Regarding the comment by someone indicating it is a "ploy" by the Republicans to select a woman as their vice presidential nominee, would it have been a "ploy" had Hillary Clinton been the liberal presidential candidate? Or is it a "ploy" to run the candidate they selected?
Wasn't eight years of Bush enough? Do you really want four more years of the same stuff?
I'm calling in regard to the people that use David's Fields at Metcalf Avenue: You have trash littered all over and garbage --- shame on you, you're pigs! There are refuse containers directly in front of you so why don't you use them?
In Monday's column Carole Estabrook asks "Who is Sarah Palin anyway?" Simple, she's everything you're not.
I think John McCain's running mate was so into her own accomplishments that she forgot she had a young lady growing up and failed to have a conversation with her, so now the penalties are going to be paid.
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karl again... wrote on Sep 6, 2008 10:26 AM:
Not only that, but the Republiscums are lying about her "accomplishments". She did NOT sell the jet at a profit on eBay--it sold to a private owner AT A LOSS.
She WAS for the "bridge to nowhere" before she was against it--yet kept the money anyway which had been allocated for it. So much for a "reformer"!
Secondly, either Palin or Rove's mi,ions have apparently gotten to the list of witnesses in the case she is under investigation for--apparently now, the seven witnesses which were going to testify in the case against Palin about abuse-of-power have been either intimidated or paid off to not testify willingly; they are requiring subpoenas for them now. How sickening, really--here's an important, highly relevant issue having everything to do with leadership qualities and abuse-of-power issues that should be front-and-center for the voting public to be informed about, and these small-minded little nitwits are trying to obfuscate the facts for political gain--the good of the country be damned!
Sometimes I think Americans deserve the crappy, corrupt leaders we have protected...what we need is a good armed revolution!
And why has she been hiding from the press ince her speech? "
rayz wrote on Sep 6, 2008 8:28 AM:
cm wrote on Sep 6, 2008 7:29 AM:
sadly, but honestly, most of my life I have felt the Pres was the PR person for the USA.
He does the hand-shaking, the meet & greets, puts on the fancy dinners, and usually delivers BAD news with the State of the Union speech.
As I age, I realize he's still the PR guy, but it seems no matter what he does he gets 'bottom of totem pole' when it all hits the fan HE's to blame!
reality is HE's NOT the ONLY ONE to blame. the other 535 have EGOs beyond the average person, they have freebies, low interest mortgages, and they live off the tax payers for their private lying agendas!
Take the Kennedy family alone, they are greasier than my mechanic! They live in mansions and think they are above the law, which most judges agree, no matter what wrongs they have done they merely have hands slapped!
Its all in who you know, how much money you have...well for them: the 'knows' are over 40yrs worth and the money came from scamming tax payers!
No matter WHO wants change as a Pres. it is hard to break the barriers of the 535 who do not want to give up their 'greased' lifestyles. They will use all means of scandals to keep it that way! "
AJ wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:24 PM:
AJ wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:18 PM:
Pursuant to a previous topic - all of you who refuse to blame the preznit for any of our problems, why should we bother to have one at all? If the preznit is not doing anything, what's the point? We have congress and the senate to blame for everything after all, right? You crack me up. "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:52 PM:
There is East Hill Family Medical, which tries to fill in as best they can for Planned Parenthood.
But talk about stupid, in a PRISON town, they don't have a place where young people, who are going to be screwing around no matter what they are "taught" - they have no easy access to either birth control or abortions. You'd think the conservatives would support birth control to stem the tide of unwanted pregnancies in the first place -- but no....
Public schools should get adequate public funding. Private schools should be funded privately. If you choose to send your child to a private school, you should expect to pay the fees for it. That's pretty simple -- if parents want credits for education, then they can use the public system. If it isn't adequate, let that be the motivation to get them involved towards improving public education.
Otherwise, I think the government should fund my desire to have a private limo, as an equal alternative to public transportation which I don't choose to use.... "
cm wrote on Sep 5, 2008 5:31 PM:
hurricanes are aiding the economy in FL.
myfoxhurricane.com "
cm wrote on Sep 5, 2008 5:21 PM:
Along with parents ideals of 'less troublesome kids' in private schools.
But not all privates are religious, such as Montessori(K-12), and those similar to Tampa Preparatory School.
I happen to be in a great school district, my daughter just started 4th but reads on a 6th grade level. But she also gets reading is fun--from my older daughter and myself. We have been reading to her since she was a newborn.
No school can do it alone-parents need to be involved, quality of time is better than quantity of time. "
cm wrote on Sep 5, 2008 5:02 PM:
and where does the lady in the anti-abortion car protest? besides the end of the parades?
amazing Auburn would lose planned parenthood/almost lose social security office yet lets add another restaurant?! "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Sep 5, 2008 2:37 PM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Sep 5, 2008 2:35 PM:
I was going to suggest Cayuga Counseling, but I see someone beat me to it.
