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Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:25 PM EDT

How can it be that so many county employees have access to the treasurer's office? Where are the controls and security procedures?



It is very disturbing and dangerous how so many things are off limits because of Barack Obama and his wife because you can't talk about anything to do with them. It's like what goes on in Auburn, which just wants a liberal monologue in Auburn and no dialogue at all.

Just saw on television the police officers from around the area are training to be bicycle officers. I'm curious as to whether or not Auburn is going to have officers on bicycles.

You have to be clueless not to admit that baseball is fixed to get the Yankees into post-season play, when you see the ridiculously easy 18 games they have with the National League while all their contenders are forced to play much, much stronger National League teams.

If "The Citizen" is to survive as Auburn's primary morning news source, many changes must occur. National news coverage should be a priority, not limited to one or two pages tucked behind the sports section and local issues may fade into the background.




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Farmer's Gal wrote on Jun 14, 2008 8:55 AM:

" Typo -- DOESN'T help farmers, does help corporate agribusiness. "

AJ wrote on Jun 14, 2008 8:35 AM:

" Here is an interesting tidbit from Ghandi:

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win.” ~ Mahatma Gandhi"

The truth is winning. Just don't ask the Fox channel advocates - they don't seem to have a clue.

Oh no, it's the liberals!! AHHHHHH. "

AJ wrote on Jun 14, 2008 7:06 AM:

" By the way queenie, would you mind identifying all of these liberals on the Supreme Court who made that decision? You obviously have NO CLUE, as usual. I really do not think you can characterize the Supreme Court as "flaming" liberals at this moment in time. It just goes to show how much you are out of touch with reality. Bravo to the wise decision made by the Supreme Court on this matter. "

AJ wrote on Jun 14, 2008 12:45 AM:

" So, forrest, it appears you would agree with me that Tim Russert was not exactly a liberal, right? lol... "

AJ wrote on Jun 13, 2008 11:54 PM:

" Queenie, I know you don't understand it, but that is a GOOD thing.

Only tyrants would believe otherwise. "

AJ wrote on Jun 13, 2008 11:51 PM:

" William Buckley is/was an intellect. That doesn't mean he was necessarily smart on all the issues. I certainly agreed with him on a few (drug decriminalization for one) issues, but he was way off the mark in his stance on most.

What ever made you think that Russert was an intellect? Wow. I would he agree he was generally a nice guy and all, but I'd draw the line there. He certainly did his job for the higher ups, or he was daft. I don't think he was daft, but he was certainly no intellectual either. Anyhow, RIP, if you can, Tim Russert. "

theking wrote on Jun 13, 2008 11:32 PM:

" congratulations to all the flaming liberals. terrorists who behead americans now have the same rights in court as citizens of the united states. unbelieveable. "

forrest wrote on Jun 13, 2008 10:38 PM:

" AJ, if one person misses Tim Russert, that will be one more that will ever miss you and your stupid comments. Mr. Russert was an intellect(look it up in the dictionary) you have a mental deficiency(look that up in the same dictionary) "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 13, 2008 7:23 PM:

" karl, two stroke for lawn mowers and 4 stroke for bikes. Yamaha triples. "

karl wrote on Jun 13, 2008 6:08 PM:

" LOL, Ok, movedsouth; if you say so!
Hey, how about this heat?
What do you prefer--two stroke or four stroke?
WHo's your pick for the Super Bowl this year?
LOL! "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 13, 2008 5:31 PM:

" karl, it's not Wright, it's the idiot that sat in the church listening to that hatred and then telling people like you that was not the person he knew. And you people are so blinded by YES WE CAN<, that you can't see that Obama doesn't have a clue. He lies and you eat it up. Take off the blinders. "

AJ wrote on Jun 13, 2008 5:25 PM:

" One of the most principled man in politics today, Dennis Kucinich, is on Democracy Now. Following him is Bugliosi.

Haven't seen it yet but hear it is one of the best DN shows ever. Going to watch now.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/13/despite_opposition_from_his_own_party "

AJ wrote on Jun 13, 2008 5:11 PM:

" I don't think I'll miss Russert at all. He lobbed softball questions at the criminals and did a horrendous job with the debates.

I'm sure he'll be replaced by someone equally as subservient to the priveleged elite and criminal class though, so none of you neo-nuts need to worry. "

karl wrote on Jun 13, 2008 4:44 PM:

" The passing of a giant today--Tim Russert, dead of a heart attack today.
Requiescat in Pace, SIr!!!!! "

karl wrote on Jun 13, 2008 4:00 PM:

" moveedsouth--trotting out the ol' "Reverend Wright" thing again, huh?
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN....sheesh, man; haven't you got anything else? Haven't we thoroughly demolished THAT straw man already?
Talk about a dead horse..... "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Jun 13, 2008 3:50 PM:

" Soylent Green -- the miracle food of the future -- made from humans. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Jun 13, 2008 3:48 PM:

" Farmland is already going for $4,000-$5,000 an acre -- how many acres can the average person afford? Most of the available land is snapped up by corporate industrial agriculture -- they are desperate for land on which to spread the waste by-product of their greedy rush to big profits -- and there is precious little left for anyone else, even if they could afford it. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Jun 13, 2008 3:45 PM:

" We are already paying $5-$6 for a gallon of milk -- we just don't see it coming out of our pockets weekly because it's being given to these huge corporate factory dairy farms in "subsidies." That money does help FARMERS, it helps already highly profitable INDUSTRIAL AGRICULTURE. If those subsidies were dropped tomorrow, the price of milk would be shown in its true form but it might help put small more healthily-run family farms closer to a level playing field. If we dropped this rubbish about corporations having Constitutional rights which supersede the rights of natural human persons, then we'd see a huge shift in the world and a lot more local control over the quality of our lives. "

cm wrote on Jun 13, 2008 2:57 PM:

" solent green, I remember seeing that movie in 8th grade at school no less..
I do think we will see more inflation as the years come. Maybe time to invest in a farm/or a good chunk of land that can be farmed. Then use the 401 to buy a cow. That is if there will even be a 401 available by then.

Our electric company has put in for a 10% increase in NOV. it will take that long for the "heads" to decide if they will pass it.
To me 11.00 extra a month isnt too bad, but to seniors it will be another nail in their coffin.
I believe we will be seeing more parents living with their kids.. "

AJ wrote on Jun 13, 2008 2:55 PM:

" CVC, Queenie,MS,CM, you must all see what some of your fellow military friends have to say here:

http://tinyurl.com/5jsqu8 "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 13, 2008 2:12 PM:

" That's right, or is it wright. Obama sat in church for 20 years and didn't realize what they were preaching. Now, that's really being with it. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply he didn't know what was going on. CHANGE, YES WE CAN! We'll work out what kind of change later. BTW, I have traveled outside the country. "

AJ wrote on Jun 13, 2008 2:07 PM:

" I find this very interesting, are you neo-nuts finally beginning to admit your mistake in voting for someone without any foreign policy or military experience? Of course, I'm talking about George Bush here. I'm only kidding here really, cause I know none of you neo-nuts can put two and two together anyhow. You're just trotting out an old stupid canard for propagandistic purposes.

Oh, the cognitive dissonance here is frightening.

