Two Cents

Monday, June 16, 2008 11:43 AM EDT

I wonder how many dollars H. R. Clinton collected to be a senator while on her presidential quest? If the answer is that her office went with her, then how much did that cost taxpayers?



Since 9/11/2001, I can't think of a single thing the Democrats have done to help the war on terrorism in this world, or the war against the Muslims. Everything they've done is to help the enemy.

The city and county are practically broke, but we have money to throw away on a feasibility study to build a new firehouse

Quill, Brower and McNabb think that everybody in Auburn is a Democrat and doesn't work for a living, so they can have the council meetings at any time, for people to go to. But they forget that some of these people are Conservatives and Republicans and work for a living and can only attend meetings at night.

First it was parking meter money, now it's property tax money. When are the incompetents running our municipal offices going to get their act together?




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AJ wrote on Jun 18, 2008 3:09 PM:

" Leon, do you really believe all that nonsense?

Karl, I think you are putting too much hope in Obama - have you seen is 'Senior Working Group on National Security'?
Not exactly inspiring. Kinda like same horse, different color, though agreeably with a better temperament than the current crop of fascists in power. The imperialistic goals are largely the same, only the tactics will change to a large degree.

The more I read about Obama the less I like him. Let's face it, he wouldn't have been trotted out or allowed to get this far in the first place if he was not hugely sympathetic to corporate interests and the status quo - that's how the game works, now moreso than ever. The whole thing is a "Grand Illusion".

I hope I'm wrong, and I'll be happy if Obama lives up to even a quarter of his rhetoric, and I'll gladly take him over McSame. But I refuse to be deluded by what will likely turn out to be false hope. The messiah he aint!

BTW, did you ever check out the link to the two short video clips I mentioned in yesterday's two cents? You MUST watch them. They should scare the pants off anyone with at least half a brain. "

Leon Kapowski wrote on Jun 18, 2008 12:57 PM:

" How is Obama going to "sic" the oil companies and make them "get theirs"? Sue OPEC only to have them cut production even further, driving prices even higher? Taxing "windfall" profits of oil companies, even though most of them are only profiting between 4 and 10%, most of the rest already going to taxes? That'll bring gas prices down.
Dems have had the past few years to bring gas prices down like they promised they would, but prices keep rising higher and higher. Obviously what they're doing isn't working. And the old standby of blaming one person, our current president, for gas prices going up so high is illogical and frankly, I think it's narrowminded. And thinking one other person, Obama, can magically "get" these greedy oil companies and drive gas prices down, is being even more narrowminded.

Obama is in two words, inexperienced and naive. If he's elected, he'll be an even worse puppet of worse people pulling his strings. If you don't believe me, ask him why he hasn't given back campaign donations from people aligned with Islamic terrorist groups, or former Iraqi officials under Saddam who are calling for increased violence in Iraq. Pretty fishy if you ask me. "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 18, 2008 11:41 AM:

" karl, I also do more errands on my motorcycle and my car gets 19/city and 29/hwy. That should lower gas approx. $.20/gal. If we can stop the speculators buying futures, we should be back to the late 50s at .22/gal "

Grandpa wrote on Jun 18, 2008 11:38 AM:

" I quit smoking 25 years ago and do9n't miss it. I think when I quit, cigarett cost $1.25, & when I quit, it was cold turkey. If I put the money away, I could go around the world many times. You smokers smell like ashtrays, even though you wont quit! "

Grandpa wrote on Jun 18, 2008 11:21 AM:

" This is an illegal & unjust war! The only reason bush went there, was to appease his daddy. when the original gulf war went on, due to iraq invading kuatt ? & swadam thretand to kill the (elder) bush. Now that sadam has been caprured, bush (just like viet nam) does't know how to get out. "

karl wrote on Jun 18, 2008 10:52 AM:

" SO now you see the scumbag Bush trying to blame Congress for the high price of oil. This incompetent bubbler sits on his bloody hands for over a year, and now steps out to give his Oil buddies, while the Oil companies are hoarding millions of barrels not being tapped, and their speculators are being paid to artificially drive up the prices before Bush goes out of office.
Queenie, Chris, and you other "chicken littles"--if you don't see how you and me and all of us are being played for fools, you're blind!
Guess what?!--just like Cheney and Rumsfeld wanted to get into Iraq for at least 15 years before this war, so have the Oil companies wanted to drill offshore and in ANWAR--and just like 9/11 was the perfectly manufactured excuse to go make Ol' Scowl's wildest dreams come true, so is this phony "price crisis" being manufactured to provoke the conversation about removing ALL restrictions to the Oil Companies' greed and pillaging of sensitive environmental sites--WHAT AN ABSOLUTE SCAM AND SHAM!!!!!!!
NO SIR! I can deal with $4.00, even $5.00 gas until November, and then Barack will sic 'em! The bastarrds are gonna get theirs! "

karl wrote on Jun 18, 2008 10:44 AM:

" HA HA! LOL!
Good one, Queenie! You post a website SPONSORED BY EXXON-MOBIL TO "ARGUE" THAT TAXES ON OIL COMPANIES IS A "BAD" THING, AND THAT THEY MAKE "JUSTIFIABLE" PROFITS?!?!
You have no rival for chutzpah and unintentional humor!
Oh, you KILL me!!! LOL!!!! "

theking wrote on Jun 18, 2008 12:29 AM:

" for karl
http://www.exxonmobil.com/Corporate/Files/Corporate/OpEd_no_small_change.pdf "

cm wrote on Jun 17, 2008 11:58 PM:

" I have to agree with you KING that right now-we need to concentrate on all avenues of future energy, not just one.
NONE of them will help us today.

However it may put a scare into OPEC seeing that we are planning to depend more on ourselves than them. We are a major contributors to their wallets.
Without USA they still have China and others but we would still put a huge dent in their riches.

personally I dont care if people own hummers or whatever vehicle IF they can afford to so be it..
In fact I just saw the RED Cross on the news drive off with a loaded HUMMER to the flood zone areas. Sometimes Hummers are needed to get to places the average vehicle cant get too.
I know our local news stations also own them for crews to get the stories in weather-torned areas.

Todays news is: what will the north do for winter heating bills and how many might die from the cold.
No one is mentioning the south having high gas/electric bills right NOW due to the heat, and how many might die today/tomorrow.

Sadly the majority of us will suffer these high costs with no relief in site.
AND the 536 need to begin something somewhere or better yet,
everything everywhere!!! "

AJ wrote on Jun 17, 2008 11:27 PM:

" For those who thought we do not negotiate
with terrorists. You MUST read this and watch the two short videos. It may explain exactly why impeachment is off the table.

http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/06/i-thought-we-didnt-negotiate-with.html "

karl wrote on Jun 17, 2008 11:26 PM:

" Aw, Queenie, you big kidder too; you and Chris ought to be a comedy team! YOu really know how to make me laugh! LOL!
This one-liner had me rolling off the couch! I nearly pilled my soy milk all over my liberal PJ's--
"karl you act as if the oil companies are evil. their profits are on par with other major companies percentage wise"
LMFAO--where DO you come up with this stuff? Priceless!
For your information, DrillQueen, the Oil companies--Exxon Mobil in particular--just recently posted the LARGEST PROFIT IN HISTORY of ANY company, anywhere, EVER!.
Yeah---that's the same company that charges .10 to .13 cents more than any other gas station in town,
Oh, you KILL ME!!!! Thanks for the laughs!! ;0 "

theking wrote on Jun 17, 2008 10:40 PM:

" its obvious karl doesn't understand the supply and demand concept. karl you must have an invention up your sleeve, maybe a car that runs on air? im sick of hearing your it will take 10 years crap. thats the excuse you liberals used in 1995 or whenever clinton used his veto power. demand will continue to rise and suppy wont keep up so prices will go up. karl you act as if the oil companies are evil. their profits are on par with other major companies percentage wise. what do you want to do karl pay 10 dollars a gallon until we have abundant alternative fuel sources 20 years down the road. what dont you get about china drilling 50 miles off key west? you think its ok for them to do that? so they can get the oil but the US cant? what kind of hippy grass are you on karl? obamas plan - tax the oil companies and give the money to poor people to help them pay their energy bills (wow awesome solution, about as good as the dems 2006 promise to lower prices). so the oil companies will raise the prices to compensate. that would bring us right where we started. talk about a socialist. the solution - start costal drilling, start anwr drilling, build nuclear power plants, build solar panels, build windmills, build refineries, build hydroelectric dams, explore alternative fuels. everything together. that would create tons of jobs. but wait enviro freaks are stopping all of that. the dams kill too many fish wahh wahh the windmills kill to many birds wah waahh..are the democrats in on some scheme to deliberately stunt the united states economy. it sure seems that way. oh and alberici didnt even write that speech a democrat writer did. what a bunch of crap. good crappy national radio address. "

karl wrote on Jun 17, 2008 9:08 PM:

