Gay marriage not matter of morality but equality

Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:25 AM EDT

“My goodness! Where will this end?” asks Peter K. DeBellis with the typical misguided paranoia and scientific ignorance of the conservative viewpoint when confronting the reality of gay marriage and homosexuality in general.
First of all, let's get something straight; being born gay to the extent that one could or would even think about marrying another of the same sex for life is neither a “lifestyle,” nor a “choice.” It is a scientifically proven fact discovered, tested and replicated by Dr. Gunter Doerner at the University of Humboldt in Berlin. It doesn't matter one hoot if you “don't agree with it.”

This is not the same as “situational homosexuality” which occurs in the deprivation of the opposite sex such as in prison. Furthermore, when re-introduced to an opposite-sex partner, very few “situational homosexuals” continue with relations with the same sex - much less marry one!

Many people who are born gay also spend years in “phony” marriages due to social pressure and fear, until they “come out.” These examples are, however, perhaps from where the pervasive myth of “lifestyle choice” originates.

People such as Mr. DeBellis should reflect upon Barack Obama's astute characterization of the changing cultural paradigms of today's younger generation.

“Kids #- 7, 8, 9 years old #- take for granted now that, of course, a black can run for president. Of course, a woman can run for president. There's a matter-of-factness to it that I think bodes well for the future.”

There is also an undeniable and unstoppable movement to reject the 1st-century unscientific ignorance of religious-based bigotry and to once again embrace the true ideals of the Enlightenment values upon which our country was founded “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness #- for all #- gay people included!

It's not a question of “morality,” but of “equality” #- and it's about time!

Karl Logan

Auburn

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EJ2521 wrote on Jun 12, 2008 4:42 PM:

" DD---my pretend doctor world? As in pretend do you mean I pretend to treat people and I cash my pretend paycheck? I guess a bigger question is..why do people care so much? Is it going to hurt anyone if we let two gay/lesbians get married? I know people well say its corrupting our heterosexual marriage and the belief that only man and woman should be married. But come on..marriage isn't all that sacared anymore with people divorcing at a rate of 50% and people getting divorced after 54 hours of marriage, love is love. "

cm wrote on Jun 12, 2008 11:16 AM:

" MzHavisham: is that the best you have? no opinion?!!

How about discussing gay divorces?
In order for it to happen you have to establish residency in a state/country that approves the marriages-which are MA/soon CA/and Canada....which due to laws right now, divorce can include several different court sytems.

THEN: in michigan one cannot get the others health coverage since their law says marriage is between a man/woman.

In NY (last yr) a man couldnt recieve work comp bennys after his married partner was killed in an accident.

A recent NY group sued the governor for oversteppiong his bounds approving healthcare for gay spouse.

It may be easy to LOVE but as in man/woman marriages it the honeymoon can end at any time! "

doodles13021 wrote on Jun 12, 2008 11:14 AM:

" Gay, straight...what difference does it make. If you love someone and want to spend your life with him or her, go for it. Gay gene or no gay gene...a person is who a person is...Nature/nuture/heriditary/environmental.. "

MzHavisham wrote on Jun 12, 2008 9:49 AM:

" CM: Just once, could you please think before you type? "

karl wrote on Jun 11, 2008 9:20 PM:

" cm--you "see no reason" for Gay Marriage?
How about "LOVE" you pompous, ignorant fool? "

karl wrote on Jun 11, 2008 9:19 PM:

" Sorry, folks--it was an irresistible night for motocross, and I was indulging my vice like a dirty drunken fool! AH! The smell of premix!
NOw, where were we?
OK, LISTEN UP PEOPLE!
THERE IS NO--I REPEAT--NO GAY GENE!!!
AND THIS IS NOT WHAT DOERNER AVERRED.
So get over the whole "Gene thing" OK?
It's a prenatal "sexing" of the brain, due to hormonal fluctuations in the womb. period. Doerner proved it, repeated the experiment, proved it again, created "gay" rats, found LH surges ONLY in Gay men (as opposed to straight).
Furthermore, Gay men perceive smells exactly like a female, with regards to the sweat of heterosexual men. The SAME reactions that females have in the brain, so do Gay men. "Straight" men did not-totally different pattern. Proven by the Karolinska Institute.
I'm not even going to waste my time refuting cm YET AGAIN--it's just seriously starting to bore me.
DD--your theory about prisoners is just that--YOUR "personal" theory. It's completely at odds with the research, so you're entitled to it at your own risk of remaining ignorant. Yes, true--there ARE die-hard "straight men" in prison but just like there are bisexual men AND women, it is entirely feasible and realistic that if people can be born with a huge myriad of physical traits, it is perfectly reasonable to believe that there are 1 Straight, 2 Gay, and 3. In-Between, or bisexual.
The loneliness of prison could be the "push" over that line for some guys. For you to paint it in black and white is just, well....expected! LOL! "

cm wrote on Jun 11, 2008 8:09 PM:

" Other than recieving a social security check from your "spouse" I see no point in gay marriage. The say they dont have spousel rights but you can list anyone as benficiary on any document.
A marriage certificate is nothing but a piece of paper, just because your are married doesnt mean your spouse "leaves" you all his/her property. "

cm wrote on Jun 11, 2008 8:04 PM:

" actually EJ2521 , I would LOVE you to show it to KARL who is the one that says NOT a gay GENE>>
archive Mr. DeBellis letter/ and two cents!
One of my points to karl is that one cannot be born gay unless there IS a gay gene. I have yet to find a gay gene in any research-feel free to share your links! "

dd wrote on Jun 11, 2008 7:05 PM:

" Karl-your theories have some holes. Ever heard the old addage--you can lay a million bricks.......but you (I am going to clean this one up) have gay sex once, and you are the gay bricklayer. So, as for the prisoners who have gay sex----hello!!! they are gay. There are plenty of prisoners who don't practice homosexuality in prison Karl. You say that people are born that way. Indeed there is no gene connected to homosexuality, however, I feel that the tendencies to be attracted to the same sex is "in you" from an early age, if not when you are born. Others are "gay" and throw it around so that they are considered different. I think people are gay, just like some people are athletic, mean, smart, stupid, ugly, by nature, etc. Is ther a gene that is specifically designated for any of the preceeding examples? So EJ2521, while you may feel there is a specific gene just like Down Syndrome, or dwarfism, you just keep dreaming in your little pretend doctor world. Now, on to your Dr.Doerner. For every one doc that proves one theory, there are others that can dispell it. You have only offered the "evidence" of Doerner with regard to being born homo. I don't recall you telling us about any other studies Karl. I agree that gays deserve the same rights as everyone else. Live and let live folks--your life will be easier. "

EJ2521 wrote on Jun 11, 2008 4:44 PM:

" CM--I would like to see the studies that proves there is no gay gene. I did my doctoral thesis on homosexuality and the proof of a gay gene, and it is very true. I would be glad to share my 300 page doctoral thesis with you, and it is current its only two years old, so there you go its within your five year info requirement. My big question is who cares who people want to marry. Love who you want to, marry who you want to. God forbid everyone is treated equally... "

cm wrote on Jun 11, 2008 3:42 PM:

" Old news Karl, got something in the previous 5 years..not info from the 50's..that been disproved by atleast 20 other doctors.
Karl also states one is BORN gay..but yet he says there is No gay GENE..
what makes you who yo are??
Postnatal !! "

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