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Wednesday, October 1, 2008 4:14 PM EDT

For months we have been gazing at an ugly up and down hedge on the NYSEG property --- corner of Swift and Throop --- and now the city workers have left an even uglier tree stump right next to the hedge. Is it something we in the neighborhood have done to deserve punishment like this?
When did turn-only lanes become turn-into lanes and merge and when did they become passing lanes? Where did everyone else but me learn to drive?

Is it not a state law that drivers have to stop for a pedestrian if they are in a cross walk? The neon green/yellow signs on East Genesee Street do not seem to be attracting too much attention from drivers as I cross every day and people are not recognizing the crosswalk.

I think I speak on behalf of the citizens of Auburn and surrounding communities when I say that the family of Sgt. Jerome Bell is in our thoughts and prayers at this most difficult time. He has made the ultimate sacrifice a soldier can make, and we as Americans should pay tribute to this hero without reservation.




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movedsouth wrote on Oct 4, 2008 8:01 AM:

" karl again, sorry, I thought you followed Indycar. Helio Castroneves and his income evasion and fraud. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Oct 4, 2008 7:47 AM:

" "new first-stop economic development agency" -- got me on that one. I have no clue either. Some new pork-barrel pipe-dream for the tax-payers to fund which sounds fancy and means nothing, maybe? "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Oct 4, 2008 7:46 AM:

" In high school, I had a debate class. I wasn't very tuned in to my education yet, so I didn't do very well in the course, but I did learn a few things.

If the national debates were run the way we had debates run, they might actually be useful to the voters. There were strict rules about how things were run -- who spoke when and for how long being only a couple. There was one issue and the debaters had to stick to their position on that one issue. You had so many minutes to put forward your view. Then your opponent had so many minutes to put forward his opposing view. Then you each had so many minutes for rebuttals. Etc. Points were given for how well you made your case -- based on FACTS and LOGIC, as well as smooth presentation.

These so-called political "debates" are indeed a lot of rubbish, grand-standing, sniping and a lot of bull. I'd love to see the candidates forced to stick to a formal format with no nonsense -- debate a critical issue the way we had to do in school. I wonder if they could even do it. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Oct 4, 2008 7:42 AM:

" Helio is not a what but a who: Helio Castroneves -- he's some kind of race car driver. "

brew1234 wrote on Oct 4, 2008 12:37 AM:

" The thing I like about Joe Biden is that he is the least wealthy senator in the country. That alone is his best qualifier to hold office. "

cm wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:05 PM:

" I was at the doctors this AM-waiting to get happy meds shot into my back-
while in the waiting room-TV on-again I was amazed at the media
Palins hair do?!
how many times Biden touched his face?
(which is a form of telling lies)
Palins dress?!

ISSUES ISSUES!?????
several of us in the room all commented on this---
people actually got paid to count how many times Biden touched his face, and Palin blinked?!

I am so glad we NEED to know this stuff,
NOT!!!! "

cm wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:52 PM:

" todays poll:
what does a "new first-stop economic development agency" DO? "

karl again... wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:25 PM:

" movedsouth, what the heck is "helio"?
The phone company? "

Dicondito wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:51 PM:

" Check out National Review online for a non-comprehensive list of Joe Biden gaffes in the VP debate, all the way from ignorance of the Constitution to being about 2000% off on Afghanistan spending to references to non-existent restaurants. The man is a total dufus -has spent his entire adult life in the Senate. Better he should have been raised by wolves. "

movedsouth wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:23 PM:

" karl again, open wheel man, what do you think of Helio? "

karl again... wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:11 PM:

" dd, are you serious?
Man--I thought I was cynical! LOL!
I thought Biden knew his stuff completely! "

dd wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:24 PM:

" The dems thought biden won, the Republicans thought Palin won. Neither shed light on anything of substance. There were only accusations, and rebuttals of accusations. Debates do nothing but give the candidates an opportunity to spew untruths at each other. I say-let a moderator ask questions, and let them answer in separate areas where the other cannot hear the answers. Or-------let them sit in a room without a moderator, and have a real conversation---they were both fake as hell last night. What a bunch of crap--I am so disappointed in the system at this point........... "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Oct 3, 2008 5:06 PM:

" How's this, and let's see if they post it: I noticed that in the article about "suspicious fires" the fires in question were repeatedly referred to as "Dumpster fires," as if "Dumpster" were a proper noun. I also noticed that the byline said Associated Press. So, I wrote in to draw attention to the fact that "dumpster" is not capitalized and that I found it rather hard to believe that the AP was carrying a story about fires in bins for trash in Auburn.

The article now says "trash bin fires" and the byline says Citizen Staff Report.

What's most curious is that if you search on "suspicious fires" you will find only ONE version of this story -- the corrected version. We have been told when we've asked before about comments getting wiped out every time they make a correction to an article that the system creates a new version. If you search, you can find all the versions, even though only the most up-to-date one is linked from the top page.

Not this time. If you search, you will find only the corrected version. If anyone else made comments, they are now completely swept under the rug.

On top of spending the past 65 minutes on several phone calls to Verizon about my bill, and having their website continue to scr*w up so I can't take care of the problem that way either, I am in a fairly foul mood. "

AJ wrote on Oct 3, 2008 4:12 PM:

" You need to watch these videos.

One lawmaker hints that martial law was threatened if the bill was not passed.

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/36581

Another video overlays campaign contributions by the banks /financial institutions to candidates during speeches by the candidates.

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/36579

Yep, Palast was right, we have the best democracy money can buy. "

nature lover wrote on Oct 3, 2008 3:32 PM:

" FG, U betcha ;) "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Oct 3, 2008 2:19 PM:

" I see the House has passed the bail-out. "

13579 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 1:35 PM:

" I usually turn in at 9:00, but I stayed to watch the V.P. debate which was over by 10:30 thank God. My opinion was Biden won, while Palin answered what she wanted to, mentioning John McCain more than she needed to. Bidemn was a candidate for President once, but dropped out when he knew he din't stand a chance. "

karl again... wrote on Oct 3, 2008 1:14 PM:

" How about Palin wanting to expand the powers of the Vice Presidency?!?
As if Ol'Scowl hasn't already bloated that power of that office like the pig that he is?
THAT was scary to me!
Kudo's to Biden for properly calling Cheney "the most dangerous vice president we’ve had probably in American history."
And the most CRIMINAL. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Oct 3, 2008 12:20 PM:

" I took my kid to the airport in the early morning hours, so I did not even try to go over to Farmer Guy's to watch TV (I was asleep before 7 PM anyway) But Farmer Guy's impression was that Palin made no mistakes, but if she had a question she didn't want to answer, she just talked about something else and never answered it -- slick and evasive = smoothly untrustworthy to me.

I don't think I could have listened to the whole thing anyway, because it takes about 30 seconds of Palin's whiny nasal voice before I am crawling the walls WORSE than if someone drew nails across a chalkboard. Ye gods, I hope we don't get stuck having to listen to THAT for the next 4 years, esp. not when you look into the content of what she says, which is every bit as scary as what her running mate says. The war is a mission from God?!??? Brrrrr! "

budobrubbie wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:50 AM:

" Well, if the conservatives were trying to find a candidate even less informed on national and world affairs than Georege W. Bush, they sure found one. Palin is personable enough, but her answers lacked substance. She's the least-qualified candidate since Adm. James Stockdale. "

AJ wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:52 AM:

" From what I heard, I wish NONE OF THEM were on ANY ticket!!!!!!! SAME OLD CRAP OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

I do not think it is going to make a huge difference which of these shysters gets elected. Though OsameA/Biden are the lesser of the 4 evils, it isn't by much. "

nature lover wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:43 AM:

" Wow on that nasty OReilly dude being completely an ogre to Barney Frank! Saw a snippet on news this am. Why does this a-hole have a show when he is a badger out for blood only? Who would watch that crap?

Palin makes me absolutely want to backhand her! Folksy indeed, more like nails on chalkboard. Loved the deabte in teh very beginning and her robotic responses from being crammed coached for days! Biden is a decent dude. "

cm wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:28 AM:

" FG: 4:32 AM post...
You are so right!! most pay no attention to the hidden/small print!
But gripe about taxes or why this happened after the fact!

Karl: Biden did a good job from what I saw, I didnt see the first hour YET!
Yes, he was better than Obama!
Palin was awesome too.
YOU can call it rehearsed but its no different than Obamas 'days of practice prior to his debate' and his TelePrompTer.

I really didnt think the questions overall helped us learn more about her.
Or Biden either.
We all know they have families, we all know the have military children,etc.
the questions leaned more to an Obama vs McCain debate with Palin and Biden doing their talking!
How many times did Biden mention the word GOD?

anyway, from what I saw I wish Biden and Palin were the ticket! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Oct 3, 2008 4:32 AM:

" They make bills that long so those voting on them can't read, reflect and remember all of it before voting -- it's the best way to get pork passed.

I remain among those Americans who are not convinced the bailout will help anything -- the economy stands a good chance of tanking either way, so let it ride on the backs of those financial execs who were allowed to put us in the pickle in the first place.

They are the ones who are sinking the ship -- Why should they get a life preserver when the rest of us don't?!?? "

brew1234 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 3:20 AM:

" You have to stop for a pedestrian even if they are not at a crosswalk. "

brew1234 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 3:18 AM:

" Massachusetts is a crazy driving state. When I go to NY traveling through Mass. I am one of the slowest on the road driving 10 miles over the limit on the Mass Pike. When I cross over to the NY Thruway I am one of the fastest drivers on the road. Many Mass troopers have said publicly that they rarely arrest anyone for speeding on the interstates unless they are traveling 30 miles over the limit. But tailgating or weaving back and forth in the lanes they will pull you over in a heartbeat. "

brew1234 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 2:55 AM:

" If they no longer have Driver's Ed in the local schools they should try tying in a program with a private driving school. The school will send the students to the private firm for driver's ed and you give them a discount rate for us sending them to you, and when they complete the course send the paperwork to the school and we will give them school credits as an elective course. It's not as good as a free course in school but it is better than none. The discount on their insurance should pay for the fee for the course. It also costs the school system nothing. Some schools let the students take the course on school time to replace a study hall. "

AJ wrote on Oct 2, 2008 11:22 PM:

" That's because it's a giveaway and not a bailout, CM.. "

karl again... wrote on Oct 2, 2008 11:20 PM:

" OK---post debate impression...Biden hit a home run right out of the park. I was absolutely, thoroughly impressed with Joe Biden tonight!
I wish Biden was the candidate for PRESIDENT!
Palin--cute as a button, yes; personable, yes; totally coached and evasive, MOST DEFINITELY YES!
I thought Biden just BURIED Palin, who seemed content to slaganeer and divert questions in the classic Republican manner.
Man, Biden just kept hammering home fact, figures, proposals--he had all of his ducks in a row and firing on all cylinders!
Hear that?
That's the sound of the last nail going in the McCain Campaign coffin!
Oh, and Pat Buchanan is completely insane, period "

cm wrote on Oct 2, 2008 9:57 PM:

" Mark; I stay within the 5 mile rule, depending on which state!
lol...
NEVER speed even ONE mile over in PA, GA, AZ, or in Waldo florida!!!
They are ticket happy!

I have never had a speeding ticket but the EX had enough to keep our insurance high for the past 3yrs!
I think the funniest one was CA to AZ trip, he got one on the way and on the way back home--within the same mile marker!!!
We know for sure where Yuma, AZ is! "

cm wrote on Oct 2, 2008 9:31 PM:

" I watched the first 5 mins of the debate, why are they asking Palin to explain McCains statements?
Shouldnt that be a McCain question at his next debate????
How will we know her if these bogus questions are about 'Mcain said'...
???????

finishing the mom night-time ritual-
the troop went to build-a-bear and ran later than planned....
not even my fault and I am an hour late!

DVR's are the greatest invention! "

cm wrote on Oct 2, 2008 9:26 PM:

" I think I heard them say the bill (bailout) was like 30 pages long and now its 400+?!!
WHY does stuff need to be added?
This is exactly why nothing gets done!

I can understand raising the FDIC insured amount, but what does ANY of the other additions have to do with the bailout????? "

horseradish wrote on Oct 2, 2008 8:17 PM:

" the worst drivers in the area are an old couple who live on rockefeller road. they drive 25-30 in a 40 and 40 in a 55. They are going to get someone killed. "

AJ wrote on Oct 2, 2008 6:08 PM:

" CVN, I don't know much about the McKinney story, and I am withholding judgement on this one. Sounds like a serious investigation may be warranted.
I am having a little bit of difficulty comprehending her logic on this though.

