Should the state start with cuts with the prison guards who protect us from the prisoners or perhaps the nurses who are working short so that we can take care of all the sick people? Think about it before you decide.
I'd like to get the former mayor back in office. At least you knew what he was doing step by step.
Both Auburn and Syracuse have unscrupulous lawyers with the same motto: you're presumed innocent until you're broke.
Isn't it strange that the ambulance service wants to move into the Frederick Street fire house because the response time will be quicker? Supposedly the fire department moved out to save money and the response time would be the same.
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nature lover wrote on Aug 6, 2008 1:51 PM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Aug 6, 2008 11:35 AM:
I responded: "please tell us the puppy made it alive?" A simple typo, putting the space in the wrong spot -- "please tell us the puppy mad eit alive?" I did not write "puppy mad - eat it alive" -- though I imagine if that's how you read it, it must have sounded pretty funny -- the post was actually not meant to be humorous at all.
I can't remember to what I was referring when I wrote: "Have an extra one for me!" because nature's post is now gone. "
Clement T. Arglebargle IV wrote on Aug 6, 2008 11:05 AM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Aug 6, 2008 10:37 AM:
That's what made it worth seeing the original ad -- to see first-hand what an ill-advised move McCain made and understand what that means in terms of his (lack of) abilities to a diplomat and leader.
I don't like a lot of things Obama says, but I don't think I would worry about him being smooth with foreign heads of state.... "
cm wrote on Aug 6, 2008 10:23 AM:
been off the pages for the past few months.
personally I think she feels the media has kicked her to the curb(where she belongs) and have immortalized Miley Cyrus.
For an ego maniac like Paris that has to be a hard blow to accept. Maybe she'll due another video and get back to #1.
more so laughing at mommy hilton saying she donated big bucks--4600.00 and her monies were wasted.. how does she explain the thousands for her kids lawyer fees?
maybe she should be a better parent! "
cm wrote on Aug 6, 2008 9:54 AM:
I cant wait for all this end-
maybe they can get back to work and be useful in todays society.
haha--politicians working/solving issues.... another dream!
being 'present' does not solve issues! "
Farmers Gal wrote on Aug 6, 2008 7:58 AM:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/05/paris-hilton-responds-to_n_117137.html
Meanwhile, I hear McCain also offered up his wife to compete in a topless contest, the "Buffalo Chip" biker beauty contest -- about which I know nothing, but I don't think I'd want to win a "Large Mammal Poop" contest myself. Apparently, once again, McCain opened his mouth without really knowing what he was talking about. "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Aug 6, 2008 7:50 AM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Aug 6, 2008 7:49 AM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Aug 6, 2008 7:47 AM:
Consumers who want more room, more luxury, etc, would have to push manufacturers to make roomier, larger vehicles with considerably better fuel efficiency and/or which ran on renewable alternative fuels. If the manufacturers aren't forced by the market to make more efficient vehicles, they won't.
I know, you're all pretty glad I am not dictator of the world. ;-)
I did see BOTH Paris Hilton ads -- the one McCain's people put out, AND her response "ad" (on her website, I think -- I saw it on CNN) -- her response was pretty savvy. Paris in a skimpy bathing suit in a lounger by a pool doing a parody of herself as totally airheaded, but saying that she thanks John McCain for his endorsement of her, which must mean she is running for President herself. She then lays out Obama's and McCain's energy plans in simple one-liners, then puts forward her own compromise plan, which isn't half bad or stupid at all -- the reverts back to her airhead routine to say she has to go look for a VP now. It was a classy comeback to his stupid insult -- a lot better than I would have expected from Paris Hilton.
I still say McCain shows a total lack of tact or judgement in allowing that ad at all. It's one thing, and expected, that candidates will take jabs at each other during a campaign, but to put down a celebrity who has nothing to do with it (and whose family WERE supporters) show a lack of sense. Think about Jesse Jackson and his old "Hymie-Town" remark -- it shows the same lack of sense, judgement, tact or diplomacy. You would not want this guy making cracks like that about foreign heads of state, but it seems to think that sort of thing is a funny joke.
Isn't it bad enough our government has p*ssed off a good half of the rest of the world already -- do we really want to make it everyone else? "
cm wrote on Aug 6, 2008 6:58 AM:
I finally saw the paris ad, on the net not TV,
If you blink you miss both Paris & Brittany...
it's neither a good or bad ad..
BREW: do you really think the super delegates will turn now and choose Hillary?
