" Oh, that kind of implant. I had a student worker who had one and it gave her terrible skin and other problems. I still don't trust anything that messes with your hormones if there's nothing wrong with them. Hormones control your metabolism, your sleep patterns, your sex drive, your personality and lots of other critical functions. If they are seriously out of whack, OK, treat them. If they aren't, do not mess with them - the balance is delicate and it is not fun when they are not right.

But, to each her own. It's still a very personal choice, but thanks for the clarification. "

" The chief opponents were Democrat Senators Sam Ervin, of later Watergate fame, Albert Gore Sr., and Robert Byrd. Senator Byrd, a former Klansman whom Democrats still call "the conscience of the Senate", filibustered against the civil rights bill for fourteen straight hours before the final vote. The House of Representatives passed the bill by 289 to 126, a vote in which 79% of Republicans and 63% of Democrats voted yes. The Senate vote was 73 to 27, with 21 Democrats and 6 Republicans voting no. President Johnson signed the new Civil Rights Act into law on July 2, 1964. "

" CVCoulter, as usual, you're wrong.

The original House version:

* Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
* Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)

* Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
* Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)

The Senate version:

* Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
* Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator John Tower of Texas)
* Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure)
* Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%)

From a percentage standpoint, fewer Democrats opposed than Republicans. And this was more a geopolitical vote than partisan anyway, if you look at it from a South/North perspective.

But when have the facts ever gotten in your way? "

" ...and the relevancy f that post to today's topics is.......what, Chris?
(".....must....discredit.... the Democrats!....must....discredit...!") LOL! "

" FG
The implant is put under the skin in the arm. "

" On this day in 1964, Everett Dirksen (R-IL), the Republican Leader in the U.S. Senate, condemned the Democrats' 57-day filibuster against the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Leading the Democrats in their opposition to civil rights for African-Americans was Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV). Byrd, who got into politics as a recruiter for the Ku Klux Klan, spoke against the bill for fourteen straight hours. Democrats still call Robert Byrd "the conscience of the Senate."

In his speech, Senator Dirksen called on the Democrats to end their filibuster and accept racial equality. The Senate and House votes for passage showed that Republicans supported the 1964 Civil Rights Act much more than did the Democrats. "

" cm, I use a condom EVERY TIME< without exception--even with my girlfriend of 4 years and 4 months so far! The pill doesn't prevent disease transmission either, which is all the more important why schools should be teaching about the correct way to use them! (Yes, I know they don't prevent warts--still no reason not to teach about using them!)
vic, I know about Wegman's not selling cigs--I meant in mini-markets. Still--people buy booze ALL THE TIME from Weg's! "

" Sorry about the cabbage, cm -- it can be tough to grow. Needs water and the right kind of soil, as well as the very diluted dish soap and water spray to keep the bugs off -- maybe other factors too. I can't tell from here and am far from an expert. Farmer Guy is only just putting his plants into his veggie garden this morning.

Birth Control: My aunt had an IUD (i.e. an implant) -- it got loose and roamed around her insides until it stuck one bit of itself out through her stomach wall. No way I would trust something like that and I sure as heck wouldn't put one in a child/young woman mandatorily.

I also remember thinking when I first hit menarche, man, if I have to go through the grief, discomfort and inconvenience of being physically an adult, I want the benefits as well. I can easily imagine a young girl who might have held back and waited until she were a bit older, maybe for fear of becoming pregnant, thinking, heck, if they are going to stick this implant in me on the assumption I'm going to screw around, I might as well do it.

No, that's a bad plan.

And I don't trust anything that messes with the natural functioning of your hormones, particularly if there isn't anything wrong with them, and particularly not in girls and young women whose bodies are still forming.

Again, this comes down to a very personal choice and I would not want anyone, and particularly not the government, dictating what I had to do with my body, much less what young women in their physically formative years have to do. I don't have a problem with the schools teaching them the basics of how the body works and the possible alternatives for birth control, but parents do need to take more of a role talking with their kids about the less tangible stuff like values, responsibilities, respect for others and yourself, etc.

But I don't want the government dictating to any of us what they are going to demand we do with our own physical selves.

In the end, kids will grow into the adults they are going to be. Parents can give advice, set examples, try to be guides, but the kid is the one who has to decide who he or she is going to be. "

" Karl you haven't seen anyone walk out of Wegmans with cartons of cigs recently, they (the whole chain) stopped selling cigarettes a few months ago. "

" My Senators'(REP) newsletter states On Friday, he asked Congress to approve nuke energy --it doesn't help with today but atleast he's looking ahead.

the good news on high gas prices will be: less monies needed next year for the infastructure in high taxed states such as NY & CA--since the FED taxes on this years gas will triple that fund! "

" Justventing,
Basically cut back on everything!
I have altered my routes/trips-I fill my tank once every 2 wks
(pd.3.84 at sams club saturday)
When I run one electrical item-such a A/C the pool pump goes off.
I also just read cell phone chargers just left in the outlet takes up energy--best to use a multi-strip and turn it off when not needed-same with microwave.
My biggest unsolved problem is the electric-it has me and the electric company baffled.

Stay away from meals that need the oven-use a grill.
Pull some recipes from the NET-healthier to make more home-cooked items than frozen food. The initial start up for spices/flour/etc might hit your wallet but you will not use them for just one meal.
(I found a delicious alfredo sauce that takes 5 minutes to make-can be used for many types of dinners)

my neighbor is growing above ground veggies-she has a green thumb/and will share.
(FG-the cabbage died)

I am glad my daughter is out of school-less driving each day, and less school costs.
She has 3 regular inexpensive activities=girlscouts/sign language class/bowling league.
lastly-I am a born shop-a-holic, I already have Xmas gifts in my closet.
So I have to "slap my hands" alot...
ok--mainly when the electric bill comes!!lol "

" karl if you believe the PILL is the best--I hope you are using your own male prevention-
I know several women who have become pregant on the pill! "

" i hear ya karl. anwr may not be the solution but i think costal drilling and exploration is a must. the dems need to allow it. it is a national security issue. "

" Queenie, let me assure you that I am no fan of radical environmentalism--jusy one more thing you can cross off your "list" against me.
By the way, I saw an interesting piece today on the Anwar oil reserves and the feasibility/effects of drilling for oil there.
The "high side" reserve estimate--which is like, 9 billion barrels?--would take 10 years to get to us, and would last all of 4 months at current oil usage levels.
It's clear that drilling in the Anwar would not be the huge "fix" as you seem to think.
What needs to be done is to make more efficient vehicles and cut ol/gas usage. WHich is why I ride a motorcycle, and drive a small pickup. "

" Kucinich introducing 35 new articles of impeachment live on cspan now:

http://c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

More info here:

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/

Maybe now you wingnuts can figure out why he was forced out of the debates. "

" Please Mr Citizen, can you make these guys there own little forum? "

" Here is an email I just received from Robert Wexler regarding McClellan's being called to testify under oath.....

Dear AJ,

Our campaign for accountability for the Bush administration is making legitimate progress.

I am pleased to announce to you that the House Judiciary Committee has met my public call for Scott McClellan's immediate testimony with action:

Today, Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers officially invited Mr. McClellan to testify under oath on Friday, June 20th at 10AM.

After all of our hard work pushing for impeachment hearings for Vice President Cheney – the McClellan hearing provides our cause with a legitimate opportunity to showcase the crimes and violations of this Administration for the American people, the mainstream media, reluctant members of the Democratic party, and sensible Republicans. This hearing provides us our first genuine opportunity to enter the public consciousness and change the dynamics that have prevented true accountability for Bush and Cheney.

Mr. McClellan was a major figure in the Valerie Plame/CIA scandal, as well as a leading propagandist for the Bush White House's deliberate attempts to hide the true costs of this war from the American public. As such, Mr. McClellan will testify under oath (and be subject to perjury charges should he lie) and be asked about the following matters:

1. What role did President Bush, Vice President Cheney , and key administration officials take in the effort to reveal the identity of covert CIA agent Valeria Plame Wilson – thus destroying her network and putting lives in jeopardy?
2. What role did President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and key administration officials take regarding the firing of U.S. Attorneys or political reasons?
3. What role did President Bush, Vice President Cheney, key administration officials take in conspiring to blatantly break U.S. and International laws prohibiting the use of torture?

I call on Mr. McClellen to immediately accept this invitation and testify under oath as he previously agreed to while being interviewed on national television.

During the hearing I will have roughly five short minutes to question Mr. McClellan and undercover the illegalities committed by this Administration – which is why it is critically important that every representative on the Judiciary Committee hears your voice. Please let them know that you demand answers to these questions.

Nor should it stop there: Karl Rove has thumbed his nose to the Judiciary Committee's subpoena – joining Harriet Miers, Joshua Bolten and Vice President Cheney's Chief of Staff David Addington as the only Administration officials in history to claim Congress has no power to even bring them before a committee to be questioned.

I have called for Karl Rove to be held in inherent contempt and for the other renegade officials to appear as required by their subpoenas, or be forced to do so by the House Sergeant of Arms.

What the Judiciary's request of McClellan proves is that if we stay vigilant – if we call loudly and repeatedly for accountability - that we become very difficult to ignore.

Please stay tuned. I hope for more developments soon.

With great respect,

Congressman Robert Wexler...


Now if only the spineless Dems would use inherent contempt against Rove, Meiers, Bolton, etc, we might get somewhere. Oh, did I forget impeaching Cheney and Bush for war crimes? That too. "

" Karl, I think queenie is actually our old pal Boobie - remember him? Seems to have left just before queenie took his place. Remember what a pathetic idiot he was? "

" Another useless waste of bandwidth and disk space from queenie. By the way queenie, would you please STOP YOUR SHOUTING? It may even be more irritating than your nonsense.

So, you want to talk about big government do you? As if your buddy George didn't usher in the biggest government expansion in history. Please get a clue.

Regarding McClellan DD, all I know is that so far, what I have heard, dovetails well with things I already knew a long time ago. Stuff which you and other neocon sycophants/crazies refused to accept when it first became known, and you STILL don't seem to get it. Sheesh - blind as a bat.

Karl, should we switch back now? lol...
BTW, took a nice ride to Filmore on the ol Suzuki this evening. Was quite pleasant indeed. "

" Sometimes I think there should be a 3rd choice in The Citizen Voting Booth for "Who Cares?" "

" OK I LIKE BBQ SAUCE. SORRY KARL HATE TO BURST YOUR BUBBLE BUT IM NOT MOVED SOUTH. ALSO YOU SAY CONSERVATIES ARE RUINING THE COUNTRY HAHAAHA. I LEARNED TODAY THAT SO CAL HAS NO WATER BECAUSE A FISH GOT CAUGHT IN A PUMP NEAR SACRAMENTO AND THE ENVIROMENTALISTS NOW HAVE THAT SHUT DOWN. WHO NEEDS WATER RIGHT? I ALSO LEARNED THAT SEATTLE IS OUTLAWING BONFIRES ON THE BEACHES BECAUSE THEY SAY IT CONTRIBUTES TO GLOBAL WARMING AHAHHAAHAH. ARE YOU KIDDING ME. DID YOU EVER HEAR OF LIGHTNING OR FORREST FIRES? ITS GOOD TO HEAR THAT KARL AND HIS IMAGINARY FRIEND AJ DONT LIKE PELOSI. I NEVER THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE ONE THING RIGHT BUT I WAS WRONG. OH I FORGOT WHERE BUT IT WILL BE ILLEGAL TO LET YOUR CAR IDLE FOR MORE THAN 3 MINUTES!!!. IF OSAMA I MEAN OBAMA GETS ELECTED THERES A LOT MORE OF THIS STUPID CRAP COMMING. NOT TO MENTION THE LARGEST GOVERNMENTAL EXPANSION SINCE THE NEW DEAL WHICH IS DISGUISED AS GLOBAL WARMING. "

" Not too happy with how the NYS Fair will be handling the wine vendors this year. They wont be in same location - will be under just two tents now and the largest u can buy is 10oz. Seems to me they are shooting one of their biggest draws in the foot!!

Justventing...I honestly dont know how people w/kids are doing it. My work is at home so gas isnt a prob but it has driven up the cost of groceries. BJ's really does save cash if u r a member and I have convinced myself to not go to the store so often which has forced us to pantry raid. U may be surprised what u have in your cupboard to eat. Have bkfst for dinner some nite too! I detest leftovers but I refuse to throw one drop out. Most recipe sites allow you to type in a main ingredient so u have options for creativity. Try some new veggies/fruits at store that u wondered what the heck is that? They fill u up fast - we just tried a jicama - yum.

And I must protest this heat - WTF?!? dying here...lol "

" movedsouth, what exactly is a "queers"? "

" Ok dd! I'm game! As soon as Queenie admits he's movedsouth, and you admit yo're really Chris. and cm admits that she's usually wrong! LOL!
signed, Karl/AJ, aka, "KayJay" LOL!
(who said I didn't have a sense of humor?!) "

" same two cents, let's move on. No queers and no political bashing. "

" justventing, I ride my motorcycle everywhere--I leave the truck parked until I absolutely need to transport something too big for the rack. I'll even rise in the rain!
I need my landline phone number for my business--too many people have my number, plus I don't like the information about cell phones and brain tumors. And I do have hi-speed and cable. Luckily, I don't have to really "drive to work", so I save a lot on gas.
But I'm totally uninsured--id I get sick, or hurt, I pay--but luckily I lead a pretty healthy lifestyle.
I DO AGREE with you about one thing--BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL!!! Boy does that station Pi** me off! They are fully 14 cents higher than the other station right down the road!
Here's a great tip--lay off the beer and cigarettes--you can save thousands a year--I still can't believe seeing people walking out of mini-markets and Wegman's with cases of booze and cartons of cigs! Glad I do neither! "

" Gee, isn't there one person that agrees with the statement that McClellan may be wrong a more than a few points? All of you experts on the topic know only what this man wrote. You have formed theories (none of which are origional I might add) about Bush, the war, 9/11, and this book. Most of the people that have worked for or with me have a bad taste in their mouth whether they leave a job or are fired. I think McClellan is sour, and is trying to capitalize on Bush the same way Gore is on man bear pig, uhem, global warming farce. Oh, did I type farce, I was only thinking farce. Karl, and AJ--you leave no room for any other theories. I think you are one in the same. Karl, if you would just admit that you are AJ it would save alot of typing time. Now if you don't want to, its ok too. You and your imaginary friend "AJ" can type all you want, and I'll be ok with it. Can you do me one favor? Just type your initials at the end of "AJ's" rants, so we know which ego is typing that day. "

" Well, justventing, if the American people could actually do something about the military-media-congressional-complex, we might have a shot at saving a couple of thousand a year in taxes per family (or so). They have the biggest scam going selling fear, and it protects their imperial ambitions.

As for Pelosie, she's a dirt bag and I don't know of much of anything she or Reid has done for the good of this country. She took impeachment off the table and to my knowledge has not done anything to hold the major oil companies accountable.

The current crop of Democrats, with a few exceptions, are just about completely worthless. Both parties have been so thoroughly co-opted by big business that there is no way anything positive will ever be accomplished for the American public.

CVN, CM, you really should turn off your televisions and read some worthwhile books that have some facts in them. "

" How are you coping?
Curious as to how are you paying for gas groceries etc. If you are like me, I haven’t had a raise in years, so the money is coming from somewhere else. No trip this year, never going to Mobil “the highest priced gas station in town”, putting more on credit cards, downgraded to basic cable only 8.00 a month, no land line phone “saves 70.00 a month, just cell phone, etc.
The only people who are doing well are the gas stations, and grocery stores, because they just raise their prices with no loss of profit. Not fair is it?. Anybody have any more tips to save? "

" ......about condom usage, STD's and pregnancy DON'T WORK!
It's been proven OVER AND OVER AGAIN! THE FACTS back it up! Case CLOSED!
On the other hand, The Pill DOES work--as it has for millions of women in preventing pregnancies since its inception. 97% success rate--or whatever it is--is pretty damned "work" in my books!

Chris--I'm sorry if you are stymied by my obstinacy in refusing to soften my views or concede point which I do not feel valid. You yourself do as much evading, ducking, and ignoring as you would accuse me of!
Yes, Religion is bunk. Read a couple books, Chris and find out for yourself! Your problem is you hate the learned intellectual stereotype, without arming yourself with the tools to fight. YOUR problem, not mine. I've done my research--HAVE YOU?
Yes, COnservatism is bad for America--it should be outlawed as a political party in the way that Nazism was banned after WWII. I say that based upon the results of Conservative policies as evidenced by the state of the Nation, the Economy, the War. Can't deal with the facts, Chris? You're the one always sqwauking about "facts"! Well, Conservatism has RUINED this country.
Wanna attack the "messenger"? GO right ahead--I can take it. "

" Cm, you're wrong, and you know it. But ok, if you want to play the semantics game, I'm in!
"Abstinence" as a personal affectation and committed choice DOES work. Obviously, if you don't have sex, you don't have risks.
But ABSTINENCE PROGRAMS WHICH PUSH IDEOLOGICAL WISHFUL-THINKING OVER REAL FACTS "

" Karl, you just proved my point.
I wonder why you have a need to be "right" regarding OPINIONS? You have a seemingly obsessive need to be "right" no matter what the subject.
If its religion, you know everything because you read a few books and we lowly Christians are just gullable hicks. When it comes to politics, we conservatives are evil and greedy war lovers. Facts don't come into play unless you agree with them or they substaniate your point of view.
Maybe you should accept the fact that others have different views and willingly consider them, rather than fight them. Believe it or not Karl, you really don't know as much as you think you do. "

" There are implants on the market to prevent conseption. All teens should have one. When you can prove that you can support a family, then the implant could be removed.You need a license to drive, why not a license to have a child? "

" karl--- your are always looking at the little things and not seeing the big picture.
no one will ever know what the truth may or may NOt be concerning the reasons for war. But its on and not going away right now and its rid US and the people of Iraq a scumbag of a leader. So being a humanitarian as you claim then Saddam gone for whatever reason = GOOD!

All this gas/energy BS is simply because DEMS dont want drilling/upgrades/any kind of savings to the public. And isn't it convenient that just when farmers are having their BEST year financially due to corn/ethanol that DEMs PASS the farm bill which aids the rich farmer???
One goal here is to get the long hated farmers on their side-but in the long run the farmers too will get the shaft.

Congress is NOT for benefiting the people --they are in it for themselves.
we will never ever be told the 100% truth on any subject--thats the big picture.
The 535 can add "glaze" for FG & CVN, "bbq sauce" for King, "salt & pepper for you & Aj--but for me
"its still a duck" "

" karl, Abstinence does work--
the billboards,tv commercials that promote abstinence don't work..
The education class at school does not work, the PILL does not work, NoR does pretending to take care of a plastic crying doll..
All of the above are nothing but simple aids to help deter teens.
Just as adults need preventative health care--teens need preventative becoming parents care.
Is it wasted monies? I don't think so because reality is we cannot stop teens unless we lock them up until they are 18--which by law we cannot do!

A few teens/with good parents do pay attention and have their minds on different goals, the billboards and now Kmart's line of clothing is a reminder/follow-up!
A few teens do NOT get needed info from parents, and learn the wrong things from friends-a class may aid those.
The Pill is semi-good if remembered to be taken!
The fake doll can easily be left in the closet--afterall its FAKE.

I feel shock treatment works the best--all 8th graders should have a mandatory program where they take care of an actual baby for 2 weeks with adult supervision. "

" I didnt mean the question as if you said it..I meant it as a question in general.. "

" IN all the oldest religions, "God" was indeed "female".
It's why we still say "mother Nature", "Mother Earth" etc.
It wasn't until the misogynistic "Patriarchal religions"--Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, that "god" became "male"--with the shift away from a caring, compassionate, life-giving "mother" goddess to a stern, punishing, killing, warlike "male" God.
If you ask me, we were better off with female "gods". But of course, you can see why the degradation, subjugating and dehumanizing aspects of women were incorporated into the "Garden Of Eden fable--woman had to be made into a "product" of Man, and blamed forever for the "Fall" by eating the apple. It is not insignificant as well, that she took the wisdom form a "serpent"--one of the oldest phallic symbols in history. Women were widely envied and decried by the religious ascetics for their sexual prowess abilities far above that of the Man! "

" chris, sorry if I strike you that way; really. I'm not losing sleep over it though. There IS no room for "because I said so" mentalities in the issues at hand--I'm sorry if you think that because I won't lean over to your ideas that I'm being "arrogant, self-righteous, and sanctimonious"--I'm just holding my own line. Besides Chris--YOUR "side" was the ones telling us for * freaking years now that Bush and his war were all legit, that the war was going to pay for itself, that the economy was strong, That "Abstinence" worked, that "Liberals" didn't know what they were talking about, yada, yada, yada.
YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING.
I think I'm entitled to a little self-righteousness. "

" I made no comments on the gender of god or gods.

My comments were on some psychologically warped author who posits that the most important thing in life is the keeping of power in the hands of males and that "civilization" will crumble if women are allowed any part of either power or culture.

In fact, according to this LeBarre (as filtered by CVN), "culture" IS the conversion of boys to men and anything else is unsustainable -- allow women a share of power and men will cease to be men (i.e. manhood will cease to exist).

In a nutshell, female power emasculates men in this insecure and fearful world view. "

" I did not read anything that said God was a man. You have again spoke without comprehending. "

" Karl you come across as arrogant, self-righteous, and sanctimonious. Your narrow-minded and know-better-than-you attitude makes it near impossible to have a civil debate about the issues at hand. The only opinions (besides your own) that you find valid are the ones that you agree with. Its not always "It so because I think it is so." "

" Fg how do you know GOD's not a female? "

" perhaps Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz deliberately set-up McLellan...wanting to feed him to the wolves(media/americans) to protect other conspiracies?
Should the Liberals be overly involved in a BOOK then will pay no mind to conservative goals?
OR maybe Mclellan is the paid diversion for the conservatives goals?
OR a paid diversion for Dems goals?

Or McLellan Is simply a POSTNATAL duck! "

" Sorry Chris,; you're entitled to your opinion, but there's NO WAY you're EVER going to convince me that the "intelligence committee" gave Bush the "correct information"--NO WAY.
What was it about what McLellan said--THAT BUSH BELIEVED THAT THE ONLY WAY TO ENSURE A "LEGACY OF GREATNESS" WAS TO BE A "WAR-TIME" PRESIDENT"!!!
Hmmmm--boy, if that's not a damning, pretty cut-n-dried statement implying guilt and forethought?
Beside, you bet your bippy that I would take the FIRST HAND recollections of a former employee and press secretary over that of an already tainted and corrupt "intelligence community"! You'd seriously have to be naive not to. IMO
I will, however, offer this caveat--that Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz deliberately manufactured and manipulated the "evidence", to convince Bush and "pull his strings" as it were, in order to "sway him to their side."
After all; these three were known as "The Crazies" in their CIA days for their ideas on world domination; they had been chomping at the bit to get into Iran/Iraq for literally 10 years before Desert Storm even happened!
Judge away, judge away--I'm still not convinced. "

" The Intelligence Committee reviewed the facts and information supplied to Bush and came up with an opinion that doesn't fit into your GOP hating predjudice.
So anything that the government says, including Democrats like Rockefeller(who is chairman of the Select Committee on Intelligence) is a lie to cover up some sort of a conspricy?
But a book by an ex-employee is considered gospel.
You always state that you are a liberal, completely tolerant and open-minded but that is complete bunk. You seem to feel threatened and insecure when your point of view or opinion is questioned and you are closed off to anything that doesn't fit into your narrow view of the world. Edward de Bono, had this to say, "The need to be right all the time is the biggest bar to new ideas. It is better to have enough ideas for some of them to be wrong than to be always right by having no ideas at all." "

" BTW, Chris--an image made just popped into my head, and gave me a good laugh--you, a 6-day old growth of beard, red-rimmed eyes, blisters on the fingers, frantically mashing at the computer trying to find ANYTHING to refute and discredit Scott McLellan's book!
"Must.....discredit......McLellan...... Must......discredit....McLellan.....!!"
LMFOA!!!!!!
P.S.--Pelosi's an idiot, as are most of the Democrats--I don't know why you think I'm a Democratic supporter? Whenever I get their mailing asking for money, I write nasty things on a sheet of looseleaf and send back the pre-paid envelopes "just to take another few cents out of [their] coffers"
I just hate the Republicans and especially the Conservatives who have ruined this once-great country.
See Chris; there IS such a thing as a "Liberal Patriot" LOL! "

" Secondarily, Chris; I don't think you understand a very important distinction about Bush and his White HOuse.
It is well-known that Bush did not like, nor tolerate negative, contrary reports coming into his office.
This was reported with data pertaining to "Abstinence Only", economic conditions, war intelligence, and others. Bush pre-defined a set of parameters, and his sycophantic aids basically told him what he wanted to hear. Scott McLellan himself has said that Bush generally believed what he wanted and convinced himself of what he wanted to believe.
Snator Rockefeller's report was prepared BEFORE Scott McLelllan's book, BASED ONLY UPON THE UNQUESTIONABLY ALTERED DOCUMENTS PROVIDED BY THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY.
ARE YOU REALLY SO NAIVE TO THINK THAT THIS WHITE HOUSE WOULDN'T HAVE "TWO SETS OF BOOKS" REGARDING THE "INTELLIGENCE" BEHIND THEIR WAR CRIMES????
"....a question of judgment that politicians are expected to make?"--yeah--the "judgment" on whether or not to LIE!
PUHLEEEEEZE!
Now, Chris--tell me again about the "strong economy" ???
".... "

" Karl and AJ, anything to say about the WaPo article? Or how about Pelosi's statement? "

" Chris. your "theory" about "men on the left" gave me a good laugh--not the actual content of it, but the fact that you could post something so blatantly partisan and Conservatively--biased and actually invest any credibility in it.
Geez why didn't you just quote Ann Coulter again? LOL!
LaBarre sounds like a very insecure person with a pathetic 'macho complex"--doesn't interest me in the least.
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN! "

" I don't know who "LaBarre" is or was, but the guy clearly has some serious psychological problems regarding the female of the species -- Freud would have a field day!

"Primordial culture" is only about making men from boys, and so it is necessary to keep women down -- or gods forbid! If men had to share their power with women, they wouldn't be "Real Men" (tm) anymore; by the gods, if women were involved in culture, we wouldn't have "civilization" anymore!

That's really sick. If you really believe that, you DO need help. "

" I'm still waiting on Pelosi and Reed's plan to reduce the cost of fuel.
Two years ago, in April 2006, Speaker Pelosi released the following statement:

"With skyrocketing gas prices, it is clear that the American people
can no longer afford the Republican Rubber Stamp Congress and its
failure to stand up to Republican big oil and gas company cronies.
Americans this week are paying $2.91 a gallon on average for regular
gasoline – 33 cents higher than last month, and double the price than
when President Bush first came to office.

“With record gas prices, record CEO pay packages, and record oil
company profits, Speaker Hastert and the Majority Congress continue to
give the American people empty rhetoric rather than join Democrats who
are working to lower gas prices now. [no specifics given]

“Democrats have a commonsense plan to help bring down skyrocketing
gas prices by cracking down on price gouging, rolling back the billions
of dollars in taxpayer subsidies, tax breaks and royalty relief given
to big oil and gas companies, and increasing production of alternative
fuels.”

Democrats won the majority on that pledge. Gas is now $4 plus a gallon. "

" A little truth for the "reality based" liberal community, the Bush Derangement Syndrome people and the "Bush lied, people died" crowd...a good read from the Washington Post.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/08/AR2008060801687.html

"But dive into Rockefeller's report, in search of where exactly President Bush lied about what his intelligence agencies were telling him about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein, and you may be surprised by what you find.

On Iraq's nuclear weapons program? The president's statements "were generally substantiated by intelligence community estimates."

On biological weapons, production capability and those infamous mobile laboratories? The president's statements "were substantiated by intelligence information."

On chemical weapons, then? "Substantiated by intelligence information."

On weapons of mass destruction overall (a separate section of the intelligence committee report)? "Generally substantiated by intelligence information." Delivery vehicles such as ballistic missiles? "Generally substantiated by available intelligence." Unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to deliver WMDs? "Generally substantiated by intelligence information."

As you read through the report, you begin to think maybe you've mistakenly picked up the minority dissent. But, no, this is the Rockefeller indictment. So, you think, the smoking gun must appear in the section on Bush's claims about Saddam Hussein's alleged ties to terrorism.

But statements regarding Iraq's support for terrorist groups other than al-Qaeda "were substantiated by intelligence information." Statements that Iraq provided safe haven for Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and other terrorists with ties to al-Qaeda "were substantiated by the intelligence assessments," and statements regarding Iraq's contacts with al-Qaeda "were substantiated by intelligence information." The report is left to complain about "implications" and statements that "left the impression" that those contacts led to substantive Iraqi cooperation.

In the report's final section, the committee takes issue with Bush's statements about Saddam Hussein's intentions and what the future might have held. But was that really a question of misrepresenting intelligence, or was it a question of judgment that politicians are expected to make?"

Hey Karl and AJ: Ouch, thats going to leave a mark. "

" I found this on the web, it explains a lot of things about "men" on the left:

At the foundation of the State, writes LaBarre, “is our struggle to find both paternal power [an aspect of the vertical] and brotherly justice [the vertical prolonged into the horizontal] in the governing of men.” This is why something very psychologically noxious happens when government becomes mother. A similar thing happens when God becomes mother or mother becomes God. It interferes with the primordial basis of culture qua culture, which is to convert boys to men. If that fails to happen -- as with the left -- then civilization either cannot form or will not be able to sustain and defend itself, since there will be no men or manhood, only Democrats, or women and children. "

" cm - I would suggest you take a lesson on the Federal budget process. The proposed 2008 - 2009 budget was submitted by President Bush. Action on the appropriations bills in support of the budget resolution will likely take place before the next President is sworn in. "

" gayjay and karl i figured you would say something like that. the media did it to hillary. facts are facts. "

" Queenie, I hope the chances of anything happening to Barrack is equal to the likliehood that your IQ is greater than 50.

You really are a deranged person to say such a thing. "

" Queenie, as long as there are bigoted, racist fools out there like you, there is always the chance that Obama could be assassinated.
But don't worry; if someone hasn't knocked off George W. by now, I doubt anyone's going to get near Barack.
Man....I have been waiting..... "

" Robert Kennedy Jr is a communist? Where did that stupid comment come from? Do you just lob these foolish attacks or do you have any logic to back that comment. "

" king, the psychics say it IS so written in the stars. "

" karl i was joking about you being a homosexual but your persistent interest in the subject has me thinking twice. your and aj are the ones sticking up for the gays. that also makes me wonder. oh i thought it was ok to be gay, but your bashing me saying im gay like its an insult. hahah liberals, can't live with them, hope to live without them. what are the chances of obama having the same fait as kennedy. "

" Queenie, congratulations for THE most bigoted comment ever posted on this site.
For so small a measure of a man as you, I'm sure you'll take that as a compliment.
The Citizen censor wouldn't print what I really want to say to you, but I will try to sum it up with a measure of civility.
Your post is actually a gift--because "true colors' posts are rare, but here you have shown yours. It shows the absolute limits of both your heart and your questionable Humanity.
Your post is a catalogue of nearly every narrow-minded, stunted, ignorant opinion which characterizes a caricatured Bigot.
You call Gay Marriage "wrong"-no explanation; none necessary in your book, just as long as someone is not like YOU, or doesn't act like you (a blessing for which we should be thankful) they're "wrong". I suppose then, that you would characterize every one of these animals "wrong"--because EACH ONE of these species exhibits Homosexual behavior! Go ahead, Queenie; look it up!
* 4.1 American Bison
* 4.2 Birds
o 4.2.1 Black swans
o 4.2.2 Gulls
o 4.2.3 Mallards
o 4.2.4 Penguins
* 4.3 Bonobo and other apes
* 4.4 Bottlenose Dolphins
* 4.5 Dragonflies
* 4.6 Elephants
* 4.7 Fruit flies
* 4.8 Giraffes
* 4.9 Japanese Macaque
* 4.10 Lions
* 4.11 Lizards
* 4.12 Polecat
* 4.13 Sheep
* 4.14 Spotted Hyena
Furthermore, you would put yourself in the company of Iranian Fundamentalist Muslims, whose outlawing of Homosexual behavior is based on a Fundamentalist Interpretation of the Koran. Isn't this the SAME GROUP against which you rail and rant here nearly daily? Oh Queenie—you big kidder, you!
Yet your true colors say that you are a sympathizer. How precious, how sweet! Thank you!
Furthermore--you would attempt to characterize me as Gay, because you cannot envision a Man who is so completely secure with his own sexuality that he could vigorously defend the rights of ANY human being to love whichever sex they are compelled to be attracted and drawn to. In addition, you WOULD call me "Gay" because in your mind, it's the worst thing you could call me, right?
LOL!
For the record, Queenie; I don't care ONE BIT if people think I'm gay. You might as well call me "black", or "Liberal"! Just don;t call me "Conservative"! HORRORS!
Your other "nuts and bolts" analogy is so ridiculous as to be embarrassing for you! I'm surprised you didn't trot out the "Adam and Steve" thing! LOL!
See, Queenie, you can't see "Love" as being anything beyond "procreation". Hmmm...shades of Fundamentalism again?
Boy--I feel sorry for the former women in YOUR life!
Lastly Queenie--(I'm going to shamelessly cut-n-pasta from my OWN post on another page recently) I want you to reflect on the words of Barack Obama:
“…kids -- 7, 8, 9 years old -- take for granted now that of course a black can run for president. Of course a woman can run for president. There's a matter of factness to it that I think bodes well for the future."
You see, Queenie--Equality, Liberty for ALL, Tolerance and Moderation--THESE were the ideals of the Enlightenment--the ideals upon which our country was founded. That is why our Founding Father would applaud the country giving Gays the long-denied RIGHT to marry.
In closing, I both pity, and laugh at you. Because I know that, as you go to your grave, I know that the world YOU thought you knew--that of "us-against-them", of the rule of the White Christian Male, of comfortable bigotry taken for granted amongst "the gang" or in your own circles, of "God" and Religion; it's aallll fading into obscurity, and will be soon be a thing of only memory; something of which the young generation speaks of as we now speak of slavery and Jim Crow laws. Your world is ending, Queenie--and MINE is ascendant!
Have a nice fit of apoplexy! "

" Oh! They "swabbed the deck" here again, and cut out my comment about "theking" being a closet homosexual! I guess outright Racism and comparing Barack Obama to Hitler and Nazism is ok, but making a truthful opinion about a forum troll here by a person who actually uses his name and is accountable is off limits, huh, Citizen?
Funky standards, to be sure.....? "

" boy thats a funny one aj. i guess im the homosexual who hates homosexuals and your the straight guy who goes on blogs and defends homosexuals nonstop for some odd reason. you make tons of sense. im still laughing at your 911 conspiricy theory. what a dork. "

" I think it is true - theking, like Larry Craig and so many other "family value" republicans, is homosexual and just can't bring himself to admit it. I mean really, he fits the profile so perfectly. "

" uh, cm--I was "born into" Roman Catholicism, and suffered under it for years until my logical mind started to question the rather ridiculous premise of it, and I learned the truth.
You can't deny your sexual orientation when you are born Gay.
Before you fire off an answer, just ask yourself--could YOU deny YOUR sexual preference?
Then what makes you think a Gay person could?
Sounds, like YOU'RE the "duck". "

" have ya read the federal/DEMS budget for 2008-2009 is allready drawn up--place in archive so Obama can just sign---who the puppet and whos the masters?
ITS A DUCK. "

" You think everyone gets to CHOOSE religion? thats a funny!
Some people are born into it-just as some gays are NOT born gay and they choose.
all the same.

the next time the "churchies" are on the corner at Wegmans--invite them to your house for dinner. afterall YOU dont despise no one NOR no ones life style.
hanging with THEM you might find out they are just as normal as you gay friends. "

" BTW< cm---also, you can CHOOSE Religion, you can't CHOOSE being Gay. So I chose to reject something which I found a ridiculous, illogical lie, whereas YOU hate certain people for how they were born; again, a pretty significant difference! "

" No cm--the difference is that you allow your religious upbringing to reinforce and justify your bigotry, where as I have had the intelligence and REAL "Christian values" STILL come away with me in my rejection of Religion.
That's quite a significant difference.
I have REAL "Christian values", even if I HAVE disavowed my former Catholicism for Atheism, whereas your crew seems to have endorsed only the bigotry and xenophobia of Fundamentalist Christianity.
Pretty tough pill to swallow for you, I realize!--an Atheist, MORE "Christian" than the actual "Christians" HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!! LOL!!!! "

" dan, I agree, the best way to get someone to help, is to vote out anyone in office. Maybe they will realize if they are doing things to help the average citizen, they shouldn't be there! "

" Who is this guy who keeps going on and on about communism. Its 2008, not 1958. We won the cold war and no one really cares about communism anymore. "

" Justventing,
The problem you described is more than just the city and county goverments. Its the state and federal goverment. Before the resident Bush bashers chime in. There are 535 elected people that run this country. You want change toss all the bums out when they come up for re election. I'm voting Nozziol out and anybody the is in office today in November. That is real change "

" Sheesh, batting 1000 today.

I'll just post a link to a video you should all see.

http://www.freepress.net/conference/video "

" cm, there is no difference, but Karl is the poster child of the double standard. "

" There are a few tools at city hall & on the school board... "

" Have you noticed we have grown to accept tax, grocery, or any kind of increases that takes more money out of our pocket openly? Nobody does anything anymore, they just complain and that’s the end of it. A few people complaining for a few days or a week and that’s the end of it. City hall and the school board knows this when they increase any kind of taxes or fees. A favorite is saying taxes is increasing 10% but after a few complaints is reduced to 5%, which is what they wanted in the first place, City Hall plays mind games with the taxpayer. This reminds me of a story I remember hearing as a child. When a horse is born it is tied up to a post using a heavy rope, the horse tries time and time again to break free but it cannot. The horse has now learned that it cannot break free and has a condition called “learned helplessness” and just gives up trying. The horse gets older and a very light rope is used, of course the horse could easily break free now, but doesn’t try because of the learned helplessness condition that has imbedded in its brain. I told this story to show you a similarity to people of Auburn. We the people of Auburn have learned this condition; we do not try anymore, just accept the increases and fees. I invite any of you to write and see if we can unlearn this condition and help bring Auburn back to the control of the true owners, the people of Auburn. City Hall is a tool that the taxpayers need how to use properly. If we do not have the right tools or know how to use them properly we cannot get the job done, so maybe it's time for some NEW or better quality tools at City Hall and the School board. "

" There is no question the media is backing Obama. I have NEVER seen an election campaign like this. I hope now that he is the Democratic candidate that we can focus on what they really stand for. CHANGE does not define what one stands for. "

" Karl
what the difference if we dislike GAY life and you dislike religious life? "