" movedsouth, my "cure" is riding a motorcycle and having a small-engined small pickup.
It's so funny--you guys on here yapping about drilling offshore must be on a direct line to the Conservative spin doctors or The White House, I swear! What is there--a big "push" now to "strike while the iron is hot"? To "use" the high oil prices to get what the Oil Companies have wanted for decades? To drill offshore and in environmentally-sensitive areas?
Here's my take on this---the Oil Companies have told their speculators to bid up the price of Oil cuz they know that it's now or never--once Bush is out of office, they're gonna get hit hard. So now, tomorrow, the President will go before Congress and lobby for his Big Oil buddies to get their greedy paws on the alleged oil deposits in the places they want.
Which is EXACTLY what I said was going to happen oh....6 months ago? Once again, a Liberal was correct, and saw through Bush and his Oil cronies.
Here's the problem---it does NOTHING to reduce or change America's dependency on oil, nor force people to drive smaller cars/vehicles and think about reducing use and demand.
I actually think this price scare was a GOOD thing--hey, look--it killed the Hummer! YAYYYY!!!!! And it's changed people's driving habits and outlook on what/what not to drive. "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 17, 2008 8:21 PM:

" em, was not aware that the summer program would be cut if budget not passed. Maybe horseradish meant that, but did not respond. "

Unknown... wrote on Jun 17, 2008 8:02 PM:

" Funny how the paper is not saying ONE WORD about how the vote is going.... "

em wrote on Jun 17, 2008 7:47 PM:

" movedsouth, not every child learns the same way. some need extra attention. it's absurd that people would discount a child's education simply because they don't want to shell out extra money. i realize food and gas prices are going through the roof, but how are we supposed to have intelligent workers to help the economy in the future if they don't receive the education they deserve as children? "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 17, 2008 7:45 PM:

" karl, why do you say 200,000/day when the report says 500,000, per day? Just to make it look bad? Whatever we do now will help down the road. If drilling etc. will take 10 years so be it. What will you be saying in 10 years---------it will take 10 years. Do you not plan for the future? What do you think is the cure for gas prices NOW? "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 17, 2008 7:28 PM:

" em, I'm kind of wondering if we need a summer school program that bad, maybe we aren't educating our children the way we should during the regular school year. Maybe???? "

AJ wrote on Jun 17, 2008 6:51 PM:

" If you use a cellphone, you should watch this.

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/portable/video/x5odhh_pop-corn-telephone-portable-microon_news "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 17, 2008 6:07 PM:

" em, that may be, but I think horseradish should reply. "

AJ wrote on Jun 17, 2008 5:31 PM:

" Yeah, queenie, that's too bad about Leon, and you as well. "

em wrote on Jun 17, 2008 5:10 PM:

" movedsouth, i believe horseradish is implying that among services up on the chopping block if the budget is overturned is the elementary summer school program. i realize i'll probably receive some negative comment for posting this, but if the summer school program is cut, we technically aren't educating our students the way we should, correct???? "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Jun 17, 2008 3:30 PM:

" I just realized that "H. R. Clinton" looks like "Her Royal...." -- LOL! "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 17, 2008 2:55 PM:

" horseradish, are you saying that the teachers will not do their job they are getting paid for if the budget isn't passed? Maybe you should post as horsesh**. "

theking wrote on Jun 17, 2008 2:53 PM:

" LEON K HAS A BRAIN UNLIKE KARL AND AJ "

Andy b wrote on Jun 17, 2008 11:35 AM:

" I watched the video cm. It's ridiculous that this is even an issue. "

Leon Kapowski wrote on Jun 17, 2008 11:32 AM:

" The biggest problem with ANWR is that we could have been drilling there over 10 years ago, but there have been too many shortsighted people blocking recovery of oil from that area, as well as offshore. We'd have had the flippin' oil flowing by now, when we need it! Some people saw the need for it almost 30 years ago when the area in question was being surveyed, but it keeps getting blocked. It's ridiculous.

