Two Cents

Thursday, December 4, 2008 5:17 PM EST

Not one retail or wholesale store has ever ordered anything that was delivered in a garbage truck from New York City. Save the land, close the dump!



Kudos to the mayor of Tully on his questions: why do we need the county legislators and what do they do for us?

Maybe the truckers will take some advice from the Indians and they'll know how to butter up the governor and they'll be able to use the roads they ought to be able to use in the first place --- since we all pay taxes and they're New York state highways.

They're holding a poor woman responsible for tax evasion, when the governors are allowing the Indians to get away with it.




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cm wrote on Dec 11, 2008 7:16 AM:

" anonymous: (day off)sorry I was a bit busy..
went to work--then to my comp.doctor
(having a purple baby toe, and very little pulse in both my legs/feet)
he's sending me for xrays and ultrasounds. finally home at 5pm then neighbor wanted us to meet her new foster child..

I was sooo tired I actually was in bed by 8:30pm--my NEW record! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 11, 2008 5:24 AM:

" Chapman is still in Attica, having been denied parole 5 times. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 11, 2008 5:17 AM:

" I don't always agree with Karl calling so many people racist on really rather slim "evidence" -- but dd's last comment would qualify in my books. Every black American is waiting for handouts?!?? You've obviously never known any well-to-do and well-educated African Americans like some of the women with whom I've gone to school, or some of the librarians I've known. You've also never known some of the decent, kind-hearted, hard-working poor people, black and white, I've known. You've obviously opened your mouth and let a big ugly frog jump out waving a flag proclaiming your prejudice. "

jonathan dough wrote on Dec 11, 2008 12:02 AM:

" Scouty, Chapman is in Attica not Auburn. "

anonymous wrote on Dec 10, 2008 10:48 PM:

" It is great to see that some of our regular contibutors took today off in honor of the great Day without a Gay protest. I support you all, God Bless you all in the struggle you are facing. Fight the good fight! "

dd wrote on Dec 10, 2008 10:10 PM:

" With regard to Obama-----birds of a feather..........Isn't that what you'd say Karl if it were a friend of Bush? Wait until every black american finds out Obama isn't giving handouts----they will be having parades in downtown protesting. "

scouty wrote on Dec 10, 2008 9:22 PM:

" john lennon was murdered today
if he had lived could he have made a difference, i have always felt that he could have, david chapman is here in auburn "

chris van note wrote on Dec 10, 2008 10:41 AM:

" daydreamer wrote on Dec 10, 2008 7:22 AM:

" Sorry C.V.N., I just caught the article about the Illinois Governor. I thought it was common knowledge that most people get into politics because of the rewards once they leave office. Presidents now make a small fortune for speaking engagements and book deals. Laura Bush will get a nice tidy sum for her book about "dubya". "

Thats just it, once they leave office they are free to persue anything they'd like but trying to basically sell a senate seat and get writers and editors fired because you don't like what they had written about you goes beyond the pale.
I find it interesting (frightening actually) that our incoming president has had so many connections with criminals and radicals (Ayers, Rezko, Wright, Farrahkan). I was always told that you are known by the company you keep. "

brew1234 wrote on Dec 10, 2008 10:23 AM:

" No one is in charge, we are participants. Stop with the attitude. I listen to evryone's opinion and I respond when I have a counterpoint. It's called a dialogue. I think that everyone on this forum welcomes opinions and comments, but not smart aleck sniper attacks. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 10, 2008 9:21 AM:

" I took a minute to look up RSD, daydreamer. That can't be easy to deal with, but good for you getting online and living life as fully as possible. I have a dear friend with Friedrich's Ataxia, also a progressive disease -- it has the progressive loss of function, but not the chronic pain of RSD. He's reached a point where he can no longer communicate either vocally or with a keyboard, and his mom is working on helping him get some assistive technology going. I keep in touch by sending him little notes to which I don't expect an answer, esp. on subjects I know are of interest to him. But it sure is a tough row to hoe.

No one here should bust on you for typos and so forth given that you have a good reason and it isn't just laziness or the mental inability to form and express comprehensible thoughts.

Welcome, diverse views and all, and I hope you can hang with us a while. "

scouty wrote on Dec 10, 2008 8:01 AM:

" i'm sorry brew, i did'nt realize that you were in charge "

daydreamer wrote on Dec 10, 2008 7:22 AM:

" Sorry C.V.N., I just caught the article about the Illinois Governor. I thought it was common knowledge that most people get into politics because of the rewards once they leave office. Presidents now make a small fortune for speaking engagements and book deals. Laura Bush will get a nice tidy sum for her book about "dubya". "

daydreamer wrote on Dec 10, 2008 7:01 AM:

" I believe that one of the arguments against Lakeside, was that property taxes were higher in the area because these 2 businesses were allowed to operate. I'm glad that everone's property taxes will be lower now. I do not care if anyone does not like my spelling or punctuation, I have widespred R.S.D. and am just happy to be here. To CVN, from an old "friend" from Owasco, who is Rod Blagojevich? "

cm wrote on Dec 10, 2008 6:59 AM:

" I have a zoo full here..
3 dogs (mini-dachshunds)
4 cats
1 bunny
1 dwarf hamster
1 turtle
1 leopard gecko
2 goldfish

the daughter made her Xmas list:
a REAL horse, and german shepard plus golden retriever puppies..

(can ya tell she hopes to be a VET when shes older?) "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 10, 2008 5:01 AM:

" Thanks, sonofmaddog -- that's as it should be. No one expects us all to agree, and certainly not all the time, but it's ever so much more pleasant and productive when you can disagree respectfully. I have been known to slip and allow myself to be sucked into responding to some of the childishness, but I try to avoid it.

