Two Cents

Monday, November 24, 2008 5:23 PM EST

The truckers talking about how they bring gas, food and things to Skaneateles and other communities. A lot of these truckers are just passing through, they're not bringing anything to these communities.



Regarding the federal government's proposed bailout of the big three automakers: There should be a caveat and a restriction that only four-cylinder and hybrid motor cars can be built with this money. The bailout should only go to fuel efficiency and self-reliance --- absolutely no V8s, V10s, Chrysler, Hemi, Corvettes with 650 horsepower, Cadillacs with 600 horsepower -- only hybrid 4-cylinder cars with this bailout money and this should be written in stone.

Let's face it, the "Two Cents" feature is now a very limited weekly column. Even I can write eight sentences a week and not break into a serious sweat.

These truck drivers cry and companies cry but they don't realize the trucks are too big today, there's too many of them and the roads are bad enough in Auburn. Early in the morning you hear these three or four go by at 4 in the morning, hitting every hole, waking people up.




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Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 30, 2008 6:10 AM:

" As Karl has noted before, when you have no answer to the specifics, you resort to insult and diversion (as well as jumping to false conclusions). "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 30, 2008 6:09 AM:

" cm, that is indeed a dangerous situation. I had a friend who went for a colonoscopy and to have some polyps clipped. Her doc told her she might have some pain afterwards, don't worry about it, and he promptly left on a vacation after the procedure. She had pain and tried to ignore it, but her husband found her writhing on the floor in agony and rushed her in, where they found the doc had put a hole through her bowel and all that waste was leaking into her body. Doc #2, who saved her life in emergency surgery, was pretty upset when he first came out, but within a few hours, the docs were covering up for each other, claiming she had thin walls and it would have happened anyway. None of us believed it for a minute, though she did, and we all gritted our teeth when she went back to Doc #1 for the follow-up surgery (she had to have everything routed to a bag on the outside for a month or two before having everything put back to normal).

We almost lost a friend that night -- it doesn't take long. There's a reason the body eliminates waste outside of itself!

Also, my mistake on the spelling -- incarcerated means "in jail" -- not incarserated. I'll have to look that one up! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 30, 2008 6:02 AM:

" You are rude, arrogant AND a fool. I don't live on a main highway -- I live on a little dead-end street with almost no traffic. I also live in the hamlet, away from manure -- had to move specifically for that reason.

[I also have a very good job where I am paid to think, to supervise, to manage a big budget (in plush times and lean), to implement innovations, to do technology troubleshooting and a lot of other interesting things. With a BA from Wells (summa c^m laude, Phi Beta Kappa and Distinction, along with a couple awards), MA from Cornell (all As and one B from a prof with whom I disagreed) and MLS from Syracuse (3.82 GPA while working full-time and going to grad school full-time), I'd not be classed by anyone as "mentally deficient." I don't usually tote out my sheepskins, but since you were so purposely insulting, I felt it an appropriate response.]

You are jumping to false conclusions, probably because in your world you couldn't imagine defending others whose circumstances are not the same as your own. "

anonymous wrote on Nov 29, 2008 7:36 PM:

" ANyone who puts fuel in a vehicle is paying for the maintenance of the roads. Now I understand that you do not pay alot of taxes, being that you work your minimum wage part time job so it does not interfere with your SSI YOU RECEIVE FOR YOUR MENTAL DEFECIENCIES, but most of us do pay our fair share.

Keep blatting because you were ignorant and bought a home on one of the State's main thouroughfares. Oh, and go ahead and suggest I don't get it. I do. You think you are priviledged. I am sorry to be the one who has to tell you that you are not. "

karl again... wrote on Nov 29, 2008 6:53 PM:

" anonymous, what kind of an idiot hits people's pets and doesn't stop to offer condolences?! "

cm wrote on Nov 29, 2008 6:11 PM:

" Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 28, 2008 7:19 AM:
good one FG! and so true..
YES they do call it:"incarserated" hernia.He actually received the jist of 'death' this AM from the doctor.Since it blew a hole thru the bowel which in-turn cut off the blood supply they had to remove about 4 inches, which in a matter of hours gangrene would have set in causing death!

SO guys or gals..a hernia isnt always as easy going as it sounds!

I worked the AM shift 'black friday' we were BUSY! everyone at our mall was in a great mood, except for those trying to park!
Our store was shy of goal by 300.00.
TODAY the crew says the mall is dead.

I had headed south at 3pm my daughter and I stayed overnight, since he was expected to go home..I didnt want to do the drive another day!
After leaving the hospital, had to swing by his apartment and get his stuff, for recooperation here. About 2 weeks long.
I must be noble! Of course I care after 23 yrs together, but moments of the last 6 months keep creeping in my head..

for sure 'you know who your friends are' especially when his boss--knowing he collapsed on the job hasnt even picked up the phone to call. "

nature lover wrote on Nov 29, 2008 5:01 PM:

" oops...tonight is parade nite! and the weather is great!! Having all this holiday time off has mixed me up on days! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 29, 2008 3:33 PM:

" Route 90 from Genoa to King Ferry is a good case in point. From the hamlet center at the bottom of the valley heading west it's a 13% grade, with deep ditches and no shoulders. Almost to the top but not quite is a dangerous blind corner with Indian Field Rd. As you head just a little further west, there's another valley -- this one with not only steep hills, but blind curves and also no shoulders and lots of woods where the deer pop out suddenly when you can't see them until the last second. This little hollow has small mobile homes set in little nooks in the steep hillsides, all with very difficult driveways.

This road IS NOT DESIGNED FOR NOR SAFE FOR constant heavy truck traffic. There is every very good reason to ban it from Route 90, which has longer stretches similar to the one I describe than areas which might be OK for regular truck traffic.

BTW, someone could have bought a nice home in the quiet countryside alongside a small farm 30 years ago, and not minded the sweet smell of fresh cow manure at all -- only to have the big corporate farms drive the small farmer out of business, then buy up his land and overload it with liquid manure and its dangerous toxic fumes, not to mention the overspreading washing into wells and ponds and lakes, and the steady stream of hauling and spreading equipment. Now you sit back in your ugly urban spread and lay the blame on the person who bought the home next to the little farm in the country.

I think you could just as easily draw a similar analogy when it comes to some of these roads truckers have been using as if they were safe through routes for heavy truck traffic the past several years.

It's called Blame the Victim. "

nature lover wrote on Nov 29, 2008 2:59 PM:

" *sigh*!%...anonymous for the most part I ignore your posts because u remind me of past coworkers that fall into a labeled minority - the 'always one in every crowd', the 'one that could screw up a free lunch', the 'one that WOULD look a gift horse in the mouth'. Regardless of the topic du jour: be it bath towels or butterflies u show reading comprehension to the point of getting just the 'jist' of it and then post your half empty rhetoric just to be obstinant. I guess if one were to actually take your 'state route' comment literally that would mean ALL on E & W Genny, South & North Sts, N&S Fulton, Owasco, Lake, State, parts of Standart, Hamilton Sts, (should I go on?) should be ghost towns generating no property taxes. And that subject: tax payers, hmmm interesting as I do wonder how much income taxes are withheld from those who work in a sub shop and pay rent! Play in the age appropriate playground, k? I suggest you reread past posts and take notes, try to get some help and quit being so obtuse? "

karl again... wrote on Nov 29, 2008 1:05 PM:

" Hadenough---your problem as a trucker should be taken up with Albany, NOT this county.

All yesterday's truck parade was was a big crybaby temper-tantrum to mommy because the truckers were afraid that Albany wouldn't listen.

Waaaaaaa!

BTW, this happened is Scranton, Pa, back in the 90's as well--SAME culprits--TRASH TRUCKS from NJ and NY, rolling down residential Keyser Avenue, instead of taking the highway to the bid landfill in Old Forge.

The SAME issues were raised, and the townspeople would protest the trucks every other day. Finally, they built an extension off of the turnpike to allow garbage haulers to get to the landfill without inconveniencing the residents and tying up the roadways.

WE ALREADY HAVE THE THRUWAY--PROTEST THE TOLLS AND THE GAS PRICES THEN!!! "

anonymous wrote on Nov 29, 2008 1:01 PM:

" I have to ask the obvious question. What kind of idiot buys a house on a State Route and then complains about traffic. It would be like buying a house out in the country and then complaining about the smell from the dairy farm next door. It would be like buying a house next to a Church and complaining about the increased traffic on Sunday. It would be like buying a home on Orchard Street and complaining about crime in the neighborhood. I think the old saying was "let the buyer beware." Instead, it has become let the buyer cry to his elected officials, and if he and his neighbors have enough money to donate to their campaign, we will just make more restrictive laws to please the "influential" (read Monied) people. Screw those who pay taxes, because we all pay taxes. "

nature lover wrote on Nov 29, 2008 12:05 PM:

" Dear "so called" (lmao on that 1) hadenough and other truck advocates:

Bottom line is this people, regardless of your reading comprehension, the laws are in the books - period. Its the law!! Now u have had your little truck protest so lets allow the authorities to do their jobs now, k? I believe truck luvers and truck haters alike will find that legitimate trucking companies, ie Weggies, Wallyworld, etc that haul goods to our beautiful fingerlakes area will be free to pass without any interruption. On the other hand the law was written to protect us residents also that have a right to clean drinking water and a quality of life. So known massive violation vehicles such as trash haulers WILL BE pulled over and ticketed. When we bought this old vic 8 yrs ago yes, there were trucks, easy to handle but when Seneca Meadows opened it became a free for all and plaster started to crack. So in telling someone to move is ignorant and selfish in the fact that MOST of Auburn can hear a truck gear down in ANY part of this city because trucks have free reign till the LAW goes into effect. Thats right again: ITS THE LAW!! and laws are put in place to serve and protect unless of course u r G dubya and put forth laws that torture people. But I digress. Lets get a grip now and allow what the lawmakers intended for us to work. I think u will c that it will benefit ALL parties involved with the exception of one. Adios... "

Farmers Gal wrote on Nov 29, 2008 11:28 AM:

" BTW, there is no apostrophe before "s" unless you mean to indicate a contraction or a possessive. The plural of "delivery" is "deliveries," not "delivery's;" the plural of "jogger" is "joggers," not "jogger's." I saw one much worse than this somewhere else online in the past 24 hours and I guess I reached my tolerance limit. Ye gods! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 29, 2008 10:57 AM:

" So you still use a few bigger trucks, but they only travel locally.

Trains will use less fuel, so less of a surcharge, so the overall cost of shipping is still less.

The point is to eliminate long-distance hauling by truck and shift that kind of shipping to rail, as well as keeping garbage vehicles and other heavy truck traffic off roads which were not built to withstand such heavy traffic.

I also know that the big trucks come in big, bigger and really huge. Farmer Guy sells hay and straw downstate to a race track for horses, and the haulers carry it in various-sized big trucks. The idea here is to reduce big truck traffic and ship as much by more efficient and less costly rail as possible, and use trucks only locally. From rail to store, no reason to separate goods by the wholesalers -- put everything in one truck and make sure it's full before it leaves the depot -- another way to save.

I think a lot more than the average American. Farmer Guy teases me, but the truth is, as a librarian, I AM paid to think. "

hadenough wrote on Nov 29, 2008 10:02 AM:

" farmergirl
Do you ever think before you write.Lets do some follow up on your idea.We can start with just a few Auburn businesses, lets take Walmart, Lowes,Home Depot,Wegmans,BassPro, Sears and JC Penny.How many trucks do you think they get in during a week,lets just say 100.Have you any idea the size difference between a 53 foot trailer and a local box truck ??Just to give you and so called NATURE LOVER an idea,it would take about 300 to 400 to do this job.Now think about cost ,any idea what a fuel Surcharge is ?How will this affect our growing oil dependency.Who will pay for all this extra, only one person the consumer.Good idea, lets increase the traffic by about 30 to 40 percent and quadruple the fuel consumption, not to mention the evironmental side of this .Oh yeah the small box trucks, they are not regulated by DOT.A good number of them leak oil,polute the air and are not as safe as truck that are regulated. "

daydreamer wrote on Nov 29, 2008 9:11 AM:

" Wow, what an exciting day. People lineing up to inhale 35 min. of diesel exhaust. I always got a kick out of seeing jogger's along side heavy traffic. Sucking in the carcinogens from tailpipes. Not to long ago, everyone was complaining about the high price of fuel. Now that prices have dropped, let's have a parade. I thought that the regulations were put in place for the trash truck's, and not consumer goods delivery's. And thank you Cayuga and Seneca for helping Mr. Bush to strip away another civil liberty. The right of an individual to make a private purchase, on private land. The state allow's these business to operate, sue them. "

brew1234 wrote on Nov 29, 2008 12:21 AM:

" Regarding the death at a WallieMart on Longuyland. The stores are driving the frenzy with the extreme low prices and a lack of supply of the merchandise. They bear the resposibility for these sales. They send a guy that works on the overnite stock crew to the doors to control an unruly mob and they are in shock that someone is hurt. The stores need some controls on the frenzy they create. Best Buy takes some of the leading sale items and hands out tickets for the amount of the items that are available to the first people in line prior to opening the doors. This slows down the front of the line and does help. They may also need to hire some off duty police details. They should also increase the quanity of sale goods so that the anxiety of getting the sale item is reduced. I have worked in retail mgmt. for over 25 years and I feel the stores should not get a free pass for these Black Friday incidents. "

karl again... wrote on Nov 28, 2008 10:08 PM:

" Great report, nature lover! Thanks for the details! "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Nov 28, 2008 9:02 PM:

" Black Friday killed two people at a Toys R Us store in Palm Desert, CA. A girl fight broke out and a boyfriend pulled out a gun and shots were fired. And you wonder why it's called Black Friday???? "

nature lover wrote on Nov 28, 2008 6:16 PM:

" Today, bell ringing at the FL Mall, I bore witness to the entire protest "convoy" of the truckers. I post here r/t the latest story the paper has up because there is just 2 many "bone"heads there!! At 1st it was loud with horns, I was thinking an emergency vehicle wanted to pass. All in all it was a quiet and relatively quick affair lasting about 35 minutes and not anywhere near the # of rigs projected. The smell of diesel d/n permeate the air till it was actually over! The highest % of rigs were cabs (no trailers) and of course the beloved trash haulers. I wont name them by name here but those of us familiar with their presence will recognize when i say they end in vowels 'e, i, and o'. Karl to stand out with your middle finger extended would have brought u to their low level because they so freely wave it at me as I am trying to do yard work on my RESIDENTIAL street! Brew, u would be happy to know the police presence was premium abd heavy. There were sheriffs and troopers brought in from all over and also a cop helicoper flew frequently about. The convoy was slowed taking up time to obey traffic lites and there were cars in between. And from the paper's story one rowdy trucker stopping in the middle of the road held it up too. From the arterial they did go on John St!! Our commercial vehicle violation force was right there at the corner to greet them.

Contrary to the papers line "drivers were greeted by hundreds of people lining the streets, most of them cheering", I would say the majority of people were confused and concerned as to what was actually going on. I fielded ?'s from quite a few people & stated this is a protest by truckers because they are banned off our rural roads now in order to protect our drinking waters and quality of life. There were others with one line support of it and I then quoted a line from this am's post by daydreamer about the $2800 one way income for trashers and that drove home the point of keeping NYC trash away! So I thank u for that. There were a few with the ignorant line "stick it to Skaneateles" like that town is full of lepers and are alone in its desire to be rid of rigs and its all their fault against the great american trucker!! As I said u drink that water too!!! All in all a lot of who ha about nothing because we are the ones that live here and the law is the law - period.

On another note bell ringing was great again this year finding people friendly and generous. The most rewarding is when the kids want to put in the kettle - and for them this year I bought suckers. The kettles are larger than last and I handed mine in just over half full.

Too bad about the weather tonight for the parade...brrr "

karl again... wrote on Nov 28, 2008 3:36 PM:

" loveisugly--10 POINTS!
You're my huckleberry!!
LOL! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 28, 2008 2:01 PM:

" Of course you don't see railroad tracks going to the post office or the grocery store. In the old days, they pretty much DID do that, but, as nature points out, that was squashed by the Teamsters.

BUT starting from where we are today -- no one was suggesting railroads should go to the door of businesses. We are suggesting using rail for long distance hauling, with smaller local trucks to carry goods from the rail depots to the stores, homes and post offices! "

loveisugly wrote on Nov 28, 2008 1:39 PM:

" the movie is tombstone-val kilmer as doc holliday. that is all "

karl again... wrote on Nov 28, 2008 1:32 PM:

" For as much as you Islamofobes like to bash Islam, it looks like they have the Justice System correct!


TEHRAN, Iran – Iranian newspapers say a court has sentenced a man who blinded a woman with acid also to be blinded with acid under the country's Islamic law.

Thursday's reports in several newspapers, including the Kargozaran, say 27-year-old Majid confessed to attacking Ameneh Bahrami in 2004 to dissuade anyone from marrying the woman he loved.

Wednesday's ruling was issued based on the Islamic law system of "qisas," or eye for an eye retribution.

The reports say Ameneh asked the court to sentence Majid, who was only identified by his first name, to be blinded by acid to prevent similar attacks on other women."

What a sick cookie, huh? He deserves what he got here! "

karl again... wrote on Nov 28, 2008 12:10 PM:

" anonymous, you know what's so funny-and pathetic?!

You're "glad we all hate you"--YET YOU'RE "ANONYMOUS"!!!

At least I have the courage to post my name!

Can you just change your handle to "Coward"?!

You're no daisy. You're no daisy at all!! (OK, 10 points to anyone who comes up with the answer for the correct cultural reference there that I'm making--anyone know?) "

nature lover wrote on Nov 28, 2008 9:42 AM:

" sorry about the typos..i was heated regarding TRUCKS!! as I am sure there will be criticism about not using spell check or whatever LAME post is put out there by SOME of the labotomy type!! "

nature lover wrote on Nov 28, 2008 9:39 AM:

" Obama has named millionaire industrial agribusiness one of the first to get cut from handouts of subsidized money. To me the handle 'farmersgal" points to an action of humble farming which is now becoming obsolete! dont pair her with cigs and corporations as u c/n be further from fact.

BLD- Thanksgiving was nice here, very quiet and a humbling experience since Ma passed. Sorry for your plight cm - I think I would be in the hospital myself with a case of the nerves if all that was happening to u was bestowed on me!! I wish you a lite at the end of the tunnel!! Getting ready to bell ring on this dreary weathered day! People remember if u have anything to give there are SO many that are hungry. There is an alarming increase in the amount of children that do get enough to eat daily right here in the US!!

And i simply MUST state the Cayuga Indian Nation sells cigs and gas on NON RESERVATION property. The non tax part is for INDIANS ONLY. I dont understand why that point goes by the wayside. NON INDIANS must pay tax therefore those of u going in for cigs and gas s/b paying tax on said merchandise. Thats a bunch of crap about paying it on your annual income tax also! We are ONE NATION!!! "

nature lover wrote on Nov 28, 2008 9:28 AM:

" TO BRING TEH RRUCK TALK HERE:

john wrote on Nov 28, 2008 1:55 AM:
"when was the last time u saw railroad tracks going to the post office...walmart...the food store..give it up..."
the teamsters union saw to that!! underhanded buyouts of rail craft unions so they could overtake the roads aquashing out the competition. And to SilverSurfer: perhaps rt 20 WAS b4 the thruway but it is now there for your use - SO USE IT !!! The amount of rigs on the roads now is a heck of alot higher then your "back in day" quote bud!! "

daydreamer wrote on Nov 28, 2008 7:34 AM:

" I spoke with a trucker, and was told that the guy's hauling trash from downstate are paid $2800.00 a week to run one load a day. Takeing the short cut's uses up more diesel, and places more wear and tear on the truck's. They just do it because the trash haulers can work less hour's for the same pay. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 28, 2008 7:30 AM:

" Parting shot -- for the people who assume because of my screen name that I would defend huge farm equipment on the roads -- I DON'T. I'd be all for tighter restrictions on those dangerous things as well. Anything that doesn't fit in one lane shouldn't be on the road, as far as I am concerned. And if it weren't for corporate agribusiness upping the ante so that small farms can't afford the huge equipment, necessitating them to hire someone else to do the harvesting, which means the equipment has to be out on the road from one place to another all the time, well, we'd see a lot less of that dangerously oversized farm equipment out on the road. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 28, 2008 7:26 AM:

" Pick an herbal tea, so as not to addict yourself to caffeine, LOL! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 28, 2008 7:25 AM:

" My Thanksgiving was the opposite of cm's -- who had a major family crisis and didn't get to have the meal. We had the meal -- but no one was much interested. I had to wake my kid up at almost noon to get him to come eat, and then he had some turkey with gravy and wasn't interested in anything else -- no potato, no dressing, no veggies, no cranberry, not even homemade pumpkin pie. Farmer Guy was off skinning deer and came in for a small plate of left-overs later in the afternoon. I spent the day making the meal, then cleaning it up.

I love making the meal -- to share it with others. I don't mind cleaning up after enjoying a meal with family and friends. I got all the work and no reward, I'm afraid.