You might also inquire on the college/university campuses -- I read recently that close to 25% of female college students have been raped or sexually assaulted. Syracuse U used to have a reputation as a particularly bad campus in that department. Some of them may have resources for victims which would be open to the anyone in the community as well as students. Might be worth a call if you aren't finding what you are looking for elsewhere.
Good luck to her. There are plenty out here who understand and empathize. "
AJ wrote on Sep 5, 2008 2:25 PM:
Amazing, truly amazing. DD, MEDIAN is NOT THE SAME as AVERAGE. FIGURE IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!
If you want to blame Congress, go ahead. Just don't stick all the blame on less than 2 years of democratic rule (though they deserve a lot of blame as well for acting like rethuglicans). Please get your stuff straight people.
As for your beloved preznit, HE got us into this war (with a lot of help from Cheney of course). Noone can tell ME that this stupid a$$ war hasn't drained our economy. Yeah, the dems were complicit in all this - which is why you'll rarely hear me singing praises for them, and which is why they won't impeach. It all boils down to the fact that they are almost all scum, and beholden to the corporate elite, which is typically where you'll find my anger directed. "
Andy b wrote on Sep 5, 2008 2:11 PM:
I honestly thought you'd have the brains to see through the fog. "
I did see through the fog of Obama. That is why I'm voting for Mccain/Palin even though I didn't vote for him in the primary. Unfortunately, my dream ticket of Romney/Powell never came about.
I'm for the "all of the above" for domestic energy to solve our energy dependence issue.
I'm for curtailing government waste on all levels.
I'm for a non revisionist view of the Constitution.
Both individuals on the GOP ticket are for these things. I'd go on about why I don't specifically like Obama and his policies but I don't have the time. I'm leaving mthe office early to kick off my annual Buffalo trip! Woo hoo! "
cm wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:46 PM:
ccssavar.html "
karl again... wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:43 PM:
Anyone else, please weigh in if you've got some suggestions! "
karl again... wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:41 PM:
PERIOD.
This is just the camouflaging nomenclature currently in vogue for the government to throw yet another bone to the Religious Right and use yours and my tax monies for the life support of religious schools--which they have NO BUSINESS doing! This amounts to a governmental funding of religious indoctrination, which is expressly forbidden by the Establishment Clause of the Constitution.
In 1999, in Ohio (?) 96% of parents who received vouchers used them for religious schools.
And here's the kicker--an extensive recent study has shown that contrary to popular myth, religious-schooled students DO NOT do better than public schools.
From the New York Times, 2006:
WASHINGTON, July 14 — The Education Department reported on Friday that children in public schools generally performed as well or better in reading and mathematics than comparable children in private schools. The exception was in eighth-grade reading, where the private school counterparts fared better.
The report, which compared fourth- and eighth-grade reading and math scores in 2003 from nearly 7,000 public schools and more than 530 private schools, found that fourth graders attending public school did significantly better in math than comparable fourth graders in private schools. Additionally, it found that students in conservative Christian schools lagged significantly behind their counterparts in public schools on eighth-grade math. Full Report (pdf)
(is that better, FG?! LOL!) "
cm wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:39 PM:
lol...
I've been on a BLT kick all week, I think I have had one a day! lol "
cm wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:36 PM:
yes, there are many in need of one that size and she needs to step down and move out!
BREW: I see your point as to operating costs BUT here our charter schools are different than the private schools.
charters are similar to public school except theres a waiting list and the teach on a totally different level.
such as a charter school for science,drama,media,gifted,etc.
private schools are paid for by the parents UNLESS they are poor and can get a voucher from the state.
it keeps arguing in court because middle/poor class say 'we pay taxes' for schooling..and if we want our child to attend 'private school' we should be allowed to send them there.
it was also voter approved years ago. "
cm wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:22 PM:
until you find one--she should get on the internet and find an online chat group.
sometimes its easier to talk to people 'WHO DONT SEE YOU' this way your not as shy or highly embarrassed. "
nature lover wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:21 PM:
karl again... wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:20 PM:
Did it strike you how similar to a Pentecostal Evangelical prayer meeting it was? The whole over-the-top emotional outpouring, the raised hands, etc--this was clearly a "religious experience" for the looneybins! "
cm wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:18 PM:
my vacation spots if we dont go to Auburn, is Tennessee or Cherokee,NC. which borders TN!
My 9 yr old prefers Dollywood & the Dixie Stampede over Disney anyday!
If I could afford it, I would love to have a log cabin in that area for a 'summer home'! "
karl again... wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:03 PM:
As I was saying, I have a close friend who was nearly raped and sexually assaulted by a professional in the area. In her words, this man worked her into a position of trust between the two and then sexually abused her one night, and she is now a year past the incident but it is as fresh as yesterday, and it is impacting her whole life.
She has sought counseling, but it doesn't seem to be helping much. I have suggested to her that she find a support group of women who have experienced the same thing, so she can find sympathetic voices and a sharing-of-experiences and support.
