No true believer in America would ever have voted for the recent version of the “Anti” Patriot Act, an Act that trashes all of the principles that made America the no. 1 moral nation in the world. This Act so expands the spying powers government to all citizens, that any clever government employees could easily fabricate an excuse for spying.
Ridiculous! We are lawful citizens of America we are not the enemy.
Speaking to all representatives, by virtue of your unpatriotic actions you place yourselves as anti-patriots compared to those who are true patriots. Not only do you create your own enemies from within, but also of those of peoples in other nations of the world, ones that heap their hatred and rage not only on you in power, but on us innocent citizens.
You shame us in the eyes of all nations throughout the world.
By your support and compliance with these administration's actions you have caused the nations of the world to view us as no different from the evil Nazis. You do this all with the excuse you are protecting us.
Instead you are placing our lives in greater danger.
We such as Senator Byrd, Ron Paul and Ralph Nader, are not paralyzed with fear of any nation that may get a bomb, nor any that has one, nor any that has hundreds or even thousands upon thousands.
Even if we were conquered, which I feel is impossible, we would live as we do under this repressive administration (and that includes both houses of Congress).
We remain true to and support those principles without fear as set forth by the founding fathers of our country under all circumstances.
Peter Kotzer
Auburn
Speaking to all representatives, by virtue of your unpatriotic actions you place yourselves as anti-patriots compared to those who are true patriots. Not only do you create your own enemies from within, but also of those of peoples in other nations of the world, ones that heap their hatred and rage not only on you in power, but on us innocent citizens.
You shame us in the eyes of all nations throughout the world.
By your support and compliance with these administration's actions you have caused the nations of the world to view us as no different from the evil Nazis. You do this all with the excuse you are protecting us.
Instead you are placing our lives in greater danger.
We such as Senator Byrd, Ron Paul and Ralph Nader, are not paralyzed with fear of any nation that may get a bomb, nor any that has one, nor any that has hundreds or even thousands upon thousands.
Even if we were conquered, which I feel is impossible, we would live as we do under this repressive administration (and that includes both houses of Congress).
We remain true to and support those principles without fear as set forth by the founding fathers of our country under all circumstances.
Peter Kotzer
Auburn
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Farmer's Gal wrote on Jul 15, 2008 11:50 AM:
Later in my life I had a very unpleasant experience with an agent provacateur sent to my home with my small children because the government did not like my now-ex-husband's politics. I did not like having some yahoo bring a loaded assault weapon into the vicinity of my kids in hopes my husband would put fingerprints on it, nor his talk of how he hoped a cop would stop him so he could blow the guy away -- in hopes of getting my ex, who was never a violent or criminal person, to agree and make similar comments which this agent was secretly taping.
So, yes, our government DOES engage in surveillance and other invasions of privacy against its own law-abiding citizens and it is a despicable contradiction of our guaranteed freedoms. "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Jul 15, 2008 11:43 AM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Jul 15, 2008 11:42 AM:
Basically, the argument that giving up freedoms "is for your own safety" is about as Big Brother as you can get, and what really scares me are the people who actually believe it. "
dd wrote on Jul 14, 2008 6:57 PM:
chris van note wrote on Jul 14, 2008 4:57 PM:
You see, what we "get" is that there are some very bad people out there who will do us harm if they get the chance and all your liberal feel-good hugs and drum circles won't stop them. Good surveillance that can be nimble and quick when necessary and a strong, well trained military/FBI/CIA apparatus that can apprehend these fanatics BEFORE they do harm either here or abroad.
Do you actually think that we would waste time "spying" on regular people in the US? What benefit would that bring? "
dd wrote on Jul 14, 2008 4:54 PM:
dd wrote on Jul 14, 2008 4:31 PM:
dd wrote on Jul 14, 2008 4:24 PM:
AJ wrote on Jul 14, 2008 4:18 PM:
International calls have always, AFAIK, been subject to tapping, so what is your point ms coulter?
RD, Dave, I'm sure you'll appreciate a presidency you do not support having these broad powers cause you have nothing to hide, right?
Sure..
You will just never get it. "
dd wrote on Jul 14, 2008 4:01 PM:
Dave R Ithaca, NY wrote on Jul 14, 2008 2:25 PM:
rd wrote on Jul 14, 2008 10:52 AM:
chris van note wrote on Jul 14, 2008 9:38 AM:
The US was listening in as FARC leader Nancy Conde phoned Miami contacts asking them for satellite phones. The FBI arrested the contacts, then double-agented them and coerced them to put Conde in touch with a company which would deliver them their precious phones -- a front company manned by the FBI.
They got their phones -- all wiretapped up, of course.
FARC used them, not realizing all their communications were compromised.
This led to the liberation of the 15 long-held hostages.
I wonder if the freed hostages believe their civil rights were more compromised by the US government or the terrorist FARC army the left is so protective of. "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Jul 14, 2008 7:25 AM:
rd wrote on Jul 13, 2008 2:05 PM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Jul 13, 2008 12:48 PM: