" Along with here are the ratings that didn't show up, this didn't show up either. "O'Reilly and all the FNC primetime programs still dominate the total viewer numbers. Griffin should know, he helped start MSNBC and watched as FNC shot past CNN to #1 where it remains today. And he says Bill O'Reilly rightly gets a lot of the credit. "O'Reilly did it for Fox in 1999, and helped take it to where it is today." But, he adds, "It's clear now, it's a two-person race." "

" It finally happened. Olbermann's ratings in the 25 to 54 demographic beat O'Reilly's on Friday night. To make matters worse, this was the first Friday Bill-O had worked in quite awhile so he had no excuses. Here are the Friday 9/7 ratings from TVNewser. O'Reilly carried on with his plans probably wondering if Olbermann would announce the embarrassing news on Countdown which of course he did.--SEPT 10th, movedsouth. "

" I early voted. I voted for McCain, if he raises my taxes, I don't care because it's my "patriotic duty." George is giving me a 5.8% raise this coming year, so that should help. After voting, I asked where ACORN was so I could vote 2 or 3 more times. I was told to check the parking lot. I didn't check it out. "

" WOW karl you actually found something from June 10 to prove a point. OLD NEWS "

" "Mr. Olbermann, the host of “Countdown” on MSNBC, cancelled his vacation plans for this week when it appeared likely that his program, which debuted five years ago as a distant also-ran to its counterparts on Fox News Channel and CNN, may beat Fox in the 25- to 54-year-old demographic for a full week for the first time.

And sure enough, “Countdown” did displace “The O’Reilly Factor,” hosted by Mr. Olbermann’s arch-nemesis Bill O’Reilly, last week in that demographic.

It was an admittedly unusual week, fueled by the final Democratic primaries. Excluding Tuesday’s primary coverage, “Countdown” netted 477,000 viewers in the demographic, while the “Factor” averaged 472,000. The “Countdown” ratings helped MSNBC best Fox in the demo in prime time for the week."
From the New York Times, movedsouth. "

" Nielsen ratings show O'Reilly up on Olberman thru 10/9 "

" Major Garrett from Fox news is with the Obama campaign and hasn't been thrown off the plane. If the situation were reversed, you bet it would be an issue with liberals. They had to make room for black magazine writers. "

" Does anyone think that McSames bus or plane has any liberal reporters riding along? Why is any news reporting of liberal views biased, but right wing views are unbiased? And O'Really is number 2 in many ways. Keith is his daddy now in first place. "

" "The wild rides of the campaign for president and the economic turmoil boosted Fox News Channel's prime-time block to fourth among all cable channels for the third quarter, extending its streak as the highest-rated cable news network to 27 consecutive quarters. According to data from Nielsen Media Research, FNC averaged 2.2 million total viewers in the 8-11 p.m. daypart for the just-concluded quarter.

CNN ranked ninth among all cable channels for the quarter with an average 1.3 million viewers, its biggest quarter since the Iraq war began in early 2003. MSNBC was 23rd with 867,000 total viewers and also posted the biggest year-to-year quarterly growth spurts: 81% in prime time and 48% for total-day.

For total-day, Fox averaged 1.1 million viewers to rank sixth among all cable channels, while CNN ranked 11th with an average 713,000 viewers. MSNBC averaged 472,000 viewers and ranked 27th." HUFFINGTON POST "

" "Talking Points Memo (or TPM) is a liberal web-based political journalism organization created and run by Josh Marshall. It debuted on November 12, 2000. It covers a wide range of topics including U.S. foreign policy, domestic politics (especially at the federal level) and domestic policy" "

" movedsouth, I don't care WHAT partisan press release you read off to me to attempt to "prove" anything about Fauz News--your link there to RM's interview just proved it, that he wanted an ideological alternative to the Truth of the more liberal crowd.
movedsouth, you're obviously in over your head here, in all seriousness. Look, the Neoconservatives use falsehoods to promote policy; it;s the way that they govern, It is a stated principle of their ideological mentor, Leo Strauss. That is beyond debate, ok? It would stand to reason that they would need a propaganda outlet with which to disseminate said propaganda, do Murdoch--a die-hard loyal Republiscum--started Faux News.
Bill O'Really? has been caught by Kieth Olberman blatantly making up fake studies, organizations, and references to try to support his agenda and talking points. And the fact that the Bush administration considered Faux News to be it's #1 favorite station speaks volumes. Liars need Liars to spread their lies.
By the way--Keith Olberman just reported that his show and MSNBC has beat O'Really? more than half of the last two weeks' viewers. Just google "Olberman ratings beat O'Reilly's"--go ahead; I dare ya! "

" karl again, http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1543931,00.html "

" karl again, that's right , if your paper doesn't support me, get off the plane. You don't want fair reporting, you want favorable reporting even if it's false. "Fox News was started in 1996 by Murdoch and Roger Ailes. The two of them perceived a need for a news organization that offered more balanced reporting, one where the facts from all sides would be presented. Main-stream media "Political Correctness" was banished, with the news anchors calling terrorists what they were, (terrorists), instead of referring to them as "militants." As of February, 2007, polls show that over 20% of Americans say their main source of news is the Fox News Channel." Fox news has had an equal amount of unfavorable stories about BOTH Obama and McCain. NO other station has treated both candidates fairly! It's hard to dispute fact, you just do what you do best BASH. "Fox News has dominated the ratings of other cable news outlets.[1] Launched by media tycoon Rupert Murdoch and former political consultant Roger Ailes as a refuge for viewers fed up with real or perceived liberal bias everywhere in the so-called "mainstream media", Fox is the undisputed ratings champion of cable news. It's been trouncing CNN, MSNBC and CNBC for years, and it quite often draws a much larger audience share than all competitors, combined" I know this is difficult for you as you can only process one view of an issue. As the election will show the more favorable candidate, the ratings show the more favorable news station. McCain stood up and told his supporters not to berate Obama, Obama wasn't man enough to condemn the hanging in effigy of Palin. I would like to see what would happen if it was of Obama. "

" movedsouth, I hope Obama literally THREW those idiots out of his plane over the Atlantic! LOL! Any idiot who supports McInsane and his Caribou Barbie at this point deserves a good dunking!
Also, I believe that there is a DIRECT CORRELATION between the primacy of FOX News in the ratings, and the state of the country today! A DIRECT LINE!!!!
Honestly, ms--for crying out loud, Faux News was started to deliberately skew news--that came from the founder himself, Rupert Murdoch. Really!
Isn't it seriously SAD that Americans have become do divided and polarized by scumbags like O'Reallly (?), Hannity, and the rest of the little puppets on that network that the hatred and racism that they spew has such appeal to such a large number of Americans?
That's the fruit of the Republican administrations thus far to America.
And that's S-A-D. "

" NEWSPAPERS DO back candidates ALONG with the opinion section. Obama kicked 3 reporters off his plane because their newspapers backed McCain. If you don't support me, GET OFF MY PLANE! "

" The Editorial or opinion sections of newspapers back whichever candidate. It is OPINION ,not factual reporting. We all have opinions, some just hurt our ears. "

" Movedsouth, our only hope is to keep the sickness of Liberalism confined to the great states of New York and California. They are both a shining examples of the failures of entitlement programs. "

" FOX NEWS PRESENTS BOTH LIBERAL AND CONSERVATIVE SIDES TO ISSUES, NO OTHER NEWS STATION GIVES EQUAL TIME. "Fox News Channel Leads in 2007 Cable News Ratings
MSNBC, CNBC, CNN Headline News Experience Growth
By Marisa Guthrie -- Broadcasting & Cable, 1/4/2008 5:11:00 PM

Fox News Channel once again ended the year as cable’s top news network, followed by CNN, with few radical ratings dips or surges for either network. But among the channels with smaller audience totals -- MSNBC, CNBC and CNN Headline News -- 2007 was a year of growth.

For the year in primetime, Fox News was the No. 6-ranked cable channel behind USA Network, TNT, ESPN, TBS and Lifetime Television. That’s two notches higher than its ranking last year. CNN, its closest news competitor, was No. 26, down one.

Fox News was down 1% in total viewers in total day and 3% in the 25-54 demographic, but it still boasted most of the top-rated shows on cable news led by The O’Reilly Factor, which has been No. 1 in its 8 p.m. time slot for 85 consecutive months." "

" The media is suppose to be unbaised. Starting with the NY Times that use to be respected. Then the many others that have followed suit. Are nothing but liberal torch carriers for the wacky left. Its something a liberal will never understand "

" "Oh and uh,...a word of advice, Tim--sometimes what seems to people to be "unbiased" is just the Truth about a certain political group and the uncomfortable Truth about them that one does not want to hear. The media is backing Obama because America is backing Obama. "

Karl, where is the truth in that?? "

" "What ever happened to unbiased news reporting?"
Rupert Murdoch and FOX News came along and forever skewed the face of Truth in Journalism, Tim. A network concocted entirely to simply "spin" the news and provide something more akin to propaganda than fact.
Does that answer your question?
"...once you blow your trust with people - it's a long, hard road to get it back"
You said it there, buddy.
Oh and uh,...a word of advice, Tim--sometimes what seems to people to be "unbiased" is just the Truth about a certain political group and the uncomfortable Truth about them that one does not want to hear. The media is backing Obama because America is backing Obama. "