" karl if your pals online are
Ex-military but dont want to return then most likely they are NAtional Guard-at which they VOLUNTEERED to sign up for after they were discharged-knowing full well there is a chance of war at any given time. They also most likely re-signed to keep some military bennys-such as medical and pension.

As for the contractor-he too makes his own choices to put his life on the line to make ALOT of TAX free money.

Now go ask a fireman is he really wants a fire?
Or ask a cop if he really wants to be in a shootout?
or in simple terms go ask your parents how many times they really wanted to leave their kids with a sitter but they needed to ?? "

" I found this on the Al Gore Internet(tm):

As for me, because I’m preemptively being defined as a racist (since I most certainly won’t vote for Obama), I’ve decided to step up to the plate and embrace that definition. From here on in, I’ve got my mantra.

When I vote against Obama on November 4, 2008:

It won’t be because Obama wants to withdraw from Iraq, which I think will weaken America’s interests beyond repair, it will be because I’m a racist.

It won’t be because Obama thinks that a nuclear Iran is no threat to the Western World, it will be because I’m a racist.

It won’t be because I think it’s an incredibly stupid idea for the most powerful nation in the world to approach evil totalitarian dictators as a supplicant, it will be because I’m a racist.

It won’t be because I hate the idea of a President who will subordinate America’s interests to the UN (as he inevitably will), it will be because I’m a racist.

It won’t be because Obama has the thinnest resume ever in the history of Presidential candidates, it will be because I’m a racist.

It won’t be because I think Obama’s Leftist connections (Ayres, Dohrn, Soros, Pfleger, Wright, etc.) show him to be either stupid about or complicit with an agenda antithetical to basic American values, it will be because I’m a racist.

It won’t be because Obama consistently chooses as advisers people who have opted for the wrong side in the completely binary debate about Israel’s right to exist, it will be because I’m a racist.

It won’t be because Obama wants to socialize American medicine, which I believe will destroy the high quality of medical care available to most Americans, it will be because I’m a racist.

It won’t be because Obama wants to gut the military and reduce us to a nation with a big target painted on our collective backside, it will be because I’m a racist.

It won’t be because Obama wants to gut the Second Amendment and destroy Americans’ Constitutional right to protect themselves from foreign and domestic enemies, it will be because I’m a racist.

It won’t be because Obama has already announced loud and clear that he will support activist judges who place their “feelings” above the law, it will be because I’m a racist.

It won’t be because Obama supports judicial decisions creating a right to gay marriage, when I think that decision is one for the voters, it will be because I’m a racist.

It won’t be because Obama’s announced that he will dramatically increase taxes, putting the slow, inflexible, ill-informed government in charge of what should be a quick-reacting, knowledgeable marketplace, it will be because I’m a racist.

It won’t be because Obama’s record in the Senate (albeit short and undistinguished) has been so liberal he makes Teddy Kennedy look like a reactionary, it will be because I’m a racist.

It won’t be because Obama’s an open-borders kind of guy, it will be because I’m a racist.

It won’t be because Obama has shown himself to be a scarily slow thinker and speaker when released from the teleprompter (which really doesn’t bode well for those cozy private chats with Ahmadinejad, Jong-Il, and Assad), it will be because I’m a racist.

It won’t be because Obama’s wife clearly loathes America and everything it stands for, despite the fact that she’s done pretty well out of it, it will be because I’m a racist.

It won’t be because Obama was affiliated for more than 20 years with a church that preached white hatred and began to care only when it looked as if it would affect his campaign, it will be because I’m a racist.

It won’t be because Obama was good buddies with Tony Rezko, and other sleazy characters (showing again that Obama was complicit or a singularly bad judgment of character), it will be because I’m a racist.

It won’t be because Obama’s a compulsive liar who clearly thinks we in the public are too stupid to catch up with his lies, it will be because I’m a racist.

It won’t be because Obama’s campaign has proven to be fly-paper for every two bit troofer and anti-Semite in America, it will be because I’m a racist.

It won’t be because Obama’s promised already to start down the totalitarian path of purging his predecessors through criminal prosecutions, it will be because I’m a racist.

All things considered, when I think about being a racist as I’ve defined it, not as they have, let me say it loud and let me say it proud: I am a racist — and, on November 4, 2008, this racist is not voting for Obama. "

" Couldn't resist the Monty Python moment:

Sung to Lemming of the BDA

Sgt Karl, Sgt Karl... Sgt Karl of the MBB...Sgt Karl, Sgt Karl...Sgt Karl of the MB...Sgt Karl of the MB...MB, MBB.

'IT'S A MAN'S LIFE IN THE MODEL BUILDERS BRIGADE' "

" Sgt Karl of the Model Builders Brigade:
Really? You mean they don't want to go back to a 130 degree desert and get shot at and leave their jobs, families and friends? Maybe we should change your nickname to Captain Obvious.
Since we have an all volunteer military, everyone who signs up knows what to look forward to.
I deployed and was floating around in the ocean for 6 or 7 months at a shot, working 12 to 16 hour days for little money. I knew what I was getting myself into when I signed up at age 17.

