While she's begging America to pay for her credit cards, Hillary is bragging that she and her husband have made $109 million since they left office, and that some little 9-year-old sold her bicycle to help pay Hillary's credit cards off.
The cover of the New Yorker Magazine is very truthful and tells the truth about what the future of this country might hold. The magazine isn't worth buying but take a look at the picture.
Quill, Brower and McNabb are running this city as if they were running the cities of Havana, Cuba, Ithaca, N.Y., San Francisco, Calf., or Harlem, N.Y. They care nothing about the regular people, the taxpayers.
The fools running the city council tell the public that they must choose between raising gasoline taxes or raising property taxes. But they don't tell us there's a third alternative: Lower some of the wasteful spending the City of Auburn does.
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AJ wrote on Jul 19, 2008 5:59 AM:
There are no doubt numerous possibilities as to why the spraying is being done. Atmospheric spraying by the government is certainly nothing new. In one experiment during the 50's or 60's (I do not remember the name of the program) the government sprayed bacteriological agents in the San Francisco Bay area, resulting in the death of at least one person, and many others became seriously ill.
Of course, you no doubt think I am wearing my tin foil hat again, but the fact is the government ended up admitting to this.
Anyhow, I ran across this link which appears to be good information on the topic, though I cannot vouch for the rest of the site.
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20080112.htm "
AJ wrote on Jul 19, 2008 5:22 AM:
" Per AJ:
"And chemtrails ARE real. It's just that noone will admit to what they are for. I have personally seen them on several occasions, both here in Auburn and on the west coast over ten years ago."
I have to admit I finally googled some crap mentioned by the soothsayer and found this:
"The not-so-secret chemtrail spraying program, intended to keep us from attaining higher spiritual awareness/consciousness, to reduce ethnically targeted populations worldwide, and to induce bioengineered disease organisms in order to reap staggering profits for the pharmaceutical cartels is apparently failing- and failing badly. I have seen the evidence here in southern...etc
**U R MAD AJ**"
I'm mad? Well, coming from someone who has zero reading comprehension I guess I shouldn't be surprised to be accused of that by you.
Tell me, SFB, where I even speculated as to what the chemtrails are for? How is it that you associate my comments with something you "google up" that I have never even read or commented on? You are not thinking very clearly NL, but that is not surprising. I'll put this all in a nutshell for all you nutcases out there:
I have seen chemtrails, and I know the difference between chemtrails and contrails. I do not know what the chemtrails are for, nor did I ever suggest that I do.
That said, here is a link which you might find interesting. (personally, I have not looked at the issue for several years until now). This link which I just found is EXACTLY what I personally witnessed in this area more than once.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5dyZ7AR55Y "
brew1234 wrote on Jul 19, 2008 12:03 AM:
karl wrote on Jul 18, 2008 10:53 PM:
karl wrote on Jul 18, 2008 10:51 PM:
Your "bad" WHAT. Chris?
"BAD" IS NOT A NOUN!!!!!!
INVEST IN A DICTIONARY!!!!
Let's all talk without finishing our. Could you imagine what would? People wouldn't know WHAT the heck you were trying to. If we don't confront this violation of the English language, we might as well be all speaking in a foreign. "
nature lover wrote on Jul 18, 2008 9:41 PM:
"And chemtrails ARE real. It's just that noone will admit to what they are for. I have personally seen them on several occasions, both here in Auburn and on the west coast over ten years ago."
I have to admit I finally googled some crap mentioned by the soothsayer and found this:
"The not-so-secret chemtrail spraying program, intended to keep us from attaining higher spiritual awareness/consciousness, to reduce ethnically targeted populations worldwide, and to induce bioengineered disease organisms in order to reap staggering profits for the pharmaceutical cartels is apparently failing- and failing badly. I have seen the evidence here in southern...etc
**U R MAD AJ**
Yes, QT, he has attained fully enlarged berries recently...
AJ I still swear u are that moron in town here that wears those multicolored stretch pants and claims he is a "promoter"...
U know if there is this HUGE worldwide conspiracy theory goin' on "because China is being groomed by the NWO to replace the United States as the leading nation of the world, both economically and militarily." Then tell me AJ ol' wise one, WTF r we supposed to do about it? Do u EVER relax or is everything out to GET us? oooh watch that nasty housefly has an agenda...u r too funny... "
movedsouth wrote on Jul 18, 2008 8:51 PM:
AJ wrote on Jul 18, 2008 8:06 PM:
" Come on, Pelosi chiding Bush while the overall rating for the congress she "leads" is 9%?
What has Nancy done to help things?
Since she took over gas prices have risen 75%. Yet in November 2006, House Speaker-elect Nancy Pelosi issued a press release touting the Democrats' "common-sense plan to help bring down skyrocketing gas prices."
Average price of gasoline was $1.78 in Jan 2001. (GOP Congress)
Average price of gasoline was $2.00 in Jan 2007. (the month the Dems took over congress)
So, in the 6 years of a GOP controlled congress, gas rose .22 cents.
Since Pelosi and crew started running the show, prices have risen from $2.00 to $4.00 plus. Nice job Nancy."
You're telling me that I have a reading comprehension problem? If that isn't the most Machiavellian thing I've heard all day.
Your incorrect numbers aside, I said "meaningful" data. How is it you so conveniently ignore a couple of months prior to the election, when the price was $3.03 / $3.00 in Jul/Aug 2006.
Except that it would skew your assertions and put a considerable dent in your point. Let's not let facts get in the way of making a point, right Chris? "
movedsouth wrote on Jul 18, 2008 8:06 PM:
quiveringthigh wrote on Jul 18, 2008 7:43 PM:
Have fun wasting hours searching the internet, looking for long boring things to cut and paste. I just think you "jr. politicians" need to step up to the plate and run for office. Just think of how many people you can broadcast your boring topics to.
Have a nice day, aj(jr. politician) "
chris van note wrote on Jul 18, 2008 7:41 PM:
The cost of gas in Jan. 2001 was $1.48.
The cost of gas in Jan. 2006 was $2.36.
The cost of gas in Jan. 2008 was $3.09.
And finally, the average cost of gas as of Jun. 2008 nationally was $4.10.
So, since Pelosi took over, gas has increased $1.74 per gallon. That means the cost of a gallon of gas has almost doubled.
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/mg_tt_usM.htm
Did you get your orgone generator yet? Maybe you and Cynthia McKinney can do some shopping together, then hop back in your mystery machine van and find Tupac's killer. "
AJ wrote on Jul 18, 2008 7:25 PM:
" Is it me, or has AJ become mouthier, since Karl came back?? "
Yes, it is you. Are you just trying to distract people's attention away from coulter's 2+2=5 gas price issue that I raised?
Movedsouth - did you even bother to proofread your post for any amount of grammar or logic? Wow! I'd ask for some of what you're smoking, but it really seems a bit too dangerous. "
movedsouth wrote on Jul 18, 2008 6:47 PM:
quiveringthigh wrote on Jul 18, 2008 6:36 PM:
AJ wrote on Jul 18, 2008 6:10 PM:
" Aj: I am curious about your post:
have seen jets "spraying" on numerous occasions, at relatively low altitudes while criss-crossing the sky. I watched as these low altitude trails continued to hang in the air and spread out over time - they were not dissipating as one would expect a normal contrail to do. I've seen them last as long as an hour or more."
WHEN YOU SAW THIS HAPPEN --WHO DID YOU CALL? EPA?
Any type of city/state/Gov. official? "
cm, it would have been pointless since the government has been denying this for years. AFAIK, there were some attempts by certain members of Congress to investigate the matter only to be stonewalled - this was back in the 90's. "
cm wrote on Jul 18, 2008 5:44 PM:
have seen jets "spraying" on numerous occasions, at relatively low altitudes while criss-crossing the sky. I watched as these low altitude trails continued to hang in the air and spread out over time - they were not dissipating as one would expect a normal contrail to do. I've seen them last as long as an hour or more."
WHEN YOU SAW THIS HAPPEN --WHO DID YOU CALL? EPA?
Any type of city/state/Gov. official? "
cm wrote on Jul 18, 2008 5:36 PM:
adding to your comment:
"It was mortgage companies trying to make a fast buck by lending to anyone who could fill out a form."
It was Obama's buddy on his "find me a vice-pres" committee
(James Johnson aka countrywide lender)
--that as soon as the news hit the fan he too cowardly denounced his title of aiding Obama! "
AJ wrote on Jul 18, 2008 5:26 PM:
Why do you insist on demonstrating your inability or unwillingness to comprehend such simple things?
Do I really have to point out the problems with your interpretation of the data, besides the fact you were exaggerating and the numbers YOU used do not even show up in the data in the link you provided? And FYI, I am not questioning the data itself.
I don't think it can get any clearer than this - coulter is a moron/liar/idealogue/nutcase. Take your pick.
I just want to encourage everyone to follow Coulter's link and see the data for yourselves, if you want a good laugh. HINT - look at the numbers he presented and compare, but also make note of the average prices (you'll need your spreadsheet for this) and also take note of the PRE-2006 election prices.
Unbelievable!! "
cm wrote on Jul 18, 2008 5:02 PM:
He should be allowed the same as McCain and if he wants double then HE should pay the balance NOT US!!! "
theking wrote on Jul 18, 2008 4:49 PM:
chris van note wrote on Jul 18, 2008 4:44 PM:
Woohoo! Where can I gets myself a orgone generator? AJ, is it something Home Depot, Lowes or the One North Psychiatric Facility keeps in stock? "
chris van note wrote on Jul 18, 2008 4:29 PM:
Here you go, check away, its all there in black and white.
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/mg_tt_usM.htm
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/cpi.toc.htm
Lemme guess, since I'm using the gov's Consumer Price Index and Energy Information Administration, the evil Bush regime fudged the numbers...or something like that.
Really AJ, it must stink to get mugged by reality all the time. "
Leon Kapowski wrote on Jul 18, 2008 4:27 PM:
Oh noes, it must be the chemtrails!!!11!!!! OMGBBQLOL!!!!!!! "
AJ wrote on Jul 18, 2008 4:12 PM:
movedsouth wrote on Jul 18, 2008 3:36 PM:
chris van note wrote on Jul 18, 2008 3:22 PM:
What has Nancy done to help things?
Since she took over gas prices have risen 75%. Yet in November 2006, House Speaker-elect Nancy Pelosi issued a press release touting the Democrats' "common-sense plan to help bring down skyrocketing gas prices."
Average price of gasoline was $1.78 in Jan 2001. (GOP Congress)
Average price of gasoline was $2.00 in Jan 2007. (the month the Dems took over congress)
So, in the 6 years of a GOP controlled congress, gas rose .22 cents.
Since Pelosi and crew started running the show, prices have risen from $2.00 to $4.00 plus. Nice job Nancy.
Iraq-we are winning/won the war. Nancy and Harry Reid declared the war lost and the surge a failure. Hmmmm...
Economy-not in a recession right now, but not good either. We still have low unemployment rates and how much can you blame the Government for the economics of supply and demand? We have peaks and valleys and we were on the peak for many, many years. Primarily the housing issues started the ball rolling, but that wasn't Bush's fault.
It was mortgage companies trying to make a fast buck by lending to anyone who could fill out a form. "
dd wrote on Jul 18, 2008 3:00 PM:
karl wrote on Jul 18, 2008 2:31 PM:
"You know, God bless him, bless his heart, president of the United States, a total failure, losing all credibility with the American people on the economy, on the war, on energy, you name the subject," Pelosi replied. She then tsk-tsked Bush for "challenging Congress when we are trying to sweep up after his mess over and over and over again."
Cynthia McKinney sounds like a similarly enlightened, intelligent woman.
Both of them are smart enough to see through the criminality and smokescreens of the Bush Racket.
VOTE OBAMA 08!!!!!!
GOOOOO OBAMA!!!!! "
movedsouth wrote on Jul 18, 2008 2:04 PM:
Leon Kapowski wrote on Jul 18, 2008 1:18 PM:
chris van note wrote on Jul 18, 2008 12:42 PM:
Good article about the current energy issues going on. From the article:
Don't worry, though, congressional Democrats have a bold plan. Hold on for 10 or 15 years and they'll have a bounty of energy options. They promise. But no oil shale. No clean coal. No nuclear power. And definitely no more oil.
They will not enable your revolting, inefficient lifestyle. In the short-term, offshore drilling, especially, is a pie-in-the-sky fairy tale. Unlike, say, pond scum and hydrogen fuel packs.
On the bright side, it seems that reality is beginning to overtake fantasy. This week, Newt Gingrich's American Solutions for Winning the Future group delivered 1.3 million signatures to Congress, demanding that Washington allow more drilling. A recent Zogby International polls shows 74 percent of likely voters support offshore drilling in U.S. coastal waters, and 59 percent favor drilling for oil in the tundra of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
There are few issues in America that offer this kind of impressive "unity." But apparently when unity doesn't align with left-wing orthodoxy, we need more "leadership" to explain why we're wrong.
Presumptive presidential nominee Barack Obama called offshore drilling a "gimmick." According to other Democrats, prices would not be affected for five years and oil companies probably would not use the leases anyway.
and:
So why can't Americans look forward to more domestic oil? Well, because carbon is bad for you. Because countless Democrats believe that high prices will help wean us off this terrible addiction.
For many, environmental concerns outweigh the economic well-being of citizens. For some, the migratory paths of caribou trump your selfish habit of heating and cooling your home.
No, drilling isn't "the answer." Yet, the potential positives from increasing domestic supply outweigh any concerns of the opposition. Certainly any they can talk about in public. "
chris van note wrote on Jul 18, 2008 12:28 PM:
Now I see why AJ likes her....
Some history on this wacko:
Appearing with Louis Farrakhan, calling globalization a "cruel hoax," advocating for Zimbabwean dictator Robert Mugabe and this statement on a radio show in 2002:
"We know there were numerous warnings of the events to come on September 11," McKinney said that day. "What did this administration know and when did it know it, about the events of September 11? Who else knew, and why did they not warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered? What do they have to hide?" McKinney thought she knew the answer. "What is undeniable," she explained, "is that corporations close to the administration have directly benefited from the increased defense spending arising from the aftermath of September 11th."
This is the same woman arrested for slapping a US Capital police officer, wasted time and money by introducing a bill to provide for the "expeditious disclosure of records relevant to the life and death of Tupac Amaru Shakur," the rapper murdered in Las Vegas in 1996.
Racebaiter: Check
Plays the race card when convenient: Check
9/11 Truther: Check
Anti-semite: Check
All around nutjob: Check "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Jul 18, 2008 12:20 PM:
To all the people who think America is such a bad place to live -- never give up trying to fix the flaws. That's why we have voting rights. "
karl wrote on Jul 18, 2008 11:55 AM:
Andy, how do you get Internet service on that planet you're living on.
And what galaxy is that?
Certainly not Earth?!
Defend this ridiculous bit of foolishness please? "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Jul 18, 2008 11:43 AM:
http://www.secretservice.gov/history.shtml
Protection began for presidential candidate Illinois Senator Barack Obama in May, the earliest initiation of Secret Service protection for any candidate in history. Presidential candidate New York Senator Hillary Clinton already received protection before she entered the race due to her status as former first lady. "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Jul 18, 2008 11:40 AM:
http://www.secretservice.gov/faq.shtml#faq2
By law, the Secret Service is authorized to protect:
The president, the vice president, (or other individuals next in order of succession to the Office of the President), the president-elect and vice president-elect
The immediate families of the above individuals
Former presidents, their spouses, except when the spouse re-marries
Children of former presidents until age 16
Visiting heads of foreign states or governments and their spouses traveling with them, other distinguished foreign visitors to the United States, and official representatives of the United States performing special missions abroad
Major presidential and vice presidential candidates, and their spouses within 120 days of a general presidential election
Other individuals as designated per Executive Order of the President and
National Special Security Events, when designated as such by the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security
[Emphasis added] "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Jul 18, 2008 11:37 AM:
coach7811 wrote on Jul 18, 2008 11:30 AM:
AJ wrote on Jul 18, 2008 11:29 AM:
AS for Obama. I think we all need to be VERY careful here. Look at his advisers - that should tell the whole story. ms coulter should be impressed since it will most likely mean more of the same - war. Think back to Jimmy Carter and the creation of Al Qeada. I do not trust him, but for far different reasons than ms coulter. Coulter, I should think would be very happy with an Obama presidency, except for his, er, her, racism.
The best candidate out there right now is McKinney. But I am not optimistic about her chances as long as she continues to be marginalized (they always do that to any candidate that represents a serious threat to the status quo), and as long as people buy into the notion that she hasn't a chance, which is a self-fulfilling prophecy projected on the public by the corporate owned media system. "
quiveringthigh wrote on Jul 18, 2008 11:29 AM:
" QT if you have nothing intelligent to say then say nothing. Or to bring it down to your level, shut up unless you have a point. "
Ok, Brew, you are ignorant. It makes you mad, that I don't agree with you, so you get angry and tell me I have nothing intelligent to say. So what if I don't care for Tubman. I think it's nice for what she did, but to glorify and immortalize her is absurd. She has her house and a plaque that honors her. What more do you want? It sounds like a personal issue with you. What is it that Tubman did that makes you go ballistic when someone else doesn't agree with an opinion? I don't go around and put people on pedestals. I am glad for any human that has let the world know what they did in their life. I know quite a bit of people that I feel are truly amazing and genuine. Maybe you should do something to give your existence some worthiness. "
1234567890p wrote on Jul 18, 2008 11:11 AM:
AJ wrote on Jul 18, 2008 11:09 AM:
For your information, (not that it will do you any good) contrails dissipate within a matter of minutes and DO NOT spread out over vast areas, and they DO NOT form under (roughly) 30,000'.
I have seen jets "spraying" on numerous occasions, at relatively low altitudes while criss-crossing the sky. I watched as these low altitude trails continued to hang in the air and spread out over time - they were not dissipating as one would expect a normal contrail to do. I've seen them last as long as an hour or more.
Coulter, you never fail to amaze me at your utter ignorance. Did someone drop you as a child or something? "
cm wrote on Jul 18, 2008 11:05 AM:
If he is raising millions for his campaign then why isn't he paying the extra security costs? "
chris van note wrote on Jul 18, 2008 11:03 AM:
http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/06/11/
say-it-loud-say-it-proud-i-am-a-racist/
Am I the only one who notices that Karl and AJ have absolutely no sense of humor? "
Andy b wrote on Jul 18, 2008 10:49 AM:
AJ wrote on Jul 18, 2008 10:34 AM:
" I found this on the Al Gore Internet (tm):"
Why do you keep trotting out this bizarre misrepresentation of Al Gore which was based on a comment which was totally twisted around? Al Gore is not my favorite politician, let me make that clear. But it really bothers me when some a wipe continues to propagate the myth that AG claimed to have "invented" the internet. AL GORE NEVER CLAIMED TO HAVE INVENTED THE INTERNET. END OF STORY. IF YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE LOONY TUNES. "
karl wrote on Jul 18, 2008 10:17 AM:
Yup. I'd follow them and quote them too. Absolute shining examples of leadership and sensibility, they! LOL! "
karl wrote on Jul 18, 2008 10:13 AM:
That silly, racist, xenophobic rant which Chris has substituted for his own thinking came from a website called (ready for this?!) "Pursuing Holiness--pursuing holiness in daily life"
The owner of the site describes the site and herself in these terms:
"I’m a quite boring middle-aged woman; reformed charismatic, politically conservative, pro-war when we have been attacked (as we were in 1979 and regularly since then)...The disciple I have most in common with is Peter - impulsive, loudmouthed, and frequently foolish..."
YES, PEOPLE--THIS IS WHERE CHRIS GETS HIS INFORMATION AND INDOCTRINATION FROM!
BE AFRAID. BE VERY AFRAID!
LMFAO!!!!!! "
karl wrote on Jul 18, 2008 10:08 AM:
Once again I have to ask you--do you have any thought of your own, or are you the new Citizen "cut-n-paste" king who is too articulation-challenged to elucidate your own thoughts on any given subject?
I mean, we all use C-N-P to a degree, but you seem to use it as an excuse to not think? "
chris van note wrote on Jul 18, 2008 9:28 AM:
As for me, because I’m preemptively being defined as a racist (since I most certainly won’t vote for Obama), I’ve decided to step up to the plate and embrace that definition. From here on in, I’ve got my mantra.
When I vote against Obama on November 4, 2008:
It won’t be because Obama wants to withdraw from Iraq, which I think will weaken America’s interests beyond repair, it will be because I’m a racist.
It won’t be because Obama thinks that a nuclear Iran is no threat to the Western World, it will be because I’m a racist.
It won’t be because I think it’s an incredibly stupid idea for the most powerful nation in the world to approach evil totalitarian dictators as a supplicant, it will be because I’m a racist.
It won’t be because I hate the idea of a President who will subordinate America’s interests to the UN (as he inevitably will), it will be because I’m a racist.
It won’t be because Obama has the thinnest resume ever in the history of Presidential candidates, it will be because I’m a racist.
It won’t be because I think Obama’s Leftist connections (Ayres, Dohrn, Soros, Pfleger, Wright, etc.) show him to be either stupid about or complicit with an agenda antithetical to basic American values, it will be because I’m a racist.
It won’t be because Obama consistently chooses as advisers people who have opted for the wrong side in the completely binary debate about Israel’s right to exist, it will be because I’m a racist.
It won’t be because Obama wants to socialize American medicine, which I believe will destroy the high quality of medical care available to most Americans, it will be because I’m a racist.
It won’t be because Obama wants to gut the military and reduce us to a nation with a big target painted on our collective backside, it will be because I’m a racist.
It won’t be because Obama wants to gut the Second Amendment and destroy Americans’ Constitutional right to protect themselves from foreign and domestic enemies, it will be because I’m a racist.
It won’t be because Obama has already announced loud and clear that he will support activist judges who place their “feelings” above the law, it will be because I’m a racist.
It won’t be because Obama supports judicial decisions creating a right to gay marriage, when I think that decision is one for the voters, it will be because I’m a racist.
It won’t be because Obama’s announced that he will dramatically increase taxes, putting the slow, inflexible, ill-informed government in charge of what should be a quick-reacting, knowledgeable marketplace, it will be because I’m a racist.
It won’t be because Obama’s record in the Senate (albeit short and undistinguished) has been so liberal he makes Teddy Kennedy look like a reactionary, it will be because I’m a racist.
It won’t be because Obama’s an open-borders kind of guy, it will be because I’m a racist.
It won’t be because Obama has shown himself to be a scarily slow thinker and speaker when released from the teleprompter (which really doesn’t bode well for those cozy private chats with Ahmadinejad, Jong-Il, and Assad), it will be because I’m a racist.
It won’t be because Obama’s wife clearly loathes America and everything it stands for, despite the fact that she’s done pretty well out of it, it will be because I’m a racist.
It won’t be because Obama was affiliated for more than 20 years with a church that preached white hatred and began to care only when it looked as if it would affect his campaign, it will be because I’m a racist.
It won’t be because Obama was good buddies with Tony Rezko, and other sleazy characters (showing again that Obama was complicit or a singularly bad judgment of character), it will be because I’m a racist.
It won’t be because Obama’s a compulsive liar who clearly thinks we in the public are too stupid to catch up with his lies, it will be because I’m a racist.
It won’t be because Obama’s campaign has proven to be fly-paper for every two bit troofer and anti-Semite in America, it will be because I’m a racist.
It won’t be because Obama’s promised already to start down the totalitarian path of purging his predecessors through criminal prosecutions, it will be because I’m a racist. "
chris van note wrote on Jul 18, 2008 8:48 AM:
Chris, what's it like living in a fantasy world?
Then follows it up with:
And chemtrails ARE real. It's just that noone will admit to what they are for. I have personally seen them on several occasions, both here in Auburn and on the west coast over ten years ago.
Wow AJ, just wow. I've seen contrails from jets as well. Contrails are condensation trails and artificial clouds made by the exhaust of aircraft engines or wingtip vortices which precipitate a stream of tiny ice crystals in moist, frigid upper air.
For those of you not in the tin foil hat wearing "reality based" community that AJ and Karl are members of this is what she is talking about:
The Chemtrail conspiracy theory holds that the trails seen behind some aircraft are not ordinary contrails, but are the result of high-altitude spraying of some kind of chemicals for a purpose unknown to the general public. There are different versions of the theory, which hypothesize different chemical composition and purposes. Some chemtrail analysts report that the trails are composed of barium and aluminum oxide, and could be an attempt to affect climate by reflecting sunlight in the atmosphere. Other hypothesis include that they are sprayed over populated areas to affect human beings. "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Jul 18, 2008 7:26 AM:
brew1234 wrote on Jul 18, 2008 12:50 AM:
karl wrote on Jul 17, 2008 11:30 PM:
karl wrote on Jul 17, 2008 11:28 PM:
Sheesh... "
AJ wrote on Jul 17, 2008 9:24 PM:
movedsouth wrote on Jul 17, 2008 8:24 PM:
1234567890p wrote on Jul 17, 2008 7:07 PM:
AJ wrote on Jul 17, 2008 6:59 PM:
By the way, mencken said a lot of stupid things which were not grounded in reality, kind of like Rush and your alter ego Ann.
And chemtrails ARE real. It's just that noone will admit to what they are for. I have personally seen them on several occasions, both here in Auburn and on the west coast over ten years ago.
Karl, welcome back. I got the Suzuki - most excellent bike. Going out for a ride now. "
karl wrote on Jul 17, 2008 6:43 PM:
Predictable, that all my ideological forum foes will jump on the bandwagon over a disparaging comment. The truth is, I'm used to these "gang tactics" that Conservatives use to silence the opposition, and it bothers me not one whit. Rave on...
Funny though, and really juvenile, that you would attack my band or playing personally. If I had a dime for every caustic critic in my career I would be rich. Sheeesh--what's next--are ya gonna call me ugly or fat? LOL!
La LA lA la la la.... "
theking wrote on Jul 17, 2008 5:00 PM:
excnyer wrote on Jul 17, 2008 4:56 PM:
" Why do people even waste time responding to Karl? He is obviously arrogant and full of himself. Thinks he is right no matter what and likes to bash people who don't think like him. How about the rest of us use this forum for it's intended purpose and ignore comments from users like him? "
Hazel Eyez...you couldn't have said it better. I feel the same way. This site should be called "Karl's Blog". "
horseradish wrote on Jul 17, 2008 4:08 PM:
Who is this joker? Come on, you can tell us! "
MISSEY1941 wrote on Jul 17, 2008 3:05 PM:
Ever hear of The Fall of the Roman Empire. Read it and then compare it to the US today. We keep repeating the same mistakes because we do not learn from history! "
cm wrote on Jul 17, 2008 1:44 PM:
what happened happened-done over with well before my birth!!
there are too many issues TODAY to try to fix or aid in somehow someway..
the past is in the history books where it belongs--let it stay there and try to improve TODAY and hopefully TOMORROW. "
Hazel Eyez wrote on Jul 17, 2008 1:34 PM:
Hazel Eyez wrote on Jul 17, 2008 1:30 PM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Jul 17, 2008 1:03 PM:
I didn't look at the site to which AJ sent the link -- and I am not judging the site one way or the other. Maybe the site is wacko. I'm just saying the examples CVN gave aren't the least bit wacky.
The moon landing was for real -- and in the end, a major waste of money for nothing much in return. Bunch of rocks and dust costing millions to visit to no special purpose. Very romantic and exciting, but there's nothing useful up there.
Chemical contrails? What's that? Never heard of it.
Paul is still alive and just finishing out an ugly divorce.
The Illuminati did exist, though I am sure many of the stories about their activities are exaggerated or the product of fevered imaginations.
As for Ithaca, you pretty much have to be employed to live here -- taxes and cost of living are considerably higher than in Auburn. Even now the prices have come down a tad, the cheapest gas I've seen here was $4.23 -- wait, that was in Lansing.... "
karl wrote on Jul 17, 2008 1:01 PM:
Do ya ever have a salient point or thought of your own that you can articulate in your OWN words? "
chris van note wrote on Jul 17, 2008 12:39 PM:
Wow.
I add that bit of "reality based" knowledge with the faked moon landing, the chemical contrails from jet planes,
and Paul is dead.
I better go hide from the Illuminati...
This seems to suit you and AJ:
In 1936 the well-known American commentator H. L. Mencken wrote:
The central belief of every moron is that he is the victim of a mysterious conspiracy against his common rights and true deserts. He ascribes all his failure to get on in the world, all of his congenital incapacity and damfoolishness, to the machinations of werewolves assembled in Wall Street, or some other such den of infamy. "
Unknown... wrote on Jul 17, 2008 12:27 PM:
vic wrote on Jul 17, 2008 12:26 PM:
cheeko wrote on Jul 17, 2008 12:18 PM:
karl wrote on Jul 17, 2008 11:52 AM:
The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was discovered en route, and what's more, if you look at the preceding events of that attack, with regard to American sanctions against Japan, the US was clearly goading them into an attack of SOME sort.
The waves of bombers wee discovered, and, --just like with 9/11--key people were removed from their posts so as to not disrupt it. Because "The Powers That Be" were afraid that after the carnage of WWI that the American people wouldn't support going into yet another Word War.
Sheesh, Chris--do some research and open your "OORAH" mind! "
karl wrote on Jul 17, 2008 11:47 AM:
"Hate what I envy"?!?!?
Please, Chris,--DO enlighten me as to WHAT you assume that I envy?!?!
McCain's senility?
Bush's stupidity?
Your blind hyperpatriotism?
Oh, do so enlighten me! I cannot live another day steeped in my own ignorance and denial! LOL! "
cm wrote on Jul 17, 2008 11:09 AM:
536 536 536 536.......
not REP.. not Dems..Not Bush..
simply 536------ALL !!!!!
and thats just Washington..
not add county officials, city officials, town officials, etc...
simply put in one word: TAX
any complaints, any woes,
all come back to one word: MONEY
will it ever end? ....NEVER ! "
quiveringthigh wrote on Jul 17, 2008 11:00 AM:
" QT does anything spew from your mouth other than inane drivel that makes not one lick of sense? Your pornographic handle should get you banned from this forum as well as a lack of coherent thought. "
Brew, So what's your point? "
chris van note wrote on Jul 17, 2008 10:56 AM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Jul 17, 2008 9:07 AM:
---The American government has a habit of lying to its citizens when it wants to contrive a new war.
---In 1941, the attack on Pearl Harbor was the excuse for World War II.
---In 2001, the 9/11 attacks were the excuse for the "war on terrorism".
---The signs are unmistakable; the Bush regime is waging a "war against dissent," rapidly moving the United States to a total police state.
Yes, correct -- so what's the problem with that site? From the examples you give, it looks pretty much right on the money to me. "
movedsouth wrote on Jul 17, 2008 8:57 AM:
chris van note wrote on Jul 17, 2008 8:54 AM:
None. Barack simply hopes and the light bulb changes itself.
And Karl, seems to me you hate what you envy. "
chris van note wrote on Jul 17, 2008 8:35 AM:
Ooh, better not question things since we live in a gestapo like police state, I don't want to go to jail. Right AJ?
Have you had the FBI knocking at your door or have your friends been disappearing? God forbid we actually try and catch the bad guys before they kill people.
Oh we have the "Blame America First" point of view from Karl. Nothing to be proud of...are you and Michelle Obama related? All the foreign aid we give, both publicly and privately, battling aids and other diseases in Africa, the help to the Tsunami victims (the usual U.S. contribution during major disasters is 25 to 33 percent of total international aid), I could go on and on with all the good we do in the world. "
interested wrote on Jul 17, 2008 8:06 AM:
You just reminded me that it has been 14 yrs since I really liked Manowar.
Also, let me remind you, I am NOT a boy-I am a female. And I thought you were so omniscient. I have told you that in the past when I tried to have a conversation with you and you (once again) insulted me since that is the only thing you know how to do. "
interested wrote on Jul 17, 2008 7:41 AM:
I don't know why they wouldn't post it but last night I tried to tell you that I liked Gloves of Metal but my favs were Hail to England(the original) and Fighting the World.
I used to like Karls sound too.... "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Jul 17, 2008 7:20 AM:
brew1234 wrote on Jul 17, 2008 2:29 AM:
AJ wrote on Jul 17, 2008 1:59 AM:
BTW, for anyone interested, I included that link partly because it has an excellent set of links at the bottom of the page for further research. Chris' breakdown of the site is a petty attempt to marginalize it, with nothing to back himself up, of course. Typical right wing neo con nutjob tactic. "
karl wrote on Jul 16, 2008 11:31 PM:
Sorry boys, I got over that like, YEARS ago--do you realize I've been in the band for FOURTEEN YEARS? A LOT longer than Ross!
Rave on, that the world may know ye mad... "
karl wrote on Jul 16, 2008 11:29 PM:
karl wrote on Jul 16, 2008 11:26 PM:
karl wrote on Jul 16, 2008 11:25 PM:
HURRAH FOR OBAMA!!!!!!!LOL!!!!!!
John McCain--sorry--"McSame" is a bigger threat to this country than Obama EVER could be--a psychotically angry, PST-suffering Jackknife Johnny who doesn't even have a clue about world politics (he thought Czechoslovakia still existed!???) and who has shape-changed like an alien to sell his soul and vote to the Conservative Right. He's a man without principles or intelligence--hey, why NOT elect him president, right?
Thanks, all of you Republicans, for the $4.15 gasoline, the mortgage crisis, the Wasteful War, and the selling-out of all of our kids' futures. Yup--you guys can be trusted with America's future fer shuuuuuur! LOL! "
interested wrote on Jul 16, 2008 10:47 PM:
My favorites were always Fighting the World and Hail to England although, I really enjoyed Gloves of Metal also.
What a shame they don't sound as awesome as they used to. "
chris van note wrote on Jul 16, 2008 10:27 PM:
The American government has a habit of lying to its citizens when it wants to contrive a new war.
In 1941, the attack on Pearl Harbor was the excuse for World War II.
In 2001, the 9/11 attacks were the excuse for the "war on terrorism".
The signs are unmistakable; the Bush regime is waging a "war against dissent," rapidly moving the United States to a total police state.
The site also has the obligitory photoshopped pics of Pres. Bush as the devil, Hitler, a clown, pictures from the movie 1984, lots of swastikas and pictures of Nazi youth.
As well as the same old tired and lame accusations that Bush somehow stole the election in 2000 and 2004.
Scary stuff there AJ...I'm putting on my tin foil hat right now! "
quiveringthigh wrote on Jul 16, 2008 9:54 PM:
quiveringthigh wrote on Jul 16, 2008 8:45 PM:
GLOVES of METAL! All MEN Play on 10! "
quiveringthigh wrote on Jul 16, 2008 8:05 PM:
Is there truth to the above statement??? If so, there is something wrong with the Clinton's home budget. Maybe some call girls??? Guys??? Poodles??? I always hated those stinky Clinton's. I did see there house near Little Rock. The way the people think of them, I am surprised it still stands. "
AJ wrote on Jul 16, 2008 7:56 PM:
http://www.hermes-press.com/police_state.htm "
interested wrote on Jul 16, 2008 7:24 PM:
nature lover wrote on Jul 16, 2008 7:21 PM:
hmmmm wrote on Jul 16, 2008 7:04 PM:
I see whats happening here and you know what,it smells fishy "
quiveringthigh wrote on Jul 16, 2008 6:55 PM:
" Bring back Ross the Boss!! "
I think the same EVERY DAY! "
Leon Kapowski wrote on Jul 16, 2008 4:50 PM:
chris van note wrote on Jul 16, 2008 4:43 PM:
Why is it we constantly see White British liberals attacking not only the British and their culture, but everyone and everything, in the name of anti-racism? Most suggest that they are driven by self-loathing, and this, no doubt, counts for much. They hate British culture, and they are suspicious of the British people – and these more than anything. But, the truth of the matter is that they hate culture, and they are suspicious of humanity itself. They hate high ideals: religion; nation; the flag; virtue; virtus; character; fortitude; justice; honor; freedom of expression; freedom of thought; freedom of conscience. And they are suspicious of anyone who would cultivate himself through them.
Liberalism has convinced us that these things are bad. We hear of ‘law,’ not ‘justice.’ We are embarrassed by the word, ‘God.’ We have exchanged character for ‘personality.’ And we ask ourselves merely, “where will it end?” not, “what can I do?” The US, by contrast, still instills in its citizens – of whichever race or background – a sense of pride and hope. It believes that it is a great nation. And it is a nation “under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.” These are sacred words, and similar words must come to represent Britain, if the nation is to survive into the future.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3401 "
nature lover wrote on Jul 16, 2008 4:09 PM:
Leon Kapowski wrote on Jul 16, 2008 3:53 PM:
"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
What is he talking about there? We need a gov't agency aside from local police forces, that is just as big and powerful as the military, providing "security" for us, within the borders of the US? THAT is the scariest thing I've heard out of his mouth yet. And people want to elect this maniac to the highest office in the land! "
Dave R Ithaca, NY wrote on Jul 16, 2008 3:31 PM:
interested wrote on Jul 16, 2008 3:24 PM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Jul 16, 2008 3:02 PM:
chris van note wrote on Jul 16, 2008 3:00 PM:
Thou shall not parody the Obamessiah or else thou are a racist. "
nature lover wrote on Jul 16, 2008 2:42 PM:
interested wrote on Jul 16, 2008 1:47 PM: