Skaneateles truck rally details depend on whom you ask

By Christopher Caskey / The Citizen

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:14 PM EST

As most local residents know by now, there will be a rally through Skaneateles Friday by truckers protesting regulations proposed by the state.
But how that rally will be carried out and who exactly is leading it still seems to be up in the air.

According to one organizer, Charlie Claburn, the trucks will start and kill their engines near the Thruway Exit 41 in Waterloo, where the participants will enjoy free country music amongst themselves after the rally.

But another self-proclaimed spokesperson has said approximately 300 truckers plan to drive through the village around 11 a.m. and then park outside of the village for a rally right there.

Both agree the rally is necessary to convince the political world that restricting their ability to drive on rural, upstate routes is unfair and hurts the truckers and overall economy.

Claburn is the Northeast regional director of Truckers and Citizens United, the national organization staging the protest. He said residents of Skaneateles and other rural communities have legitimate concerns about the large trucks that drive through their towns from downstate to shorten trips and decrease tolls. The proposed regulations do not affect trucks making deliveries to locations along the restricted roads.

But Claburn said the truckers have become the “middle man” in the argument, and stricter regulations will only hurt them.

This is “a direct assault against my way of life and against our industry,” he said.

Claburn also said the choice to hold the rally on the first day of one of the village's biggest annual events, the Dickens' Christmas celebration, is a coincidence.

The truckers will come from the Thruway on Route 414, to Route 318, and then onto Route 20 through Skaneateles “nice and easy” before heading back to Waterloo. There, they will enjoy free country music by Nashville songwriter Terry Wooley, he said.

But Vincent Gramuglia, who says he is from the Mohawk Valley Truckers and Citizens, has been claiming to be the rally's main organizer. According to him, the truckers plan to pass through Skaneateles twice before parking and holding the concert in the village.

“We want everyone to come down and have a good time and shop,” Gramuglia said Wednesday. “We're going to try and stage it right downtown.”

Gramuglia, who claims to be “running the show,” said he and the organization have nothing against the people of Skaneateles. Their gripe is with the Upstate New York Safety Coalition Task Force, a group of regional residents who rallied the state to enact tighter regulations for long-haul trucks.

But according to Claburn, Gramuglia does not speak for Truckers and Citizens United or the trucking industry. Gramuglia is an “outspoken advocate” who is on board, but is not planning the rally, Claburn said.

The advertisements in local newspapers - which declare “Bah Humbug!” in apparent reference to the Dickens theme of the Skaneateles festival - were paid for and placed by Gramuglia, who supports a lot of trucking organizations, Claburn said.

No matter what happens, Claburn said the rally already appears to be at least somewhat of a success. Since news of the protest surfaced, representatives from the state trucking industry are scheduled to meet with some officials in Albany to discuss concerns over the proposed regulations, he said.

That is an encouraging sign, Claburn continued. He said he hopes politicians can recognize that without a healthy trucking industry, upstate citizens will not be able to receive food, oil, or most other materials.

“Politicians bring words and talk and chaos,” Claburn said. “Human beings deliver hope.”

Staff writer Christopher Caskey can be reached at 253-5311 ext. 282 or christopher.caskey@lee.net.

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nature lover wrote on Nov 28, 2008 9:25 AM:

" john wrote on Nov 28, 2008 1:55 AM:
"when was the last time u saw railroad tracks going to the post office...walmart...the food store..give it up..."
the teamsters union saw to that!! underhanded buyouts of rail craft unions so they could overtake the roads aquashing out the competition. And to SilverSurfer: perhaps rt 20 WAS b4 the thruway but it is now there for your use - SO USE IT !!! The amount of rigs on the roads now is a heck of alot higher then your "back in day" quote bud!! "

john wrote on Nov 28, 2008 1:55 AM:

" this is to farmer gal...u would not have a way of life if it was not for trucks...the clothes you have on were shipped by truck the food you ate today, the soap u used...the chair u sit in...your mail...when was the last time u saw railroad tracks going to the post office...walmart...the food store..give it up....and as far as roll overs...train derailments put nobody at risk?? I can also tell you that your pets and kids are safe around most truckers..besides that lets use alittle common sence...keep your kid out of the road...and the comment about bullies...this makes me laugh...the fact is most do not know how trucks operate..ever tried to stop a 80,000 truck because some one can't wait a extra couple seconds to get somewere...ever slam on your brakes on while your infront of a truck and have no idea how close you come to putting yourself and passangers in harmes way, if you really want safer roads...rally your schools to teach safty around trucks in there student driving courses and rally the state to include it in the 5 hour course.I presonally do not like being called a bullie....i'm out there day and night..rain snow etc to get products to you, and I do it in a proffesional manner, and farmers gal..one more thought...boats on our lakes ..they don't use gas or oil??this could not hurt the lake??lets get some common sence and stop insulting the very people that make your way of life possible. "

SilverSurfer wrote on Nov 28, 2008 12:38 AM:

" FarmersGal...
Route 20 existed prior to the Thruway and was constructed, and is currently maintained, to handle trucking. It is a part of the Highway Network System and has always been the alternative route to the Thruway. Do your homework, darling.

This issue is about government corruption and the economic impacts they place upon the trucking industry to support their coffurs. This ban is only a means of forcing trucks onto the Thruway to pay outrageous toll rates...plain and simple.

Safe Trails and God Bless,
Frederick (SilverSurfer) Schaffner "

stevedallas wrote on Nov 27, 2008 5:21 PM:

" Sorry FarmGal, why dont you get a weight on the fire depts ladder truck- Its heavier than most tractor trailers! Nice try tho, the road in your town is built just fine for the weight! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 27, 2008 2:40 PM:

" nature would know -- her family works for the railroad. No way shipping 100 trucks' worth of freight pulled by one engine is going to cost more than 100 trucks each with its own engine. One truck engine surely takes less energy than a train engine, but not 100 times less.

That cr*p about not getting goods on the shelf is BS -- it's just a diversion from the issue. NO ONE is complaining about LOCAL truck traffic, so don't give us that. We don't want long distance haulers on roads which were not designed for heavy truck traffic. What's so hard to understand about that?

And guess what, honey? I am the first one you'll hear laying out the facts about the destruction of our local natural environment by corporate agribusiness -- not by "farmers" -- by CORPORATIONS engaged in factory-style agribusiness.

That doesn't have anything to do with this conversation, which is about increased risks from TRUCK TRAFFIC. Just because "someone else does it too" doesn't change the facts about trucks.

You just keep tossing up those diversionary tactics -- you still haven't addressed the issue at all -- which is that there are long-distance haulers in large numbers, often speeding and disregarding safety in other ways, ILLEGALLY traveling on roads which ARE NOT DESIGNED TO CARRY THEIR TRAFFIC.

It's got nothing to do with local truck traffic. It's got nothing to do with farmers. It's got nothing to do with half the rubbish out of your mouth.

Any sympathy others might have had for these guys went out the window when the truckers started the bully-boy tactics, demanding to be allowed to break the safety laws and making threats if they don't get their way. "

nature lover wrote on Nov 27, 2008 1:25 PM:

" gennygirl wrote on Nov 27, 2008 9:41 AM:

" talk about ignorance,it costs twice as much to ship by rail than you think. I know that for a fact!

and prey tell how would u know that? "

quest wrote on Nov 27, 2008 11:31 AM:

" PROTECT OUR GREATEST NATURAL RESOURCE!
OUR FINGER LAKES!!!

I SUGGEST CITIZENS USE EVERY CROSSWALK FROM WEEDSPORT TO SKANEATELES, SLOW THEM DOWN AND MAKE THEM WAIT!
WE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE!
KEEP NYC TRASH IN NY CITY! "

springy wrote on Nov 27, 2008 10:24 AM:

" shoemaker187, you are clearly ignorant in this situation. NO ONE is protesting local truck traffic, NO ONE! The trucks are filled with garbage from NYC, not vise-versa. They are not delivering goods to our families; they are delivering NYC trash to a dump in Seneca Falls. It isn't just Skaneateles, the trucks come up through Aurora and Union Springs too. "

yougottabekidding wrote on Nov 27, 2008 10:13 AM:

" " a risk to roads (which aren't designed to carry heavy truck traffic), our pets and children,"

Give me a break! That's typical 'jump on the bandwagon' rhetoric. If you bothered to teach your pets and children to stay out of the road, you wouldn't have to worry about it. "

gennygirl wrote on Nov 27, 2008 9:41 AM:

" talk about ignorance,it costs twice as much to ship by rail than you think. I know that for a fact! Why don't they condemn farmers, they spill more chemiclas into the lakes,streams and into the environment. THEY LEAVE ROADS A MESS, WITH MUD ON THE ROADS AND manure spread on the roads and DON'T BOTHER TO CLEAN IT UP! A TRUCKING COMPANY GETS FINED FOR LEAVING THE ROADS A MESS WHY DON'T THE FARMERS! "

shoemaker187 wrote on Nov 27, 2008 8:20 AM:

" Listen up to those that disagree, you want no trucks! As of today, throw out your own trash, threr will be no more truckers picking it up and driving it to nyc. Car dealers in town, no more deliveries, shut them down. Oh I have a headache, EVERYTHING in life is by truck. If you dont get this, then god help your ignorant souls. Give the men a break. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 27, 2008 7:47 AM:

" P.S. We could be receiving goods just fine -- and much more safely -- if we keep those trucks on roads designed for their heavy traffic, and even more safely if we shipped goods across country by rail and only used small to mid-sized trucks for local deliveries. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 27, 2008 7:45 AM:

" Your trucks on our rural roads is a direct assault on OUR way of life, and a risk to roads (which aren't designed to carry heavy truck traffic), our pets and children, as so many trucks speed on our roads, and our lakes and natural environment, with the risk of roll-overs -- one of which just occurred yesterday right at Thruway Exit 41 -- how's that for ironic!

We are FINALLY getting the law enforced, and you will have to stay on the roads which were designed for heavy truck traffic. I hope they arrest every single trucker who purposely disrupts traffic tomorrow. Time you bullies learned a lesson in respect and consideration for the people whose homes you've made miserable. "

northender wrote on Nov 27, 2008 7:36 AM:

" It's a dickens of a statement from you brew,did I say dickens "

rdj1954 wrote on Nov 27, 2008 2:35 AM:

" Ahhh...Holiday time in Skaneatles....the lights, the sights, the smell of diesel in the air. "

brew1234 wrote on Nov 27, 2008 1:47 AM:

" Get the biggest task force of law enforcement and tow trucks then fine and tow them all. They are endangering the public safety. You want to hold signs and protest OK, but not obstruct traffic and create hazards. If you can't see the inherent danger in this foolishness you are not very bright. "

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