It would be funny/shocking after Obama has been spending loads of money on 'vote for me'..
personally I thought Hillary (if she choose the people and not the party)
she should of ran as an independant..but she caved for the party!! "
brew1234 wrote on Aug 6, 2008 2:43 AM:
karl wrote on Aug 6, 2008 12:20 AM:
We're LOOOOONG past the days of fighting against fascism from abroad--it's right here comfortably nestled in the White House and on Wall Street.
If you ARE a WWII vet, I apologize and thank you for your noble service. "
karl wrote on Aug 6, 2008 12:16 AM:
I try not to disappoint! :)
Thank you! "
karl wrote on Aug 5, 2008 9:34 PM:
Those Spyders are novel, but they're no substitute for a two-wheel bike. I wouldn't ride one. "
oldtimer wrote on Aug 5, 2008 9:32 PM:
the Line is so we could listen to
Fools like Karl(know all)&AJ.
These birds learn more by talking
than listening.!!!!!!!!!!!
USMC
FG&CM enjoy your post @least some thought "
cm wrote on Aug 5, 2008 8:15 PM:
http://redneckinthewhitehouse.com/ "
AJ wrote on Aug 5, 2008 7:17 PM:
excnyer wrote on Aug 5, 2008 5:53 PM:
excnyer wrote on Aug 5, 2008 5:30 PM:
Those motorcycles you saw are called "Spyders" and I saw them at Americade in 2007. I think even I could learn to drive one of those!
There is a dealer on Route 281 in Cortland who sells them. "
Hazel Eyez wrote on Aug 5, 2008 4:38 PM:
movedsouth wrote on Aug 5, 2008 3:58 PM:
karl wrote on Aug 5, 2008 3:10 PM:
The best way to find out is to start now.
Chris--Pelosi is stopping the vote because she knows that the "push offshore drilling" crap is pure political theater being paid for by the Oil companies, and secondly, it's simply being used as a desperate rallying cry for a Republican Party that simply has NOTHING else to stand on. Period.
That's my opinion.
You know all that you guys like to harangue me about being a "know-it-all", you sure do seem to think that I have all the answers? LOL! "
movedsouth wrote on Aug 5, 2008 3:00 PM:
cm wrote on Aug 5, 2008 2:42 PM:
I happen to like to room available, especially on long roads trips.
With kids, we can fold in seats, add air-mattress & tv for blissfull trips!
Plus having 2 grandkids, I keep one carseat and a stroller in my van at all times!
I used to own a 95 blazer the first 4doors..bought it new, I loved that vehicle! traded it in for a van,
6 yrs and 208,000 miles later!
(lots of roads trips from CA to NY) "
cm wrote on Aug 5, 2008 2:30 PM:
I usually pay no atention to any of the ads--have yet to see the Paris one.
I dont judge a candidate based on any ads--its all hype and slams.
...I approve this message...
lol "
chris van note wrote on Aug 5, 2008 2:05 PM:
Or how about what to eat, wear, etc...
I have two 110 pound dogs to transport and I can't do that in a Prius.
And since I'm working on my house, how will I get my building materials from the store to home? Maybe I can hire you to come and pull a wagon the 15 miles it is from my place to the hardware store.
The point being that we can have the oil and gas by drilling at home and putting Americans to work. "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Aug 5, 2008 1:53 PM:
karl wrote on Aug 5, 2008 1:42 PM:
Don't buy into the lie that Obama isn't electable! Look--if he WASN'T, the "Swift Boat" scumgbags wouldn't be trying SO HARD with such RIDICULOUS, LOW attack ads against him'
Truth is, they're scared to death that he IS going to win, and they're desperately trying ANYTHING they can to discredit him, no matter how ridiculous!
Want 4 more years of division and partisan politics with a whole dumptruck load of vendettas and gridlock thrown in?
Put Hillary in his place. It will NEVER HAPPEN. "
chris van note wrote on Aug 5, 2008 1:32 PM:
As a matter of fact, I'm buying a coal/wood furnace for my house and my oil furnance is going away. Coal delivered is 25 bucks a ton right now. "
cm wrote on Aug 5, 2008 1:30 PM:
Though we need them NOW we wont get them for years to come.
I can say I don't have 20 grand laying around to go solar! and I believe most middle to poor class don't either!
The 'drill now fad' is due to citizens not fully aware of 'how it works' demanding our officials to do something
NOW.
Though this seems like the easy way/quick fix to most--whom haven't taken the time to READ up on 'laws, epa delays, permits, red tape, costs, and availability of drills/rigs/refineries.
Also adding the factor 'citizens' cannot afford solar or wind, the average person yells DRILL.
I have searched thru many sites, the 2 I posted seem to be a good source of info.
Many areas leased have proved to be duds, yet in order to check deeper, back to red tape.
