental repairs when it closes! "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 8, 2009 8:27 AM:

" You're a piece of work brew! "

brew1234 wrote on Feb 8, 2009 2:40 AM:

" If you close the landfill the EPA will demand it be capped and environmentally be mined and cleaned at a cost of millions of dollars. Does the city have any future plans for the millions needed to do this? Any revenue they currently make on the landfill should be put away for future closing costs. You had better ask these questions before it is too late. "

brew1234 wrote on Feb 8, 2009 2:36 AM:

" Sorry, I named the wrong dog killer. Thank you for the correction NL. And I was just asking if you worked for the DPW and took the amnesty. If you don't work for the DPW I obviously was not accusing you of stealing. So just cool your jets. "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 7, 2009 8:08 PM:

" thanks nl, I'll see what brew has to say. "

nature lover wrote on Feb 7, 2009 7:53 PM:

" anonymous is the resident dog killer, not movedsouth. "

movedsouth wrote on Feb 7, 2009 5:53 PM:

" movedsouth wrote on Feb 7, 2009 12:02 PM:
" blew1234, what kind of a person are you accusing me of being a dog killer? Although I have never worked for the DPW, to have you call someone a thief show what kind of integrity you have. Brew, get off your high horse and treat people as you would like to be treated. BTW, I am NOT a thief! "

brew1234 wrote on Feb 7, 2009 5:30 PM:

" The mayor is the chairman of the city council not the head of city government. In case you are unaware, you have a city manager style government. "

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