BTW, I like dogs too, though we currently have a problem dog Farmer Guy's daughter dumped on him. The dog is no good with cats. You wouldn't be interested in a English springer spaniel, 5 years old, fixed, with papers? He's not a bad dog, just not good with cats and he's causing endless trouble at the farm. We've been trying to place him with an agency, but they are dragging it out, and Farmer Guy is pretty close to putting him down and having done with it. We'd both rather he found a good home. If there are any seriously interested parties, let me know and I'll find a way for us to be in touch. "

brew1234 wrote on Dec 10, 2008 12:40 AM:

" Scouty and anonymoose. A match made in heaven. They complain about our opinions and arguments but most of their posts are just attacks with no opinions or rational arguments, just blathering. You guys are like static on the radio. Annoying, but you can be ignored easily. Have a lovely day gentlemen. "

scouty wrote on Dec 9, 2008 11:37 PM:

" who mourns for(karl) logan "

scouty wrote on Dec 9, 2008 11:36 PM:

" don't start about cats. "

scouty wrote on Dec 9, 2008 8:32 PM:

" "who mourns for logan" "

sonofmaddog wrote on Dec 9, 2008 8:16 PM:

" i have only posted once before and this may be the last time. i think you are taking pot-shots at the wrong person when you target the farmer gal. there are very few people on this site that give consideration to opinions different from her own. she will relate when and why she feels otherwise and she will do it in a non-offensive way unlike karl and his stooges. she has obvious intelligence but does not see the need to yell about how smart she is and that everyone that does not agree with her must be stupid. i do not agree with her all of the time myself but i actually respect her opinion more because of the way she says what she has to say without the need to berate while commenting. the biggest idiots are the ones that try to convince the readers how utterly brilliant they are. the only problem i have with farmers gal is that she is a cat person. personally i love cats but i cant eat a whole one by myself. "

chris van note wrote on Dec 9, 2008 6:43 PM:

" This isn’t the Rod Blagojevich I knew... "

nature lover wrote on Dec 9, 2008 6:23 PM:

" Syracuse China is closing in March after more than 100 yrs here in central NY!! everyday there is either complete closings or some large firm is letting 1000's go. Can we get any worse off?

OFF YOUR ROCKER!!! HNR "

anonymous wrote on Dec 9, 2008 6:00 PM:

" SCOUTY, YOU ARE SO RIGHT. JUST WAIT UNTIL YOU GET TO KNOW THE REGULARS AND SEE HOW UNARMED THEY ARE. IT IS SORT OF LIKE USA AGAINST IRAQ. "

scouty wrote on Dec 9, 2008 5:39 PM:

" a battle of wits is not fair if your opponent is unarmed "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 9, 2008 5:21 PM:

" Ah, hit and run who craves attention, which is bought with bad behavior, just like in Kindergarten. Have seen it before. Time to hit the "ignore completely hereafter" button. "

anonymous wrote on Dec 9, 2008 3:39 PM:

" I DON'T WANT MORONS TO READ ME, SO I WRITE IN ALL CAPS. IF YOU DON'T WANT MORONS TO READ WHAT YOU WRITE, USE ALL CAPS. "

cm wrote on Dec 9, 2008 2:54 PM:

" FG: the bottom of the wall oak colored. the top is tan with tiny flowers..
both paneling!
tried priming a section under a BIG family pic..not looking too promising to simply prime and paint!

ideas??? "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 9, 2008 2:47 PM:

" Mostly I ignore all caps -- too hard to read. If you want people to actually read what you write, dump the caps. "

anonymous wrote on Dec 9, 2008 2:32 PM:

" I HAVE A WRENCH FOR YOU MARK. OT COULD BE WORSE AND YOU COULD BE LIKE THE REGULARS HEAR AND HAVE A SCREW LOOSE. "

anonymous wrote on Dec 9, 2008 2:28 PM:

" DID EVERYONE HEAR ABOUT THE ILLINOIS GOVERNOR? HE WASN'T JUST BUYING PROSTITUTES. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 9, 2008 1:15 PM:

" Might do you some good, Mark -- it's been loose long enough....

I'd forgotten the band's name and saw Man-o-War and thought of the race horse. "

anonymous wrote on Dec 9, 2008 1:13 PM:

" SCOUTY, JUST IGNORE BREW. HE ATTACKS ANYONE THAT DARES SPEAK UP AGAINST THE MEMBERS OF THE HOLY TRINITY. I THINK I LIKE SHOUTING, I DON'T CARE IF IT IS BAD NETIQUETTE. IN FACT, I ENCOURAGE ALL TO SHOUT OUT SO THAT ALL CAN HEAR!!!!!!!!!!! "

mark wrote on Dec 9, 2008 12:29 PM:

" if i have to endure another week of reading about farmer gal's house i am going to lose a nut. "

jonathan dough wrote on Dec 9, 2008 12:29 PM:

" Caroline Kennedy's last name is her political experience. This should make her a perfect replacement for Hillary Rodham Clinton. "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Dec 9, 2008 12:16 PM:

" Wow, SCOUTY. Sounds like you need more fiber! As for Manowar taking a long tour, I would love it if they came out to Southern California! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 9, 2008 11:49 AM:

" Rare, tender steak with FLAVOR (singularly lacking in the beef you buy at the grocery store) is absolutely the best. Well, maybe perfect avocadoes are better -- it's a toss-up for me!

I'm hoping to get a tree this weekend -- last several years I've purchased my tree from one of Farmer Guy's young friends who helps him with hay loading. This guy's family cuts a few trees each year -- maybe a dozen or so? -- and people buy them on word-of-mouth -- I've paid $10-$15 for perfect trees I've loved. This year it will go in my new house -- if I had thought of it sooner (enough time to make plans and get out invitations), I would have planned a holiday open house, esp. for friends who weren't able to make it to my other party (but also for those who did).

Instead, perhaps I can just extend a blanket invitation for people to stop by whenever I am home.

How about painting the same color as the bottom? I've seen some pretty tacky paint jobs where people try to get cute. There were photos in a drawer of my new home when I bought it of renovations done back in the 70s and 80s. Oh my God. The kitched was done in 3 different tiny brown print wallpapers, including all the cupboards. Hideous! Most of the other rooms had top and bottom 2 different wallpapers, also in prints, mostly brown.

I do like brown, but this house was grotesque. As much as I dislike the screaming pea green in what was a toddler girl's bedroom, the rest of the house has mostly nice colors and the people immediately before me did everyone a huge favor painting over that disgusting wallpaper. (Of course, now I have to figure out the best way to get two layers of painted-over wallpaper off the pea-green room's walls, as I finally broke down and bought the plus bedding and window treatments I want for the room -- on sale with a discount on top -- comforter, shams, sheets, pillowcases, bedskirt, window panels and valence, shipping, handling and tax all matching, delivered, all for under $95)

OOPS! I see the Governor of Illinois has been arrested -- for stuff a lot worse than visiting a call girl. OOPS! I see some goofus accidentally left Visanthe Sciancoe in the picture in the lockerroom barely wearing a towel (I noticed that live and wondered -- sure enough, someone is apologizing this morning!) "

cm wrote on Dec 9, 2008 8:13 AM:

" I too was trying to think of something nice to say to 'scouty'
but I am only on my 4th cup of coffee-another hour and I should ready to conquer the long day ahead.

for now, BREWs first sentence will do!

FG: the NEW mobile homes are very nice--I would NEVER live in the old ones-major fire hazard!
I have a one-story house-I so would love a 2-story with a front porch!
with surround-sound in every room!
(friends have a new mobile with that feature)
Def Leppard would really be cranking then! hahaha "

cm wrote on Dec 9, 2008 8:05 AM:

" so sorry FG--I could eat shrimp scampi all day long!
but my true FAV is a good steak!

finally have the tree decorated-did that in between yesterdays split shifts of work.

I still want to paint the top half of the living room wall--but STILL havent decided on a color???!!!

sorry to rub it in but its going to be 83 today!
I wish more would post SNOW pics of Auburn. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 9, 2008 7:47 AM:

" Maybe I'll get chrome tires when you get some manners, scouty. You can start by learning it is against netiquette to type in all caps, which means you are shouting (or lazy). We make an exception for AngMom because she has a vision problem. Otherwise, it's just too difficult to read those lazy people's posts in all caps.

BTW, just because I live in Genoa doesn't make me a woodchuck. I also have a self-confessed prejudice against mobile homes. I know they work out well for some folks who can own their own place this way, but for me, I'd rather live in a cardboard shack -- too much poverty stigma attached to mobile homes for me. My apologies to the folks who are happily living in mobile homes -- no offense intended.

I have a lovely two story, 3-bedroom house built in 1870 and very well maintained ever since. I bought it all on my own and am very proud of the accomplishment -- so your attempted insult just shows your ignorance and lack of manners.

How much is anyone's freedom worth when they have been wrongfully imprisioned for years and dragged through the mud in public? I don't know that I'd want to put a dollar amount on it, but the man deserves some kind of settlement. Sure, the rest of us could USE the extra money, but he deserves something for the wrongs done him, which is an entirely different matter. "

brew1234 wrote on Dec 9, 2008 1:11 AM:

" Another sniper has entered the fray. A jerk without an original thought or theory just taking shots at people. Make a real relevant point or don't speak. Grow up! "

scouty wrote on Dec 8, 2008 8:07 PM:

" FOR CHRISTMAS I HOPE THAT FARMERS GAL GETS A NEW SET OF CHROME WHEELS FOR THE HOUSE "

scouty wrote on Dec 8, 2008 8:04 PM:

" MAN-O-WAR NEEDS TO GO ON A REALLY LONG TOUR "

scouty wrote on Dec 8, 2008 8:02 PM:

" ROY BROWN NEEDS 5 MILLION BUCKS LIKE ALL OF US NEED A RAISE. HOW MUCH DO HIS ATTORNEYS COLLECT ON A SETTLEMENT OF THAT SIZE. BEING A LAWYER USED TO BE A PROFESSION TO BE PROUD OF. "

scouty wrote on Dec 8, 2008 7:57 PM:

" 2 things, County Treasurer Orman should, and can find out who in his office is a thief and why they were motivated to take money that did'nt belong to them, because they are still there in his office working for the county.
when he recovers the money and the thief is punished only then can he keep the recovered money as his raise.
#2 he has given an oponnent a perfect reason to run against him and defeat him in his re-election campaign.
NOW IS NOT A GOOD TIME TO ASK FOR A RAISE! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 8, 2008 10:31 AM:

" Mostly "organic" food is wicked expensive, and places are reluctant to call it "organic" if it isn't certified as such. I don't care for the certification -- I think they go overboard in the other direction. An animal should be able to have meds if it's sick, it just shouldn't be given meds as a matter of course because it is living under deplorable conditions, chained in a stall its entire life. I've touted "sensible" farming here before.

If I worked at it, I could find places, but probably not inexpensive ones. And sometimes I do just like to go out and have someone wait on me. But it doesn't break my heart to not go out often.

You must understand -- to me, shrimp look like oversized maggots and I don't know how anyone can eat them. Blech! So, a chacun son gout and it leaves more of them for you to eat! ;-) "

nature lover wrote on Dec 8, 2008 9:33 AM:

" welp one of my recommendations is off the list for ya then FG: Kabuki, a sushi bar...and for all those going ewww or yuk if u ate sushi u would know its not all raw seafood and not all seafood either and not all rolls...japanese at its best...I made a wonderful stirfry lobster for dinner last nite w/sidedish of roasted brussels...we eat seafood regularly (very rarely meat - argh) and crustaseans are super cheap right now...u can find really nice restaurants here and around the FL's that supply local fair and I am not talking chains...perhaps years ago they all got supplies from Sysco but that isnt the case now... "

Farmers Gal wrote on Dec 8, 2008 8:23 AM:

" Hmm, let's see -- I don't eat seafood (can't be in the room with other people eating it either; I can't go to the mall any more because there are huge images of FISH all over the place thanks to Bass Pro -- I have an aversion to fish and seafood). I don't eat much pasta if I can avoid it. I eat mostly beef, pork, venison and chicken, as well as beans, eggs, salad and veggies. I love to eat homemade soup or chili.

Restaurants with reasonable prices don't serve locally-grown, humanely raised and humanely slaughtered meats like I can get from Farmer Guy or his friends.

So my motivation for eating out is considerably lessened -- and it helps me meet my mortgage payments besides! "

localman wrote on Dec 8, 2008 7:44 AM:

" I see the commercial truck enforcement officer "Hutch" hasn't beat any truckers with hit club lately, Has he turned over a new leaf?? "

cm wrote on Dec 8, 2008 7:40 AM:

" Like NATURE: I used to eat out atleast once a week! until the split-up.

I used coupons for Red Lobster (my fav) and my daughter is always receiving freebies from school.
The local dive, with the best food, has a delicious spaghetti special on Tuesdays.
Plus I take advantage of the kids eat free at Dennys (daughters fav).

eating out doesnt really have to be costly, if you search online for great deals. or sign up for newsletter specials via email from your FAV spots. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 7, 2008 8:18 PM:

" The refs are terrible this year, and I don't think it is just in my head.

I've never been able to afford eating out often, so luckily I am not used to it. Farmer Guy goes years without eating out. I have restaurant food a few times a year at conferences, and once in a while we'll all go out at work to Viva Taqueria just off the Commons as a whole department. I try to have things I wouldn't have at home, because mostly Farmer Guy is right -- the healthy, locally-grown meat he gets from his friends is always better than what you get in a restaurant. Well, we did celebrate my promotion 2 years ago with a trip to the John Thomas Steak House in Ithaca, and the food was fabulous -- dinner was also $150 for 2. Can't be doing that on a regular basis! "

horseradish wrote on Dec 7, 2008 7:21 PM:

" upstate should just secede from nyc anyways. let them deal with their own f'ing garbage. "

horseradish wrote on Dec 7, 2008 7:20 PM:

" how can anyone even watch the nfl anymore, the refs are terrible. "

nature lover wrote on Dec 7, 2008 12:52 PM:

" FG in rereading your post about that restaurant...I forgot to mention that I agree w/Farmer Dude in that the meatballs are nasty there. They are using lamb or some disgusting meat blend. I cant even stand the smell of lamb to begin with. I think the economic situation hasn't affected the places that we frequent - like anything u have to know where to go and not just because maybe at one time it was tops/places definantly change...I have to chuckle at the "store boughten" food line...I would go mad if c/n eat out at least once a week... "

cm wrote on Dec 7, 2008 12:26 PM:

" FG: very true about adults treating kids horribly.
'the sis' was aweful to her son from the second he was born. I had asked to take him since he was 2. but for appearance sake she wouldn't have it.

numerous times we called SS on her concerning him..all was peachy when their 'appointment to show up' arrived.

she would even take back HIS x-mas gifts for money for dope.but NOT her other 2 kids stuff! This child was beaten,abused,starved, lock in room,etc.

This kid has been in and out of trouble so many times, when he became 18, I kept repeating he needed to show her 'he is better' but the anger inside him seems to spit out bad actions.

he now (3rd time) sits in CC jail, for the past year,(car driver in a home robbery)--he deserves to be punished for sure..
as I have bluntly written him!
BUT if he doesnt get a 'great' counselor he can relate to--his life will forever be based on anger and in trouble!

his older sister has emotional woes, his younger brother(the robber in the house) is out on bail, APD knows these two boys well.
sad, but some adults are NOT meant to be parents at all. "

nature lover wrote on Dec 7, 2008 12:22 PM:

" cm posted "still it wouldnt be a 'web' news unless someone opened blogs"..

dont take everything u find on the web as gospel, in fact there is more bogus info on the web then in real papers as there is accountability there with actual writers. CSX does NOT aid in dumping trash. They are merely hired to get it to the next round. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 7, 2008 10:57 AM:

" On the athletes and drugs thing, cm -- agreed. Well, I can't really get down on Ricky Williams for his marijuana use. He's got this whole mellow rasta-like thing going, not like getting coked up and going out and hurting someone. But that is a league rule, and it sure looks like he has finally made his choice in favor of football and has cleaned up and is playing fairly decent football (so long as that b*stard, Albert Haynesworth, doesn't deliberately stomp on his back when he is down again -- I can't believe they would EVER consider that jerk for any kind of MVP). Good for Ricky Williams.

But Adam Pacman Jones? He has had more than enough chances with his drinking problem and hanging with a bad crowd. I wouldn't have given him this last chance, but, hey, he plays for Dallas where they love the biggest jerks in the game.

Vick is another story. He deserved a lot more than 18 months for his part in the horrible cruelty of dog fighting and killing dogs who didn't perform well enough for the audiences' sick blood-lust. Contrite or not, he should be OUT.

But to the best of my knowledge, Burress has never been in trouble for drugs or alcohol or any violent crimes like dogfighting or punching a woman in the face at a nightclub.

All of which demonstrates to my mind the need for judge and jury in each case to consider the unique and individual circumstances and for the sentence to be appropriate to the crime -- not mandatory from the get-go. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 7, 2008 10:51 AM:

" Keep in mind that some have treated their own children badly -- I won't name names, but know someone whose mother scr*wed him so royally -- not once, but repeatedly, and on things that affect his whole life from then to the end -- that I can't blame him for never visiting her and avoiding even talking on the phone with her. There are louses out there, and they aren't all younger folks. "

cm wrote on Dec 7, 2008 10:06 AM:

" reading the OBITS:
THOMAS, Elon J., 102, of 25 Burgess St., Auburn, died Wednesday, Dec. 3, 2008

I wondered how many other 100+ are living in Auburn??

speaking of old age, being at the mall everyday, you see alot!
one grandma, barely able to walk and her oversized grankid in HER scooter.

then another grandma sitting and waiting. With tiny frail hands that reached out to her grand-daughter for aid to get up, gentle hugs, a pat on the back, and warm loving smiles.

..thinking I know I will be blessed with the 'later of the two' when I am 80-90..
yet so many others are treated horribly by their own family! "

cm wrote on Dec 7, 2008 9:53 AM:

" Nature: I knew it wasnt CSX doing the actual dumping in the waters, still it wouldnt be a 'web' news unless someone opened blogs about CSX aiding the dumping company!

the local Police did a drive the other day-to collect expired or un-used prescriptions, to stop some of the 'down the toilet' into 'our waters'

even though filtering takes most of it out--there has been fish high on Oxy's!

If we in our own little communities take the time to recycle, maybe the next generation would learn better!

AS for the EX--had his staples out Thursday, another 3 weeks out of work (dr. said it should be 6-8 wks, but if he promises not to lift, he will lower it)--then followed by 3 months of light-duty.
this was very serious! with-in 3hrs of death, and the healing of the bowel is NOT a quick thing! If he over-lifts too soon he will cause another hernia, the next one might not be repairable.

my neighbor said her dad died of this last year-it was the second hernia that put him on tube-feeding, but the infection couldnt be stopped!

he's very appreciative my door is open but not so liking to my honest words of a future.
maybe this was a wake up? maybe its a safe-haven for the moment? "

cm wrote on Dec 7, 2008 9:37 AM:

" with any of these PRO-players I would be willing to give them a second chance with their JOB--providing the crime is NOT extreme.
But these team-owners seem to give chance after chance after chance!

they should be treated No different than you and I, if we did drugs and our employer was nice enough to send us to rehab--they shouldnt be drugging when they get home!
they should be FIRED!
there are so many hard working sports-minded GOOD people who would LOVE the chance to play PRO!
yet a spot isnt open because coaches and owners turn their backs to the wrongs of players, yet hike up the costs of tickets..
personally I wouldnt pay a dime to see the likes of Darryl Strawberry or Michael Vick! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 7, 2008 8:52 AM:

" In all that long post, what I meant was -- Yes, celebrity status is an issue when it comes to league standing. It should not be an issue when it comes to applying the law. However, in this case, I don't think the law is right and would take the same position if the circumstances were the same for some unknown person. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 7, 2008 8:51 AM:

" nature, yes, I mentioned the name in a previous post, but the thing was -- Farmer Guy had a $100 gift certificate to that restaurant -- and it was hard enough for me to get him to go out for "store boughten" food even when he didn't have to pay for it. I understand that the economic situation has changed and it's hard on businesses like restaurants, but now I may NEVER get him to go out to eat again! As he said, I sure wouldn't PAY for this.... "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 7, 2008 8:49 AM:

" No disagreement, Brew, or at least not the basics. And the NFL is punishing Burress -- he's suspended the rest of the season and his career is on the line.

I spent some time this morning reading up on the details of what went down, and it just does not sound like anything sinister and more along the lines of poor judgment -- not totally idiotic judgment, but poor choices -- on Burress' part. What Pierce did was perfectly logical to me -- his friend, whom he doesn't know even has a gun until it goes off, shoots himself in the thigh. He gets him to the car to take him to the hospital, and on the way, calls the team trainer to ask which hospital, and to notify the team who in turn notifies the league, who in turn are supposed to notify the police. They are surely used to a chain of command when anything comes up that might have to do with the media at some level, and the police as well. Pierce made the calls on the way to the hospital.

As they were about to pull away, the club's security person, who had grabbed the gun and unloaded it almost immediately after it went off, brought the gun to the car and says, What do you want me to do with this. The two players are focussed on getting the injured guy to the hospital, so the guard tosses the gun in the glove box and off they go.

Anyone who has ever been in an emergency room with a serious injury can tell you how surreal the whole thing is, and how things you'd think of right away are not the focus of the moment.

And no one except Tiki Barber has made an issue of pointing out that Burress didn't carry this gun around all the time -- his teammate, Steve Smith, had just been robbed at gunpoint the previous week and the whole team had been talking about that incident.

Burress: Should have gotten his registration and permit transferred to New York when he moved from Florida. He should have made sure he kept it current. However, if he had kept the concealed weapon permit up-to-date for this state, he would not have been breaking the law to have it with him in just the manner he did when it went off. He messed up on the paperwork and bureaucratic process, and, in my opinion, he messed up to carry it at all when he was out drinking at 1:30 AM (not the best thing for any athlete to be doing) -- although reports indicate they ordered only one drink apiece, hardly what you'd calling boozing.

Because he is a celebrity and kids look up to him, he should indeed be punished - where it hurts, in terms of playing football. But a mandatory 3 1/2 years in prison is just not appropriate for this incident. "

forrest wrote on Dec 7, 2008 8:18 AM:

" Scouty, funny you should ask about the robbery at the County Treasures office, this mornings(12-7-08) Post-Standard has a article that the Treasure Orman wants a $4,842 raise, he says he's doing a good job, and he says that he hope the $13,000 theft doesn't hurt his chances of getting this raise. Now he's never answered to the theft of the money and hopes the taxpayer forgot about it, of course he tried to blame the past Treasure(Farrell) in the way he did things, of course Farrell never had money taken from his office. If Orman wants a raise, I say every year he gets a raise, he should pay it back to the County until the $13,000 is paid back, the theft happpened while he was boss and he was responsible. There are taxpayers in this county that lost their jobs and there are people in this county who donot make $4,842 a year. Whats this guy thinking? "

ANGMOM3 wrote on Dec 6, 2008 10:26 PM:

" GOOD WISHES AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL.
PEACE BE THE JOURNEY. "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Dec 6, 2008 6:43 PM:

" NL, I was just joking with the peyote. I am interested in trying it. I like the spiritual part of it. "

scouty wrote on Dec 6, 2008 5:52 PM:

" don't hear much anymore about the robbery at the county treasures office.
why not! "

brew1234 wrote on Dec 6, 2008 3:00 PM:

" If a guy gets millions of dollars to entertain the public with football, he has a responsiblity to show a sense of responsibility and be a good citizen. If he has any fear of going to a club and feels he needs a firearm he shouldn't be at that club. The legal system should be fair with him, but the league should boot him out. These idiots that can't behave when they get millions to play a game should be held to a moral standard and if they can't do it then become former NFL players. "

nature lover wrote on Dec 6, 2008 12:39 PM:

" cm enjoy your belated Thanksgiving dinner! how is the ex recovering? & 2 just correct u and perhaps others, it is NOT CSX that dumps in the ocean. CSX has a specific trash train that hauls it to a barge system and it is the municipality that is responsible for the actual dumping. Merely a way not a means.

BTW, the largest dump site in the world is btwn the coast of Ca and Japan said to measure Texas x4. Trash is a sad state of our lifestyle.

FG, I beleive I know what restaurant u refer too. We nvr liked to eat in (decor too shabby) but often do take out from their back door and it is very good that way. The veggie of the day got t/b only buttered corn and honestly who eats that? so I can c why that was dropped. And since the onset of artisan breads few years back, baked goods have skyrocketed in price. so the luxury of asst breads just w/n/b cost worthy but they do make up for it in portions. We order one entree and get an extra salad and we still cant eat it all. There are several fine restaurants in the area that I could recommend as we eat out often because we work 2 many hrs.

BLD, she was issued appearance tickets for running a red lite primary then posession of untaxed cigs. She did not appear which is terribly ignorant and due process requires a bench warrant. So basically something she c/h gotton out of easity or at least cheap she turned around to shooting herself in the foot! Now come on w/the peyote...really?...my days of doing that kinda stuff were a good quarter century ago and middle aged folks drink themselves into oblivion now right? lol just kidding...i reread my post from last nite and I honestly had about 6oz more of vino than I s/h....oh well the place was packed and merry and guess I got carried away...

I would be willing to try venison again one day...so Karl are u gonna have a two cents dinner party?

all enjoy your weekend...Sunday super brr w/snow argh.... "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 6, 2008 12:11 PM:

" The bad shot is not just bad for the meat, it's unnecessarily cruel. I have seen horribly maimed deer running in the road, miles from where they were most likely shot -- and would like to apply the same wound to the idiot who pulled the trigger. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 6, 2008 12:10 PM:

" Not to mention, Karl, how much harder it is to skin if they leave it hanging around. It's a heck of a lot easier to skin and cut and wrap if they bring them in fresh (so says Farmer Guy, whom I hardly see this time of year until deer season is over -- he makes his winter earnings skinning deer and finding hay and straw for his regular customers when his is all sold).

Just for the record -- I don't think Burress should get special consideration because he is a star football player. I don't think the law is right as it is applied to ANYONE. Circumstances and intentions should most definitely be taken into consideration when sentencing a crime, because intent to rob or kill should get a much harder sentence than carrying a gun to protect yourself without making sure everything was legal and kosher first. That's dumb, but not, in my opinion, criminal. "

cm wrote on Dec 6, 2008 11:17 AM:

" facebook or myspace?
classmates.com or reunion.com?

my kids have it all--so do I, but I hardly ever check it,unless I get an email saying to.

how can they keep up with it all?
some people are devoted webbers..
the info they put on these pages are also way to revealing.

suggestion..if one is job hunting clean up your pages--employers can read too! "

karl again... wrote on Dec 6, 2008 10:50 AM:

" Thanks cm; you are correct. There are several things that affect the taste of venison.
First, it starts with the shot. A lot of guys just don't care to wait and take only a killing shot, and will just shoot a deer anywhere just to get it, and then the deer runs, bleeds, and sometimes is gut-shot, and that can horribly taint the meat. I waited until I could drop it with one shot--it took around twenty-five minutes of nerve-wracking patience for mine to come within a good range, without obstructions in the line of my bullet's path.
Secondly, when you get it, you must gut it immediately, and haul it out of the woods.
Then butcher it as soon as possible. A lot of guys like to "show it off" outside their house--that just lets the meat rot.
And you have to mix the venison with a little pork--it's so lean, it will fall apart on the pan if you try to make a burger with it. Steaks are not a problem, however. "

cm wrote on Dec 6, 2008 8:33 AM:

" Happy turkey dinner day!!
that whats happening at my house today--finally a whole day off from work too!

the turkey is a cooking, the bread bowl with beef n onion dip is made, the cheesecake is made, and if we dont stop snacking on the deviled eggs there wont be any for the kids! lol..

everyone arriving about noon..dinner @ 3..Xmas decorations going up in between.
also getting the REAL tree before dinner too!

I so love Christmas!
only 19 days for it to finally arrive! "

cm wrote on Dec 6, 2008 8:20 AM:

" I am sure the dopey football player with the gun--will just get a slap on the hands.
yet, being an adult one would think he knows how to get info as to the laws of each state when it comes to having a gun!
but then again--just because he came from some college doesnt mean he soaked in an education! "

cm wrote on Dec 6, 2008 8:16 AM:

" though I am not a fan of hunting/guns/or venison, CONGRATS Karl on your catch and meals for the year!

Nature: having a bro-in-law that hunts they say the game-taste is due to the cutting/preparing/and cooking of the meat.

the 'warden' once had a deer hanging in the backyard tree--telling my 4yr old it was BAMBI--however, I honestly ate some by trickory and it was very good!
I have NEVER ate venison since then!

BONE: I am sure CSX website would NOT admit to dumping waste into the oceans!
BUT it DOES happen daily off navy vessels, and they dont make an announcement either!

FG: sorry your dinner was NOT up to par.
many restaurants have been having troubles.Plus its hard to keep good help when the money is not there for them to make.
my son worked for Mimi's cafe when it first opened here--it was outstanding.
we last went there last year,and it was almost to the description of your adventure!
3 times I asked for coffee that was HOT, then I changed to tea and the server brought cold water in a tea pot!
my daughter has received another 'free meal' card for there (honor roll) --but what was once her fav place to go--she now wants to go across the street to Golden Corral.. "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Dec 5, 2008 9:31 PM:

" So the cops "arrested" her because she bought cigarettes w/o paying tax?? I may be wrong, but isn't that a wee bit petty?? Ticket for running a red light, I can see just, but to bust her with those cigarettes..... petty! If she had bought peyote, which I doubt they have, and paid tax, would the cop not have arrested her?? Speaking of peyote..... "

Unknown... wrote on Dec 5, 2008 9:00 PM:

" I really like that first comment up above about the garbage trucks. I can't believe that they actually haul garbage that far. "

nature lover wrote on Dec 5, 2008 8:45 PM:

" nope not upset one bit...but felt the need to simply vocalize my two cents plus a buck fifty...enjoy your nite/weekend... "

the bone wrote on Dec 5, 2008 8:11 PM:

" nature lover, I love being up here,I wouldnt move back and I wasnt trying to prove you wrong.I just wanted to know.Dont get upset. "

nature lover wrote on Dec 5, 2008 7:50 PM:

" bone, I dont need a website for csx as we are/h/b employed with them since 1976. think we know the inside of wah'sup dude...besides whats your take on that issue anyway besides sticking up for your origin or the need to prove another wrong? you 'chose' to live here so become an upstater ak for more culture (just ask some "downstaters" that d/n make Ed's cut for parts), intelligence(all your best colleges are 'up' here) and down to earthdom (lakes, man, water!)...oh and lest I forget winos...mmm mmm i partook of a few Renaissance's tonight at Dauts. My best bud is a downstater (originally) and needed t/b corrected much in the beginning to dispell the downstater arrogance that we so called upstaters are ignorant, all republican, sleep w/a pic ax or our pet sheep and listen to the radio as there is no tv!! u know the vision of deliverence. I suggest some NYS wine (we are 2nd in nation as producers and I must say thee best), go c a MGR play and dive into any of our many lakes or take a "country" drive as will also turn up many niche places that u just wont find anywhere. like a heuriger (actually my fav place at the moment)..so ttfn

ooh almost forgot...must ask about venison in the novice form...my uncle retired to Montana to be Mr Sportsman but when he lived up North, we tried some of his venicon and it just had a gamey taste. Is all venison like that or does it depend on where u kill it? I w/b willing to try again as so many say mmm... "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 5, 2008 7:21 PM:

" The guy wasn't carrying a gun to kill people -- he was carrying to protect himself. A teammate had just been robbed at gunpoint a week earlier, and he did have a permit from another state.

I only seem "unbelievable" because you try to pigeonhole people, assuming because a person takes one position on one issue that s/he MUST take a prescribed position on another issue. I take each one individually -- trash haulers carrying toxic dreck over roads not designed to carry heavy truck traffic is totally and completely unrelated to unconstitutional gun laws and unfair mandatory sentences which don't take circumstance into consideration. "

hadenough wrote on Dec 5, 2008 6:51 PM:

" FARMERGIRL (BURRESS)
Your unbeleivable !! You dont want trash trucks to drive on state roads,but you stick up for someone carrying an illegal unregistered gun, and think he shouldnt get a min 3.5 year sentence.I APPLAUD THE MAYOR ,I think this should be a law in all of NY and maybe we could control the senesless killings in Syracuse and Rochester or maybe the guy that robbed kwikfill would have thought twice. "

the bone wrote on Dec 5, 2008 4:49 PM:

" nature lover--This was on the CSX website.
The freight cars are loaded on Long Island and hauled by the railroad to an interchange with the larger railroad CSX, which takes the garbage to sites in Ohio, West Virginia and Alabama. "

nature lover wrote on Dec 5, 2008 3:31 PM:

" bone from the source: csx "

the bone wrote on Dec 5, 2008 3:13 PM:

" Hey nature lover where did you get your information on the garbage barge from long island "

excnyer wrote on Dec 5, 2008 2:23 PM:

" It's been a while since I've posted. For the past month, we've been in Texas, visiting relatives. On 12/1, we started west and we arrived in Benson, Arizona yesterday (12/4). I-10 is a very scenic interstate and many times we found ourselves surrounded by mountains. Beautiful vistas, sunny skies, and moderate truck traffic. The price of gas is up about 10 cents/gallon from the Austin area at $1.79. Today, the sky is cloudless and a beautiful shade of blue. I can see mountains from the windows of our RV. I can't ever think of myself as living back in central NY. Keep warm, my friends! "

movedsouth wrote on Dec 5, 2008 1:50 PM:

" 16 years for OJ!!!! About time. "

GiveMeLiberty wrote on Dec 5, 2008 1:20 PM:

" Farmer's Gal.

Here's an even more interesting question:

Since NYS gun laws are unconstitutional and illegal, what is the difference between those enforcing NYS laws, and a bunch of thugs?

If I were on his jury, he would walk. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 5, 2008 11:08 AM:

" Farmer Guy sent me over some venison just the other day. Tastes good, animal lived free, low fat -- lovely!

Hey, Sports Fans -- well, I don't see much from folks here about sports, actually. But the other day I heard an interview with Tiki Barber (former RB for the NY Giants, now retired) that Plaxico Burress (WR for the NYG, currently suspended and awaiting legal action for carrying a loaded, unregistered (in NYS) gun with which he accidentally shot himself in the thigh) was carrying a gun because his teammate, WR Steve Smith, had just been robbed at gunpoint a week earlier. Tiki says Plax should have hired someone with a legal permit to carry a gun to watch his back instead of carrying one himself (not to mention he should have found out the differences in gun permitting between Florida and New York before he brought his gun up here at all) -- but it adds an interesting twist.

Tiki is also in agreement with me that this needs to be Plax's last season with the Giants.