Areas that have oil, still have years to produce either EPA, or equipment hold-ups.
NO MATTER what good is the majority of it--if it will be sold on the open market?
Overall I think most people put too much faith in their government, thinking they/someone is not only to blame but they will fix it all overnight!
NOT!!
these issues today were discussed with no solutions back in the 70's.
And if we all don't put pressure on our officials/or get them out of office ASAP these issues will be 100 times worse in 30 years to come!
DRILL is not the only answer, however PRODUCE and keep in the USA, aid middle and low class funds to switch to cheaper sources, make our officials accountable for their INACTIONS! "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Aug 5, 2008 1:22 PM:
How's that kind of lack of judgement/lack of care going to fly in the international diplomacy arena?
As a Head of State, you must be diplomatic towards other Heads of State and important persons from other countries even if you think they are total twits -- publically making a joke of them is not going to do wonders for foreign relations.
Chris could use a lot less gasoline right now if he weren't driving a Blazer. What's the average number of passengers per trip in that vehicle? I see so many SUVs, minivans and trucks out on the road ferrying one person back and forth in a ridiculous waste of fuel every day. I know people who buy big trucks for the boost it gives their little egos who then commute 25+ miles each way daily -- just one small guy in a gas-guzzling hog of a truck -- the guy I have in mind ought to be slapped a few times.
cm: About Hess' response: It's a pretty quick response from the corporate level. It's a good sign that they give you an acknowledgement and an idea of where your complaint is in their handling process. Now we wait to see if/when/how the more local people handle it. I am still holding all the possible further actions in reserve unless they drop the ball.
I still don't like Hillary any better than Obama -- she's just as bad about flip-flopping, she's way too hooked up with the pharmaceutical industry, and she is way, way too tied up with Bill, who is a total loose cannon. "
1234567890p wrote on Aug 5, 2008 12:55 PM:
TJ wrote on Aug 5, 2008 12:46 PM:
hmmmm wrote on Aug 5, 2008 12:30 PM:
movedsouth wrote on Aug 5, 2008 12:24 PM:
karl wrote on Aug 5, 2008 12:07 PM:
Knowing full well the uproar that the mere term incited amongst certain elements of the population, I have to argue most emphatically that if all of those slick talking points from that website you posted had any real validity and sincerity behind them, then they would be talking about THEM MUCH MORE than about "Offshore Drilling", dontcha think?!
I mean, it would be much smarter to try to slide that whole O.D. thing by while talking up the other more-reasonable-sounding parts of their "plan", wouldn't you agree?
My "stink" meter is going off big time--or is it dd's fire trucks again? LOL!
EDIT--I just read your post again more carefully Chris, and really--if your REALLY take a minute to assess the collective import of their ideas, it comes down to basically drill, drill, drill; oil, oil, oil. It's dressed up with a lot of "make-nice" language to lube it up to get past the public, but you KNOW the Republiscums won't do anything in an "environmentally-friendly" way! Please!
We need to BREAK our dependence on oil, and it needs to start NOW.
GOBAMA. "
movedsouth wrote on Aug 5, 2008 12:06 PM:
quiveringthigh wrote on Aug 5, 2008 11:48 AM:
chris van note wrote on Aug 5, 2008 11:21 AM:
From the GOP website:
House Republicans will increase the production of American-made energy in an environmentally-safe way. This includes the exploration of next generation oil, natural gas, and coal and the production of advanced alternative fuels like cellulosic and clean coal-to-liquids – all while protecting our natural resources for future generations. House Republicans will also:
• Support actions that reduce America’s dependence on energy from unstable foreign governments and dictatorships by increasing environmentally-safe production of oil and natural gas in areas such as the arctic coastal plain and in deep ocean energy resources; and
• Promote unconventional fuels such as coal-to-liquids technology and recovering our vast oil shale reserves by:
• Increasing access for environmentally responsible development of conventional and unconventional domestic oil and natural gas production;
• Providing coal-to-liquids financing and tax incentives;
• Unlocking two trillion barrels of shale oil on government-owned land in the American West. This access alone would supply Americans gasoline needs and make America totally independent from foreign oil for 200 years.
House Republicans will promote new, clean, and reliable sources of energy like advanced nuclear and next generation coal, while promoting clean power from renewable energy such as wind and hydroelectric power. Nuclear energy has proven itself as a safe, carbon-free and environmentally friendly alternative, with France relying on it for nearly 80 percent of its electricity needs, compared to just 19 percent in America.
House Republicans are committed to cutting red tape and increasing the supply of American-made fuel and energy. Limiting the construction of new oil refineries and bureaucratic regulations mandating the use of exotic fuels have decreased supply and increased the Pelosi Premium.