Anyone see Jack Cafferty on impeachment recently? Check out the video here:

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/34067

I'm convinced that Randi Rhodes is correct in that the reason Dems do not want to push impeachment is because they themselves are complicit. No, Chris, it is NOT because none of the articles would stand up - the evidence is so overwhelming it boggles the mind. "

karl wrote on Jun 13, 2008 1:49 PM:

" Queenie, you're a serious id!ot. Let me state that again, with emphasis--you're A SERIOUS id!ot!
The Conservatives have already ruined the country just fine, thank you. Ain't nuthin Obama can do but bring us UP!!!!
All McSame will do is grease the slide that we're currently hurtling on down to hell!
I swear, you're like the guy warning people that the life boats are leaky while the Titanic is sinking! Or maybe the RNC, complaining today about the "declining moral climate" of the country!--yeah; that's right--you remember them, the "Larry Craig/Rev Ted Haggerty/ Newt Gingrich/Tom Delay/Dick Cheney/Bush/Gonzales party!
OH THE DELICIOUS HYPOCRISY!!!!
Take your medicine, put down the bottle, turn off Faux News, and lay off the red meat, OK? You'll feel better, I promise you. "

theking wrote on Jun 13, 2008 1:10 PM:

" karl your wrong. if mccain doesnt have the foreign policy or war experience then obama is not even close. thanks for making obama look even less experienced. also the whole world wants obama because they want to see the downfall of the greatest country that ever existed because they are all jealous. obama is just the man to do it. "

karl wrote on Jun 13, 2008 1:09 PM:

" movedsouth, to answer your question succinctly, NO. I do NOT think that these countries "would prefer the USA have a weak leader".
I almost have to laugh at how conspiratorial your outlook on the rest of the world is, if it wasn't so lamentable. You haven't really been outside the US have you? These people, these countries, are JUST AS SICK of war, and of "Terror" and hostility as I am, as indeed, WE are!
If there's one thing I think they see in Obama, it's that they miss the USA having the moral authority it used to have before the criminal neocon regime.
Lets look at McCain's alleged "qualifications" based upon his service. He went to Viet Nam. He DID NOT foight on the ground. He got shot down and captured. He was tortured, physically and mentally, FOR FIVE YEARS!!! He also attempted suicide!!! HE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH POST TRAUMATIC STRESS SYNDROME!!
I wouldn't hire this guy to be a janitor at the local high school, much less put him in charge of the most powerful military in the world!! SHEESH!
Now c'mon--honestly--can't you see this guy's psychological profile as being extremely suspicious, and prone to rash, impulsive, angry decision? You don't think this guy would get in office and need to re-assert his damaged masculinity and manhood in the eyes of his captors?
Besides that--he's TOO DAMNED OLD. He confuses something important like, every other day! "

movedsouth wrote on Jun 13, 2008 12:27 PM:

" karl, do you think any of those countries would prefer the USA would have a weak leader? arl wrote on Jun 13, 2008 10:08 AM:
" Retired General Wesley Clark just said of John McCain:
""The truth is that, in national security terms, he's largely untested and untried. He's never been responsible for policy formulation. He's never had leadership in a crisis, or in anything larger than his own element on an aircraft carrier or [in managing] his own congressional staff. It's not clear that this is going to be the strong suit that he thinks it is." I'm glad Obomba has been tested and tried. "

karl wrote on Jun 13, 2008 12:24 PM:

" Chris, of course I respect your decision to enter the military--if that's your cup of tea, so be it.
Me? I could barely get through Catholic school without having my teeth busted out by the Dean, or nearly assaulting a nun--I was always the rebel, ALWAYS! I'm NO GOOD With authority figures telling me what they think I should do, and I don't stand for people ordering me around; I would wind up in the brig for sure if I ever got drafted.
It's not a case of being "jealous"; to quote my hero, Clint "A man's got to know his limitations"--and "taking orders" is mine.
Also, "playing with little army men" has been very lucrative for me--I've been writing articles on my techniques which I use to realistically finish my models and made nearly $1,000 last year selling them to modeling publications and was actually published for my first time this January. I will also be published this November. I've made $750.00 extra dollars this year alone writing articles about "little plastic army men".
From what I've heard on the forums that I visit, "playing around on the real things" ain't much fun--lots of boredom and maintenance. Not my cup of tea, sorry.
But I do respect your vocation for your service--I just wish it didn't turn you into such a hawk. "

nature lover wrote on Jun 13, 2008 11:35 AM:

" The story I saw was a community in VT. The John Q city dwellers could look at these people as extremists like the cults that think the world is gonna end on Thursday Aug 11th 2009 or some random date. But I dont know, I think there may be something in this but then again perhaps I watch too many movies and I c gas/food running out and America turns into road warrior/solent green/idiocracy type place - cm expiration dates wont matter. People are becoming increasingly aggressive so if resources do reach the point of nil- god help us all - the ones who are 'prepared' and those that thought their CC's would get them something to eat. They say in a short 12 yrs we will c a gallon of milk over $12 and gas over $9... "

chris van note wrote on Jun 13, 2008 11:32 AM:

" Karl,
I had plenty of other options, but I chose to do a tour in the Navy, got out and went to college and got a degree.
I think that you are jealous of the real men and woman that actually do serve their country.
Karl stays at home and plays with little plastic army guys and me, the vets and current memebers actually got to use the real equipment. Feeling a bit inadequate are we?
As far as CNN goes: Who cares what the rest of the world thinks. I'm sure Al-Queda, Hamas, Hezbollah are rooting for Obama because they know he'll be soft on them unlike McCain and Bush. "

cm wrote on Jun 13, 2008 11:17 AM:

" very true FG--any of it is a costly venture. Just to begin solar is 5grand.
I am surprised their not GOV-subsized department to lean homeowners towards this direction.
The amount of monies HEAP dishes out yealry wouldnt it benefit both them and the homeowner a long term solution? "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Jun 13, 2008 10:49 AM:

" I know people who are building their own self-sustainable homes -- getting off the grid with small-scale wind and solar power, battery-powered generators, composting toilet, growing their own food, using a wood-burning earth oven, canning, smoking meats, securing their own unpolluted water supply (living on the very top of a steep hill helps make sure you won't get anyone else's polluted run-off!) But it takes a lot of work and money -- not everyone has the time, skill or cash to set themselves up so independently. "

karl wrote on Jun 13, 2008 10:37 AM:

" CNN just said that insome places of the world, Obama leads John MccAin by up to 50 points as the world's choice for a US president. Nobody, it seems, want another war-monger! "

karl wrote on Jun 13, 2008 10:08 AM:

" Retired General Wesley Clark just said of John McCain:
""The truth is that, in national security terms, he's largely untested and untried. He's never been responsible for policy formulation. He's never had leadership in a crisis, or in anything larger than his own element on an aircraft carrier or [in managing] his own congressional staff. It's not clear that this is going to be the strong suit that he thinks it is."

Resume aside, though, Clark also took issue with the Arizona Republican's instincts on national security. "McCain's weakness is that he's always been for the use of force, force and more force. In my experience, the only time to use force is as a last resort. ... When he talks about throwing Russia out of the G8 and makes ditties about bombing Iran, he betrays a disrespect for the office of the presidency."
THERE! HOW ABOUT THAT? A former General debunking John McCain as a leader who can be trusted with the machina of war!
VOTE OBAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! "

karl wrote on Jun 13, 2008 10:04 AM:

" Hey cm, it's not me slagging the military here--I don't know what you're on about. I never slag the individual boys in uniform, I just slag the damned war, and the idiots running it. Criticizing General Betray-us is not the same as "hating" on your fellow soldier buddies. Besides, I don't have anything in common as far as service with military men, so I wouldn't have the same implied camaraderie with them. Chris is criticizing THEM by criticizing the hobby that they indulge in as well.
But I'm not surprised--you'll reach for anything to try to get one up on me. I've embarrassed you so many times on this forum, you're like a 10-year old now, saying "Karl's underpants are STIIIIIINKY! LOL!L
WHy don't you try a little maturity? "

cm wrote on Jun 13, 2008 9:57 AM:

" I saw the new fire station coming the minute they wanted to close that one..
It seemed way to odd to close a more modern facitily. Plus with the crime going up APD would NEED more room.
I just didnt think they would bring it up so soon after the closing.
I bet all those that voted in these officials are ashamed they did! AS they should be!! "

cm wrote on Jun 13, 2008 9:51 AM:

" nature: I didnt see the show on stock piling food/gas but our news station did a story on a house in our area that was doing just that--ONLY they didnt secure the gas well enough and the house burnt to the ground!
Plus dont thee people know about expiration dates?
I was also watching some gabbers on TV--the usual, conserve yourself, save your money..they dont talk about "cause & effect"..
YES we can conserve(for our own bennys) but if we save save and not spend, there goes the economy more.
The only one that had an instant STOP now view was the guy that said we need to STOP these commodities people-they are the ones with tiny pieces of paper with oil amounts raising daily.
BUT the effect will be everyones "401k's" crashing!
Of course THAT group doesnt want to be responsible for that!!!

The meter reader stopped by my house yesterday-he read-walk to his truck-staring at his gadget --pushing buttons-then walk back to the meter--pushed some buttons-looking baffled--then drove away...I think the "big bill" is coming! DOOM DOOM... "

cm wrote on Jun 13, 2008 9:31 AM:

" KARL WRITES"
"Look, just because you had no other options in life and decided to run to the military to have some semblance of opportunity in your future"
THEN TELLS CVN:
"Imagine what they would say if I told them your name and asked if any of them served with you, and told them you were slagging on them? Hmm?"

WHOS THE HYPOCRIT: slagging on the them?
KARL LOGAN>>KARL LOGAN>>KARL LOGAN!!!! "

nature lover wrote on Jun 13, 2008 8:27 AM:

" QT - ya nat'l politics is boring the living crap out of me also as it has been thee subject for a chosen few for weeks now. As I said b4 its all about outwit, outpost and outsource. I would rather c stuff about local which I try to inject and is ignored.
I have seen the cops on their sicles giving out parking tics for the new odd/even parking. How about that Palesh and the fire chief wanting one fire station and build a new one to boot? Must be he was inspired by that archectural work of art in Skaneateles.
Anyone have an opinion of the group of people (survivalists) that are stocking up on fuel/food etc as they c regular people becoming violent as our resources dwindle? ABC will be doing a show in July showing the panic that can occur in as little as 12 years...just food for thought... "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Jun 13, 2008 7:16 AM:

" Yes, the Auburn Police Department has a couple Harleys. And yes, the Ithaca Police do their bicycle training every summer right here at Ithaca College.

How's that for non-political content? "

candi wrote on Jun 13, 2008 6:01 AM:

" LOL the policemen around here are too lazy to get on a bicycle. They would rather turn their lights and sirens on to fly through the red lights and when they pass it, turn them off and ride the speed limit. "

karl wrote on Jun 13, 2008 12:14 AM:

" A lot of the people in GITMO are innocent Iraqi's simply swept up in street sweeps.
Regardless, Habeus Corpus should apply. GITMO will always be America'a shame before the world. "

karl wrote on Jun 13, 2008 12:13 AM:

" It's true--the city of Auburn wasted the taxpayers' money on those junk machines. Promptly wrecked one too, because apparently the officer was unprepared to judge the considerable stopping distances of one of those pigs vs a crotch rocket. I still haven't seen one on the streets anywhere!
What a waste-shoulda bought Suzuki's. "

excnyer wrote on Jun 12, 2008 10:47 PM:

" Is it true that the City of Auburn bought motorcycles (Harleys) for some members of the police force? If so, what the heck were they thinking? Auburn has snow covered streets for almost 6 months of the year! "

theking wrote on Jun 12, 2008 9:57 PM:

" enemy combatants should not have the same rights as US citizens. a bunch already went back to iraq and killed US soldiers after being released. they should all be put on a boat and used for live fire military training. "

quiveringthigh wrote on Jun 12, 2008 9:53 PM:

" C'mon enough of Politics. Can't anyone talk about anything else?? "

karl wrote on Jun 12, 2008 9:43 PM:

" Thank God for the Supreme Court's TIMELY and WISE decision granting legal status to the detainees at Guantanamo! Another blow to Bush and McCain!
Hopefully, some of the innocent peole there will be able to return home to their families, and maybe, just maybe, this will set a precedent for the indictment of George W Bush and Dick Cheney!!!
ONLINE READER--stick it in your McEar! GO OBAMA!!! GO OBAMA!! GO OBAMAAAAAAA!!! "

theking wrote on Jun 12, 2008 9:36 PM:

" Every solution currently under consideration by the Democrats and Republicans is a future solution. Oil drilling and processing is a present-day technology that offers the quickest solution to our energy needs. As the other technologies are gradually proven and perfected and go on-line, we can then reduce our dependence on oil.
Right now, with the Democrats in charge, global investors realize that Congress will never allow the United States to develop its own energy reserves. With a Democratic President it would be even worse. If the Democrats stop their obstruction of drilling, that would immediately put downward pressure on such speculation in the oil futures markets.
If the Democrats go after NYMEX, then oil speculators will move the futures markets overseas to a more friendly economic host, such as Dubai. We must address the fundamentals of supply and demand, instead of blocking every chance we get to create jobs and wealth in America through domestic production. "

OnlineReader wrote on Jun 12, 2008 7:58 PM:

" Why don't all you liberals shut up!!!!!
Vote John McCain....... "

karl wrote on Jun 12, 2008 5:21 PM:

" John McCain said "I think George Bush's economic policies have been pretty good" Strike Nine...and counting....
By the way--has anybody seen Bush meeting with his "old friend" Belusconi?-=only one of the biggest crooks in Italy--is anyone surprised?!
Birds of a feather...QUACK!!!! "

karl wrote on Jun 12, 2008 5:17 PM:

" And Chris, John McCain is so narcissistically obsessed with promoting himself as the "Big Bad War Candidate" that he doesn't even get it about this war and how ready these troops are to come home.
Look, just because you had no other options in life and decided to run to the military to have some semblance of opportunity in your future doesn't mean that you should insult the guys--YOUR FORMER BROTHERS-IN-ARMS, I remind you--who build models. Imagine what they would say if I told them your name and asked if any of them served with you, and told them you were slagging on them? Hmm?
For your information, Captain Never-Admit-What'S-Obvious, it happens to be a great source of peace and relief for a lot of these guys. A lot of them even have built models of their Hummvee's, or tanks, in memoriam to their friends who have died.
YOu know--it just hit me--you're no better than John McCain--you yourself have served, but you don't give a damn about your fellow brothers who watched YOUR back; you'd rather insult them while pumping yourself up as some dubious hero.
I am decidedly NOT IMPRESSED. "

karl wrote on Jun 12, 2008 5:09 PM:

" cm, by the way, I just read your post about the Cuban boats coming to the USA--stupidest thing you've written in like, three hours! LOL!
Talk about desperately reaching for just about anything!
LOL! "

karl wrote on Jun 12, 2008 5:05 PM:

" cm, sorry, you're wrong--the guys I talk to are former front-line troops. They post their pictures, complete with memorials and tributes to the friends of theirs who aren't coming back.Besides, it wouldn't matter one bit whatsoever if they were National Guard units--if they saw Iraq service, they're qualified to have an opinion.
Stop moving your goalpost-on-wheels, oK? "

cm wrote on Jun 12, 2008 2:44 PM:

" karl if your pals online are Ex-military but dont want to return then most likely they are NAtional Guard-at which they VOLUNTEERED to sign up for after they were discharged-knowing full well there is a chance of war at any given time. They also most likely resigned to keep some military bennys-such as medical and pension.

As for the contractor-he too makes his own choices to put his life on the line to make ALOT of TAX free money.

Now go ask a fireman is he really wants a fire?
Or ask a cop if he really wants to be in a shootout?
or in simple terms go ask your parents how many times they really wanted to leave their kids with a sitter but they needed to? "

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