As far as her being unfit to be president - well, what can you say to someone who believes that, yet is crazy enough to believe that good ol' George is a great president?

You crack me up CVN. "

movedsouth wrote on Oct 2, 2008 2:57 PM:

" If this bill passes, atleast we will be able to buy more wooden arrows. They have added more crap to it. SAY NO TO BAILOUT!!!!!!! "

The taxpayer watchblog wrote on Oct 2, 2008 2:42 PM:

" Kudos to the Senate Bail-Outers

Yes, the senate resoundingly passed a bail-out package with more pork in it than a good old-fashioned Oscar-Meyer Weiner. Let’s all pat them on the back for preventing economic Armageddon. Or did they?
To that, the market reacts by tanking another 300 points.
Does is scare anyone else besides me, that our lawmakers might not know what in the world they are doing?
Picture this: Let’s take part of that $700 billion and built a big ship. Pack all the elected officials onto the decks and sail them down the Potomac River. When they have finally sailed out of sight, we start our government over again from scratch. Better still, don’t leave the lobbyists out. They can provide the muscle to row the ship out to sea. Whew, good riddance! "

mark wrote on Oct 2, 2008 2:37 PM:

" cm, I agree with you! I am laid back myself. The way I look at it is... If EVERYONE went the speed limit, no one would be tailing or making the person in front of you nervous and worried about what the person behind you is going to do next. You tail people, you get them nervous, that causes accidents. If someone was going 55, but the person behind them is going 65 (in a 55), the person in back catches up too quick. If he/she had gone 55, there would be none of that tailing and bullying the person in front to move faster! "

karl again... wrote on Oct 2, 2008 1:31 PM:

" BLD--short, sweet--love it! "

movedsouth wrote on Oct 2, 2008 12:47 PM:

" Now might be a good time to have "Congress" beer. Piels Real Draft "

cm wrote on Oct 2, 2008 12:36 PM:

" I will DVR the debate.
I still haven't watched last weeks! I had it on but I was busy doing the 'mom' thing--getting ready for the next day... But I caught the recaps online.
I hear Obama looked like a goof when looking for 'the name on the bracelet'
of all things to flub, something so minor yet so scrutinized by the general public--like the PIN..lol "

cm wrote on Oct 2, 2008 12:29 PM:

" When I lived in NY I thought they were the worst drivers,
when I lived in CA, I thought they were the worst,
then FL, for sure the worst.
But having traveled alot--every state has some HORRIBLE drivers!

our area is bad for red light runners and school zone speeders!
they added the little lights for the police to watch for, however keeping an officer in the location 24/7 was not practical.
So they added cameras,DOT says they cameras have aided in fines, however I will see no less than 10 red light runners in a given day.

once a week the school zone close by has several officers the other morning they had 6 vehicles pulled over!

WHERE is it that one must go in such a hurry? Maybe I am more laid back, I figure if I am already late, I AM LATE!

no point in speeding, if I get caught I will be even later waiting on my ticket (which I can't afford to get)

OR possibly kill/injure someone else and me!

ps...I am usually always late, in fact I have requested my older son to BE SURE I AM LATE for my funeral..I see no reason to be on-time then either!
lol.. "

movedsouth wrote on Oct 2, 2008 12:07 PM:

" The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama Now with a book like that, why would anyone think Ifill would be biased? Let's see, if Obama is elected, she stands to make big bucks when it is released on inauguration day. If McCain is elected, the book is a bust. I'm sure she will be fair and balanced! "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Oct 2, 2008 11:53 AM:

" karl again... wrote on Oct 2, 2008 11:30 AM:
" QT, I'm ever grateful and over the moon to see that you've discarded your formerly offensive moniker, but really--couldn't we just call you "Joe" or "Pete" or maybe "Bob"? WHy'd you have to go with a name that takes half the comment box just to type it?
Sheesh!
Bob? "

Ok, Karl. Let me simplify this for you. I am using this name because it is one I use on a forum. I am known as BLD. Try it, it is easy to type.

Speaking of those gut wrenching beers, can we add: Hamm's, Stagmyre, Utica CLub, and Mickey's? "

karl again... wrote on Oct 2, 2008 11:44 AM:

" FG, I used to have a denim jacket with that very patch on it! LOL!
In fact, that was one of the things I would look forward to most up at the racetrack--getting a new patch for my jacket. I had it covered in racing patches! "

karl again... wrote on Oct 2, 2008 11:42 AM:

" Alright, come clean--WHO STOLE CHRIS VAN NOTE'S NAME and is using it to post things to make him look bad?
I mean, I know Chris is a hard core Conservative, but nobody is really THAT ignorant as to believe that the VP debate moderator tonight is in on some sort of "conspiracy" to "help Obama win"?!?!
I mean, really--NO ONE could be THAT ignorant and silly, right?
RIGHT?!?! "

mark wrote on Oct 2, 2008 11:42 AM:

" What about the turn only lanes? People use them like they are passing lanes, for sure. I also dislike how people use them to turn into then merge into the flow of traffic. Do you know how unsafe that is? Especially if someone does not care to let you in? They would have the right of way (I assume) since you would cut into their ROW. To my knowledge, they are to be used to keep traffic flowing. "

karl again... wrote on Oct 2, 2008 11:30 AM:

" QT, I'm ever grateful and over the moon to see that you've discarded your formerly offensive moniker, but really--couldn't we just call you "Joe" or "Pete" or maybe "Bob"? WHy'd you have to go with a name that takes half the comment box just to type it?
Sheesh!
Bob? "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Oct 2, 2008 10:33 AM:

" What have so many of us said about the local schools dropping drivers ed? It has created a larger than normal proportion of BAD DRIVERS in the Auburn area. I'll lay odds most of those who don't stop for pedestrians don't have a clue that it is the LAW that they MUST STOP.

Pedestrians in Auburn have to be exceptionally careful -- flashing lights or not, drivers in Auburn will just keep coming even though they do not have the right-of-way over a pedestrian in a crosswalk. "

brew1234 wrote on Oct 2, 2008 10:31 AM:

" There is always someone trying to be the two cents cop. It is a free flowing expression of ideas. Like it or leave it! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Oct 2, 2008 9:42 AM:

" There's nothing in the "rules" (which mostly aren't enforced anyway) that says we have to stick to the SUGGESTED topics provided by the editors at the top. Sometimes we have some frivolous "human interest" chatter, but more often, you find people here discussing more momentous issues than find their way up-top. If there's something there on which you have a comment, go for it! "

cm wrote on Oct 2, 2008 9:34 AM:

" Mark: did you post one of topics?

The shrub: ask Nyseg if they would mind if YOU cut it down and make it go away, so you dont have to look at the eyesore no more?!

pedestrian crosswalk: ask the city to replace the sign with a flashing post, odds are it wont work better than the sign BUT it would be more visible.
When in doubt--DONT CROSS--the driver is most likely on their cell phone or texting!

God Bless Mr.Bell, and double thanks for those that stood in the rain to honor him! "

MIZZMOM wrote on Oct 2, 2008 9:02 AM:

" hey lolward...it must have really bothered you since you felt the need to correct the position of Sgt J. Bell on here...he fought for US all & that's all that should matter...RIP MR. BELL "

cm wrote on Oct 2, 2008 9:02 AM:

" GAS going down 3.53 yesterday here.

Inspectors out in full force-nailed over 100 stations for 'wrong measurements' basically we would be getting less gas for our money!

Along with street to street sweeps near the stadium--Super Bowl is being held here--so the clean-up of crime is being hit hard! "

mark wrote on Oct 2, 2008 8:50 AM:

" Um.. Suggestion, Let's stay on topic. If you can't, why not talk it over a cup of coffee at the local DD. Did you even read the new two cents? "

cm wrote on Oct 2, 2008 8:44 AM:

" I had an Aunt & uncle that moved to Fl-and whenever I would come from NY,
BEG me to bring a case of GENESEE Beer.
( I would bring about 4 cases, feeling like a 'runner' crossing state lines)

from Winners Circle & Cassidy's days, I was hooked on OV splits. Sometimes I would bring a case back to FL-since I don't drink much a case would be in the frig for 2 yrs unless my sis from GA. came to visit, she called them 'baby beers' and my case would be gone!
lol.. "

chris van note wrote on Oct 2, 2008 8:39 AM:

" A partial list of Gwen Ifill's questions for the VP debate tonight.
(Ifill works for PBS and is writing a pro-Obama book-so if the Obamessiah is crowned, she makes more $$$):

Mayor Palin, Barack Obama is a handsome, charismatic demigod. How many boxes of Kleenex will you need after your crushing loss?

Senator Biden, what is your favorite color? And if you have time for a follow-up question: Why?

Mayor, you talk funny and you own a tanning bed. Why haven't you released Trig's birth certificate?

Senator, have you seen those pictures of Obama in his swim trunks? If not, I have them right here.

Mayor, what are the names, ages, and blood types of all 71 members of the Belgian Senate? And why are you unwilling to admit that your inability to instantly produce any and every fact I demand makes you unfit to stand in the way of history?

Senator, you've spoken at length. Could you please continue?

Mayor, which is your preferred method of stifling dissent, banning books or burning them? Since it's both, please explain how you can deny the accusation that you're a fascist, which I am making now.

Senator, could you please sign my book?

Satire from JimTreacher.com. "

chris van note wrote on Oct 2, 2008 8:14 AM:

" Hey AJ, here are some words from your flakey candidate Cynthia McKinney...

Cynthia McKinney: 5,000 prisoners executed and dumped in swamp during Katrina

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbEEyTIVKMI

She's the green party candidate for president. No foolin' she really is...
And AJ thinks she would be a good president.

Did Bush/Cheney/Halliburton/etc...do this before or after they blew up the levies? "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Oct 2, 2008 4:16 AM:

" I did -- and here's what I wrote in response to you and to Oldtimer who knows folks who drink Schaefer over in Moravia:

" I bought Farmer Guy a Schaefer Pocono 500 patch on eBay because it was an inexpensive add-on to a whole bunch of Schaefer stuff I got him for Christmas last year (best item was a metal wall plaque of dogs drinking Schaefer beer and watching a horse race, LOL!) Neither of us is into racing, so if you ever meet up with us, I think that patch has your name on it.

Yep, oldtimer, when I almost bought the house in Moravia, one of it's better features was that it was less than half a mile from the Modern Market. If you know people in Moravia who drink Schaefer, you probably know Farmer Guy, or knew his dad -- farmers of the old school from Venice/Scipio, most famously associated with the "Venice Boom," as well as their renowned homemade hard cider.

Another place Schaefer is sold is at the convenience store at the corner of North and York Sts in Auburn.

The one to have when you're having more than one -- as he usually does! " "

lolward wrote on Oct 2, 2008 3:36 AM:

" Sgt Bell was a Marine, not a soldier. There is a big difference. "

brew1234 wrote on Oct 1, 2008 11:53 PM:

" Don't forget Carling Black Label. When I was a 20 year old child I was in a beer chugging contest and we had to chug cases of CBL that were set out in the sun for a hot summer afternoon. That was a challenge. Shaeffer was my dad's beer. He came home from work and set a 6 pack on the kitchen table and drank it down one after another then took a shower and got ready for supper. He didn't mind it warm as he had it that way in England during WWII. Thanks for the memories! "

bassistlearningdrums wrote on Oct 1, 2008 11:15 PM:

" Ahh.... After changing my browser, I had to re invent myself.

The former quiveringthigh! "

karl again... wrote on Oct 1, 2008 5:27 PM:

" Hey FG--didn't know if you saw this, so I copied it here:
"Farmer's Gal--wow, that's very interesting about the gas tanks--I can believe it though. I DO hope that it opens again--I'm sure there are quite a few people missing their local groceries!
SHAEFFER BEER!?!
WOW! I didn't even realize they still made that Pennsylvania brew!? I used to go watch "The Schaeffer 500" Indy car races at Pocono Raceway in Pennsylvania with my dad when I was young! In fact, I swear---just today, in the mail arrived an "Official Schaeffer 500 Program" book from 1974 that I bought off eBay for $2.00!
Man--the memories! " "

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