So, unless I'm going to put a sail on my Blazer or buy a team of mules to pull it, I'm stuck using gasoline for now. Our reliance on oil products
isn't going to change overnight so why not use our own resources instead of relying on the Middle East until we can come up with a viable, cost effective alternative? "
brew1234 wrote on Aug 5, 2008 11:20 AM:
nature lover wrote on Aug 5, 2008 10:55 AM:
"hold tight till the end"...those are all on lp in a closet... "
cm wrote on Aug 5, 2008 10:12 AM:
wheres channel 5 news???? lol.
woeful day at home: I am trying to gather energy to clean, Sciatica has kicked in and just moving is a chore!
daughter is also in her 'high fever' mode which is a monthly ritual. Tons of tests for 2yrs and the best they could come up with is child fever syndrome? "
cm wrote on Aug 5, 2008 9:59 AM:
FG: I have yet to see the ad with Paris, but my opinion is her mom is looking for media attention. Paris hasnt been 'in the news' as much lately especially due to the Jolie-Pitt twins.
AS parents, the Hilton's rank is the nation top 10 WORST EVER!
Karl: the polls also say Obama is now behind 9 points--Maybe America IS waking up..
As for gas prices going down, I wouldnt count on it staying that way. The pump prices are based partly on the sale of oil with the delivery within 2 months. APPRX 2 months ago nearing todays date oil sold cheaper. However July 11th was the highest selling price of 147.27-when that days oil arrives the price will go up. In about October we will pay lower due to the barrel prices being around 120.00 right now.
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/
hist/rwtcd.htm
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/
pet_crd_top.asp
interesting sites to understanding the highs and lows. "
karl wrote on Aug 5, 2008 9:53 AM:
karl wrote on Aug 5, 2008 9:52 AM:
I'm starting to feel that way about McSame.
He is using Karl Rove's handpicked men as advisors, and there's no level to which he will hesitate to sink. His latest round of negative ads is just embarrassingly degrading to himself--but right on par for what we've come to expect from the Republiscums.
He is a man who has evidently sold out every last principle he once possessed, and is so desperate to win the WHite House that he will sell his soul or his loyalty to the highest (or LOWEST!) bidder.
What a genuine rat! "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Aug 5, 2008 9:38 AM:
I have received a positive reply from corporate:
"Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience that may have been caused. We have documented this as a formal complaint and forwarded your message to the appropriate people in our Retail Operations group for handling. We would appreciate your forwarding your telephone number so we can have the site manager or local Marketing Rep contact you. Thank you for bringing this matter to our attention and affording us the opportunity to rectify this situation and retain your business."
I'll keep everyone posted. "
karl wrote on Aug 5, 2008 9:33 AM:
The Republican, who represent the "old" ways, and who want to keep the Oil companies in power and control, and then the Democrats, who want the nation to move forward and find a way to restore some autonomy to people to dictate their own energy choices.
That's why this election is so important--we have a choice between the status quo, and the new ideas for progress.
And that's why McSAME is a bad choice--he represents the stagnation and hopelessness of the dying economy and a way of doing things that is proving to be unsustainable.
GOBAMA! "
karl wrote on Aug 5, 2008 9:29 AM:
Seriously--do you get this--I'm over that "need" for validation that you still feel, so get over it. By the way, I don't have any of "your" songs on my Ipod and I know I NEVER WILL--LMFAO!
Pat Benatar rocks!
Rage Against the Machine S-U-C-K-S. How many times can you repeat the same line before you sound like an idiot who can't write lyrics? Never had any use for them whatsoever. Next? "
TJ wrote on Aug 5, 2008 8:37 AM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Aug 5, 2008 7:54 AM:
My favorite is Paris Hilton's mom, who gave more than $4,000 to McCain's campaign earlier this year, lambasting the ads McCain used to mock Obama as a mere, air-headed celebrity -- using Paris Hilton as an example! Talk about stupid and biting the hand that feeds you, LOL! "
quiveringthigh wrote on Aug 5, 2008 12:23 AM:
karl wrote on Aug 4, 2008 11:51 PM:
movedsouth wrote on Aug 4, 2008 8:08 PM:
movedsouth wrote on Aug 4, 2008 7:06 PM:
karl wrote on Aug 4, 2008 7:05 PM:
I say,...when you figure in enormous campaign contributions to all the Republican lackeys, golf trips to Scotland, Bridges to Nowhere, named Libraries, Zoos and other institutions, I'd say the cost will run to at least a billion dollars?