It reminds me of older folks who think they're too old to go back to college. "Two or four years is a long time, I'm too old". Well, in two or four years, you'll be two or four years older anyway, might as well go for it. We might not be able to use the oil from ANWR for 10 years (I don't quite understand this argument because nobody has ever given an explanation why), but when we need it in 10 years, we'll have it. It's STUPID not to drill for it NOW. Alternative fuels are not a completely viable solution right now, but we should keep working on them while we're drilling for our own oil to meet current needs. It's a no-brainer. "

AJ wrote on Jun 17, 2008 10:52 AM:

" Honda FCX Clarity Fuel Cell Vehicle
Honda has begun commercial production of the FCX Clarity hydrogen fuel cell vehicle, a car we've been writing about for a few years (see links at the end). We're not quite talking about mass production yet: Only a few dozens at first, and about 200 units within a year, but it's still a milestone for Honda and hydrogen-powered cars.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/06/honda-fcx-clarity-fuel-cell-hydrogen-car-leases.php

There are still a lot of hurdles with hyrdogen though it is promising.

I recall some time ago that an inventor (I think in France) came up with an engine which works off of compressed air, which was highly efficient and dirt cheap to own and operate. I don't remember the name of it, but I'll see if I can't dig up the info on it. "

cm wrote on Jun 17, 2008 10:23 AM:

" This should offend every US tax paying citizen.

This is not only happening in Florida, but every state in the US .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLJxmJZXgNI "

karl wrote on Jun 17, 2008 10:08 AM:

" WHere is the school board voting being done today? I was working the whole day the first time the vote came around, and I want to vote "no" today! "

horseradish wrote on Jun 17, 2008 8:34 AM:

" justventing: yeah, that will show them! WE WON'T EDUCATE OUR CHILDREN IF WE DON'T WANT TO! "

justventing wrote on Jun 17, 2008 7:24 AM:

" Just a reminder to vote NO today for the school budget. We are in control not the school board, and we already voted NO. The school board for some reason must have not graduated from High School because they do not understand NO. PLEASE vote NO I/we can't take ANY more. "

horseradish wrote on Jun 17, 2008 7:11 AM:

" The war against muslims?

When did this war start? "

brew1234 wrote on Jun 17, 2008 2:51 AM:

" Queenie made a video and it's on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/v/Xzp0S3yO1QA&hl=en&rel=0&color1=0x006699&color2=0x54abd6&border=1 "

quiveringthigh wrote on Jun 16, 2008 9:21 PM:

" LA Roadsters car show was happening this past weekend. many hundreds of cars, like 1,500 or so. For the serious street rodder.
I guess maybe the NSRA Street Rod Nationals in Syracuse will be be a show worth attending, that is, if you are into cars. "

vic wrote on Jun 16, 2008 8:48 PM:

" DD- there are engines now that run on hydrogen, and only emit water as exhaust. Great on the surface but there are some problems. The problem is where do you get the hydrogen. Although hydrogen as an element is very abundant (we have oceans of it in H2O), free hydrogen (the kind that is burned in engines) is not. You can break down water to seperate the hydrogen and oxygen, but that requires a lot of electricity. Most of the hydrogen we get now comes from another source, a by product of natural gas. So where do we get all the electricity to make the hydrogen? Burn more coal? More Nuclear?

The most hopeful thing I've heard about was this article I saw a few months ago about a Japanese company (I think it was Nissan) which is working to develope a home unit to produce free hydrogen from water. The device would have a solar panel that converts water to hydrogen all day long and only draws (plug in) electricty when there isn't enough solar. You then fill up your car at home from the device. I'm not sure how far along this is, but this is a great idea. Figures it's a Japanese company developing it, I'm sure big energy companies in the USA would fight this tooth and nail as it would make them mostly absolete. "

AJ wrote on Jun 16, 2008 7:53 PM:

" Amazing - some common ground!

