Two Cents

Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:47 PM EST

Instead of focusing on "recovering missing tax money" why not focus on better spending of tax money - or lowering tax money. Stores would not be losing all their business to Lake Side if their products weren't over three times as expensive.



I'm 56 years old and I've been voting most of my life and I'm done voting, federally state and locally. They're all a bunch of dopes.

I used to like college basketball but now it's become kind of a joke, especially with the economy like it is. These guys come out of high school, go to a university for a year or two and then go on to be millionaires.

The garbage trucks could be hauled from New York City to Geneva on a train, and it would save money and environmental issues. That has been suggested to the powers that be --- Mike Nozzolio and Gary Finch --- but of course we don't want to save money and we don't to do anything that would be too easy.

Why don't you pretentious, arrogant windbags shove a cork in it and stop monopolizing the "Two Cents" column. It is not your personal forum.

Those truckers should have stayed out of that community (Skaneateles) and minded their own business. I don't live there, I live in Auburn.




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Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 4, 2008 4:38 PM:

" (Hard as it may be to believe, I lived in Brooklyn for 3 weeks when I was first engaged -- on Foster Ave in the Flatlands. My ex's family came from Brooklyn after the Netherlands, and their 1654 home is still standing with 5 acres in Brooklyn not far from the Dutch Reformed Church they helped to found. Some distant cousins of his, who were distant cousins of each other, were murdered in Auburn and Seward was set to defend the murderer with an insanity plea -- one of the most famous cases in these parts. Small world.) "

the bone wrote on Dec 4, 2008 3:14 PM:

" born-in-bklyn-Yes what i meant was I love it up here.I still go down to Brooklyn 4-5 times a year.Yes the people upstate dont like the people from down state.I wish I made this move years ago. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 4, 2008 1:27 PM:

" Some roads are designed for driving heavy commercial vehicles on them, some are not. "

born-in-bklyn wrote on Dec 4, 2008 1:23 PM:

" Bone, you wrote: ....I dont know why I love living up here.'
Did you mean: 'I don't know why? I love living up here?'
I too love living up here, and I loved living in the city too. There are many positives and negatives in both areas. Yes, many people up here love to hate NY city for too many reasons to list here. Tho I am sure some will try! LOL! "

localman wrote on Dec 4, 2008 12:49 PM:

" Hey horseradish,

UMMM- Roads are for driving vehicles on. If you buy a commercial zoned lot and pay commercial taxes out the butt then you can do business. "

nature lover wrote on Dec 4, 2008 12:07 PM:

" brew beat me to the 1st post but i have contributed...now u go git 'em woman!! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 4, 2008 11:47 AM:

" Actually, nature, I was waiting to see your first post here:

http://www.auburnpub.com/articles/2008/12/04/opinion/letters/letters01.txt

before I chimed in. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 4, 2008 11:45 AM:

" Maybe s/he loves living up here because it is more peaceful, cleaner and healthier than living in more densely populated areas.

Oh, wait -- I forgot. The peace is broken by all the garbage trucks rumbling through day and night, many of them bringing us downstaters' garbage and waste, as if we didn't have enough of our own, so much for cleaner, and since the advent of corporate farming, we no longer have a healthier place to live, with our soil, air and water just as polluted with toxins as anything you get in cities.

It's probably just that the cost of living is less -- because the economy has been lousy around here for years, not just since we've seen things falling apart nationally and globally the past few months. "

nature lover wrote on Dec 4, 2008 8:44 AM:

" http://www.auburnpub.com/articles/2008/12/04/opinion/jeremy_boyer.txt

wahhhh to the 1 w/the lone comment..

honestly if u want to post something worthy of debate, go for it. put some meat and tats behind that insult!!

so prey tell bone (of contention) the comment: "I am a down stater and you guys have a problem with down staters.I dont know why I love living up here." "

horseradish wrote on Dec 3, 2008 9:07 PM:

" hey localman,

i pay taxes, does that mean i can do my business in the middle of the road? i guess i can just start doing whatever i want out there in the right of way. right? "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 3, 2008 5:07 PM:

" Left, right -- I don't subscribe to either label, especially as it is a totally out-dated and very nearly meaningless appellation coming from which side of the British Parliament polticians there were seated.

