" well here we are some more real smart folks chew on this truckers pay more in taxes than you! fact they pay 12,000 to
25,000 just in heavy highway use tax per
vehicle then 550 dollars for hut tax and
then ifta tax fed dollars the ifta then
they pay pump tax at pump then personal income and property tax school tax are you nuts no one has any right to tell them where to drive they pay as an industry more than half the money ny spends on roads and bridges.
Then this is how smart yall are take the other roads and now feds say you can't take 20 away so all the trucks will be in center of town all the time
smart move!yeah real smart do you have any clue what you would do without trucks? yeah they stick together hual garbage haul lumber it's all the same it pays the bills. They are just trying to make a living, then this stupid hazzardous chemicals comment you are so
uneducated about the trash thing you just open your mouth and ooops munnicipal solid waste is non HAZZARDOUS
household garbage you know the same crap you throw out then send threw someone elses town but thats ok right?
fmsca says municipal solid waste, this is not radioactive isotopes you brainy
smart people. If a whole load of garbage dumped in that lake it would do little more than well say the equivilent to a cup of koolaid on the kitchen floor wow your dumb! "

" Good points, nature and brew, and I see we have yet another person trying to divert attention from this issue by bringing up a different subject. Hey, I agree that there are pieces of farm equipment which shouldn't be on the roads! But that's got nothing to do with heavy truck traffic, which is the topic at hand here. Not falling for that one either.

The attitude exhibited by gman is the perfect example of the Ugly American in his own home country, and it's one reason why so many people don't have all that much sympathy for truckers.

Just remember, for the 900th time, since it never seems to sink in -- no one is complaining about local trucking bringing goods from centralized delivery points to stores and homes. The problem is with heavy truck traffic on roads not designed to carry such traffic and particularly when they are hauling downstate trash to Seneca Meadows.

Since we are such fools to have allowed the downstaters to dump THEIR waste in OUR backyard, maybe we could at least put in a rail line so we don't have all the trucks on our small town and rural roads which are not equipped to handle them. "

" Put together a police task force for a show of strength against the protest. Ticket every lawbreaking trucker and the fines will pay for OT. If they obstruct traffic ticket them or jail them. Causing a potentially hazardous situation is not a valid form of protest. "

" I love it. Looks like we got us a convoy. Next thing you know the Skan-elites will want to ban minorities from their little town. I know they are not real fans of country bumpkins like me from the outskirts. I was here long before some of the Jersey boys. "

" Sigh !;& head shake...its tiring to get thru the hard heads of ones that just want to hear the "brief" version of issues. B4 Seneca Meadows, trucks werent even an issue. No one cared. But along came the high stakes cash game of hauling trash and because its trash, any thing goes. Goods hauling truckers should have sensed these good for nothing rummys were gonna make trouble. When people chose to live in communities ALL around this beautiful area the reality that Rockwells vision was now an interstate. Trucks dont need to make shortcuts and to threaten with higher prices, we are there bub. Rules are rules and just because trash haulers arent running down your once residential street doesnt mean it should be out of site out of mind. And no, jssk61806 I had no comment on your invalid, completely moronic statement regarding "other vehicles". U r being argumentative just to be a cad with zero basis. "

" since everyone wants to pick on trucks, why don't they pick on farmers to stay off the roads with their equipment.They do more damage to the roads then trucks. What about the chemicals they use on fields? The chemicals and manure they use go into the lakes and streams more often than a truck spilling some trash in or near a lake or stream.THE SAYING GOES WITHOUT TRUCKS YOU WILL BE HOMELESS,HUNGRY AND NAKED! "

" We aren't currently discussing other vehicles, we are currently discussing heavy truck traffic. That's just a diversion to take the focus away from THIS discussion. I am not falling for it. Again, it's irrelevant to this discussion.

Steve, if you read what I wrote, I said NO ONE IS COMPLAINING ABOUT LOCAL TRUCK TRAFFIC. We know there are local trucks delivering goods locally -- and we'd like to support MORE of that. That's our point exactly. It does nothing to change the fact that heavy non-local truck traffic is a serious problem. "

" "Rollovers".... probably only dumped enough in the lake / river to clean up in one sweep. Give me a break. No come-back about the "other vehicles" that I mentioned ??? Hmmph...'truth'. "

" interesting line:

"NONE of what they haul, is getting into our lakes or streams! It's contained INSIDE the trucks!"

I take it u arent aware of the roll overs...only a couple made the actual news and the trash that WAS contained inside, is now OUTSIDE!! Its a simple concept to grasp.