I can still be thankful I have a job, a home, family and friends, even if they are neither here much nor sociable when they are. Plenty of folks have none of the above, though I have always wondered why it should make people feel good to know there are people worse off than they are -- I just find it depressing. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 28, 2008 7:21 AM:

" Last I heard, on CNN within the past hour, no one knows who the terrorists in Mumbai are much less what they want. Aren't you just jumping to the conclusion they are Muslim? They may be, but we don't know that and you just show you knee-jerk prejudice. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 28, 2008 7:20 AM:

" Oh, and truckers' families wouldn't have to spend as much time worrying about their loved ones getting home safely if there were no more cross-country trucking because goods were transported long-distance by rail and trucks were for local deliveries only. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 28, 2008 7:19 AM:

" Sounds about right, zero.

cm -- interesting how he dumps you then you're the first one he calls when he's in trouble. Well, you are a noble person to answer the call (not being facetious). Too bad he didn't have more appreciation for your friendship.

Do they really call it an "incarserated" hernia? Like it's locked up in jail? Or is that a typo? Medical conditions do get weird names sometimes.

Well, I hope the chump is OK, and that you can enjoy a proper feast in a more relaxed atmosphere in a few days when things settle down. "

daydreamer wrote on Nov 28, 2008 7:15 AM:

" Yes, Karl, I agree. Cigarettes kill. As does alcohol, or eating to much ice cream, or consuming to many doughnuts, over one's lifetime. I am not defending cigarette's, just questioning the unfair taxation of a legally sold product. And, thank you farmer's gal. Corporations have killed democracy, and I have alway's felt that the i.r.s. is a legalized form of racketering, and goes against the constitution. I will now enjoy my cup of tea, that I had to pay taxes to three seperate entities upon purchase to enjoy. "

anonymous wrote on Nov 28, 2008 7:14 AM:

" How come so many ignorant people like to declare themselves geniuses? Most would barely pass as literate if it were not for spellcheck. "

Northender wrote on Nov 28, 2008 3:29 AM:

" comments about comments = zero "

dan w wrote on Nov 28, 2008 1:02 AM:

" I see the "peacefull"muslims have attacked in India. "

brew1234 wrote on Nov 28, 2008 12:13 AM:

" Compared to you I am a genius! "

anonymous wrote on Nov 27, 2008 8:58 PM:

" KA, is Daisy the name you use when you dress as a woman? Hi Daisy, you have lovely hair. "

anonymous wrote on Nov 27, 2008 8:56 PM:

" Brew, you are funny. But dont worry, because looks aren't anything.

By the way, if this was a reality show, you would be like Omarosa. She was stupid and thought she knew everything. "

anonymous wrote on Nov 27, 2008 8:55 PM:

" I am glad that you all hate me. I think you all are a bunch of sniffling crybabies.

Keep your dogs secured, as the law requires. "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Nov 27, 2008 6:52 PM:

" How was everyone's T Day?? Mine was good. I was taken into a happy home with good food!! "

movedsouth wrote on Nov 27, 2008 3:43 PM:

" nl, I have no idea why the Palin 12 was brought up, but my take is that you are a bitter person. Your misunderstanding about a pet owners responsibility is amazing. I worked with a guy who had a dog run out in front of him while riding a motorcycle 50+ mph, he could hardly walk the next day. The dog was OK, do you feel anything for the driver? I hit a dog a long time ago, the dog was OK, ran away. My car was damaged, that cost ME to have repaired. After he ran away, did I feel bad for the dog, NO! If you love your pet, keep it controlled. Responsibility folks. karl again I don't know if you ever laid your bike down, but remember there are two kinds of bike riders, those that have gone done and those that will. "

brew1234 wrote on Nov 27, 2008 2:20 PM:

" To bad this forum is not like a reality show so we could vote off anonymoose. Unfortunately he has a lot of entertainment value. Like a geek at the freak show. "

brew1234 wrote on Nov 27, 2008 2:17 PM:

" I have to realize that the majority of truckers on the roads are law abiding businessmen. These fools that are protesting common sense laws are the fringe nut cases. These are probably the same guys that speed on the highways, force cars out of their way, and ride in lanes that say no trucks. I respect truckers and their jobs. When they are approaching me on the highway at a higher speed, I will change my lane so they don't have to. They have a tough job to do and need to be respected. The tolerance for idiocy in driving a big rig is small because misuse of a multi-ton potential deadly weapon is very serious. Happy Thanksgiving to all. Truckers especially. "

daviddelker wrote on Nov 27, 2008 11:24 AM:

" Happy Thanksgiving. Please direct your attention to the hostage and bombing situations in India. Jeez-----maybe more talk will help.........maybe a dialogue with the terrorists will help......is what I heard from three college aged kids downtown this morning. I am really bothered by this. Maybe some life experience will change their perspective--at least I hope so. Savages do not posses the "reasoning" component. My feeling with regard to any terrorist act is: When you seek to murder someone because they are different---it is ethnic cleansing. "

karl again... wrote on Nov 27, 2008 10:21 AM:

" Daydreamer, the difference is, that cigarettes will kill you. but tea is a pleasant drink brewed and steeped in water, and goes well with crackers or a nice sherry.

What do I win?! What do I win?!?! "

karl again... wrote on Nov 27, 2008 10:19 AM:

" anonymous, a guilty conscience can make a person defensive, and hard-hearted, huh?

Thank you for confirming everything I've ever written about you on this site.

You are heartless, and completely uncouth. You're no daisy. You're no daisy at all! "

cm wrote on Nov 27, 2008 8:30 AM:

" turkey dinner is cancelled at my house.Maybe this weekend instead.

the hubby called from work--in horrible pain! took to the hospital via ambulance. I left work early picked up my daughter and headed over an hour south.

incarserated hernia, emergency surgery, while in there found a hole in the bowel. surgery took almost 2 hrs.
we didnt get home until midnight.
and returning there today.

I had no time to get pies, or small things like sugar--I sit here drinking sugarless coffee-YUK!

BUT at the mall, I bought Hickory Farms, beef and turkey sticks--tradition-SO THATS WHATS FOR DINNER!
lol "

cm wrote on Nov 27, 2008 8:17 AM:

" I read Natures link..
it seems most are upset with the truckers DUE to the dislikes of the trash-haulers, since this WASNT an issue until the trash came rolling thru.

I know a few truckers from many deliveries the past 14 yrs..that are NOT all hazardous drivers as some have labeled them.
The have families too and would like to get home safe to them as you would to your own family!
of the truckers I know, their biggest complaint are cars that pull out in front of them--thinking a semi can stop in a dime. NOT!
They are not bumbling idiots, they are businessmen only in jeans! Most of their runs are paid out fo their pockets first, then reinbursed. One run could cost 3-4 grand easily.

maybe instead of griping to them or about them--time would be better spent writing to your congressman,etc..
asking them to lower the tolls or dropping them completely FOR the truckers, then most will NOT take shortcuts to save some money to pay their electric bill or buy their child something special.

everyone likes to save money!
We clip coupons, they avoid tolls..

I cant even say 'they' avoid tolls--as I do as well. I will drive the backroads any day to stay away from tolls..that keep rising too!

Skaneatles would be very happy if 300 cars were going thru their town, so would Auburn--that equals 300 wallets that may open!

I would really like to see the archives of any town--that built themselves on the main routes..$$$$$

dont label all the truckers 'Vinnies' for they are NOT even close to that man in character! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 27, 2008 7:55 AM:

" Turkey is in the oven, laundry is ready to fold, dishes are washed (for the moment) and I am ready to take a little break before starting the pumpkin pie. Too bad it is just me and the older son home from college -- Farmer Guy just got called up to go skin deer -- couldn't you hunters take ONE stinkin' day off so I could have some time with my loved ones?

Other than that, all is well -- and a Happy Thanksgiving to all. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 27, 2008 7:54 AM:

" A larger part of the motivation behind the Boston Tea Party was the news, via sailors, of the abuses of the East India Company, which shipped the tea. The word was getting back about their treatment of slave laborers and other corporate practices, as well as the more well known "no taxation without representation."

The abuses of the East India Company were why the Founding Fathers built our laws to restrict the formation and operation of corporations. Unfortunately, in the intervening 200+ years, corporate lawyers have found ways to pervert those controls and stand them on their heads, giving more protections to the very corporate bodies to do the things the Founding Fathers wanted to prevent, at the expense of the people they wanted to protect. They are rolling in their graves, to be sure.

According to my mother, who is pretty up on these things, income tax is unconstitutional, but I wouldn't try to make that argument next April -- look what happened at Ruby Ridge.... "

cm wrote on Nov 27, 2008 7:45 AM:

" HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE! "

daydreamer wrote on Nov 27, 2008 7:20 AM:

" I have a question for Karl. What is the difference between the overtaxation of tea by the British,(that led to the Boston Tea Party), and the "sin" tax imposed by N.Y.S. that has caused the price of cigarettes to dramatically increase? "

brew1234 wrote on Nov 27, 2008 2:04 AM:

" Apparently one of the attributes you don't need to drive a truck is common sense. If the majority of the population prohibits you from driving on a certain road, you do it at your own peril. Paying tolls on the interstates will be the least of your expenses. AND! no one is barring you from driving to your destination from the nearest exit to your drop off location. "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Nov 26, 2008 9:33 PM:

" anonymous wrote on Nov 26, 2008 4:02 PM:
" Previously, i had asked: RIDDLE ME THIS, YE OF LITTLE INTELLIGENCE, WHAT DOESA PERSON STOPPING AFTER HITTING A DOG WHILE GOING 60 MILES AN HOUR DO FOR THE DOG? Karl again felt that he was properly described and saw fit to answer. He replied you should stop to apologize, like you do at a funeral hall when someone loses a loved one.

Well, I do not say "I am sorry" at funeral halls, because I had nothing to do with the loved one's death. I will offer my condolences, but not apologize.

As far as stopping and apologizing for hitting someone's dog, the person who allowed there animal to run free is responsible, so why should I apologize? "

When people say they are sorry, they are meaning they are sorry for that person's loss. It is a statement of compassion for the surviving loved ones. "

hadenough wrote on Nov 26, 2008 8:08 PM:

" farmergkid
First of all, my fault for not be so specific, I guess I assumed you had some kind of commen sense as you call it as to what I was saying.When I said DOT regulations that included, weight restricted and truck route roads, and I also I didnt mean every road.We can argue for ever what local delivery is and take it from someone that knows it happens every day all over.I will admit Im not a big fan of some of the trash haulers from the city and like anything theres good and bad.I will tell you though the state does make huge money from the dot stops.You cant just ban trucks on 20,34,38,41,41a, and 90 going through Aurora,saying you dont like the noise and your worried about them crashing.Heres one for the fact and numbers people, look up what percent big trucks contribute to taffic and what percent they contribrute to accidents.The numbers are unbeleivable !!Truck drivers are the safest drivers out there, percentage wise.Vinny isnt sticking up for the trash haulers, but for the general principle and trucking laws.I here everyone complain about trucks on 34, ok lets stop 53 and 48 foot trucks from delivering to wegmans !!! MY point being you cant pick and chose.Why stop there how about every farm machine that touches a road has to go through the same DOT inspections.How about telling bo mer they have to shut down, or move to an industrail complex.What about if Weedsport decides not to let any traffic through their town.Close down 20, and 34 and Auburn businesses would no longer exist.I know thats over reacting,but thats basically what you people are asking for,because you cant argue local delivery or single out trash trucks. "

nature lover wrote on Nov 26, 2008 7:53 PM:

" I saw FG - just proves our point. It prompted me to scan the archives to c who the actual brainiacs were with their I luv trucks commentary:

http://www.auburnpub.com/articles/2008/11/19/local_news/news02.txt

To all: Despite your luv of republicans and Palin '12, your defence of trucks on our residential roads, the indian tax evasion issues and of course you dog killers also...

HAPPY THANKSGIVING !!! Enjoy... "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 26, 2008 7:10 PM:

" Hey, nature, I see a GARBAGE truck ROLLED at Thruway exit 41, and it was closed down. Someone was giving you a hard time just the other day, saying those trucks don't ever roll, it's just a lot of talk, yadda-yadda. Well, I, for one, am glad it was on the Thruway and not along Route 90 along the lake.... "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 26, 2008 7:09 PM:

" Karl made it pretty clear. Obviously you are lacking in these areas and won't ever get it. Further discussion is pointless -- but stay the h3ll away from Genoa and MY pets, OK? "

Unknown... wrote on Nov 26, 2008 6:58 PM:

" Wow, after reading anonymous's last posting, the term sphincter leaps to mind.... "

anonymous wrote on Nov 26, 2008 4:02 PM:

" Previously, i had asked: RIDDLE ME THIS, YE OF LITTLE INTELLIGENCE, WHAT DOESA PERSON STOPPING AFTER HITTING A DOG WHILE GOING 60 MILES AN HOUR DO FOR THE DOG? Karl again felt that he was properly described and saw fit to answer. He replied you should stop to apologize, like you do at a funeral hall when someone loses a loved one.

Well, I do not say "I am sorry" at funeral halls, because I had nothing to do with the loved one's death. I will offer my condolences, but not apologize.

As far as stopping and apologizing for hitting someone's dog, the person who allowed there animal to run free is responsible, so why should I apologize? "

karl again... wrote on Nov 26, 2008 12:06 PM:

" Last night, Kieth Olberman and Rachael Maddow both reported that a new poll in California found that, since the protests, and increased publicity about the unfairness and dishonorable pretenses of Proposition 8 have been going on, that fully 8% of Californians who said that they voted "YES" on Prop 8 would NOW REVERSE THEIR VOTE!!!
Prop 8 passed with a 5% margin!

THAT MEANS THAT THE NEXT TIME IT IS PUT UP FOR A VOTE--if the California Supreme Court does not strike it down first?--IT WILL FAIL TO PASS!!!

Like I said--enjoy the bigotry while it lasts! "

karl again... wrote on Nov 26, 2008 9:46 AM:

" Stopping to find an owner after you hit or kill their pet is just a basic show of, and sign that you possess compassion and empathy!

It's no different than hearing that some one lost a loved one and seeing them in the funeral hall--you say "I'm sorry for your loss".

Sheeesh--this is such a basic rule of Humanity that it's amazing anyone would need it explained?! "

sabrina5487 wrote on Nov 26, 2008 9:13 AM:

" I was surprised that they raided the Indian owned stores without the states approval. The arguement is between the Government and Indian Nation. The government years ago should never had agreed to the Indians having a nation within a nation. I think they are wrong. Let the right departments of the government work this situation out. Don't let the police take their power and abuse it, it is wrong !! It doesn't matter who it is black, white, red or green. "

movedsouth wrote on Nov 26, 2008 7:38 AM:

" I don't believe anonymous killed any dog, maybe stirring the pot? But let's face it the pet owner has a responsibility to have pet under control. Period. Anyone who let's their pet free, will eventually suffer the lose of their pet. Just have a dog run in front of your m/c at 50 mph. You cannot shift blame from pet owner. If I hit a dog, I would probably stop and check ONE house, depending on time of day and location. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 26, 2008 4:34 AM:

" No, those trucks DON'T have a right to drive anywhere they please. The law says otherwise, as does common sense -- some roads are not designed for heavy truck traffic on a regular on-going basis. All over there are places trucks can't go -- like on the Henry Hudson in NYC (because the overpasses aren't high enough) or over certain bridges which aren't designed to take their weight. Some roads aren't designed to take their weight either.

Trucks with commercial licenses, whether they are independent or owned by a corporation, they are still under commercial licenses, are governed by different laws than private vehicles, so your comparison does not hold. Apples and oranges.

It's guilt-in-denial, nature -- cannot/will-not face, even inside his/her own head, that s/he is guilty of killing someone's pet, so s/he projects the blame and anger on someone else -- must have been the owner's fault. Classic Freudian case -- the liar thinks everyone else is lying, the unfaithful spouse thinks everyone else is cheating, the cowardly man thinks everyone else is afraid, etc because none of them want to see what's inside themselves. The fact that the guy keeps bringing it up obsessively is another little red flag. It's not a social ill s/he is trying to have righted, it's a constant blaming of others for his/her own actions because deep down, s/he knows who was driving the vehicle which killed someone's pet and didn't have the decency/courage to stop and face the consequences of his/her own actions. "

brew1234 wrote on Nov 26, 2008 1:05 AM:

" hadenoughofu, you are attributing a lot of statements to me that I never said. Do your research before you accuse. The bottom line is if a majority of the citizens convince the government to prohibit big rig haulers from certain state roads then that will be it. No where have I seen a requirement to off load freight to smaller trucks. No where will deliveries be prohibited to supermarkets and other businesses. The law is the law and you break it, you pay. You only have the right to operate your vehicle where the law allows you. Grow up and accept the consensus of the people. "

karl again... wrote on Nov 25, 2008 11:37 PM:

" Soooooo, anonymous--just exactly HOW MANY pets have you killed or hit lately?

Why do I have this mental picture of you in my head of you; red-rimmed eyes, slack-jawed, drooling, hands white around the wheel, prowling the back roads, eyes scanning the limits of your headlights for that next little dog or someone's tabby on a late-night pee break, just revving that engine at the sight of one near the roadway? "

anonymous wrote on Nov 25, 2008 11:35 PM:

" A lot of welfare cheats work from their "expenses paid" home office.

I have never hit a dog, but if I do I am probably not going to stop. Why would I? What purpose does that serve? "

cm wrote on Nov 25, 2008 11:19 PM:

" I have to agree with 'hadenough'
granted Vinnie is a loud mouth, and all his demands should not be met, but the truckers have a more valid point.

It is NOT the truckers fault the town of Skaneatlas choose to have a major state road going thru the middle of their town.
I bet when this route was in the making-the town was begging to make it happen. businesses were happy to see many more visitors which would stop and spend their money.

of course if the truckers are in direct violation for other roads banned,they shouldnt complain about getting a ticket either. "

cm wrote on Nov 25, 2008 11:08 PM:

" another day another dollar..
my store was about 300 over goal..we are doing really well..better than I thought.
Gas here is 1.69 at Hess when I went to work today.
I didnt pay attention on the way home tonight.

I go to physical therapy 2ce a week for vertigo..(part of comp injury)
they make me dizzy and time how long it takes to become stable again--what fun!
nearly fell on my butt today..lol
then they adjust my neck and I have to wear my soft brace for the rest of the night and worse sleep with my head very elevated! that is so not comfortable! "

nature lover wrote on Nov 25, 2008 7:57 PM:

" show showy anonymoose...I am NOT "on the public dole so that I could make a career out of posting on this blog". I know u wished real bad I was that way but I work really hard at my excellent career where I have the luxury of working from a premium home office all expenses paid. And when I need to rest my eyes and talk turkey I swing the ol' chair over yonder to my personal CPU and jabber with the likes of u for a joke! It wasnt my dog u murdered and ty for admitting u r guilty. Please nurse that recent labotomy u seem 2 have not quite recovered from because honestly, u do ramble about zip !! Enjoy your evening!!! Oh and I must ask did YOU vote for Bush twice? "

hadenough wrote on Nov 25, 2008 7:40 PM:

" SLOWBREW
I HAVE TO TELL YOU HAVE NO CLUE.A lot of the truckers are independents signed on to loads.They live and pay NY state taxes and register their trucks here ,which isnt cheap.They have every right to drive on any state or county highway just like you and me providing they follow every DOT regulation.If I told every skan resident they had to take route 20 to 81 to get to syracuse and every AUBURN person they had to take 34 to weedsport to get on 90 to go to syracuse it would be no different.How about if welch allen had to have everything that get in and ship out, go thru another middle man in a smaller truck,what would happen, well I will tell you they would go out of business,You cant just single out the trash haulers.Next and most importantly, trucking companies like A DUIE PYLE,CONWAY,FEDEX,YELLOW,NEMF, NEW PENN,ROADWAY, HOLLAND and a few others are really only some of the last places that pay a decent wage.Even a part time dock worker can make 12 to 16 dollars an hour to start with no experience at these places.Do you think, Lowes, Walmart,HOME DEPOT, BASS PRO ,WEGMANS,even manufactures Tessy, MCQUAY, MADISON FILTER, WELCH ALLEN,CURRIER PLASTICS, AUTECH, BO MER,NEED I GO ON!!!! Start people out with decent wages like this.Untill you do some research and have a clue, you should just keep your opionions about how simple things are ,when you mind is the only simple thing here. "

movedsouth wrote on Nov 25, 2008 6:41 PM:

" Costco gas $1.729, maybe I'll make that $1.60 target. "

anonymous wrote on Nov 25, 2008 5:47 PM:

" I love how morons, when they dont agree with someone's point of view, try to belittle that person and talk down to them. They might even make fun of a person's screen name, or refer to a tongue in cheek comment made months ago.

That being said, I wish i too was on the public dole so that I could make a career out of posting on this blog.

AND IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR PETS SO LITTLE THAT YOU DO NOT KEEP THEM PROPERLY SECURED, YOU HAVE NO COMPLAINTS> RIDDLE ME THIS, YE OF LITTLE INTELLIGENCE, WHAT DOESA PERSON STOPPING AFTER HITTING A DOG WHILE GOING 60 MILES AN HOUR DO FOR THE DOG? OTHER THAN MAKE THEM A TARGET FOR SOMEONE'S MISPLACED ANGER, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Oh, and the law just got ramroded through. It has not even gone through the public comment period yet. "

nature lover wrote on Nov 25, 2008 4:30 PM:

" that w/b $50 MORE than my usual donation. I work hard for my money and I like to share with a worthy cause. and the term cash - what do u prefer cookies, kisses or puppies? I mean what were u gonna send cm? cash!! and that is what speaks, nothing is insensitive about that. "

movedsouth wrote on Nov 25, 2008 4:09 PM:

" Just my take on your letter, I think it would have been better unsaid about not sending "cash". I felt it lacked sensitivity, and to go on to say you're putting $50 in the kettle, good for you. As for anonymous, I think he tends to be facitious, which not too many pick up on. "

nature lover wrote on Nov 25, 2008 3:18 PM:

" welp u showed your true colors then "

movedsouth wrote on Nov 25, 2008 3:02 PM:

" I don't feel the big trucks should be on side roads, but if it is legal for them to run 20, then they should be able to. And yes "

nature lover wrote on Nov 25, 2008 2:17 PM:

" movedsouth, defending anonymous and his assinine remarks doesnt do u justice seriously. I agree "it was soothing to hear the whistles" and u do get used to them. U can hear the whistle of the FLRR all thru Auburn. I suggest u pull up one of our local news stations like www.wixt.com and view how Vinnie, the protest organizer, presented himself. Nothing really pertains to Rt 20, its how he wants use of any and all roads they see fit to travel on OR (like he owns all truckers) he will boycott deliveries to said village. Plus he wants the task forces to stop pulling over truckers and writing up fines. In other words he wants NO law enforcement whatsoever. Now does that make sense to u? Now I must ask were u being facitious when you posted "heartfelt letter" when i responded to cm? "

movedsouth wrote on Nov 25, 2008 1:35 PM:

" anonymous, it didn't take long to prove it. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 25, 2008 1:35 PM:

" That's terrific news, nature -- hope he can follow through. Thanks! "

movedsouth wrote on Nov 25, 2008 1:32 PM:

" "But because the plan had to be altered to avoid interfering with federal highway guidelines pertaining to the use of U.S. roads like Route 20, the main drag through Skaneateles will remain free of any restriction" If laws are being broken by having these trucks pass thru town, then the police should curtail this. It would not be hard to stop. As for trains, I lived near a set of tracks and SEVERAL trains went by all night long. It's amazing how far away you can hear the whistle blow, street crossings and driveways. After getting used to the trains, it was soothing to hear the whistles. I miss them. "

born-in-bklyn wrote on Nov 25, 2008 12:59 PM:

" Anonymous: It is a law. No. Through. Truck. Traffic. Vinnie. Wants. Skaneateles. To. Break. The. Law. Understand now? NYS has mandated no through truck traffic on certain roads, NYS or otherwise. There is no argument. Vinnie just doesn't like the law. There are many such laws throughout NYS. This is just one. Capisce? "

nature lover wrote on Nov 25, 2008 12:55 PM:

" Anonymoose, suggestion is to keep your opinions to the kiddie table and let the big boys talk truck, k? we all know what state routes/roads mean to u as in if there is a family pet in my driving path, I WILL kill or mame it. I havent forgotton.

FG - u will LUV this. Obama just had another news conference naming more members and he stated things allowed in past budgets would get the ax in his ie: millionare industry farmers getting gov't subsidies - they will end! U gotta like that news and that he used that as a #1 example!!

And news flash county officials are raiding Lakeside right now for untaxed cigs...so the next step begins...

did anyone experience that odd power surge at 7:45 this am? "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 25, 2008 12:24 PM:

" A 100 car train would go through town ONCE in the night, not 100 times, as the trucks would.

Even if a train costs 5 times as much as a truck in terms of fuel, it can haul 100 trucks for 20 times better fuel efficiency (help me here, my math is sketchy at best, but the point should still be clear) -- a train will haul way more goods for way less fuel than it would take to truck the goods one vehicle at a time. "

anonymous wrote on Nov 25, 2008 12:21 PM:

" Have you ever noticed that the truly ignorant question the validity of others comments when they know their own arguments are weak and without merit?

State Roads are for transportation around the state, not in just some little huckleberry filled village. If you dont like it, move off the state route. "

born-in-bklyn wrote on Nov 25, 2008 12:04 PM:

" NYC also has laws on the book for no trucks to pass through certain streets. There are small, narrow, historic districts, where no trucks are allowed to pass through. Of course, there are alternate routes. And, of course, the trucks will deliver, they are just not allowed to pass through. So, not really a question of merchants not getting their goods, just that the truckers are using Rte 5 to pass through. Therein lies the problem. And it is a law, so Vinnie needs to step back! "

nature lover wrote on Nov 25, 2008 11:30 AM:

" anonymous: you huckleberry!! pretentious this!! honestly do u ever have a valid (iq above 32) comment?

cm, I was not complaining about unions per se rather I was trying to inform u and others of the backdoor dealings that went on illustrating how the teamsters virtually bought out the rail unions. Bringing Obama into your post is completely off. If u use your citizen search box above and plug in "truck", u will c the various articles and corresponding comments relevent to people that ACTUALLY live in the Fingerlakes on a daily basis. Also the local TV stations have websites where u could view Vinnie in action. Naming a few streets that come to mind d/n provide me with valid debate material. And as far as your area situation going on with CSX? CSX rules in Florida so they will stretch out the talks as long as they want and eventually win. Up here CSX is 2ndary to trucks. As far as your comment: "constant noise it will create.
along with more trees and wildlife gone", again u r WRONG!! The northeast was built with railroads after the erie canal was filled in. The existing rail lines will not disrupt any so called wildlife and around here when u look at property, the rail lines are pretty much conspicuous for example lake property u will either have to drive or step over the tracks. Hasnt slowed the lake property RE rates AT ALL!!! "

cm wrote on Nov 25, 2008 10:31 AM:

" We had a vote 2yrs ago here for a RAIL system combination deliveris and passenger from Tampa to Orlando.
IT PASSED.
however, the costs are enormous, which after the law passed he state officials tried to unpass it--but were voted against again..

Joint ventures with CSX-rail company--is also at a standstill over the amount of monies to lease their space, and who pays for upgrades, and future repairs?

same ideals, many home owners do not want the construction for the upgrades to the long lost rails from times ago, Nor do they want added trains going by to service passengers, adding the constant noise it will create.
along with more trees and wildlife gone..

personally I would use the system frequently as I have season passes to Sea World and dislike driving back after a long on your feet day!
the last year when we went, we got a hotel for the weekend. But thats not afforable to do all the time.

on the flip side--easier travel also brings more crime..
just ask those that live in San Diego to ElCajon, to Santee..
small little Santee's crime rose up fast!

like I stated earlier officials cannot please everyone.. "

karl again... wrote on Nov 25, 2008 10:18 AM:

" Here's a suggestion--the good people of Skaneateles should give the local farmers some business and buy up al the tomatoes they can and just paint each and every one of those protesting truck tomato-red! "

cm wrote on Nov 25, 2008 10:11 AM:

" I am not saying a semi should be on Garrow St/Pulaski St. or those similar.

on one side of the street there are people who want energy efficency,their small towns environmentally safe!
on the other side of the street there are people who want development, more industrial and JOBS.
for years and years this has been a huge debate..and it will still for many years to come..
AGAIN --no city official can please all.
so who wins and who loses???
Again each person has the right to live in peace..trucks or trains?
Again everyone has the right to MOVE..sadly most of us dont want that either.

PS...I am surprised Nature you are complaining of UNIONS when Obama has planned 23 million UNION jobs by 2011.. "

cm wrote on Nov 25, 2008 10:00 AM:

" I doubt a 100 car train going thru town in the middle of the night would be quieter?

how many homeowners WANT a train system coming near their property line?