Eh--what's a billion dollars to the Oil Companies anyway? Just a drop in the bucket! "
karl wrote on Aug 4, 2008 7:00 PM:
Besides, what the hell would they be leasing the land for if they don't have rights to drill on it? What are they doing--planting wildflowers and raising honeybees on it? Give me a break, Queenie; your argument is laughable!
Shouldn't they at least be exploring and drilling WHERE THEY HAVE ALREADY LEASED in the FIRST place, instead of just risking the destruction of more sensitive areas?
Unlike you who probably got your information from Faux News, I watched Obama's speech today where he addressed the "flip flop" charge--he admitted it was a compromise bill, and that he didn't like it, but saw the need to compromise to at least move forward some proposals to break the Oil addiction.
On the other hand, McCain has so totally embraced the Bog Oil agenda and his flip flop was so severe that I'm surprised he didn't break his neck!
Look--I realize that you guys HAVE to support this bogus idea simply because the candidate you support has polarized the race on it and made it the center of his campaign, but the whole idea is a patent give-away to the Oil companies who smell the change in the air that's going to come if Barack is elected.
Seriously, don't be led by these charlatans! "
movedsouth wrote on Aug 4, 2008 6:47 PM:
movedsouth wrote on Aug 4, 2008 5:10 PM:
movedsouth wrote on Aug 4, 2008 5:08 PM:
theking wrote on Aug 4, 2008 5:06 PM:
karl wrote on Aug 4, 2008 5:00 PM:
They're betting that people like you will see that and think "Oh! The price went down at the mere MENTION! Imagaine what would happen if we drill offshore in reality!"
Come on. Get real.
Solar, Hydrogen cells, Clean Coal technology--there are a LOT of alternate sources we can develope, but the Oil companies don't want that to happen!
Do you know that a guy invented a gasoline engine that got 80 mpg a dozen years ago, BUT THE OIL COMPANIES BOUGHT THE PATENTS!
Where is it? Buried in some vault in the Oil companies' Presidents' vaults!
ANDY--true, but listening to McCain and the Republiscum, you'd never know that? Of course we can't just stop drilling or using oil, but Offshore drilling is NOT the answer. "
MISSEY1941 wrote on Aug 4, 2008 4:26 PM:
I think it's NOW!!! "
movedsouth wrote on Aug 4, 2008 4:05 PM:
Andy b wrote on Aug 4, 2008 3:28 PM:
Pickens also said that we should be using all forms of domestic energy. Including increased production in domestic oil and natural gas. When he said we can't drill our way out of this he meant that it's not the only thing we should be doing. "
dd wrote on Aug 4, 2008 2:50 PM:
dd wrote on Aug 4, 2008 2:44 PM:
nature lover wrote on Aug 4, 2008 2:17 PM:
Idiots indeed!! I d/n propose that ANY postions be cut - that was the prose brought about by AJ, (aka cranial magic). I dont believe anyone should lose their jobs - period. But as I stated earlier, the state s/b more frugal with positions salaried off the public dime. The Empire plan is terribly bloated and ridiculous: ie pensions be replaced with 401k plans, medical benes during work and after retiring n/t/b scaled down. Also there are stories of tenured teachers that have committed felonies, yet their salaries and bene's continue. If the pork of a state job were trimmed there would be more to go around.
TY, NL "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Aug 4, 2008 1:50 PM:
Just saw a bit the other day (on someone else's TV while I was waiting to watch the Football Hall of Fame exhibition game) on how even if they are convicted of a felony, Congressional Representatives and Senators can still collect their pensions. So, even if they committed a crime against the public trust, and were convicted and sent to jail for it, they can still collect their pensions on the public dime until they die. There are soem lawmakers putting forward new legislation to change that, but so far, they've only passed very limted restrictions (only a handful of narrowly defined crimes apply), and it was not retroactive, so any convicted Congressional felons, including one person who was convicted of manslaughter, can keep right on collecting his/her pension from us.
Something despicable from our government every time you turn around.... "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Aug 4, 2008 1:40 PM:
http://consumerist.com/5031023/4-ways-gas-pumps-screw-you
It explains the mechanical reason for why it might happen the way it did to me -- the problem is in the clerk's response. She should have been expressed concern that the pump wasn't working right and indicated that she would be sure management would take steps to have it fixed. "
movedsouth wrote on Aug 4, 2008 12:55 PM:
1234567890p wrote on Aug 4, 2008 12:50 PM:
karl wrote on Aug 4, 2008 12:47 PM:
The "Offshore Drilling" canard is being pushed as if there's some lack of energy, or lack of oil here ie, a "shortage".
There is not, and every knowledgeable person say so.
The fact is, the oil companies don't WANT to bring the prices down, or they would be building more refineries, and more ways to drill the MILLIONS OF ACRES THAT THEY ALREADY OWN AND HAVE LEFT UNTAPPED!
This whole "drill now and the price will come down" is a bogus claim.
Of course, the oil companies and their traders will bring the price down on the mere mention of a proposal, but that's to prod and control the discussion. DOn't be so naive as to buy into it. The only thing drilling offshore will do is suspend or delay the inevitable--the fact that if we want to lower the price of energy, we have to develope alternate form s of it.
Once again, Obama is right on this--he correctly stated that even Big Oil magnate T. Boone Pickens said "This is one crisis we can't drill our way out of".
That has the ring of Truth to it.
On the other hand, McCain is so in the pocket of Big Oil that he's picking the lint from between his teeth. "
1234567890p wrote on Aug 4, 2008 12:45 PM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Aug 4, 2008 12:42 PM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Aug 4, 2008 11:56 AM:
Hang on and give them a chance to respond first -- please.
Thanks! "
movedsouth wrote on Aug 4, 2008 11:55 AM:
nature lover wrote on Aug 4, 2008 10:53 AM:
u asked for an intelligent response but as per usual u come back with your usual "I am right/u are wrong" crap. So I am sorry I decided to attempt an intelligent discussion with you. No I was past the "diaper" stage in 1971 but at an age where school was what I was doing.
From now on I will just bypass your posts as diaper fill because you, my fellow poster are the one without a clue.
Remember age is NOT synonymous with wisdom. "
AJ wrote on Aug 4, 2008 9:00 AM:
" Come back when u have something intelligent to say...my my we are still full of the ol' cracked cranial sepage huh?
welp my take is cut the guards. Both are tuff jobs that I have respect for but the nurses are educated and not just anyone can walk off the street to fill in. I feel that as the population ages so will the nurse need. Prisoners need to have "rights" removed so that guards can actually do their jobs."
You were probably in diapers when Attica was an issue so I suppose you can be forgiven for not having a clue. "
karl wrote on Aug 4, 2008 8:47 AM:
Essentially what they're doing is running up the price as a way to force this Offshore Drilling issue, in order to prevent and forestall the production of new, cleaner, more efficient forms of energy.
Some oil-pushing nutjob was on "Morning Joe" this morning saying that we should be drilling off the coast of California because the "oil seepage" from the ocean floor is polluting the beaches.
Uh, yyyyeah. OK.
Gimme a break! "
karl wrote on Aug 4, 2008 8:05 AM:
karl wrote on Aug 4, 2008 8:03 AM:
Any company that will blatanly screw the consumers in such a fashion deserves to be put out of business.
I hope everyine will spread the word, and BOYCOTT HESS!!!! "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Aug 4, 2008 7:34 AM:
I appreciate all the tips, and the confirmation that someone else also had a problem there. I wrote to Hess Corporation and gave them a week to respond, so I will wait the week to give them a chance to do right -- then I'll get on the horn to Weights and Measures, Better Business Bureau, etc.
Yes, Coach, some people actually have attention spans healthy enough to read a few paragraphs.
"Those who don't read are no better off than those who can't read." "
cm wrote on Aug 4, 2008 7:29 AM:
As well as reaing yours!
I think the state cuts need to begin at the TOP--first their (state) wasted spending, then THEIR pay increases every year, and their travel expenses, or any other JOB expenses they add to the budgets.
There must be an OVERFLOW of infrastructure monies due to gas being so high But watch how they abuse that money!
the citizen printed the web sites to 'check on the state finaces'
I bet we could ALL find areas to CUT and it wont be guards or nurses. "
hmmmm wrote on Aug 3, 2008 7:52 PM:
coach7811 wrote on Aug 3, 2008 7:26 PM:
nature lover wrote on Aug 3, 2008 7:25 PM:
welp my take is cut the guards. Both are tuff jobs that I have respect for but the nurses are educated and not just anyone can walk off the street to fill in. I feel that as the population ages so will the nurse need. Prisoners need to have "rights" removed so that guards can actually do their jobs. I just wish the state did not negotiate such ridiculous pensions and medical bene's during and after retirement for state workers. Pensions are a throwback to another time and should be dropped and workplace 401's s/b implimented. If the state revamped JUST that, the millions saved would be astronomical. I handle Empire thru a private corp and what a 'test job' gets u in gluttony for not much professionalism is bizarre.
and lets NOT go cut/paste happy shall we? "
coach7811 wrote on Aug 3, 2008 7:22 PM:
nature lover wrote on Aug 3, 2008 6:44 PM:
http://abcnews.go.com/gma
it wasnt last week but was either of the two weeks prior to last...and weights and measures was mentioned. Perhaps that station hasnt been inspected in a while - so they could be honest and just not know. We get fuel at BJ's and that alone really does take care of the annual membership fee. "
justventing wrote on Aug 3, 2008 5:24 PM:
violet70 wrote on Aug 3, 2008 5:10 PM:
something similar happened to my husband at hess a while back. He was charged for 13.25 gallons of gas when he went to fill up. He had about 1/4 of a tank, and the tank is a 12 gallon one!!! He encountered this at both Hess stations in Auburn and another one in elbridge. He has since stopped going to hess for gas. "
brew1234 wrote on Aug 3, 2008 4:25 PM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Aug 3, 2008 4:13 PM:
Also, I laughed when I read the end of your post the first time -- I thought you were questioning of leggy women with long red hair were legal! ;-) Have to be more careful with my reading, but it did give me a good chuckle for a moment.
I did see a very different story on gas stations in some other states where they advertise one price, but if you use your debit card, the pump sets to a higher price and if you don't look for it, you won't notice. Some states allow this practice, but they have to post the difference in prices prominently. That one had me shaking my head, as I have seen places in this state where they charge you more if you use cash (and hence can't do the transaction in an automated fashion from the pump).
Side note: There is also concern on how safe it is to use a credit or debit card at a gas station. The pumps gather the password info, then pass it via wireless back to a server in the station, which sends it on to be checked -- and they have caught many stations which don't have that wireless transmission of your credit and debit card info sufficiently secured -- identity thieves with wireless rigs can pick it up and steal it easily. Let's hope they've cracked down on that one.
movedsouth: You know, I am sure there may be a small amount of gas in the hose -- I saved the receipt for my $0.06 transaction and it claimed it was for .02 gallons of gas. I have used pumps where you pull the trigger and there is a delay while the hose primes and before gas starts coming out. But in this case, I had not even pulled the trigger. Nothing was priming, nothing was happening at all and I was being charged. The point here is that I am paying for the amount stuck in the hose not once but twice while only getting it into my car once, and the next customer will be paying for the very same bit of gas stuck in the hose for which I already paid once (the bit stuck in the hose at the end).
Hess has an excellent reputation overall, so I wonder if it is the specific station -- perhaps it is a franchise or something. Still, they were always good up until now, so perhaps it was the clerk, whom I've never seen before. It was just very unexpected to me to have something like this happen at this particular station, so it has me wondering if it were sanctioned by management, or a scam happening somewhere down the chain of command.... (Don't the guys in the movie Office Space get filthy rich due to some computer error that gives them a tiny fraction of a penny on each transaction)?
cm -- yep, airports are pricey. I paid $11 for my one white Irishman which costs me $4.50 at the Utopia Club (and a lot less when I have it at home!) "
cm wrote on Aug 3, 2008 3:10 PM:
...that was back in the day...
nature: I think certin models are street legal, I have seen a few around here, but here they must have license plates on them.. "
cm wrote on Aug 3, 2008 3:06 PM:
funny they would be nearing NY in the time it took me to get home! lol
airports these days are mini-malls only with ahigher mark-up! I had to buy niece a pair of flip-flops, hers broke in the check-in line--a mere 12.99, then 22.00 at Mcds, 4.00 tolls, and 10.00 parking.
the parking was a joke 1.00 per 20 minutes--no one could possibly park and get to the terminal in 20 minutes-atleast NOT at this huge airport!! basically it costs a dollar to just park in a spot!!
HESS: I have never ever seen anything but ZEROS on the pump--I always look too, with the newer pumps I am never sure if I pushed all the buttons right.
I am sure that it cant be legal.
I cant wait to hear what they outcome is! "
nature lover wrote on Aug 3, 2008 2:24 PM:
Upon coming back to sunny Auburn after another siesta, I see a dirt bike careening up genny stopping at Angelos. Off it struts a leggy woman with long red hair...now are they legal for the regular road? "
quiveringthigh wrote on Aug 3, 2008 2:02 PM:
AJ wrote on Aug 3, 2008 1:26 PM:
movedsouth wrote on Aug 3, 2008 11:34 AM:
AJ wrote on Aug 3, 2008 11:24 AM:
Maybe they got tossed with the idea that big government is bad or something. "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Aug 3, 2008 11:07 AM:
This morning I stopped by the Hess station on Grant Ave. I swiped my debit card, unhooked the hose and lifted the handle. Before I had done another thing, before I had squeezed the trigger, before I had dispensed even one drop of gas, the pump registered $0.06
I was miffed. I put the hose back and went into the store. I told the clerk that I had not dispensed any gas but there was $0.06 on the meter. Instead of apologizing and doing something to correct the situation, she informed me I was being charged for a "certain amount" of gas which was in the hose already.