Stevedallas u always post like u want to kiss a truckers keyster. Do u have ANY relevent details besides your one line come backs? If u read regularly u would know its the ENTIRE lakes area and its the NYC truckers hauling trash. If u know "truckers" u should tell them how ignorant they were to go against the population and actually side with the trash haulers as comrades. If they had sided w/us perhaps restrictions would have been implied on the actual wrong doers. Besides Steve-o were u aware of the police task force that pulls trucks over? The fines generated from the violations are very high. So what do u have to say in favor of that subject? "

" " --We have to pay in terms of risk to natural environments, especially from garbage trucks and hazardous waste disposal vehicles hauling their dangerous loads alongside our lakes and streams."

Really?? Okay..NONE of what they haul, is getting into our lakes or streams! It's contained INSIDE the trucks! And..everybody's screaming about the damage to the roads, 'because' of the trucks...do you all forget, that there are other vehicles that also travel those roads? (ie: SUV's, cars, pick-ups, 10-wheelers, 8 wheelers..etc) Those, in addition, tear up the roads also...are you going to kick THEM off the roads as well ?? Sometimes people surprise me by the amount, and reason, that they conjure up to complain about. These truckers, are working for YOU, delivering goods FOR you...lets not forget 'that' ! .... Amazing. "

" Most of the truckers that deliver there are LOCAL (live in the area) Railway or not you still need truckers! Should I stay off 81 and 90 because they were built for trucker? lol ! "

" Thanks, nature -- I remembered that someone who wrote in regularly either worked for the railroad or had a family member who worked for the railroad and we had discussed it before -- but I couldn't remember who it was. Thanks for the more detailed info on the new relationship of the Teamsters with some positions within the railroad industry. I was referring to the initial decline of rail transport and the influence of the Teamsters on that shift. It's not an area I know well and appreciate the interjection of your superior expertise. ;-) "

" No, Steve -- get the RAILROADS to carry the goods to those drop-off points, and hire LOCAL TRUCKERS to move them from the drop-off points to stores and homes. "

" The OPINION that people in Skaneatles are snobs, whether partially true for some of them or not, is IRRELEVANT.

The heavy truck traffic through small towns and rural areas all over this region is a serious problem for lots of non-snobby simple working class people as well as the fancy folks you are dissing. The crack is utterly irrelevant. "

" Hey Truckers, Drop all deliveries on the town line and let them snobs figure out what to do next! "

" It's simple.

Skaneateles = Snobs "

" Last year on my street, which is part of Rt. 38, after night fell, a truck was going down the street, and actually RAN OVER 2 parked cars, and demolished them both!! Just think if there were people in them. And this happened in the name of taking a short cut. I say get that law into effect, the sooner the better. "

" The state trying to keep trucks off of New York State Routes (i.e. route 41 and 41A) is absurd. The taxes collected from those same trucks pay for the creation, upkeep and maintenance of those same roads.

Additionally as someone who has traveled from Auburn to Cortland a fair number of times, the truck traffic on 41A or 41 was never prohibitive to driving. Yes there were usually trucks and Yes they were driving safely.

The governor didn't really get it when they did this in Albany according to the article - but some other law makers sure were responsive. It also made press all over including the Sirius Channel 147 "

" Nice level headed response FG..I really wanted to word my post as if I was a trucker myself!! Obnoxious, exactly! Also look at the citizens view they have posted today, siding with us. One thing I wanted to make u aware of, is that some of the crafts in the railroad enterprise are actually members of the Teamsters now! I have stated b4 CSX is half the income in this house and my spouse has been in 3 different unions while not changing positions. The Teamsters rallied hard to get some of the railroad unions and won. We all have a theory why this took place and one idea is because it takes one trucker per truck to haul as compared to a small crew for an entire train length which would eliminate 100's of trucks off the road. So basically putting the rail industry in the back pocket of the teamsters enables the high paid union leaders to continue to collect the exorbitant union payroll deducted monthly from individual truck drivers keeping the rails at bay. It was a poor move on the rail industry to agree to the teamsters. "

" What a great way to get people to sympathize with your cause -- NOT! What a bunch of idiots. Truck traffic is precisely what the people DON'T want in town, so this action just reinforces our beef with trucks and makes even more people p*ssed off about the bully tactics -- they will make more enemies than friends with this dumb and obnoxious move.

brew is 100% right -- ship by rail. Trucks should be used for local hauling ONLY. It is so much more fuel efficient and cost effective, and there isn't the wear and tear on the roads the rest of us use, nor the need to share the road with half-asleep truckers on a cross-country marathon.

Truckers always threaten to pass on the extra cost of staying on the highways which were made for truck traffic (and OFF THE ROADS WHICH WERE NOT!!! MADE FOR TRUCK TRAFFIC) to the consumers --

but WE ARE ALREAY PAYING:

--We have to keep paying to have our small town and rural roads repaired so much more frequently thanks to the damage done by heavy truck traffic.

--We have to pay in terms of risk to natural environments, especially from garbage trucks and hazardous waste disposal vehicles hauling their dangerous loads alongside our lakes and streams.

--We have to pay in terms of the risk to our children and our pets as trucks speed through our small towns and rural areas.

--We already pay in terms of how much more it costs to move goods across country in small tractor trailer loads compared to what you could haul in a long frieght train.

Ship by rail, and put those truckers to work on the railroad instead of the highway. Trucks for local deliveries only, reduce the need for gas-monster-sized trucks, return peace and quiet to the small towns and countryside and tell those bullies to stick it in their ears.

Don't let yourself be twisted up in the rhetoric either -- no one is complaining about local truck traffic. No one is complaining about smaller trucks which bring goods to stores and homes. We are complaining about big trucks, many traveling way too fast, and certainly way too many of these trucks, traveling over roads which were not designed for heavy truck traffic as they move goods interstate which would have been better shipped by rail.

Just think, maybe tanda could stay home with his family more if trucks were only used locally to get goods from the railroad stations to the end destination. But for now, hey, you chose the trucker profession, don't come crying because you have to give up so much family time to do the job.

Let's beef up the way-too-long neglected railroad infrastructure (thank you Teamsters, not) and get goods moving in a safer, cheaper, more environmentally friendly fashion, and keep truckers local where they don't have to give up all that family time -- and the rest of us don't have to contend with the mess they make of our roads.

Sure hope there are some solid shows of counter protest in Skaneatles against the in-your-face bully-boy tactics. "

" R u people MAD?!? U really think this trucker protest is going to help anything? SOOO quick to judge Skaneateles when it involves MANY. I live in Auburn on one of the routes truckers use as a short cut. Its the trash haulers that spoiled it all for everyone. Aurora, Watkins Glen etc etc are suffering with these truckers. I think there should be a HEAVY police presence to pull them over and rake in the fine cash that I am sure these so called protesters will have on their illegal trucks!!!!

And "friendly" trucker tanda32? thats a laugh as they are good at flipping u the bird as they barrel past your house loaded with trash stinking to high heaven...yup friendly thats the word I would use...NOT!!! "

" It's about time someone stood up for these truckers. I come from a whole line of truck drivers. If anyone took the time to figure out all these men and women do for us on a whole their ould be no more complaints from people. These people give up a lot of there family lifes and time to bring you the food you eat, the vehicals you drive, the machines that keep your water clean, the clothes you wear, ect. ect. ect. They also dispose of the waste you leave behind. If trucks shut down for a Month this country would be a mess. They also do all this for what figures out to be less than minimum wage if you count all the hours they are away from there homes and loved ones. Stop and think about them and there families the next time you are opening that bottle of water, eating that steak, or even changing your baby. All those products were brought to you by your friendly truck driver. The next time you see a truck rolling by you give them a smile a wave and a thankyou. "

" Dont the citizens of skaneateles realize 100 percent of what they own was shipped by some form of truck. As long as the trucks enter the town and depart asap, what is the problem. What if all trucks stopped making deliveries? There would be no merchandise for us at the stores. Come on people wake up. "

" How about having the garbage pick-up and food delivery trucks slow down too! Imagine piles of garbage on 5&20, and closed stores!!! "

" Hooray!!! Everyone is aloud to protest! Good for the Trucker!!!

Stop letting those pencil pushers push you around! "

" Show up with signs protesting these bullying tactics by the truckers. Ship by rail. Trucks stay on the interstates. "

" I don't blame the truckers. They pay a lot of taxes to drive on the highways. As in the ton mile taxes. Its ironic that they picked Skaneateles. My brother used to drive a tractor trailer in NY. He got out because out because the taxes are so "low" in NY state. A long with my other brother. One moved south the other west. As my brother that drove truck said. "I love driving through fancy smacey Skaneateles. I know they are ticked when I have to drive the truck through town" Trucks drive by my house on rt 5 & 20 all the time. Who cares "

" Go for it .. I just hate the pristine people who think they are just to good for trucks . I wish the truckers would NOT deliver to them ! "