Truth is, most of us are ignorant of the big picture -- no one can understand all the details of our modern world in-depth enough to really get it all, and very, very few even try. And that has zippo to do with left, right, Republicats, Democans, or any other stupid label you choose to slap on people to pigeon-hole them. "

perturbed wrote on Dec 3, 2008 3:57 PM:

" I wouldnt want anyones voice here silenced! When I read the majority of the posts it reminds me that the left is still ignorant of the big picture. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 3, 2008 1:51 PM:

" The majority of people in this country ARE "all the little people," whether they whined or not. Our government is supposed to answer to "all the little people" and serve our interests above special interests. The people complained, the government responded. Done deal -- and so it should remain. "

the bone wrote on Dec 3, 2008 1:17 PM:

" Hey Brew1234,ou and Karl beat issues to death thats ok---When other people want to talk about it its not..Open your mind. "

localman wrote on Dec 3, 2008 10:12 AM:

" I didn't post all that same info again, Don't Know what happened. sorry. "

localman wrote on Dec 3, 2008 9:36 AM:

" We need to stop blaming the truck drivers! They work for a company trying to provide for their families and they go where they are told to go by their boss. Everyone wants to add 1 hr to their already 12 hr day, Are they bitter, YES. It has to be frustrating.
Nobody mentions positive solutions, Remember reduce,reuse,recycle! then all the trash would be sorted hauled to other destinations for better use. Piling it all in one big pile seems a bit old school. "

colin1101 wrote on Dec 3, 2008 8:46 AM:

" The regulations are going to be law very soon. The points being made by the truck drivers are not even based on the actual facts.


Ok so we will just forget about about the injustice here move on with our lives because a: it doesnt affect most of us and b: all the little people who whined and complained finally got their way. typical complain long enough get what you want. some people never cease to amaze me "

cm wrote on Dec 3, 2008 8:41 AM:

" it is 35 in sunny florida this AM!
a senic view of the neighbors cattle farm, with steam coming off the pond, frost covered the pasture, and the cows huddled together!

too bad someday this land will be 800 apartments!
I wish I had 3 million to save the cows! "

cm wrote on Dec 3, 2008 8:38 AM:

" I am not sure why the trucking issue seems so difficult..
Each side needs to compromise!
Not all truckers are making millions, many are just getting by as we all are.

The facts are they are NEVER going away!
Even if rail is added more-trucks will remain on the roads!

the state should cut their tolls for the truckers, and a surefire way to keep the over-loaders at a distance is to add a weight-station ! "

localman wrote on Dec 3, 2008 8:17 AM:

" We need to stop blaming the truck drivers! They work for a company trying to provide for their families and they go where they are told to go by their boss. Everyone wants to add 1 hr to their already 12 hr day, Are they bitter, YES. It has to be frustrating.
Nobody mentions positive solutions, Remember reduce,reuse,recycle! then all the trash would be sorted hauled to other destinations for better use. Piling it all in one big pile seems a bit old school. "

cm wrote on Dec 3, 2008 7:20 AM:

" ANGMOM3: thanks..you should Post more often, you are always so POSITIVE!