First, I don't buy that. I told her so and left to get my gas elsewhere.
But, just for the sake of argument, let's say it's true. The customer is charged first for the $0.06 worth of gas in the pump, then additionally for every drop of gas pumped up from the tank below -- which includes another $0.06 worth of gas which will be stuck in the pump until the next customer comes along and which is not dispensed into the first customer's car.
That means customer #1 would be charged for $0.06 of gas which s/he never got because it was still stuck in the hose at the end of the transaction. Additionally, the next customer will also pay for that $0.06 worth of gas, so Hess collects twice on it, while the customer goes home short of that for which what s/he paid.
It's a tiny amount of money to each person, but it adds up when you consider the volume of customers in and out of there every day, at every pump.
I came right home and wrote to the Hess Corporation, to give them the opportunity to correct the situation and make an apology to their Auburn customers. In all fairness, they should be given that opportunity to make good.
But I will keep folks here posted on what I hear back, when I hear back, if I hear back. In the meantime, feel free to tell the folks at that station just what you think of them nickel-n-dime cheating their customers when gas prices are already plenty high enough.
If I don't get an acceptable response, I will write to the Better Business Bureau as well as sending a real United States Postal letter to The Citizen to be sure I reach as many people as possible about this dishonest practice.
Has anyone else experienced this at this station or elsewhere? It happened to me once at a Sunoco A Plus station in Ithaca, but when I complained, they tooks steps to make it up to me AND they checked and found the equipment was faulty and they had it fixed. They didn't make like it was just some kind of reasonable and fair policy.
I've been a customer at that Hess station for more years than I can recall, and have always heretofore had very good service. The fella they used to have behind the counter on the early mornings (or afternoons on weekends when I was commuting to football practice in Syracuse some years ago) was always very pleasant and friendly. Hess tends to have one of the best prices on gas, and their restrooms are always clean if you need one.
But this latest is not acceptable -- let's see if they can be moved to rectify the wrong -- not just the measly six cents charged to my debit card for nothing, but to all their customers since this practice was put in place. "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Aug 3, 2008 9:13 AM:
cm wrote on Aug 3, 2008 7:01 AM:
I dont think cities like Auburn who have prisons, want any type of riot or escapes.
crime is way too high and will continue to grow, due to todays economy.
With loss of jobs & homes more middle class will become poor.
Divorce rates will double, and so will domestic violence.
The cities will also be forced to hire more police and build more jails.
Our 535 spent hundreds of hours only to NOT make a decision on one simple fact: to drill or Not to drill.
the 535 are wasting time and money, that could be better invested for the good of all. "
AJ wrote on Aug 3, 2008 3:20 AM:
Why has noone commented on this story that I posted earlier? Seems like important stuff to me.
http://911blogger.com/node/16912 "
AJ wrote on Aug 3, 2008 12:51 AM:
AJ wrote on Aug 2, 2008 1:21 PM:
" "By the Way", Chris Van Note - here is something I borrowed from elsewhere. Please note the attribution. hahahahaha
Liberal vision has helped build the country. C.E. Owen, an 80-year-old from Canton, Ga., recently wrote in the Atlanta Constitution, "All of us should thank God every day for the stout-hearted liberals of the 1930s and 1940s. The liberals brought electric lights and indoor plumbing to our farm homes." They also brought the Civil Rights Act and Social Security, women's right to vote, bank-deposit insurance, and the Peace Corps. The list goes on and on.
"By the way" - I did not write this. You can see the rest at:
http://www.yosemitedems.net/Liberal.html " "
AJ wrote on Aug 3, 2008 12:13 AM:
Come back when you have something intelligent to say.
AJ "
cm wrote on Aug 2, 2008 11:50 PM:
I took the kids to a sewing lesson at the local craft store--they made a pillow case and loved it! I loved the 3 hrs of quiet! lol...
getting the 2 packed up for their flight home tomorrow-neither have ever flown--I hope they dont throw up!
I am not looking forward to 'traffic city' which I have to pass to get to the international airport-on a weekend this could be an hour backup!
the last time I was there, I locked the keys in the car with it still running! Plus it was my in-laws car and they were on vacation in NY..You have no idea how long it takes AAA when its someone else car, and they are out of state!!
I told them to just call the police, it would be faster!
I honestly didnt steal the car, and calling 20 numbers was because they were hard to track down--this was well before cell phones became 'the fad'
lol... "