The thing of it is, there is no scarcity of energy - our planet is full of it, and it cannot be created or destroyed - it merely changes form. The sun beats it down on us every day, far more than we'd ever need. The problem seems to be with the corporate interests wanting to dominate the energy market. We need decentralized energy sources in order to put these monstrosities out of power and clean up our environment. Abundant, and incredibly cheap energy is a very real possibility, but not with our current government. "

theking wrote on Jun 16, 2008 7:38 PM:

" http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/06/top_10_reasons_to_blame_democr_1.html


10 REASONS TO BLAME DEMOCRATS FOR HIGH GAS PRICES "

dd wrote on Jun 16, 2008 6:48 PM:

" Alright AJ--there must be a church burning somewhere--I agree with you on focusing on alternative fuel options. However, no one in authority wants to explore anything other than what is being done now. That includes Gore. Why is it we can blow cities up with hydrogen, but we can't mass produce vehicles to run on it. I believe the motor exists right now, just like the cure for cancer exists. It would be a huge loss for some profiteers if either of the two became wide spread. "

karl wrote on Jun 16, 2008 6:43 PM:

" Actually, some pundit brought it up today that the Saudi's are nervous that people are actually discovering ways to live with LESS oil, and that hybrid production is having a hard time keeping up with demand.
The age of the SUV is over--Ford and GM announced the end of production runs for many of their big gas guzzlers, and the Hummer sales were DISMAL last year. (YAY!)
There's now cars coming out that run of hydrogen cells--ZERO gas required!
In my opinion, we need to wean ourselves the hell off of Oil, and find alternative sources! Drilling in ANWAR would take ten years to get the oil here, and would last for only four months at CURRENT rates--not even saying where demand would be in ten years! Face it--all these calls for drilling here isn't going to do anything long-term; it only gives Republicans a wedge to use against their hated "environmentalist-nut strawmen" "

AJ wrote on Jun 16, 2008 6:26 PM:

" Say this with me, DD, ANWR would be more than 10 years away, and the amount of oil there would be miniscule. The numbers CVC presented us was someone's pipe dream to sell us on the idea.

Our best approach would be to invest heavily conservation and in alternative fuel techology. That is NOT going to happen UNTIL we get RID of the influence of the OIL companies in government policies.

Keep in mind, that a major factor in the price of gas/oil right now is the declining value of the dollar, and bears little relation to increased consumption. "

dd wrote on Jun 16, 2008 5:48 PM:

" AJ--you just don't get it. Even if the Saudis increase production, the price will escalate based on artificially manipulated circumstances. The only way to control prices is to produce our own to flood the market. Now to put it in terms you can understand AJ- More people making more stuff equals lower prices. Say it with me.....more people making more stuff equals lower prices. Good boy AJ--goo goo gaa gaa. "

dd wrote on Jun 16, 2008 5:30 PM:

" HMMMMM--today is opposite day Karl. I had a hell of a time tying my tie when wearing my shirt wrong side out, and backwards. "

chris van note wrote on Jun 16, 2008 4:47 PM:

" Let see, if we had more domestic production and less taxes...that would be a bad thing Karl?
You take it about as seriously as the congress does. "

AJ wrote on Jun 16, 2008 4:46 PM:

" Just one question CVC - where do you come up with all this idiotic nonsense? And how many times does it have to be pointed out that ANWR is NOT the answer you've been told to believe? Are you really that stupid or are you just trying to ruffle a few feathers here? "

quest wrote on Jun 16, 2008 4:41 PM:

" " Voting No on the school budget will directly effect Auburn's neediest students! It will eliminate the elementary summer school program that gives 200 students ages 4-8 extra help over 6 weeks in the summer. This funding area alone should be worth the extra $40 per household. "

nature lover wrote on Jun 16, 2008 4:10 PM:

" who wee !! that was quite the storm we just had!! Car show was great - my fav was the two guys that had the rusty old truck with the branches and leaves stuck in it to look like they just "discovered" it - cleaver. "

karl wrote on Jun 16, 2008 3:48 PM:

" Ha hA, Chris--"the Saudi;s know how to lower the prices at the pump"!!!!
LMFAO!!!!
If the Saudis' plan to pump an additional 200,000 gallons a day when the world already uses 86 MILLION BARRELS A DAY makes so much as a nickel's-worth of difference at the pump, I'll make tea out of your boiled underpants and drink it on Billy Kuf's TV show while wearing a sign around my neck that says "I LOVE JESUS AND DICK CHENEY!" LOL!
You're such a kidder, Chris! And I thought you didn't have a sense of humor? "

karl wrote on Jun 16, 2008 3:44 PM:

" DD--of course I am bigoted, racist, and ignorant--on "Opposites Day"--didn't we used to have that around here every now and then?
Others, of course, are the same EVERY day here.
Which are YOU?
By the way, on Opposites Day, you're only "Half As Smart"! LOL! "

chris van note wrote on Jun 16, 2008 3:27 PM:

" How come the Saudi king knows how to lower prices at the pump and our Democratically controlled congress doesn't seem to have a clue?

"Next month, the Saudis will be pumping an extra half-a-million barrels of oil a day compared to last month, bringing total Saudi production to 9.7 million barrels a day, their highest ever level. But the world's biggest oil exporters are coupling the increase with an appeal to western Europe to cut fuel taxes to lower the price of petrol to consumers."

Cut the taxes and increase the production.

The Democratic plan to reduce prices at the pump:
Sue OPEC = 0 savings
7th investigation into price gouging =
0 savings
4th investigation into speculators =
0 savings
20 Billion in new taxes for oil producers = 0 savings
Halt shipments to SPR = .05 cents
Total savings with the Democrats brilliant plan: 5 cents

GOP plan to reduce the price at the pump:
Bring onshore oil online (ANWR, Oil Shale) = 0.70 to 1.60 savings
Bring deepwater oil online = 0.90 to 2.50 savings
Bring new refineries online (none built since 1976) = 0.15 to 0.45 savings
Cut earmarks to fund gas tax holiday =
0.18 savings
Halt shipments to SPR = .05 savings
Minium savings with the GOP plan = $1.98

Say the average gas price is $4.08, with the Dems you'll pay $4.03 at the pump.

With the GOP plan with gas at $4.08 you'll pay $2.10 at the pump.

Any questions? "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Jun 16, 2008 3:12 PM:

" When someone calls him "Mr. ----" he always replies:

Easy on the Mr. -- I WORK for a living!

And he does too -- not many people work as hard, 24/7/365 as the small farmer.

And he's registered Democrat.

So, you see, the stereotypes and oversimplified (and prejudiced) pigeon-holing of people seldom stands up against real life. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Jun 16, 2008 3:10 PM:

" Actually, most of the world is gray, and NOT black or white. But some people can only understand their world in those oversimplified terms and feel the need to try to pigeon-hole everyone into some preconceived label.

Maybe over simplifying reality gives them the (false) sense of security that they can understand everything in a world of bewildering complexity.

Didn't attend the car show, but was out and about in Auburn and saw some nifty old cars out on the road. "

dd wrote on Jun 16, 2008 3:05 PM:

" Karl--funny--but are you trying to tell us that you are bigoted, racist and ignorant? Never met you, so I cannot comment about two of the three. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Jun 16, 2008 2:23 PM:

" Thanks, horseradish, you are right on the money. Many of us are NONE OF THE ABOVE. "

karl wrote on Jun 16, 2008 2:17 PM:

" There were definitely no CONSERVATIVE cars at the Car Show yesterday. Do Buicks count?
Lots of LIBERAL use of colored fittings, spark plug wires, etc.
Lots of GAY, happy, bright paint schemes.
Some STRAIGHT-Six In-lines too--you don't see them a lot!
I think I saw some PANSY'S planted along the Lake?...
There was none of those tiny "SMART" cars.
Real MEN drove Dodge Chargers!!!!! "

karl wrote on Jun 16, 2008 2:12 PM:

" ....bigoted or tolerant, racist or not, ignorant or well-informed... "

theking wrote on Jun 16, 2008 1:35 PM:

" because most people are either a democrat or republican, liberal or conservative, gay or straight, pansys or men, traitors or patriots, dumb or smart. "

horseradish wrote on Jun 16, 2008 1:14 PM:

" Why do people have to make everything about being democrat or republican?

do you really think that calling people names is really going to help anything? "

karl wrote on Jun 16, 2008 12:14 PM:

" Anybody go to the Car Show at the lake yesterday? They had some awesome cars there--an old, mint AMC Javelin with the Pierre Cardin package-it was stunning! What a great day! "

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