I am having Thanksgiving dinner this SAT., a medical emergency delayed the original day..
have a great week! "

daydreamer wrote on Dec 3, 2008 6:48 AM:

" Is anyone collecting any information about the higher volume of customers, or profits, for local merchants since the raid of Lakeside? "

brew1234 wrote on Dec 3, 2008 1:39 AM:

" How about we stop beating this issue of truck routes to death? The regulations are going to be law very soon. The points being made by the truck drivers are not even based on the actual facts. They apparently have not even read the regulations. It will be law, so violate it at the risk of your financial ruin. Let's move on to new ground. "

colin1101 wrote on Dec 2, 2008 11:06 PM:

" The task force that has been most vocal on the issue is headed by an Owasco resident, and it has active participants from communities in Tompkins, Cayuga and Onondaga counties. Yes, Skaneateles has been part of the effort. ok i stand corrected there really is more ignorance around then i thaught. "

ANGMOM3 wrote on Dec 2, 2008 10:16 PM:

" Hi everyone. I haven't posted for awhile.
I hope your Thanksgiving celebrations were wonderful, and that your Christmas Holidays are equally blessed.

Good thoughts to all of you.

ANGMOM3 "

the bone wrote on Dec 2, 2008 7:38 PM:

" Is the problem the Trucks or is it because its NYC garbage.I am a down stater and you guys have a problem with down staters.I dont know why I love living up here. "

colin1101 wrote on Dec 2, 2008 7:23 PM:

" omg I forgot that you frebus are the only person who doesnt produce garbage!!! God forbide that other people make trash. Just because it is faster for trucks to take STATE rt 20 and really what horrible problem does it create in your life. Lets complain about these people who are just trying to make a living and all you do is complain. AT least your taxes dont pay their way. they have jobs they are decent people lets give them a hard time!!!!! Remember make 1 trucker mad make them all mad. LET THEM DO Their JOB AND GET OVER IT!!!! "

nature lover wrote on Dec 2, 2008 7:18 PM:

" Does anyone know what happened to the Carnicelli Indicato Post that built that new bldg at 1 E Genny? The new restautant Bistro one is moving in and we see tonight the CI Post sign is gone. "

nature lover wrote on Dec 2, 2008 7:13 PM:

" to colin1101:

http://www.auburnpub.com/articles/2008/12/01/opinion/our_view.txt

pay attention to myth #2. To become more informed, type the word truck in the search box above.

yes, cm that was neat to c last nite, very brite!! clouded over tonight - odd combo of planets though...

BLD: Promise!! "

FREBUS49 wrote on Dec 2, 2008 4:12 PM:

" colin1101
When will people like you get the message? They don't want to ban all trucks, just the over loaded, smelly trucks from NYC that are loaded with garbage. "

cm wrote on Dec 2, 2008 2:55 PM:

" did anyone see thesky las night?:

the three brightest objects in the night sky -- Jupiter, Venus and the moon -- will line up close together in a spectacular sight, closer than they will appear until 2052.

It was a great view here until the clouds rolled in about 8pm. Then came the rain. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 2, 2008 2:48 PM:

" It's 2:47 PM and almost time for me to head out - are there really no comments since 8:20 AM or has there been a technical glitch? "

colin1101 wrote on Dec 2, 2008 2:16 PM:

" to all the people of Skaneateles: I find it kind of ironic that your town is in such an uproar over the trucks. I drive through the town everyday and I see all these nice new and shiny cars, trucks. I also see some multi-million dollar homes on the lake. the funny thing is you wouldnt have new cars with out trucks to haul them to dealers. you wouldnt have nice new houses with out trucks doing many areas of the job. Maybe your town can afford the increase in price that this will cause(ie increased tolls travel time fuel) I know I really cant. It is also funny that the same town that hates truck traffic and is whining about it is the same town that a few years ago tried to stop the boces project because their citizens didnt want a tax increase. so they complained and complained lowered their tax burden. And now you get to use the cash you saved on the boces project to offset the cost of the rising shipping cost due to the afore mentioned reasons. GOOD JOB KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!!! "

cm wrote on Dec 2, 2008 8:20 AM:

" FG: An incarcerated hernia is a part of the intestine or abdominal tissue that becomes trapped in the sac of a hernia—the bulge of soft tissue that pushes through a weak spot in the abdominal wall.

If part of the intestine is trapped, stool may not be able to pass through the intestine. This may cause pain, nausea, vomiting, and abdominal swelling (distension).

The loop of intestine can swell and become tightly trapped (strangulated) in the hernia, which causes the tissue to die (gangrene). If the intestine becomes strangulated, immediate surgery is needed. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 2, 2008 5:02 AM:

" So, local, would it be so awful to have to truck only locally, taking goods from a train depot to stores and homes? You wouldn't have to be away from your family. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 2, 2008 5:01 AM:

" Horseradish -- your cr*p will never sell -- they give it away on the sides of the road, and spatter it all over the middle too. They lay out so much it's in our water, running off into lakes, and filling the air with toxic fumes. Better try selling something else by the side of the road.... "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Dec 1, 2008 8:17 PM:

" Nature Lover, I will dance with you only if you promise not to step on my toes!!!! "

horseradish wrote on Dec 1, 2008 6:29 PM:

" Just make them drive the thruway. I don't care if they think they can do run their business on local roads. I guess I can start selling crap on the side of route 20 because guess what, i pay taxes too. "

localman wrote on Dec 1, 2008 6:04 PM:

" I am also a trucker, However not a trash hauler, If they make $2800 week for 5 trips I'm in and I would go wherever anyone wanted me to go!! Most seasoned Bulk haulers are around .40 to .50 cents per mile in my experience. I heard that number also and thought maybe that was gross to the truck but then it would be to low wouldn't even pay for fuel. "

cm wrote on Dec 1, 2008 5:55 PM:

" FG: when the waste enters your stomach you have about 6 hrs to live!
IF I were your friend I would have NEVER gone back to Dr.#1, also most surgeries are now taped, it is getting harder for doctors to cover up a mistake.
PS the boss (that didnt call) is also trying to get out of a comp claim.

Nature: as the Dixie Chicks would sing 'I'm not ready to make nice' lol...

My AOL breaking news: USA in a recession since Dec 2007--as if most citizens didnt know that--and we needed to waste more tax dollars on the Economic Group to tell us!
I so want to email the article to my VP, who kept screaming re-train your people last year! when I repeated NOT, because its NOT my people!
Which I think has added a bullseye on my back--lol..
but my store is running at 144%.

I will either stay above 100% or drop like a log in 10 days!
But for today, I will gloat!!!

back to work for me--split shift everyday except thursday this week! "

localman wrote on Dec 1, 2008 5:53 PM:

" I Understand the route 20 argument, However this is an extremely hilly route and is no place for Heavy trucks in my opinion. Up the hills 20 mph and if done safely down the hills 20 mph does make an average speed of about 40mph adding in the level running. A NY DOT officer will allow you an average of 55 mph on the interstate when autiting your log book, Less when on side roads. Yes there are hills on rt 41 bus not long steep like on rt 20. I Live on Rt 34B I do not like Lots of traffic either. But Everyone should take their share of the traffic. You noticed 34B is not on the list?? Guess we will have all the trucks Because we don't have a skaneateles or aurora, just us working slobs. "

FREBUS49 wrote on Dec 1, 2008 4:11 PM:

" localman
Actually if they get off at Lafayette it is only 10 miles longer each way. The trucks do 70 mph on rt 81. They try but they can't do that on 41, 41a, 38a, 38, and 90.A truck driver is allowed to drive 10 hours per day.They would have plenty of time and still avoid the tolls.
Also to the other posts, it was said that they make $2,800 per week for one trip a day. "

nature lover wrote on Dec 1, 2008 1:21 PM:

" Adults are merely larger children. I would hope that the sticks and stones that are on two cents wont't break your bones!! FG dont beat yourself up we ALL do it in fun, at least I hope no one is taking it TOO seriously?

Hey BLD, hand to hand? ok care to dance?

brew I simply luv the line "You should leave the cork in as you have nothing to decant." Very cleaver and actually an analogy I hope I can remember in the future.

Hey cm, when u posted that the ex (or is it soon to be ex?) is staying with u to recover. A thought x'd my mind and I wondered if it x'd yours if this was divine intervention and maybe he will wake up to what he had - kind of a 2nd chance for all? "

localman wrote on Dec 1, 2008 1:03 PM:

" Making trucks go 50 miles further will increase the run from NY to seneca from 250 miles to 300 miles each way. The federal Motor carrier assn says this is too many miles for a driver in one day! Does anybody care about safety regs!! I think everybody in your stuck up little towns only care about themselves. "

movedsouth wrote on Dec 1, 2008 1:01 PM:

" morals, some people can't respond without belittling, I think it makes FEEL superior, when in fact it makes look ignorant. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 1, 2008 12:35 PM:

" I am afraid I did sink to responding in kind the other day. I usually make a point of ignoring rude and insulting comments and just stick to the subject at hand. I also often complain about the pointless name-calling and insults, and that The Citizen does not enforce their own rules to that effect.

Never said I was perfect, but will try to be better about it. "

mark wrote on Dec 1, 2008 12:34 PM:

" anonymous you are so right! you cannot say one thing without backlash from one or two of the other people who shall remain nameless. See there brew made a comment, so did Karla ppl who think it's theirs. "

mark wrote on Dec 1, 2008 12:30 PM:

" karl, that comment was stoopid. now cut your hair and move on. "

morals wrote on Dec 1, 2008 11:55 AM:

" Its all about name calling-- its really not necesary.We are suppose to be Adults here.Say our opinon and move on. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 1, 2008 11:29 AM:

" Also, my response to cm from yesterday morning early:

" cm, that is indeed a dangerous situation. I had a friend who went for a colonoscopy and to have some polyps clipped. Her doc told her she might have some pain afterwards, don't worry about it, and he promptly left on a vacation after the procedure. She had pain and tried to ignore it, but her husband found her writhing on the floor in agony and rushed her in, where they found the doc had put a hole through her bowel and all that waste was leaking into her body. Doc #2, who saved her life in emergency surgery, was pretty upset when he first came out, but within a few hours, the docs were covering up for each other, claiming she had thin walls and it would have happened anyway. None of us believed it for a minute, though she did, and we all gritted our teeth when she went back to Doc #1 for the follow-up surgery (she had to have everything routed to a bag on the outside for a month or two before having everything put back to normal).

We almost lost a friend that night -- it doesn't take long. There's a reason the body eliminates waste outside of itself!

Also, my mistake on the spelling -- incarcerated means "in jail" -- not incarserated. I'll have to look that one up! " "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 1, 2008 11:28 AM:

" This response probably got lost, as I posted it yesterday around 6 AM and the page was changed around 9:30 AM:

"You are rude, arrogant AND a fool. I don't live on a main highway -- I live on a little dead-end street with almost no traffic. I also live in the hamlet, away from manure -- had to move specifically for that reason.

...

You are jumping to false conclusions, probably because in your world you couldn't imagine defending others whose circumstances are not the same as your own." "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 1, 2008 11:25 AM:

" Thanks also, united we wish. Well said. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Dec 1, 2008 11:24 AM:

" Good one, brew. Basically, anyone who can't come up with a solid and logical argument is whining that the forum is "dominated" by someone else. Hey, no one stops you from posting whatever you want, even stupid stuff. It's a community forum and anyone can post as much as he or she wants. If you don't speak, you have no business complaining that you don't get heard! "

realist wrote on Dec 1, 2008 10:26 AM:

" a simple embedded irc client would clean up this page. "

cm wrote on Dec 1, 2008 7:15 AM:

" good morning children!

Happy December, the month of joy, yuletide, appreciation for what you have, and for some spiritual bliss. "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Nov 30, 2008 9:48 PM:

" brew1234 wrote on Nov 30, 2008 4:48 PM:
" It's not our fault that some of you go to battle with no weapons. You should leave the cork in as you have nothing to decant. "

How about hand to hand? "

united we wish wrote on Nov 30, 2008 9:07 PM:

" Does anyone claim to own this outlet? There are some writers who make better, more sound points than others. So in a sense they "own" the upper hand on some of those with less sound arguments. This space is as good as we have. I do wish there was a quicker real time forum to have more of a realistic conversation. Everyone has a right to spout. Say what you will and let those who find holes give their two sense. "

brew1234 wrote on Nov 30, 2008 4:48 PM:

" It's not our fault that some of you go to battle with no weapons. You should leave the cork in as you have nothing to decant. "

the bone wrote on Nov 30, 2008 4:43 PM:

" As I said before I agree with the ones that say Karl and Brew1234 try so hard to run the Two Cents---its not yours!!! "

anonymous wrote on Nov 30, 2008 11:10 AM:

" "Why don't you pretentious, arrogant windbags shove a cork in it and stop monopolizing the "Two Cents" column. It is not your personal forum."


Karla and Brew, I believe this was meant for you and your own declared intelligence. You can always tell who is a moron. He is the one claiming he has brains.

All humans have one brain Karla. Sometimes I can not believe the stupid things I read on this forum. "

karl again... wrote on Nov 30, 2008 10:39 AM:

" As a proudly pretentious, arrogant windbag, I take offense to the characterization of this as "our forum".

If this were indeed "our forum", you'd be able to type "p0rn" and #crewed" without using substitute symbols!

Why don't all you "anonymous", cowardly PET-KILLERS and swelf-righteous, complaining, unable-to-compete CRYBABIES go join Deepak Chopra's Sunshine Club if you can't wield an intellectual sword here! It takes brains to be this pompous, you know!!

'Nuff said! "

movedsouth wrote on Nov 30, 2008 9:33 AM:

" "Why don't you pretentious, arrogant windbags shove a cork in it and stop monopolizing the "Two Cents" column. It is not your personal forum." No, it must be yours. "

cm wrote on Nov 30, 2008 9:12 AM:

" being a born 'shop-a-holic' and NOT shopping this weekend is a true test of will power.
but I have to admit I failed!
my daughter (tomboy) begged for the HESS truck--she finally earned enough money and bought it herself.
I caved and bought my grandson one.

I have to say, this years truck it the best! "

cm wrote on Nov 30, 2008 9:01 AM:

" there will never be a happy medium ground on the trucking issues.
just as trucks can flip over causing spillage so can a train..
I worked for a hazourdous clean-up company a few years ago--when a train flips--who comes in for the clean ups?
A BIG TRUCK!
the same when another BIG truck flips, or a ship leaking oil.
then they have to haul it to a waste station which could be 100+ miles away.

even if more trains are added--BIG TRUCKS will NOT go away, they are still needed!

Just because they make 2800.00 for one run, doesnt equal to 'clear' money.
they do have tolls, repairs,insurance, and gas for the Semi's can be over 1000.00 for one tank full.

I still say either lower the tolls or let trucks have NO tolls, then they will utilize the thruway more often! "

morals wrote on Nov 30, 2008 8:13 AM:

" The person who wrote" Why don't you pretentious, arrogant windbags shove a cork in it and stop monopolizing the "Two Cents" column. It is not your personal forum." I completely agree with you. "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Nov 30, 2008 3:39 AM:

" You all missed an amazing band practice tonight!!!! Can't wait for the cd to be finished!!!!! My drummer and I am very locked in! MAGIC! "

brew1234 wrote on Nov 30, 2008 1:15 AM:

" Who declared you King of the Two cents forum? "

anonymous wrote on Nov 29, 2008 11:59 PM:

" The person who speaks of the pretentious, arrogant windbags hit the nail on the head. Not only do they monopolize the forum, they ridicule anyone who dares disagree with them. "

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