(I also saw something about Burress' suspension putting the Giants in jeopardy for something to do with salary caps, which I just don't get).

But here's the broader implication part -- because in NYS carrying a loaded unregistered gun will get you a min sentence of 3 1/2 years in jail, if he's found guilty, that's pretty harsh for a guy who did something stupid but it's not like he was robbing a bank, or shooting his buddy on purpose, or pistol-whipping his wife ... or involved in dog fighting and cruelling killing animals for "sport."

How come Michael Vick will get out with, what, 18 mos? -- and Burress is facing min 3 1/2 years?

Don't get me wrong -- he did something stupid and deserves some punishment, but it just isn't the same magnitude. The automatic sentence for this particular charge seems a bad idea to me -- for anyone, not just because this guy is a celebrity. I'd feel the same way if the guy were an unknown plumber from Hoboken. There are circumstance and there are circumstances, and some of them would warrant a min 3 1/2 year sentence -- and some would not. "

karl again... wrote on Dec 5, 2008 10:48 AM:

" Did ya miss me?
I was in Pennsylvania with Dad, hunting last week....sorry I missed my "Murray Lynch" letter.
Got a nice, big 8-pointer on the first day, 3:30 PM, with one shot from my .308, dropped him right in his tracks. That's the way to do it!
Lotsa lean, healthy venison for the next year! "

nature lover wrote on Dec 5, 2008 10:08 AM:

" I agree localman "they pad the right people's pockets". I am sure Halbritter of the Oneida Nation with his millions and diamonds and custom 3 piece suits has alot of clout. I wonder how much they had to pay to get their float in the Macys Thanksgiving Day parade seen of TV. There are SOO many floats but to be highlighted on national television takes some leverage. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 5, 2008 9:58 AM:

" Yes, indeedy -- let's chill that bottle and stoke up the fire for a cozy and relaxing evening after a LOOONNNNGG week.

Dinner was a disappointment -- esp after waiting so long (Farmer Guy got the gift certificate almost a year ago). The restaurant-which-shall-remain-nameless in this post used to be a place I'd go every so often, esp. on Monday nights -- one of the few places open on Mondays. It isn't any more. The dining room had reduced the number of tables so the formerly cozy room felt grubby and half-empty. You used to get vegetable of the day with your meal -- now it is blacked out on all the menus. You used to get a big basket of assorted breads -- now you get 1/3 loaf, sliced, wrapped in a napkin and served by placing this ungainly napkin wad on top of a basket of butter pats. You used to get pickled vegetable relish as an automatic appetizer -- along with the veggies on the menu with dinner, it's gone. Farmer Guy wouldn't finish his meatball -- said it was so nasty he wouldn't take it home to the cats. (My steak was fine). The waitress was very nice, and very pleasant, but not an esp. good waitress -- Farmer Guy spent 10+ minutes trying to get her attention to get him another drink (2 waitresses with 4 tables at the time) until finally an older woman came over and took care of him. The (decaf) coffee was tasteless and lukewarm. And the dining room was chilly, like the heat was barely on.

I can see where businesses are forced to cut corners in the current economy, but at some point, you cut more than corners. We were glad we were on a gift certificate and won't be returning, much less would be PAY for a meal there.

We did run into friends on our way out and had a lot of fun standing at the bar chatting, so the evening was not a total bust. But how very sad -- this restaurant has been a staple "nice place to go out to dinner" for a very long time in Auburn -- last night was like finding an old friend in the Poor House. "

localman wrote on Dec 5, 2008 9:32 AM:

" Part of the problem is the politicians have let the indians get away with not paying taxes for so long people think it's ok for everyone. It's not!! It's against the law to use untaxed gas on NYS highways. It's against the law to transport untaxed cigs off the reservation. I don't know why it's not being enforced. -- Uh well actually I do- they pad the right people's pockets, SHHH dont tell anyone, it's a secret. "

nature lover wrote on Dec 5, 2008 8:38 AM:

" BLD...the "poor woman" was slapped with tax evasion for purchasing two cartons of cancer sticks at Lakeside which is Indian owned on NON reservation property. Even if it was reservation, she is a non Indian thus she s/h paid taxes. Anyway, she was pulled over for running a red lite, a traffic infringement, the cig prob came after as she had them in the front seat. Then she was brasen enough to not appear for her court appearance now forcing authorities to create a warrant for her arrest! So while I agree gov't should be collecting taxes from Indians for cig and gas sales to non Indians, the poor woman is a criminal if not by ignorance alone!!

TGIF, get that bottle chilled!! "

nature lover wrote on Dec 5, 2008 8:33 AM:

" There is a garbage train that originates out of Long Island. Some of it is transported to barges and subsequently dumped in the water! Gotta luv NYC ethics huh? The destination for the nonaquatic train hauled remainder is being investigated and I will update when I hear. If NYC took an initiative and looked at cities such as Syracuse, which is recycling trash at a record rate, maybe the gold could be reused and not dumped creating income r/t expense. Makes u dizzy thinking just how much trash is created there and dumped. Guess the arrogance level prevades thus out of site out of mind! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 5, 2008 7:34 AM:

" Not the first to think that, union -- keep saying it. Maybe we can get someone who's in a position to do something about it to listen. "

union wrote on Dec 5, 2008 6:12 AM:

" Can not believe nobody has went to the rail road and get a rate for hauling the new york city gold up. There are rail roads right next to the dump. Alot of people still use the rail road to haul there stuff. Just thinking "

brew1234 wrote on Dec 5, 2008 3:27 AM:

" She evaded paying taxes and they are prosecuting her for it. What is the problem? There is a legal question about the right of the state to force the Native Americans to collect NYS taxes but there is no question about the right to collect taxes from the citizens of New York. Buying cigarettes from Lakeside is no more legal than a citizen buying untaxes cigs from another state. "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Dec 4, 2008 10:35 PM:

" They're holding a poor woman responsible for tax evasion, when the governors are allowing the Indians to get away with it.

What kind of idiot wrote that? "

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