Does anyone know of anything meeting in Auburn or Syracuse of that type? "
nature lover wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:54 PM:
Andy b wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:52 PM:
Andy b wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:51 PM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:10 PM:
Rent-control was meant to help the truly poor, esp. those on fixed incomes. If you happened to get into one when you were down and out, then got a great job later, you just plain got lucky. "
movedsouth wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:04 PM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:03 PM:
morals wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:29 AM:
cm wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:55 AM:
Eviction proceedings are continuing against Tampa Housing Authority Commissioner Karen Peoples - but not without a fight.
Peoples has lived in public housing since 1984. She pays $26 in rent for her four-bedroom apartment.
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/
sep/05/me-housing-official-fights-her-eviction/news-metro/ "
LuvRetirement wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:47 AM:
"the point is that no one has any business giving Bush credit for improving the average American's income..."
I have no intention of giving anyone "credit"... but, I am sick and tired of hearing the normal liberal claim that the President is directly responsible for the shape of the economy.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but... does the President actually write and present bills to Congress for their approval? Isn't it the Democratic-controlled Congress that actually passes or declines pieces of legislation?
The only legislative power that the President has is the power to veto. Can you name me one piece of economy-related legislation that the President has recently vetoed?
No, FG, let's place the blame where it belongs.... directly on Congress. "
brew1234 wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:46 AM:
chris van note wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:36 AM:
http://www.break.com/usercontent/2008/9/Emotional-Hippies-Crying-Over-Dead-Trees-565864.html
Eric Cartman was right. "
dd wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:25 AM:
" OK, for the sake of argument, lets say the "median" family income "inched up" almost $300 under Bush.
First of all, MEDIAN is NOT AVERAGE, so the numbers are virtually meaningless for the AVERAGE family.
AJ---the meaning of the word median is described in the dictionary: Relating to or constituting the middle value in a distribution. Usually the "middle value" is the average if you have any math skills. Senator Obama said nothing about the median household income slipping because of the loss in value of the dollar---he said that the median household income slipped under Bush. Actually the median household increased under Bush believe it or not. Are you just an angry guy? Ask Karl--even I admit when he is right about things. I like to get under his skin, but I admit it when I feel he is right. You are wrong on your account, and while it is Obama's writers, and fact checkers that are wrong, he spewed it. You'd be all over McCain if he had said it. "
cm wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:07 AM:
I would just like to see it thrive better, I would like those in charge to do their jobs and correct the wrongs.
I would like the judges to stop this 6-month jail with 5yrs probation, especially for the ones with long criminal histories!
You know as well as I do--Auburn CAN be and SHOULD be better!!
I have never been a cold-weather person, I am a beach-a-holic ! I have been to many states, after living in CA, it was the final home choice time.
I choose here-close enough to family in case of emergency but far enough to escape the drama.
BUT the honest choice was a future for
my kids.They were not yet teens and had been to Auburn numerous times BUT Here they can do anything year-round. Here they could grow and prosper in any field, not limited to a few months.
Like any area-it has its up and downs.
weather-wise: CA has the best weather, however it comes with earthquakes!
The good thing about hurricanes: advanced notice! "
cm wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:47 AM:
the 536 have 'FAILED THIS COUNTRY MISERABLY'
a fetus doesn't get to choose, but a full-grown adult DOES get to choose his/her career! If you are afraid to die, then live in a bubble, and then pray some wacko doesnt enjoy killing during a home invasion! "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:40 AM:
A hallow ball of cells with the potential to be a child isn't a child, certainly not compared to an independently living, breathing child already born -- there's no comparison. dan w, you have YOUR answer to the abortion question, and it's your right to answer it -- for yourself. I have my answer too, and it isn't the same as yours -- which is my right as well.
LuvRetirement -- the point was not about Bush being responsible or not for the drop in the value of the dollar (though I am sure we could find negative influences coming from him administration which contributed), the point is that no one has any business giving Bush credit for improving the average American's income when ONE: "median" isn't the same as "average" and TWO: the value of the dollar has dropped, so an apparently higher number of dollars income has to be balanced against the rate of inflation before it means anything. "
movedsouth wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:05 AM:
" can we talk about local stuff.Why is it always about McCain and OBAMA they both lie. " "and later brew wrote "And morals you are not the moderator of two cents. So make a point or discuss what you would like or shut up. The discussion is directed by the posters. We have an ample supply of snipers on this site that complain and attack without making any points or discussion". I thought a point was made by wanting local stuff. Maybe someone else thinks he is the moderator. "
morals wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:51 AM:
nature lover wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:35 AM:
" It's too bad this site doesn't have a way to retrieve a forgoten password. "
On 'tech bites' on abc this am they were tooting a new gadget that remembers all your passwords for you and costs $15!
and BTW I am hooked on woot.com..simply HAVE to look daily lol - it was u that suggested that site right?
oh cm...poor gloomy Auburn, the drug invested urinal of life (IYO)...u really nvr have anything good to say about us poor criminals/welfare recipients up here (we all are right?)...we can only dream of living in that mosquito invested hurricane corridor u occupy...Spent our honeymoon in Fl for two weeks, was a great time but will nvr rtn as the state REEKS bad!! Too many old republicans there with their illegitimate grandchildren living in trailers. Just kidding omg! e a s y
BTW TGIF....yahooo...early enough to get that delicious bottle or so of NYS wine chilled for company later. NYS the 2nd largest producer of wine in the US. "
cm wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:33 AM:
HOWEVER I dont think it should be used as a method of birth control either.