BREW: I was being sarcastic...
but in real life most of the destinations are NEVER right near the local interstate.

IF the truckers are trying to flee weigh stations then local police should be more alert..

there will never be 100% happiness for truckers or trains when it comes to people and animals!
the best they all can do is compromise! "

nature lover wrote on Nov 25, 2008 9:53 AM:

" I am sorry cm (and all other trash truck hauling sympatizers), but the truck issue in these beautiful and precious Fingerlakes area goes MUCH deeper than your simplistic line "truckers deliver". The teamsters have virtually bought out their competition of rail companies by rallying hard for certain rail crafts and won!! We are a teamsters union family via rail but feel that that union has grown to limits that may be impossible to control in the future judging by how they are being represented now in our small area. Vinnie, the thug aka the protest organizer, says he will "call off" the convoy (deadline is 2:30 today!) IF officials break the law and dont enforce the DOT regulations of listed roads ban. Plus and this one really gets me - the "overzealous truck enforcement". Funded by NYS, towns and even Auburn has a truck task force that pulls these truckers over and takes a peek at their safety. Fines for some have exceeded 4k at times and begs the question, do u want that truck(er) on the road? Truckers being mute and allowing themselves to be represented by this threatening individual makes it sound like "them against us" and they, the truckers as a whole, will "punish" us small town hicks if we dont comply with their demands aka law breaking! Perhaps this type of downstate mentality flies there but I truly beleive we are far more educated than that. This will come to a head and the truckers will be on the short end because Patterson has taken issue. Local truckers and valid truckers with goods s/h sided with the population when Seneca Meadows became an issue because trucks werent even noticed b4 that. All ANYone has complained about is the TRASH haulers running downstate trash thru our small streets. ALL truckers suffer now because of the bad deeds of one group, trashers, has been overlaid on the entire industry. Just because its "not on my street/community" doesnt mean that this isnt YOUR problem also!!! "

anonymous wrote on Nov 25, 2008 9:34 AM:

" You Are right. Those side roads are not designed for Truck Traffic. State Routes are though, and to deny trucks the right to use State Routes sort of defeats the purpose of having State Roads.

If the pretentious want to take up a collection and buy the roads for their little town, I am all for it. it could probably eliminate the budget deficit, as land is "valuable" in the land of pretentiousness. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 25, 2008 8:22 AM:

" As Brew says, some roads are not designed for heavy truck traffic. Trucks are and should continue to be banned from those roads except for local deliveries. Heavy truck traffic is and should continue to be restricted to the roads which were designed to carry such traffic.

It's the law, and it needs to be enforced for all kinds of good reasons. Period. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 25, 2008 8:20 AM:

" Personally, I'd like to see speeding tickets double in price for every SUV, mini-van, truck, van, jeep or Hummer I see whizzing up the steep hill north on 13 out of Ithaca, to make up for the obscene amount of gas they waste just to get up the hill a little faster while risking everyone's lives and property. Nope, no sympathy. If the drivers of those big vehicles didn't get this weird mental state where they think they are invulnerable in their big tanks, we ALL would be safer on the roads. "

movedsouth wrote on Nov 25, 2008 7:51 AM:

" There will always be a demand for big engines, I don't want to see that go away. I think the big 3 can cut down on the number of models. I have owned over a dozen new and used cars and only ONE was a 4 cylinder. That was foreign and only had that 1 year. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Nov 25, 2008 4:32 AM:

" We should be shipping across country via RAIL, not truck. It's more efficient, it's more FUEL efficient and if we reinvested in the rail infrastructure, it would also be safer with fewer half-asleep truckers on the same roads with the rest of us.

Then you use smaller trucks locally to get the goods from the rail depots to the stores and homes. No need for them to run in the middle of the night. No need for gas-wasting cross-country treks. Much less need for huge gas-guzzling trucks. And all those truckers such a plan would put out of work can get jobs on the railroad.

Regardless, even as things stand, there is no need to send those trucks down country roads and through small towns. The big interstates were designed and built for heavy truck traffic -- the roads through our small towns and countryside WERE NOT.

Truckers threaten (in fact, they seem to spend a lot of time behaving like bullies and spewing threats) that if they can't keep messing up our smaller roads, they'll charge more and the prices of everything will go up. Well, kids, we are already paying more for those goods in terms of road repair fees to roads not designed for heavy truck traffic. We pay more in loss of sleep as they wake us in the night rumbling through. We pay in loss of pets as they speed past our homes, and we risk injury to our children and property as well. And we risk our lakes and fields as garbage trucks and trucks carrying toxic crud pass through with always the danger of a roll-over and spill.

Keep them on the interstates where they belong. That way only people who choose to buy the products pay, instead of everyone.

And let the downstaters who produce all that waste figure out what to do with it in their OWN backyards. We have enough of our own. "

brew1234 wrote on Nov 25, 2008 12:07 AM:

" CM I don't beleive you are that stupid but you are trying to prove it. Of course a long haul shipment has to unload somewhere. It gets off the nearest exit of the interstate to it's destination and goes to the unloading destination. The government wants to ban the drivers that run the back roads to avoid tolls or weigh stations or state police safety patrols. The interstates are built to handle the large rigs but local roads are not intended for that type of traffic. It is common sense and you seem to lack that. Again what is so complicated? This is an example of where the politicians have to stop explaining and just enforce the law and forget trying to talk common sense to those whose brains have no common sense. "

cm wrote on Nov 24, 2008 11:20 PM:

" Brew: dont long haul deliveries have to get off the interstate to deliver?

Is it their fault small towns waste their infrastructure monies on stupid surveys?

should we have smaller trucks waiting at the exit ramps? this way the larger ones can unload right there and the small trucks can continue on with the deliveries??? "

cm wrote on Nov 24, 2008 11:09 PM:

" hey JLM, long time no hear!
welcome back to the jungle! lol... "

cm wrote on Nov 24, 2008 11:06 PM:

" Obama's not even in office yet, and his words of taxing the rich maybe nothing more than a good campaign speech!


http://news.aol.com/story/_a/
obamas-tax-hike-for-the-rich-may-be/n20081124193009990009 "

brew1234 wrote on Nov 24, 2008 10:58 PM:

" Nobody is considering banning local deliveries. Long haul deliveries should go on the interstates only! What is so complicated that anyone can,t wrap their mind around this concept? It is so simple an idea I can't see where people have trouble accepting it. "

jlmorgansr wrote on Nov 24, 2008 10:57 PM:

" Amen CM "

cm wrote on Nov 24, 2008 10:47 PM:

" i have seen many of the 'bubble cars/electric' in my area..
trust me when I say I will NEVER buy one!

I dont think there would be anything left of a person should they be in an accident in one of those cars!

I cannot see how they could have passed any kind of safety standards!

we will continue to let the fools believe their hybrids are getting better gas mileage BUT overall the truth is VERY little is saved!

and if you do save pennies on gas, wont your electric bill go up at recharging times???? "

cm wrote on Nov 24, 2008 10:20 PM:

" I dont suppose anyone shops at Wegmans, Tops, or PC for their groceries, and if so do you think the fairy waves her wand everynight to bring stock to them?

my guess is truckers deliver..

I would also bet the Skaneateles people shop those places too.. "

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