So Sgt Karl of the MBB: Are you actually admitting you were wrong about the McCain quote? "

" karl tell that to the illegals, that right at this moment, are willing to die/drown by leaving cuba to come to the USA> maybe google maps can show you satelitte of the boats! "

" cm, as usual, you've just proved that YOU do the same which you would accuse me of (something distinctly Freudian going on there....hmmm?)-picking a few words and hen morphing them into "facts".
Read Queenie's post again first--he makes a silly claim that "We are that hot chick. everyones jealous and will do anything they can to take us down."--implying that everyone wants to be like the USA, everybody is jealous of the USA.
"...they will make up anything about her to ruin her reputation and make her ugly and nasty so no one will like her".
Nothing about talking to people in the slums--just talking about general people's opinions of the USA.
My cross section of higher-ups and kids from the street is as good a representation as you're going to get.
On the other hand-your contention that one should speak to the slum-dwellers is just plain stupid--of course people living in poverty want to come to a nation that basically oozes greed, opulence, and money-but it doesn't mean they'd like it when they got here! "

" Chris, I'll have you know, that a LOT--and I mean A LOT--of our ex-soldier buddies are on this website building plastic models too. Actually, to be honest, more guys ARE ex-military than not! And--"Holy Shock and Awe, Batman!!--we do talk about the war too.
Two of by best online friends are an ex-tanker, and an ex-Hummvee patrol soldier. They BOTH dread the day they have to return. They BOTH have found good civilian jobs, And they BOTH have families--a new baby for one, and a new fiance for the other. We even have a current "contractor" over there working for Hallibuton, though I'll admit I don't speak personally much to him.
Face it, buddy--you just can't admit ANYTHING against your beloved Conservative delusions, can you?
I guarantee you this Chris; if Obama had said what McCain said, YOU would be all over him like a horse fly on cow dung. You know you would, so really--if you're going to even attempt any integrity on your arguments, puhleeeeze, how about some fair play. Your consistent, willful blindness is the most evident characteristic of your posts. "

" excellant CVN! As usual Karl speed hearing-misses the whole sentence and grasps onto 3-4 words then inbeds them into his memory and spouts them as the facts!

Karl: not denying you been to other countries--but you seen the "fun" or "entertainment" sides, and maybe driven thru but not stopped in the slums because it wasnt safe.
Now Hubby and other military personel are the ones that have stopped in the slums, lived in the slums, and placed their lives on the lines all around the world. They hear/still hear the lower classes of the countries begging to go to America!
Of course the likes/opinions of yours eating steak would totally differ from those begging for a cup of rice!

AJ: of course you'd rather get phoney info from a web site-that might not even be military or ex-military; since you can't see/feel/touch a web person
(for all we know it could be the written word of a drag queen who just performed in vegas online typing)
VERSES the TRUE HEROS that are right down the street from you!!! COWARD! "

" Karl builds models and is on a WW2 modeling website so he's an expert on the military...Holy visions of grandeur batman. Those who can actually join up, those who do nothing but run their mouths play with little plastic army guys apparently...
Here is the context of what Sargent Karl was talking about:

Matt Lauer asked about the surge strategy in Iraq: "If it's working Senator, do you now have a better estimate of when American forces can come home from Iraq?"

McCain replied: "No, but that's not too important. What's important is the casualties in Iraq, Americans are in South Korea, Americans are in Japan, American troops are in Germany. That's all fine. American casualties and the ability to withdraw; we will be able to withdraw. General [David] Petraeus is going to tell us in July when he thinks we are.

"But the key to it is that we don't want any more Americans in harm's way. That way, they will be safe, and serve our country and come home with honor and victory, not in defeat, which is what Senator Obama's proposal would have done. I'm proud of them. And they're doing a great job. And we are succeeding and it's fascinating that Senator Obama still doesn't realize that."

McCain's concern is to ensure the safety of the troops--an objective that is far more important than any specific timetable for withdrawal. "

" Our feckless Democratic leaders are at it again. Pelosi and Reed stated in 2006 that they had a concrete plan to reduce our pain at the pump..considering that gas prices have almost doubled since we've had a Democratic congress...
And some more wisdom from the Democrats (I think that they are purposefully trying to drive us into a full blown recession):

Democrats Block Attempt to Open Up Offshore Drilling Fifty+ Miles Off Coast

A House subcommittee on Wednesday rejected a Republican-led effort to open up more U.S. coastal waters to oil exploration.
Rep. John Peterson, R-Pa., spearheaded the effort. His proposal would open up U.S. waters between 50 and 200 miles off shore for drilling. The first 50 miles off shore would be left alone.

But the plan failed Wednesday on a 9-6, party-line vote in a House appropriations subcommittee, which was considering the proposal as part of an Interior Department spending package.

...

Most offshore oil production and exploration has been banned since a federal law passed in 1981.

"We are kidding ourselves if we think we can drill our way out of these problems," House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey, D-Wis., said during the bill mark-up session.

For his part, Peterson said: "There is no valid reason for Congress to keep the country from energy resources it needs."

"I'm disappointed. I did not expect a partisan vote today. I felt we had a chance of winning this. A lot of Democrats have been talking favorably about my amendment. They know we have to do something. But today was an absolute show of Pelosi power, it was dealt from the top down," Peterson said later, speaking with FOX News, adding he was open to other energy solutions, including wind and solar power.

According to Peterson's office, the U.S. Minerals Management Service estimates that 86 billion barrels of oil and 420 trillion cubic feet of natural gas can be found along the U.S. outer continental shelf, the area affected by the ban.

...

"Tapping America's huge reserve of deep ocean energy helps us fight terrorism and increases our domestic energy supply, which will help put downward pressure on gasoline prices," Greg Schnacke, President of Americans for American Energy, said in a news release, adding: "With Americans suffering at the gas pump and with higher energy bills, it's a no-brainer that the OCS should be developed." "

" I don't know why my computer sometimes posts posts before I'm finished typing them? Must have crumbs in my keyboard?
SO, AS I WAS SAYING;
YOU GUYS WANT TO VOTE FOR McCAIN?!
I'll bet it "mattered" to him when he was a prisoner in Viet Nam!
I can't believe he can then turn around and be SO UN-empathetic!!
WATCH KIETH OLBERMAN TONIGHT!!!--He's going to "rip him a new one" in a "Special Comment"! WOO HOO! "

" SO how about John McCain, saying "...that's not really important" when asked when the troops might comes home?
Jeezus! What a bone-headed statement!!!!
DO you think the troops are as cavalier about getting home to their families, spouses, and children?! "

" cm--the short answer--I'm very active on a military modeling website (building plastic models of tanks, WWII scenes, etc) and know MANY soldiers, trust me--and many--not all--hate this war and the president just as much as I do. "

" Queenie, let me ASSURE you--the United States USED TO BE the "hottest chick in town", but then that video got out of her picking her nose and her hairy underarms,, and the intern at the clinic put out the word that she's a regular there for penicillin and RU486.
Queenie, let me "burst YOUR bubble" as cm would say--I have been all over the world, as you know. TRUST ME, with no sarcasm, when I tell you that what you believe to be IS NOT SO. I know MANY Germans, French, and Czechs who have said that they have NO INTEREST in coming to the United States whatsoever.
I know this because, being the politically-minded, inquisitive person that I am, I have brought the subject up regularly with friends, business associates, and plain old fans.
Countries where people WOULD come from?--Turkey, Brasil, Bulgaria--but the verdict is NOT "unanimous". by ANY means. And there is NOT a lot of envy either for the American war, politics, diet, nor medical system, in our similarly-developed European cousins.
Seriously, my information comes first-hand--not from the opinion pages of some dodgy Conservative monthly mailing of Faux News talking heads.
And I have news for you---they didn't have to do ANYTHING whatsoever to "bring us down" or "ruin our reputation"--we did that to ourSELVES, with our president, VP, and our reckless nationalism and religious arrogance. The USA's ambassadors these last few years in important positions like dealing with bodies that delegate monies for AIDs funds and World Family Planning Centers and Humanitarian Aid had been replaced by Bush. He appointed a lot of arrogant, pushy religious ideologues. In many cases, other countries' ambassadors/delegates walked out of important meetings because these religious nuts would NOT release aid or monies to countries for instance, which provided birth control measures to their Poor. Now, that is in an effort to stop both overpopulation and disease--two epidemic problems in underdeveloped, under-nourished areas of the world. THEY wanted "Abstinence" pledges, believe it or not!! In one case, some countries actually REFUSED the ridiculous conditions AND the monies, and took up collections from other European countries to make up the deficit, telling the USA ambassadors basically to take our monies and shove 'em!
Situations like this, combined with the War, and other issues, have made us "the B!tch" that a LOT of countries have NO INTEREST in bedding! "

" AJ -- your message said goodbye, so I asked if you were going on a vacation. "Pourqoi" is "why" and "tu" is the familiar form of "you" (hope you don't mind that I didn't use the formal "vous.") Here's the loose translation:

You, AJ? But why? A vacation, perhaps? Very good. See you later.

Have been too busy to write more than a frivolous note in passing. "

" Well, CM, I think I would rather trust
the opinions of these people here. No need to go to the armory.

http://ivaw.org/wintersoldier "

" karl you must be upset that your stuck in the world of a never ending crusade between muslims and christians. i call myself a christian but if my parents were muslim id be a muslim. it seems odd that most of the death in this world is due to religion although i dont see any solid evidence of allah or jesus. sometimes i think religion was just a way to keep order but who knows. anyways i guess when i see the muslims hating on the christians i must take the side of jesus. therefore i feel the need to support israel to the end. "

" Congress makes no sense...lets tax the 5 gas companies a % over what "we think" is way over profit..then give it back to them if they use it for producing other energy alternatives, BUT these alternatives have already been banned and you cant drill here/put a nuke plant there/etc.....
sounds like a plan!????

for kicks-lets assume we get 1 billion in collected tax..where is this money going? is there a new fund/bank account that will be called US Energy building fund? how much will we pay a few administrators to operate this fund?

they never have an answer! "

" Karl you would be the first person screaming "someone better/should be helping the shites before they are all killed!"
Just like HELP myanmar--well ok we tried and we sailed away- when people there start dropping like flies from disease-YOU'll still blame Bush!

YOU are not in Iraq but I know some that are-and one that just returned from there----they are happy Saddam is gone, they do worry what will happen when the troops leave, they didnt expect a civil war, and the good ones love the soldiers!
I will state AGAIN maybe you and AJ should take a stroll/bike ride to the ARMORY and and have a conversation with those that were there and just got home.
Or are you afraid their words/stories will burst your liberal bubble you live in? "

" karl the united states is like the hottest girl in high school right. and all the other girls (nations and liberals) hate that hot chick just because she is so hot and gets all the guys. they will make up anything about her to ruin her reputation and make her ugly and nasty so no one will like her. that makes them feel better about themselves. catch my drift? you and all your liberal buddies and other countries hate the US because we are the best. We are that hot chick. everyones jealous and will do anything they can to take us down. "

" Queenie--I have to sincerely bellylaugh at you for the absolute caricature which you have apparently drawn for yourself concerning my "Liberalness"!
Boy, you've got every cliche and generalization filed against me as if YOU KNOW! LOL!
For the record, Queenie Mohammed Stalin, I am NOT a radical environmentalist. But I do believe that the Earth is more precious than money and profit--judge away, sir.
And for the record--NO!--I do NOT believe that millions would be killed if we withdraw. I think the Iraqi's are just as sick of war as I am. The truth is, you have just as a caricatured opinion of Iraqi's and Muslims as that no-brain, cm.
But you have ME wrong, sir--honestly; although I understand how and why that serves your prejudices. "

" horseradish - if every country had nukes the world would be destroyed in 2 days. we have 2 choices, let everyone get the bomb or keep others from getting it and use our military power as a deterent. karl logan, your so into humanitarian things but what do you think would happen if we pulled out of iraq? dont you think millions of people would be killed. if we made such a mess why dont you support us fixing it to help the iraqis? aj, we have technology to drill for oil in environmentally friendly ways. i guess you'd rather see the US follow the roman empire than spill one drop of oil in the ocean. you must rather the chinese and columbians who are 50 miles off our cost getting oil spill it, right. who do you think would be more cautious of the environment. the chinese are slant drilling and taking our oil. i havent come across a liberal with any common sense either. you know i never will either. "

" AJ, sorry to see that you are not gone. If you had the reading comprehension, you would have realized that I did not say to get rid of welfare, but monitor it more closely. Down south, Walmart is paying $10/hr for entry level cashiers. I think Cayuga Co. had a program years back to have welfare people clean up Owasco lake park. I think most just didn't show up. OK, you can say some had health problems, but if you believe that was the real problem, you are living in lala land. If you are able to work, you should not receive FREE money without working! "

" Aj where did I get in on this welfare subject?
since you invited me, Yes many are working BUT many more are not. I have no problem with anyone getting help-as long as the attempt to help themselves.
I wish more would use it to their advantage not as a permanent lifestyle. "

" CM, are you off your meds again...?

I am really having a hard time following your logic. "

" I'm surprised noone picked up on the Putin being from Germany comment. I'm still curious to see if anyone has figured this out. "

" It might surprise you, ms,cm and queenie, etc., that a lot of "welfare" recipients are actually WORKING people. In fact, all you need to do is get a job at Walmart to find out about all of the splendid benefits that comes with being a part of the working poor. Walmart is pretty candid about it. "

" ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST:

"I am not vetting my VP search committee for their mortgages," Obama said TUESDAY.

...key member of Sen. Barack Obama's vice presidential search team, Jim Johnson, is stepping down after criticism over a mortgage he received, the Obama campaign said WEDNESDAY. "

" I believe we need welfare and food stamps, but we need more control. If you can work and there is ANY job available, you don't need a free pass. I guess that's why Obama is loosing some of the black vote because he says everyone will have a job. "

" "a chance to defend themselves?"

How is that working (dr.Phil)
with the all the car bombs/suicidal nutcases/water poisoned?

we have pushy button toys to attempt to stop another country from bombing us--you think iraq has no radar and weapons??

How much do ya bet that if we yelled "duck" those WMD's would creep out of the ground and mountains?? "

" sorry brew But I have yet to meet a Liberal with a lick of common sense! "

" On the front page-local news title-is that a PIC of the BOE?
you notice NOT a one is looking at the public???
Plus attempting to nearly cover their faces..SHAME SHAME "

" FG - I'm sure what you said was a nice gesture, but I do not understand more than a few words of French. Anyhow, I was actually making a snide comment in regard to a previous post. It was late/early, so I may not have been as clear as I thought I was.

How about a French lesson though? Porquoi? tu?


lol... "

" but who cares if the us economy tanks, we dont want to hurt a couple fishies, right aj and karl? "..

Who cares if we obliterate the coastline and irreperably damage the ecosystem? Yeah, really smart queenie.

As for eliminating welfare to pay for your insane military buildup, forget it - the numbers are miles apart. "

" Naw, Queenie--just end the damned war, and we'll have billions to spend. "

" aj i already have a way to pay for it. eliminate welfare. eliminate food stamps. eliminate unemployment. stop paying for illegal immigrant childrens education and healthcare... shall i go on? "

" AJ, my thoughts were that I hope you're not leaving for health reasons, I wanted to wish you well. BUT I GUESS YOU'RE NOT LEAVING! "

" cm, honestly--if you can't see how dropping a nuclear bomb is different from a civil war where people would at least have the chance to fight back and defend, well I don't know if my explaining it to you would do any good! LOL!
Besides, this whole THEORY of an imminent "genocide" is just a red herring put forth by the pro-war lobby who, again, are using FEAR to dictate policy. Fear of some alleged "massacre". This is an unproven theory. Secondarily--if we're so afraid of a genocide, why the hell aren't we in Sudan then, saving all those Sudanese? Really now--ask yourself that question and attempt to answer it with any honesty!
The humanitarian thing would be to leave and let the country recover--the violence is a response to US being there in the first place! Besides, at some point, UN peacekeepers should take over the Humanitarian aspect, and get the actual US War Machine out of the picture. "

" so, theking, are you in favor of allowing any nation the opportunity to have nuclear weapons?

i mean, everyone would want/have them if they had the know how.

the fact is its a double standard. we are allowed to have whatever we want and where ever we want it, even if it is in a sovereign nation. but oh no, no one else can have anything.

i guess you would allow other nations to have bases in our country too.

yeah, i bet. "

" According to Peterson's office, the U.S. Minerals Management Service estimates that 86 billion barrels of oil and 420 trillion cubic feet of natural gas can be found along the U.S. outer continental shelf, the area affected by the ban. but who cares if the us economy tanks, we dont want to hurt a couple fishies, right aj and karl? "

" if you want it doubled queenie, maybe you and your wingnut friends can pay for it yourself, if you like wasting money that it. You're insane. "

" ok I am game...

what kind of goodbye?
to Art who? "

" Chris Mattthews brought up an interesting point last night--that the "impeachment" of Bill Clinton was purposely calculated to give the American people a "bad taste" for impeachment--so the Republicans could get awa y with more in the next presidency. Interesting fodder for thought.
Chris, you're entitled to your opinion, but you don't put OLD MEN in charge either--McCsin has ALREADY shown serious signs of not remembering or completely making up statements or votes he allegedly made--he's on his way to senility. I could see him waking up one night after a bad "war prisoner" dream, and pushing the bir red buttin in a fog!
Besides, contrary to your opinion, it actually takes MORE maturity to think beyond the black-and-white borders which typically characterizes Conservative thought. Your side is more like a child, which acts on emotion--even as you purport to disdain that response. The Liberal mind is more refined, more deep, with more layers, and able to think and see beyond raw, primordial animalistic decisions. "

" Karl it has nothing to do with Hubby's 10yrs in the navy. In living that life there are both good/bad sides. There IS a huge waste in military spending-that could be cut in one department and given to another. Just like any other job the high officers know more than the lower employed. Like any job the lower employees can sometimes run circles around the upper officers.
The Christian thing? They are killing themselves in the name of Allah. If they think no different of their of their God and Bible then why should I?
The big picture as Brew stated last week is WHY dont they divide their areas instead of these bombings?GREED!(yesterday? over 100 killed with one bomb) Their Allah doesnt say do that nor more than my Christian says that!
BUT if thats what they feel then why not give them what they want-DEATH!

I would like OUR soldiers to come home safe. YES we are at a point, where we have done our job, GOT RID of Saddam, with a few bonus Osama followers.

In pulling out soldiers the group we are aiding shites would be the next genocide.So what about them?
The sunnis sabotage water & electrical infrastructure, Just do the Liberal thing and leave? Isnt that a NON-HUMANITARIAN ----in your world the big pic is:
War END = = =genocide of shites

How is that different my big nuke drop?
Isnt the outcome the same???? "

" Neither a liberal or a conservative may have any common sense. But a liberal will have laws passed to create common sense and a conservative will fight to the death for the right to not use common sense. "

" I was just reading on AOL about living past 100..the oldest documented person lived to 122---if we will have no SS by the time most on this site is 68 how will we ever make it past 100?

http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/_a/115-year-olds-brain-in-top-shape/20080610100309990001?icid=1615984945x1203971443x1200410500 "

" Tu, AJ? Mais pourquoi? Une vacance, peut-etre? Tres bien! Au revoir! "

" come on aj we already had our military cut drasticaly in the 90's. we need to double it. karl every country in the world would have missle defense if they had the know how. its a reality of life these days and in the future. go AWAY obama. "

" Oh Karl, I don't hate anyone. I just think that most liberals are emotionally stunted and naive, like children really. And you don't put children in charge of a country, this isn't Lord of the Flies.

And about your impeachment nonsense:
The Dems are smart enough to realize that an impeachment trial would open the door to the full reading of reports like the Rockefeller report, on live TV, with lots of people watching. And with the Rockefeller report, as I mentioned, indicating that Bush's statements were supported by the information available at the time, that would give the Dems not just egg on their face, but a whole omelet. "

" Hello. Somehow I doubt this will
mean much of anything.


Au re voir...

Art "

" I didn't know Putin was from Germany. Did anyone else here? lol... "

" What will save Bush and Cheney is not the lack of evidence, as that
has already been widely proven on all counts - It will be the depth
of corruption within the system.

A current AOL poll indicates a majority back impeachment in spite of the lack of critical coverage and the media deciding the issues. Scientific polls less recent noted a near majority with an upward trend.

The majority has woken up, but it remains to be seen whether or not Bush CO will be held responsible. "

" "Missle defense program"--only the HUGEST SHAM ever foisted upon the American public, indeed the world!!!
It's so huge, Billy Fuccillo ought to be the spokesman for it!
What a crock--I swear, if I was president, that would be the SECOND thing I would axe, after "Abstinence" funding!
GO OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

" umm... hey, can someone pass me the pepper. Hurry up before my baked potato gets cold.......... "

" ....obama also vowed to slow our development of future combat systems and dismantle the missle defense progam. yeap i'd feel real safe with this amateur in office... NOT! "

My understanding is that his positions on defense doesn't match this rhetoric.

In any event, cutting the obscene "defense" budget in half wouldn't hurt us in the least, and in fact, would be a boon to everyone (aside from the military contractors).. "

" did anyone hear obama at the townhall meeting. hes not so tough and cool when he doesn't have a teleprompter. he sounded like the studdering kid in billy madison. it would cost ten uh ten uh uh ten times uh ten ten hold on uh ten te te te ten hold on i cant hear myself uh ten ten ten times ten....obama also vowed to slow our development of future combat systems and dismantle the missle defense progam. yeap i'd feel real safe with this amateur in office... NOT! "

" well, cm I would expect that sort of an "approval" from a "the world is black and white" fool like you. Hey, who cares about a couple million innocent women and children, right? Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out right? How "Christian" of you--you'd have to be a religious person to think that way--an Atheist would NEVER sink to that level of barbarianism.
(SHUDDER!!!!) And you have children yet? That scares me more than anything!
By the way--are you aware that the inability to detect nuance (look it up) is a (or should I say "another"?!) sign of limited intelligence?
Me? Scared of the world? LOL! Oh you KIDDER, YOU! LOL!
Who's been the ones SKEERED of the BIG BAD TERRORIST! WAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!????
NOT ME!!!
Spare me all the predictable, useless "what if" rhetoric--you just don't get it do you? Whether you realize it or not, you're just attacking the messenger once again because you don't like the message; furthermore, you KNOW that what me and AJ says is true' you just can't stand it, so you attack us.
You're the one scared--like as if it would devalue your husband or something if we admitted this war is lost? No problem, cm--I see the trap you're caught in. "

" Karl, me, whatever, part of the reason impeachment has been avoided has to do with their fear of being pummeled by the "liberal" media. Bush is not being accused of an ordinary BJ, after all. I understand their fear, but the protection of the constitution should trump everything. "

" Its not really that people are brainwashed--it is the facts that SOME people have no self-esteem and they falter to what sucks them in--(in their minds)-
whether it be a fake religious group, KKK, ACLU,Y2K, terrorists,Obama,or whatever nut case they deem is GOD in their heads!
Could be prenatal, could be postnatal. "

" please karl the reason the
(CONGRESS-the 535)
cant jail Bush is because they would all go down with him!Afterall they voted and majority won! Afterall Saddam is gone! Afterall-tis not we killing the sunnis/shites-they seem to like to do it to themselves for fun!
personally I would give Bush my total approval to just drop a big one on them all(in the name of allah) and be done with it.
Again of you want to whine about the friends of terrorists getting "WET" and breaking rules--ask a sunni/shite why they BEHEAD, face-to-face! if you got the guts like OUR soldiers do!

Which we all here know You DONT..you hide behind you liberal views to mask how scared you really are of the real world--OUR soldiers may be scared but they arent sitting on their comfy couch.

hmmm.BEHEADED or WATER you pick! "

" Oh believe me, Chris--I'm not holding my breath on the Impeachment thing--not with the wimps in Washington who are more concerned about keeping their jobs than meting out anything approaching Justice!
But actually, what planet are you living on? Nothing that "sticks" LOL! Are you serious?! LOL!
Give me a break. The fact is that the slow, grinding wheels have just barely started to turn--when Bush is finally put on trial, we'll see who's laughing.
Sure, other presidents have done bad things in office--Nixon got impeached, and so technically did Bill Clinton, as you love to remind us (essentially, for getting a BJ in office--big deal!).
Yet this SOB starts an illegal war to "ensure his legacy", kills thousands in the war, ok's torture in defiance and violation of the Geneva protocols, undermines the Constitution and evades our Civil Rights, (Did I mention lying?) and you're ready to write him a get-out-of-jail-free card?
Seriously Chris--what's the matter with you? Are you honestly so consumed by your hatred of your precious caricatured "Liberals" or the refusal to admit that you're wring, that you honestly can't admit that Bush is a scumbag who's ruined the country?
Or is that just your indoctrinated "respect" for the "Commander in Chief" no matter how much of a criminal he is?
YOu seriously scare me sometime--that they could create one such as you, so willing to look the other way at plainly illegal activity that has taken INNOCENT LIVES--AND THE LIVES OF YOUR FELLOW SOLDIERS TO BOOT! SHEESH!
Get a GRIP! "

" Thanks me, er, a, Karl!

Wow, I wonder what happened to Boobie today. "

" CM, are you really trying to tell us that people cannot be brainwashed, or did I miss something?

I suggest you read some of Edward Bernays' work, or watch the "century of the self".

I was going to suggest that it would be hard to imagine anyone holding that opinion, then I remembered who I'm dealing with here. "

" So, CM, where were you when it was reported that your pal Bush was involved in shady and illegal stock deals, and even had the nerve to talk like he was going to do something about it where others were concerned? Oh now I remember, the "liberal" media barely touched the story.

So where's the beef, cm? The article did not state that Obama was the one receiving preferential treatment. Not that I care much for Obama - he appears to be yet another establishment tool with a great message, but don't you think you're wasting your time on this? "

" When you got to the showroom, the car is really appealing; it's got that new car smell and all the bells and whistles.
But then you've got to decide, can I afford the payments?”

“I think when people start looking at what Obama is saying, the very last thing they need in this tough economy is more tax burden on their families and their future.'' "

" It's remarkable that Obama could talk about housing, talk about ethics, and fail to mention that he entrusted the single most important decision in his campaign, the choice of the vice presidential running mate, Mr. Johnson, who benefited from preferential lending at Countrywide and state financial payouts.

Wall Street Journal report that said Jim Johnson, the mortgage executive leading Obama's vice presidential hunt, had received preferential home loans, the reported loans to Johnson from Countrywide Financial raised troubling questions.

Countrywide has been the subject of angry attacks from Obama for giving its executives hefty payouts while seizing the homes of troubled borrowers.

Obama campaign shot back that the article had been " irrelevant."

"Americans know that we face a critical choice in this race -- and it isn't about the terms of an outside advisor's loans. This race is about leadership, and which candidate will crack down on fraudulent lenders and bring real relief to Americans struggling in the grip of the housing crisis," said Obama.

REP's:
"It takes a lot of nerve for Obama to stand before voters, speak to the rising costs hurting families, attack his opponent on the housing crisis, and completely ignore the fact that both he (Obama &Rezko) and his campaign leadership (Johnson) have enjoyed housing deals that no average North Carolinian would be able to access." "

" Yeah, thats it Karl. No president until GWB ever did anything untowards while in office...Not Nixon, not Clinton, not Harding, etc...
You would think that with all the Bush haters, they would have come up with something that would stick. Waxman got anything? Nope. Jay Rockefeller? Nope. Anybody have anything concrete in the legal sense? Nope.
What do we have is a bunch of whiney liberals that are ticked off that the sane don't follow or believe in their pc, surrender monkey mentality.
Good luck with the whole impeachment thing. "

" NO, Chris--"Impeachment" is about one thing--JUSTICE.
Do you remember "Justice" Chris?
It's what we USED TO HAVE in this country's highest offices until Bush got into office and politicized the Justice Department to work only for him and his fellow crooks!
HAIL TO DENNIS KUCINICH!!!!
Great posts AJ, uh,...I mean "myself"! LOL! "

" Its not possible to be brainwashed-one must be BORN that way.
just as you are BORN brain---well==lets be nice and say there is some sort of conspiracy happening there.
Let me ask Bush what he did with it and I'll get back to ya... "

" Politics is always a good issue, because at the end of the day all can be resolved. "

" cm wrote on Jun 10, 2008 2:17 PM:
" The "liberal" media is NOT all over it because they know they dont have a leg to stand on!
More BS of "he said/she said" "

No it is not BS. It's all fact based, but you are so brainwashed that you can't separate truth from lies. Fox sure has done a number on you and CVCoulter.

Good one Chris, did you come up with that all by yourself or did you steal it from Laura Ingraham? Since you never come up with anything original to say, I would put my bet on Ingraham coming up with that nonsense. While she is almost always wrong about everything, she does have a way with words. "

" Kucinich is a nutjob and doesn't have a leg to stand on legally. This impeachment obsession of the left isn't about policy differences, it's about power and validation. Impeachment is just the tool by which left seeks to legitimize their anger and lunacy. It's symptomatic of the adolescent state of emotional development liberals are stuck in. "

" The "liberal" media is NOT all over it because they know they dont have a leg to stand on!
More BS of "he said/she said" "

" You'd think the "liberal" media would be ALL OVER this. I haven't seen much of anything yet.

Congressman Kucinich has laid out an extensive indictment of the president. Here is the index of article titles:

Full Text: http://chun.afterdowningstreet.org/amomentoftruth.pdf

Article I
Creating a Secret Propaganda Campaign to Manufacture a False Case for War Against Iraq

Article II
Falsely, Systematically, and with Criminal Intent Conflating the Attacks of September 11, 2001, With Misrepresentation of Iraq as a Security Threat as Part of Fraudulent Justification for a War of
Aggression

Article III
Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Possessed Weapons of Mass Destruction, to Manufacture a False Case for War

Article IV
Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Posed an Imminent Threat to the United States

Article V
Illegally Misspending Funds to Secretly Begin a War of Aggression

Article VI
Invading Iraq in Violation of the Requirements of HJRes114

Article VII
Invading Iraq Absent a Declaration of War.

Article VIII
Invading Iraq, A Sovereign Nation, in Violation of the UN Charter

Article IX
Failing to Provide Troops With Body Armor and Vehicle Armor

Article X
Falsifying Accounts of US Troop Deaths and Injuries for Political Purposes

Article XI
Establishment of Permanent U.S. Military Bases in Iraq

Article XII
Initiating a War Against Iraq for Control of That Nation's Natural Resources

Article XIIII
Creating a Secret Task Force to Develop Energy and Military Policies With Respect to Iraq and Other Countries

Article XIV
Misprision of a Felony, Misuse and Exposure of Classified Information And Obstruction of Justice in the Matter of Valerie Plame Wilson, Clandestine Agent of the Central Intelligence Agency

Article XV
Providing Immunity from Prosecution for Criminal Contractors in Iraq

Article XVI
Reckless Misspending and Waste of U.S. Tax Dollars in Connection With Iraq and US Contractors

Article XVII
Illegal Detention: Detaining Indefinitely And Without Charge Persons Both U.S. Citizens and Foreign Captives

Article XVIII
Torture: Secretly Authorizing, and Encouraging the Use of Torture Against Captives in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Other Places, as a Matter of Official Policy

Article XIX
Rendition: Kidnapping People and Taking Them Against Their Will to "Black Sites" Located in Other Nations, Including Nations Known to Practice Torture

Article XX
Imprisoning Children

Article XXI
Misleading Congress and the American People About Threats from Iran, and Supporting Terrorist Organizations Within Iran, With the Goal of Overthrowing the Iranian Government

Article XXII
Creating Secret Laws

Article XXIII
Violation of the Posse Comitatus Act

Article XXIV
Spying on American Citizens, Without a Court-Ordered Warrant, in Violation of the Law and the Fourth Amendment

Article XXV
Directing Telecommunications Companies to Create an Illegal and Unconstitutional Database of the Private Telephone Numbers and Emails of American Citizens

Article XXVI
Announcing the Intent to Violate Laws with Signing Statements

Article XXVII
Failing to Comply with Congressional Subpoenas and Instructing Former Employees Not to Comply

Article XXVIII
Tampering with Free and Fair Elections, Corruption of the Administration of Justice

Article XXIX
Conspiracy to Violate the Voting Rights Act of 1965

Article XXX
Misleading Congress and the American People in an Attempt to Destroy Medicare

Article XXXI
Katrina: Failure to Plan for the Predicted Disaster of Hurricane Katrina, Failure to Respond to a Civil Emergency

Article XXXII
Misleading Congress and the American People, Systematically Undermining Efforts to Address Global Climate Change

Article XXXIII
Repeatedly Ignored and Failed to Respond to High Level Intelligence Warnings of Planned Terrorist Attacks in the US, Prior to 911.

Article XXXIV
Obstruction of the Investigation into the Attacks of September 11, 2001

Article XXXV
Endangering the Health of 911 First Responders "

" easy brew. its obvious you leftists never heard of FREEDOM. what laws will they try and pass today? "

" The conservatives once again try to squash free expression and the flow of information. Have you ever heard of freedom of the press? You are still trying to create the impression that you are the majority. "

" CVCoulter, as usual, you're wrong.

The original House version:

* Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
* Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)

* Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
* Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)

The Senate version:

* Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
* Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator John Tower of Texas)
* Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure)
* Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%)

From a percentage standpoint, fewer Democrats opposed than Republicans. And this was more a geopolitical vote than partisan anyway, if you look at it from a South/North perspective.

But when have the facts ever gotten in your way? "