I can see both sides of it, but I agree its up to the personal decision of the mother.
there are guys out there that want the baby, sadly they are few in the percentages.
I have always told my boys, if you play, you pay...never assume shes on the pill.
Birth control is the responsibility of BOTH parties involved.
I am overly joyed with 2 grandkids myself, and I do give when needed my time or money, without expecting paybacks! "
cm wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:20 AM:
the issue here is the private schools,(mostly religious) that I COULD get a voucher for depending on what month it is deemed constitutional. The arguement changes monthly!
but even while the court battle lingers on, the state will still issue the vouchers.
the facts are: the state gives the schools a set amount of monies as per child in attendance.
If the child attends PRIVATE school on state funds, why would the public school get the same amount if they are 1 or 10 child-less????? "
AJ wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:06 AM:
FBI raids Long Haul Collective in Berkeley
http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/2008/09/fbi-raids-long-haul-collective-in.html
They did actually produce a search warrant (after the raid) which was so flimsy and pathetic its amazing. They seized all their computers. These are peaceful, non-violent groups.
It seems to me that perhaps this could be the start of trying to render collective organizing groups ineffective. Time will tell.
While you're there, check out his work on the stolen elections. "
AJ wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:54 AM:
The dollar didn't start tanking when the do-little democrats assumed power. And what in blazes do you have against the current crop of Democrats? They are more like Republican lite, which is why they have such a low approval rating. After repeated promises of impeachment to get elected, they dropped the ball, thereby saving your hero GWB from the impeachment he deserves.
I'm really getting a kick out of all this abortion stuff. The exposition of warped logic here boggles my mind. Apparently the life of a fetus is worth more than a million Iraqis or 4000+ Americans. TWISTED!!! "
cm wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:06 AM:
then they add the not norms: a hurricane in the gulf--adds to gas prices EVEN if the storm NEVER touches an oil platform!
corn prices went sky high-for ALL the hybrid cars--well how many hybrids are on the road compared to normal cars?
then buying in bulk; if we shop at Sams club/BJ's we spend more money than a daily trip to Wegmans but we save in the long run, BUT if all did that Wegmans would be no more.
a never-ending battle. "
cm wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:00 AM:
I never blame just one-when there are so many involved, and VETOS are the norm for all sides!
maybe is we cut back on the number of officials something might actually get done! "
cm wrote on Sep 5, 2008 5:53 AM:
they race because they are in a hurry after they purchase their drugs.
if you live there watch & see the action..it amazes me how stupid (druggies) they are, maybe because they know APD could care less. "
dan w wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:34 AM:
LuvRetirement wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:34 AM:
"....is the fact that under Bush the value of the dollar has plummeted to all-time lows"
Explain to me how President Bush was directly responsible for this? He has little or no control over the value of the dollar.... Congress (controlled by the Democrats) has much more responsibilty in this area than does the President....
Or..... as a tree-hugging liberal.... isn't it more convenient to blame someone else? "
brew wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:32 AM:
And morals you are not the moderator of two cents. So make a point or discuss what you would like or shut up. The discussion is directed by the posters. We have an ample supply of snipers on this site that complain and attack without making any points or discussion.
A small but important topic in McSames speech was the funding of charter schools. Charters schools are great centers of learning but they require tuition and can only be afforded by the wealthy or upper middle class. To give these people a break in tuition will take funds from the public schools and those who can't afford to send their children to charter schools will get either a poorer education for their children or higher school taxes for public schools.
Also McSame is playing the POW card real hard. No one could fault Obama for using the race card as it is no different than McSames use of the POW card.
He speaks of being a maverick but the front row is full of his buddies the lobbyists.
He speaks of change but what will be different? He won't change our position in the Iraq War. He won't change the distribution of wealth in the country. He claims to want to co-operate across the aisle but uses his VP as an attack dog to bite the liberals in the butt. If Sarah Palin was a democrat she wouldn't have the political views that we detest or she would have been run out of the party. If she called herself a democrat that would be her right but I wouldn't support her views. "
interested wrote on Sep 4, 2008 9:08 PM:
AJ wrote on Sep 4, 2008 7:02 PM:
First of all, MEDIAN is NOT AVERAGE, so the numbers are virtually meaningless for the AVERAGE family.
Second, what factcheck.org did not bother to bring up, is the fact that under Bush the value of the dollar has plummeted to all-time lows. Ever notice your dollar buys A LOT LESS these days? Considering this, Obama was right, and may have been understating the case. "
morals wrote on Sep 4, 2008 6:41 PM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Sep 4, 2008 6:34 PM:
Plagiarism is still wrong, Karl, no matter how many people do it and no matter how much the "norm" it is -- it's still no different than lying. How the bloody h*ll hard is it to note that you got the info from someone else?!??? (Sorry, the Librarian in me is coming out).
