Auburn school voters: ‘No' still means ‘no'

By Alyssa Sunkin / The Citizen

Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:40 AM EDT

AUBURN - For the Auburn Enlarged City School District, the second time wasn't the charm as district voters overwhelmingly defeated its proposed 2008-09 school budget Tuesday.
Chet Susslin / The Citizen
Auburn Enlarged City School District Board of Education member Michael Stearns rubs his eyes while, from left, Ginny Kent, Coylynn Cator, David Lansford and Charlie Cator look on. The school budget, originally voted down on May 20, was defeated Tuesday by a much wider margin.
According to unofficial results, the proposed budget of $66,490,371 with a tax levy increase of 3.28 was voted down during a re-vote by a margin of 264 - 1,877 yes to 2,141 no - with 154 affidavit ballots outstanding.

Voters defeated the same budget May 20 by just three votes, 1,414-1,411.

Superintendent J.D. Pabis voiced his frustration over the defeat, maintaining the budget allowed for smooth operations in education.

“I believe strongly that it was a fiscally sound and fiscally responsible budget, a budget that could offer a good educational program,” he said.

Huddled around an easel that posted the voter returns in the hallway of the district office, district officials and board members silently studied the returns, trying to take it all in.

Board member Michael Stearns rubbed his eyes in disbelief while colleague Ginny Kent cradled her head in her left fist.

Board President David Lansford said he was disappointed in the outcome.

While the community has spoken, he said Albany is to blame for the difficulties local districts face when trying to maintain quality education without overburdening the taxpayers.

“The schools get beat up because the state has not restructured its education financing,” he said. “It comes down to the local people and they vote no on a perfectly legitimate budget, which is the best they've seen in five years. They are fed up with taxes and the school district budget is the way they can take it out.”

District officials repeatedly called the proposed budget - marked by a 4.91 percent increase in spending over the previous year - a maintenance budget, devised to keep educational programs and faculty at current levels. The only staffing change the budget included was hiring a new custodian.

Following the budget defeat on May 20, board members opted to put the original budget for a re-vote in the hopes that, after engaging in a vigorous marketing strategy, the community would see it as fiscally responsible and educationally sound.

Moving forward, the district must now turn to its contingency budget, which is subject to state mandates. There is a mandatory cap on spending, the district cannot purchase any new equipment and employees that are unaffiliated with the district and are not part of a collective bargaining unit cannot receive salary increases.

For Auburn, the contingency budget caps spending at 3.97 percent with a $267,070 reduction in equipment purchases and $326,874 reduction in programming, which may include the custodian position, transportation and field trips, athletics and club activities, the elementary summer school, summer curriculum work and staff development.

Pabis said these cuts influence, but do not immediately affect, classroom academics.

The board will meet at 5:30 p.m. today at the Harriet Tubman Administrative Building to officiate the results of the vote. In that meeting and in the coming weeks, the board will deliberate and discuss what these reductions will look like.

“We've got to keep the integrity of education intact,” he said.

For Auburn resident Robert Lalonde, voting no on the budget was his way to voice his objections to new taxes.

“With the economic conditions the way they are today, it just seems like every year, 'let's just add $2 million or $3 million more and to hell with the taxpayer,'” he said after voting at West Middle School Tuesday.

But Craig Wright believed the tax increase was reasonable.

“I think it's a good budget,” the Auburn resident said after voting. “I think it's in line with what we can afford. I don't think it's overburdening the taxpayer this time. I guess people have to realize that, just like our gas, food, everything, is going up, it's also going up for the school district.

“Everyone blames the teachers, saying they get paid too much, but (school districts) have other expenses,” he said. “It's just a fact of life.”

Staff writer Alyssa Sunkin can be reached at 253-5311 ext. 239 or alyssa.sunkin@lee.net

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justventing wrote on Jun 19, 2008 10:54 AM:

" Actually James13021 is correct. It's not the young people who got us in this mess; it's the older people who constantly voted YES in previous budgets. "

forrest wrote on Jun 19, 2008 8:20 AM:

" James-13021, Yours isn't the most stupid or ignorant comment i've read on this site, but it sure is the second most stupid and ignorant comment i've ever read. "

james_13021 wrote on Jun 19, 2008 5:45 AM:

" I voted NO, because why should the younger taxpayers in Auburn, keep having to pay for the Screw-up that the older generations have done!

I would have like to help the my kids out and voted yes, but I keep seeing my generaion keep paying for the problems created by my parents and grandparents! Shame on the older generation, now we have to find ways to support ourselves and children, while paying for your over expenditures!!! It's criminal what the older generation has done to younger generations...they just don't think nor care about (even if they say they do, actions speak louder!) "

pentangelli wrote on Jun 19, 2008 5:41 AM:

" AUBURN IS A BACKWARD CESS POOL. IF YOU WANT TO "KAVETCH" ABOUT TAXES...STOP THOSE MORONS IN WASHINGTON AND ALBANY...DO YOU FEEL BETTER NOW FLEXING YOUR LITTLE MUSCLES...MEANWHILE YOU ALLOW OUR KIDS TO GET THE SHAFT ON THE JOYS AND EXTRAS OF THEIR SCHOOLDAYS....finally...TO THOSE DONKEYS THAT SAY TEACHERS ARE OVERPAID AND WORK PART TIME AND blah, blah, blah...JUST PAY THE TEACHERS LIKE THE BABYSITTERS YOU THINK THEY ARE...LET'S SEE: 25 KIDS TIMES $3.00/HR., TIMES SEVEN HOURS PER DAY, TIMES FIVE DAYS PER WEEK, TIMES 34 WEEKS PER YEAR COMES TO NEARLY $90,000.00 PER YEAR....SEE MORONS...TEACHERS ARE A GREAT DEAL, BUT YOU ARE CHEAP, SHORT-SIGHTED INBREDS. "

ethan wrote on Jun 18, 2008 10:21 PM:

" I am glad to see many school budgets being voted down. It is the only way people can say yes/no .
There are many items in a budget that have to included,BUT all schools need to show the people where the money is going to ..just not administrative cost @ $$$$$ or educational cost.Thats wrong. BREAK IT ALL DOWN. How much money is really in the slush fund(yes schools still have this ,its just hidden) Every Employee should pay a good portion of the medical,dental,eye insurance. Cut cost on NON Educational items.CUT OFFICE Items. I will even offer to go in and show them how to make cuts , been doing it for over 30 years. "

nature lover wrote on Jun 18, 2008 8:03 PM:

" to disgusted and mdean...wake up and realize simple grade school facts - we as New Yorkers are thee highest taxed in the nation - the highest. Digest that for a moment - all 50 states. Patterson tried to get a cap on these ridiculous school salaries/fringes. It s/b spent on the kids not adults. When I went to school which wasnt too long ago we had everything at our disposal and teachers were happy. When did teaching become a profession of greed? Honestly their medical and retirement plans are beyond bloated - I know 1st hand due to my job as an analyst. And mdean there has been ALOT of opinion posted on this site way b4 the vote, during the vote and after the vote - probably noone showed at the meeting because arrogant Pabis just thought his constituents were uneducated goobers and didnt feel like he needed to do anything more than say we were confused. Wrong! Images of cherib faced children with sad faces with visions of hungry bellies for education just isnt what I see anymore. sorry. If u want to educate children and get them graduated and stay here - lower the flippin taxes - food for your thought college student. geezuz!!!!! "

vic wrote on Jun 18, 2008 7:27 PM:

" The school board and superintendant are idiots. If they showed an effort and at least trimmed a few thousand off the last budget it probably would have passed easily. What's the point of having a revote if they were going to put up the exact same budget. The amount of increase was reasonable but it deserved to be voted down.

Cayresident- I don't know what you are smoking, but teachers work way more than a 6 hour day. "

Unknown... wrote on Jun 18, 2008 7:21 PM:

" Disgusted:
From where you sit, you really haven't got the whole picture on what is going on here. You really need to live it before you can make those kinds of statements. We have been paying all kinds of increases in taxes over the years, and just recently, the administration hired 18 new mid management positions. All this was aimed at getting the drop out numbers lowered, and increase the graduate numbers, none of which has happened. So are we supposed to keep throwing money at this problem?? It really doesn't make sense. We have Ciriculum advisors. Our teachers hold Masters Degrees. Do they really need advisors?? No. Just another waste of taxpayer money. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Don't make judgements on us, please. Good luck in school, and reconsider your decision not to come here to live. It really is a nice place to live. "

tome8689 wrote on Jun 18, 2008 7:05 PM:

" In response to disgusted: As a student you still have a lot to learn and once you've paid you share of taxes you'll appreciate the fact that continually paying taxes with the same resulting failures and successes is very frustrating. Everyone has the right and responsibility to question each and every cent they pay for education and that does not translate into backwards attitudes toward education. The school district has declining enrollment, excessive administrative positions and the mindset that whenever we need something we'll tax the citizens instead of of cutting expenses or doing without. You don't care to come back here to raise a family- that's your decision to make. College is about opening your mind and and life to new experiences not close them with one side of the debate! "

Disgusted wrote on Jun 18, 2008 5:36 PM:

" I fail to see how voting no on the budget will help curb the drop out rate.

And as far as bloated pay rolls...teachers are required to have master's degrees in this state. Considering that, there's nothing bloated about the wages teachers earn.

This whole "us and them" attitude concerning the School Board is ridiculous. It's a volunteer activity that consumes a lot of their time. The notion that they're this elite secretive group of people who some how get their jollies from making people pay more in taxes is utterly moronic.

I'm a college student, who until hearing the news of the budget failing, seriously looked forward to returning to Auburn to start a family. After witnessing these horribly backwards attitudes towards public education, I have to seriously reconsider that.

The only people that I have less respect for than those that voted to deny children a proper registration are the thousands of registered voters that didn't get out and vote. "

guesswho wrote on Jun 18, 2008 4:44 PM:

" Teachers only work 6 hours a day?! I don't think so! Most teachers get to work early, stay late, and take work home with them! "

mdean wrote on Jun 18, 2008 4:31 PM:

" All of this redderick saddens me. It is easy for people to criticize the shcool board...but remeber they are taxpayers, too and YOU elected them. Stop taking out your frustration on today's economy on the children, teachers, administration and Board. If all of this commentary was sent to Albany, and beyond maybe we'd get somewhere. Taking it out on student's futures is a sad commmentary as to what our society prioritizes. If you possibly looked at the photos in the paper,of the people you have elected...the news does not make them "happy" that the budget went down, (like some of you writing in this section)...they put forth, what they thought would pass...you wouldn't know how they feel, unless you were in their shoes. We can ALL criticize the decision to not change the figures before putting the budget up for the second vote..but where were the taxpayers when the Board held the public meeting???? The wrong time to have an opionon is AFTER THE FACT. "

blooms wrote on Jun 18, 2008 3:37 PM:

" I am so happy to see the budget was a big NO vote. How can anyone afford any type of tax increase when they have gas tanks oil tanks to fill. grocery's to buy, children to dress. It is also a cop out to blame Albany for the lack of state support. How about our great over paid teachers taking a pay cut. How about making them live in the city of Auburn so they can pay the same taxes we all do. After all they are a city employee. We have some of the highest payed teachers in the nation right her in the vacum Auburn ny. We pay one of the highest scholl tax rates also. We also had the one of the highest drop out rates in CNY. Hmmmmmm have to wonder why???? "

justventing wrote on Jun 18, 2008 2:43 PM:

" I want to personally thank you to the voters who voted NO to the latest school budget. On the other side, I also understand that students need a quality education, BUT not at the expense of having people decide to which to do, eat or take medicine for those on a fixed income. WE are tapped out. Many seniors own their own home and have no children but pay very dearly and costly school taxes. Perhaps we should start a per child tuition?—The more kids you have the more you pay in taxes, seems fair. Tell you what, to those who voted YES on the budget, just take the 75.00 or so increase that you were so willing to pay and send it in to the school board. If enough of you do it maybe they won’t have to cut anything? ---Start sending. One more issue, I think the budget was defeated because the taxes are already sky high from past school budgets. "

The Truth wrote on Jun 18, 2008 2:24 PM:

" Mr. Pabas ... read our lips: "No more taxes."

Start running the district like a private sector company and you will find all sorts of cash available. "

tome8689 wrote on Jun 18, 2008 2:11 PM:

" This school district has declining enrollments and some of the highest dropout rates. Hiring useless administratiuve staff does nothing to enhance our students' eduscation anymore than the idiotic school resourse officer reduces problems in our schools. Looks good on paper but in pratical application is a total waste of money. The sooner the school board and Pabis realize that the better off the students and the taxpayers will be. If Pabis is so concerned about the quality of education now that the budget was defeated then he should eliminate an administrative position, but that won't happen. And to all the morons saying they through $50.00 on junk at wal-mart so whats the big deal, the big deal is that the taxpayer can not continually take in on the chin for school and county frivilous spending.Enough is enough! "

GoodbyeCNY wrote on Jun 18, 2008 2:08 PM:

" Great photo. the board looks......confused. Well, thats how we taxpayers feel when you expect us to constantly support bloated payrolls. Take it. "

mrfed3 wrote on Jun 18, 2008 2:05 PM:

" Anyone who says teachers work only 6 hours a day is simply naive and just doesn't get it. And saying you can't afford the extra tax money is just a cop-out. Even the poorest voting members of Auburn can afford one dollar a week! "

Andy b wrote on Jun 18, 2008 1:44 PM:

" And to be fair. I don't know many teachers that work 6 hrs a day. Most work an 8 hour day then take 2 or 3 hours of work home with them. "

Andy b wrote on Jun 18, 2008 1:41 PM:

" If any of the people that voted no, also votes democrat for our state elected officials....they are a hypocrite. "

union wrote on Jun 18, 2008 1:19 PM:

" I can say I was one that voted NO. Because why should we as older tax payers who are fixed budgets have to pay extra money that they cann't account for now. And we also have a city with a high tax base that people and businesses are leaving the city for the towns around the city because of a high tax base that we have inside of the city. Yes this sound mean, but we all got to wake up and say not everybody that lives in the city has extra money to burn to go to taxes. "

cayresident wrote on Jun 18, 2008 1:06 PM:

" Well the budget was not aproved, maybe its time to think about where the money is being used.If your son or daughter wants to be in athletics outside of gym class I think it should be up to that parent to kick in the extra cash,it shouldn't be up to elderly people on a fixed income or people that dont even have students.Just maybe we could actually have the teachers work more than 6 hours a day and 40 weeks a year.They earn a full time income working part time.So you can save the tears do what every other family does decide what is really important to their "education"and if you think really hard you will find it has nothing to do with athletics "

marsha wrote on Jun 18, 2008 1:03 PM:

" to unknown: read it again! it is sad indeed, that it was defeated! People spend more than $50 a year on junk at Walmart! " "

guesswho wrote on Jun 18, 2008 12:52 PM:

" I think that if the school district actually hired people who lived in the school district the budget might have passed...think about it! mrfed3, I completely agree with you. "

marsha wrote on Jun 18, 2008 12:41 PM:

" it is sad indeed, that it was defeated! People spend more than $50 a year on junk at Walmart! "

Unknown... wrote on Jun 18, 2008 12:39 PM:

" So, you're saying that to fix something we should just throw more money at it!! Well, what has that got us so far?? Nothing but the biggest administration we've ever seen!!! Spending has to be brought in line, and we have to stop expanding the administration needlessly. Auburn is a small town, and the school board & Mr. Pabis have to realize that. "

mrfed3 wrote on Jun 18, 2008 12:16 PM:

" It seems a lot of voters voted "no" simply to spite the administration- did any of you think about the students? If our education system is supposed to be the backbone of our society's future then what type of message does a "no" vote send? Auburn's educational system is supposedly in a state of disarray so I fail to see how denying the proposed budget provides a constructive means to rectify the problem. I find it disgraceful and despicable that taxpayers can't fork out an additional $50 a YEAR (that's less than a dollar a week!) to help our failing schools. It's pathetic that so little thought is given to this community's future. I am ashamed and embarrassed to be a voting member of the city of Auburn on this day. "

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