That said, Karl can say as much as he wants, as it is usually more substantive than many other puff-pastry posters -- if he could control his impulse to sink to the level of useless retaliatory come-backs and name-calling (and sometimes not retaliatory) -- I'd defend him in EVERY case, even when I disagree with him.
Meanwhile, Palin is as whacked as McCain, just in different ways. His campaign thought it would be good strategically to pick a woman (or minority) and one who seemed to have a reputation as a reformer, so she got the call, despite the incredible lack of experience (makes Obama look like an old hand!) -- big mistake on their part, as she is more liability than plus -- thank goodness! Speaking ability, be it Obama or Palin, does not equal substance, much less substance of a GOOD kind.
Good grief, you all posted a lot. Time for me to cut out to go see the Giants first game of the season. The rest is moot. (Pathetic, I know, but it's my personal weakness). "
movedsouth wrote on Sep 4, 2008 5:50 PM:
interested wrote on Sep 4, 2008 4:17 PM:
karl again... wrote on Sep 4, 2008 3:12 PM:
Although I do like that woman's accent... "
karl again... wrote on Sep 4, 2008 3:10 PM:
I agree about both sides skewing the issues.
I want to state that I wasn't trying to carry the water for Obama as far as shilling for the points he made--only trying to show the difference between Palin's and Obama's speeches. "
karl again... wrote on Sep 4, 2008 3:06 PM:
Big deal? So she is a charismatic speaker. How does that translate into being an effective VP?
Of course, if your definition of an effective politician is one who can BS their way to office, then both Palin and McCain fit the bill. "
dd wrote on Sep 4, 2008 2:59 PM:
LuvRetirement wrote on Sep 4, 2008 2:44 PM:
I knew exactly what I was posting... it was certainly meant to get the predicable response from you that it did.... when the Republicans win (again) in November we'll all be subjected to the same old whinning and crying that we heard 4 years ago...
This country does not need nor want liberalism to take over.... "
chris van note wrote on Sep 4, 2008 2:36 PM:
(for those not familiar with the above websites, I advise you to check them out. They'll speak for themselves)
I generally go to Factcheck.org, it skewers both sides for stretching the truth.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_obama.html
Obama: Now, many of these plans will cost money, which is why I’ve laid out how I’ll pay for every dime – by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens that don’t help America grow.
This is misleading. Even by his own campaign’s estimates, closing corporate loopholes and tax havens won’t pay for all of Obama’s new plans. In July, the campaign told the Los Angeles Times that they estimate the yearly cost of their proposed tax cuts at $130 billion. They put revenue from closing tax loopholes at just $80 billion. Obama also proposes to raise taxes to pre-Bush levels for families earning more than $250,000 a year and singles making more than $200,000, yielding additional revenue. But he didn't mention that in his speech.
But Obama’s claim is misleading on another level. According to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, "without substantial cuts in government spending" Obama’s plan – and McCain's, too – "would substantially increase the national debt over the next ten years." Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor told FactCheck.org that the Tax Policy Center's analysis "fails to take in account Senator Obama's spending cuts, including ending the Iraq war." That's true, but Obama's proposed cuts are dwarfed by the Tax Policy Center's projected deficits. Obama’s new spending programs might be completely offset by new revenue and spending cuts. But overall spending will still exceed overall revenue, and the nation would face at least 10 more years of annual deficits.
Obama also pulled some sleight of hand when he stated that "the average American family" saw its income "go down $2,000" under George Bush. That's not correct. Census figures show average family income went down $348.
As it turns out, when Obama said "average family income," he didn't mean "average," and he didn't mean "family," either. An Obama aide says he was really referring to median income – which is the midpoint – and not to the average. And Obama was talking only about "working families," not retired couples.
For all families, median family income actually inched up under Bush by $272.
I'll not bore you with the rest of the article, but it refutes much of what Karl posted.
We all know both sides are going to stretch the truth or give half truths about the other side. It is politics... "
morals wrote on Sep 4, 2008 2:29 PM:
cm wrote on Sep 4, 2008 2:13 PM:
have you never yelled 'sush up' and let me watch the game?
Karl/Aj: aol poll:
Has your general impression of Palin changed after her speech?
yes, for the better=67%
Total Votes: 214,605
How would you rate her speech?
Excellant=65%
Total Votes: 495,070
Andy B: I have a DVR too, but the daughter has it filled with the SUN. all day marathon of Pokemon! lol "
karl again... wrote on Sep 4, 2008 2:06 PM:
I honestly thought you'd have the brains to see through the fog. "
karl again... wrote on Sep 4, 2008 2:06 PM:
"And Obama's speech was different how, Karl" you asked.
Allow me, please:
From Obama's speech, available at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/28/barack-obama-democratic-c_n_122224.html
"Change means a tax code that doesn't reward the lobbyists who wrote it, but the American workers and small businesses who deserve it.
Unlike John McCain, I will stop giving tax breaks to corporations that ship jobs overseas, and I will start giving them to companies that create good jobs right here in America.
I will eliminate capital gains taxes for the small businesses and the start-ups that will create the high-wage, high-tech jobs of tomorrow.
I will cut taxes - cut taxes - for 95% of all working families. Because in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle-class.
And for the sake of our economy, our security, and the future of our planet, I will set a clear goal as President: in ten years, we will finally end our dependence on oil from the Middle East.
....As President, I will tap our natural gas reserves, invest in clean coal technology, and find ways to safely harness nuclear power.
....I'll invest in early childhood education. I'll recruit an army of new teachers, and pay them higher salaries and give them more support. And in exchange, I'll ask for higher standards and more accountability. And we will keep our promise to every young American - if you commit to serving your community or your country, we will make sure you can afford a college education.
Now is the time to finally keep the promise of affordable, accessible health care for every single American. If you have health care, my plan will lower your premiums. If you don't, you'll be able to get the same kind of coverage that members of Congress give themselves. And as someone who watched my mother argue with insurance companies while she lay in bed dying of cancer, I will make certain those companies stop discriminating against those who are sick and need care the most.
....Now is the time to change our bankruptcy laws, so that your pensions are protected ahead of CEO bonuses; and the time to protect Social Security for future generations.
...Now, many of these plans will cost money, which is why I've laid out how I'll pay for every dime - by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens that don't help America grow.
...We may not agree on abortion, but surely we can agree on reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies in this country. The reality of gun ownership may be different for hunters in rural Ohio than for those plagued by gang-violence in Cleveland, but don't tell me we can't uphold the Second Amendment while keeping AK-47s out of the hands of criminals. I know there are differences on same-sex marriage, but surely we can agree that our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters deserve to visit the person they love in the hospital and to live lives free of discrimination. Passions fly on immigration, but I don't know anyone who benefits when a mother is separated from her infant child or an employer undercuts American wages by hiring illegal workers.
I'm sure McCain's speech will pander right to the NeoCon/Big Business interests in the Party, rather than the American people. It's scary how McCain and Palin can look right in the camera and lie to the voters and the American people about "Country First" It SHOULD scare you, and any voter. "
karl again... wrote on Sep 4, 2008 1:52 PM:
Would it be too much to suggest that you stay involved in a relevant matter and stop spamming this site with cut-n-paste insignificant trivia?
If you can't please stop the cut-n-paste childishness. I'm sure the people on this site who enjoy such meaningless nonsense know where to find it if they want it.
Though you may not realize it, it only goes to prove that you're doing EXACTLY what Republicans do when they have no comeback or no points of rebuttal--cloud the issue, the segment, the page, or the conversation with meaningless spin and blather which only prevents matters of substance from being discussed.
How about stopping it with the spam? I'm serious. Enough. Stay on topic, ok? "
karl again... wrote on Sep 4, 2008 1:43 PM:
EXACTLY.
All Palin offers is more divisiveness and Rovian politics. All she offers is more Culture War. The same crap that has been distracting our lawmakers and perhaps more importantly, our VOTERS for the last 8 years.
Nothing in your answer about "competency". Hmmm....
Thank you for your illuminating answer. Betcha didn't think you were giving the answer you thought you were huh? "
coach51 wrote on Sep 4, 2008 1:42 PM:
Andy B wrote on Sep 4, 2008 1:38 PM:
chris van note wrote on Sep 4, 2008 1:38 PM:
http://www.thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=2269
Conservative humor, so I don't think AJ and Karl will find anything funny there as they aren't vicious towards Conservatives but satirical to the left.
The Book of Invesco
The Sermon on the Mile High Mount
1Then it came to pass in the Land of Entitlement that the Word became Change and the Change became Hope and the Hope became Change You Can Believe In. 2And The Obamessisah went about all fifty-seven states, teaching at their Caucuses and Primaries, healing malaise among the poor in spirit, and preaching the gospel of Progress. 3Then His fame went throughout all the land; and they came to Him all people who were afflicted with Bush Derangement; and those who were hopenitized; moonbats and troofers; and He wooed them. 4Great multitudes followed Him - from Chicago to Jersey, and beyond the Hills of Beverly.
~
5And seeing the multitudes, He went up on a mountain and stepped into the floodlights where they had built for Him a temple, and His disciples gathered around Him. Then He opened His mouth and taught them, saying:
6"Blessed are the poor,
For theirs is the kingdom of State expropriated wealth.
7Blessed are the jobless,
For the taxpayers shall be their keepers.
8Blessed are those who lost their homes,
For they shall inherit a bailout.
9Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for Change™,
For they shall be filled with a great taxpayer-funded feast.
10Blessed are all who have grievances,
For they shall be compensated through civil rights lawsuits.
11Blessed are the peace protesters,
For theirs is the Progressive World of Next Tuesday™.
12Blessed are those one illness away from disaster,
For they shall obtain free health care.
13Blessed are our homosexual brothers and sisters,
For they shall be married and receive Intensive Family Preservation programs and Family Reunification privileges from the immigration authorities.
More on the site... "
Andy B wrote on Sep 4, 2008 1:16 PM:
morals wrote on Sep 4, 2008 1:03 PM:
cm wrote on Sep 4, 2008 12:58 PM:
'sounds' like she was questioning what does the current VP do/has done? "
cm wrote on Sep 4, 2008 12:56 PM:
maybe I will look for some repeats of it later online. "
LuvRetirement wrote on Sep 4, 2008 12:45 PM:
"Somebody want to tell me WHY this lady is on the ticket?!!?"
Simple answer: The Republicans chose her because they knew that, once elected, she'd make life miserable for all the tree-hugging liberals of our country! "
coach51 wrote on Sep 4, 2008 12:39 PM:
chris van note wrote on Sep 4, 2008 12:30 PM:
Well lets see...this is a fact from the Palin speech:
"I was mayor of my hometown. And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves. I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a ‘community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities."
These are facts about drilling:
"...the fact that drilling won't solve every problem is no excuse to do nothing at all. Starting in January, in a McCain-Palin administration, we're going to lay more pipelines...build more nuclear plants...create jobs with clean coal...and move forward on solar, wind, geothermal, and other alternative sources. We need American energy resources, brought to you by American ingenuity, and produced by American workers."
I think you "guys" are just jealous that she's more macho than you are... "
movedsouth wrote on Sep 4, 2008 12:24 PM:
karl again... wrote on Sep 4, 2008 12:19 PM:
"As for that V.P. talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the V.P. does every day?"
"WHAT IS IT EXACTLY THAT THE V.P. DOES EVERY DAY?"?!?!?!?!
Somebody want to tell me WHY this lady is on the ticket?!!? "
chris van note wrote on Sep 4, 2008 12:16 PM:
They put in a grant request. The original amount was 10 millions dollars. That got pared down to 5 million dollars and they recieved 3.9 million which is about 80% of the requested 5 million.
REQUESTING a grant does not guarantee that you will receive any monies. "
karl again... wrote on Sep 4, 2008 12:08 PM:
There was NOTHING In it but just "preaching to the choir"!
I mean, really --NOTHING!
How come nobody here is talking about this fact?
Chris?
cm?
dd?
If you guys can tell me anything that she said that gives you reason to believe that she can offer the country anything but more culture war, more divisiveness, more Rovian politics, more cult-of-personality, I'll tattoo "Rove Rules" on my forehead. "
karl again... wrote on Sep 4, 2008 12:04 PM:
Please tell me how Sarah Palin's speech last night appealed to ANYTHING MORE than "Emotion over Intellect"?!
'nuf said. "
AJ wrote on Sep 4, 2008 11:51 AM:
So, if anyone wants proof, Google
"a one-time infusion of" +covenant
including the quotes. Take your pick. Maybe we could make a game out of this to see who can be the first to determine which site he pulled that paragraph from. That would be fun. But of course, the problem is that Chris won't admit to it or explain where he got it from, so I guess noone can really win. "
cm wrote on Sep 4, 2008 11:49 AM:
I almost hit him yesterday-as he kept following my car down the street.
my daughter took him door-to-door,with no luck, others said he's been around since Sunday, they too almost hit him!
after school we shall take him to the pound--maybe his owners are looking for him..if not he has a great personality, somewhat trained, I am sure he would find a good home.
my dachshund girl is not happy about him here! "
cm wrote on Sep 4, 2008 11:45 AM:
unless my sister says I must, she stays up on all this stuff.
updates seem make to make CPU worse.
sometimes my son comes over and cleans out my desktop--errrggg.. I cant find anything after that..
he did it 6 months ago--I figure if I haven't found it, I guess I didnt need it afterall.. lol "
karl again... wrote on Sep 4, 2008 11:44 AM:
karl again... wrote on Sep 4, 2008 11:42 AM:
Googling and pasting something is "normal" today; as far as facts and figures, etc.
I will agree however, that more than most here, Chris seems unable to think and speak beyond this annoying habit of his.
I mean, if we wanted to read distracting half-truths and Republiscum talking points, we would just visit the same radical Right-Wing websites as he does. "
karl again... wrote on Sep 4, 2008 11:39 AM:
Your wife is now pregnant with twins. (Because you believed in "Abstinence Only", and you're too stupid to use birth control)
You need $5,000 to expand your crowded, single-level ranch to accommodate two more children.
The bank promises you Five thousand dollars to expand, but when you get the check, it only says "Three Thousand".
You ask "How can I expand? It costs Five Thousand to be able to adequately provide for my twins"
The bank person tells you "Yes, we know. But the bank president thought that you didn't deserve FIVE, only THREE. See? Her signature, right there--"'SP'".
Your "capitol outlay" does not match your "operating outlay" now.
Your addition never gets built.
You almost made that too easy Chris. "
AJ wrote on Sep 4, 2008 11:35 AM:
Or is this a typical rethuglican tactic to divert attention from the issue I brought up, which was plagiarism, in which I caught you red-handed? "
chris van note wrote on Sep 4, 2008 11:34 AM:
Like most liberals, they just move the goal posts.
Don't like the facts or the correct answer? She just changes the question.
Don't try and use hard numbers, you'll just get an emotional response.
Remember kids, to folks like AJ and Karl, facts aren't as important as how things look and even more importantly, how they feel.
Emotion over intellect.
And by the way with regard to Covenent House...
Their allotment in actual monies went up about 3X and they got nearly 80% of a request on $5 million.
Try again AJ. "
movedsouth wrote on Sep 4, 2008 11:31 AM:
AJ wrote on Sep 4, 2008 11:15 AM:
"So" is so much like "By the way", isn't it, Chris? "
karl again... wrote on Sep 4, 2008 11:13 AM:
A lot of pandering to the "Amerika Uber Alles" crowd, a lot of rhetorical fluff, but NO substance, NO policy, NOTHING at all that told me ANYTHING about what kind of leader this woman would be. A lot of clever speech lines designed to pooh-pooh the Democrats, but really--what did she do beyond entertain a crowd--which was already handpicked to adore her?
No mention of her extremist views, all smoke and camouflage! And the morons in the audience clapping for basically was rude locker room claptrap.
"So the woman can read a teleprompter" was the way one commentator put it. A perfectly adequate comment.
Americans who are stupid enough to vote for a cult of personality would be the same ones stupid enough to vote for another 4 years of Bush---in a pantsuit.
GOBAMA
GOBAMA
GOBAMA!!! "
dd wrote on Sep 4, 2008 10:56 AM:
brew1234 wrote on Sep 4, 2008 10:53 AM:
dd wrote on Sep 4, 2008 10:49 AM:
AJ wrote on Sep 4, 2008 10:34 AM:
" PS AJ--Where's "the" site where CVN supposedly stole the info from, I would have expected you to put it in print along with your dorky comeback. "
Don't you know how to use Google, dd? I do. That paragraph is on more than one site. Which is why I asked Chris which one he stole it from.
You demonstrate time and time again that your reading comprehension rivals that of a 5 year old. You really need to do something about that dd. I'm sure there are night classes at CCCC that may be able to help you.
cm, I suppose it could be because it was more convenient than going outside whenever the need arose. "
chris van note wrote on Sep 4, 2008 10:27 AM:
Refute what was written...come on AJ-prove me wrong about the funding numbers.
And all this stink about Palin's daughter being pregnant. Funny how the libs leave out that Obama's momma had him at 18. "
dd wrote on Sep 4, 2008 10:23 AM:
cm wrote on Sep 4, 2008 10:18 AM:
FL's Amendment One: last year, saved homeowners 233.00 on their taxes but took millions away from police, fireman, and schools!
KARL STATES: an Atheist would NEVER force people to adopt "atheist" practices--because atheists know all too well how hypocritical and what a slippery slope that is! "
MEANING: 'the GROUP' simply slams/insults/belittles anyone NOT of their ways of thought!
AJ: keeping buckets of urine in your attic so you can haul it down 3 flights of stairs for daily removal???
I don't think so!
PS KARL: I keep an 'address book' for websites and passwords. "
AJ wrote on Sep 4, 2008 10:17 AM:
Your twisted logic at work again?
BTW, I am no fan of Biden's, for the record. "
dd wrote on Sep 4, 2008 10:13 AM:
dd wrote on Sep 4, 2008 10:11 AM:
cm wrote on Sep 4, 2008 10:07 AM:
plagiarized? isn't that Biden's middle name? "
cm wrote on Sep 4, 2008 10:05 AM:
TEEN pregnancy is more like 13-14-15-16,
the concerns are to attempt to slow down the early years.
everyone's blaming 'mom' when the truth of it is if a girl WANTS to have a baby, no mom in the world can stop her! " "
AJ wrote on Sep 4, 2008 10:02 AM:
"So, a one-time infusion of $3.9 million added by the state on top of normal operating expenses a "cut" only makes sense if you can't do math, if you don't understand the difference between a capital outlay and an operating outlay, or if you hate Republicans."
Wow Chris, you're so full of originality aren't you?
"By the way", which site did you steal that one from?
Was it the Washington Post blog? Or one of the right wing Nazi blogs you regularly visit?
Very clever, but you don't fool me. My guess is 80% of your posts, minimum, are plagiarized. That's the cool thing about Google. You really should either put things in YOUR own words, or give attribution in the form of a link at the very least. We understand that you have a small brain and aren't capable of your own thoughts, but at least show some respect for the writers you copy. "
chris van note wrote on Sep 4, 2008 9:19 AM:
So, a one-time infusion of $3.9 million added by the state on top of normal operating expenses a "cut" only makes sense if you can't do math, if you don't understand the difference between a capital outlay and an operating outlay, or if you hate Republicans.
Sarah Palin=Lawrence Taylor
Obama=Joe Theisman's Leg "
movedsouth wrote on Sep 4, 2008 8:56 AM: