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Friday, May 23, 2008 3:59 PM EDT

The Auburn board of education and superintendent clearly insult the people who voted "no" on the budget when they decide we were simply uninformed on what we were voting on. What is so hard to grasp about the concept that "no" means no?



I would like to commend those responsible for the beautification of downtown Auburn. At long last the lamp posts along Genesee Street have been turned correctly, and the black benches and flower pots and the brick sidewalks are very attractive.

The liberals in the media won't tell you that the reason why gas and food is so high is just because of the environmentalists. These goofy America-hating environmentalists and their allies, the goofy "greens" in this country, won't allow nuclear energy plants to be built.

Between the city turning off my water, NYSEG shut me off, or them trying to take my house away for delinquent taxes, I feel like I'm living in Little Russia instead of Auburn.

It's nauseating they way Barack Obama and Met manager Willie Randolph, whenever they get a hiccup or bump in the road, they say they are being mistreated because of their race. By pulling the race card all of the time, these two expose themselves as being the worst racists in the public eye in this country.

No high school election in the history of this country, no village election in the history of Asia, ever had a worse choice of candidates for president than this country's going to have next November.




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AJ wrote on May 27, 2008 4:32 PM:

" Your logic is truly remarkable cm.

Are you on some weird medications or something?

As for the "no draft", it is true that the people in now signed up by choice. The problem is most of them signed up not expecting to go into an illegal war, and they also did it for economic reasons.

If it weren't for the stop-loss "backdoor" draft that we have today, I'll bet you at least half would be gone tomorrow. "

cm wrote on May 27, 2008 3:40 PM:

" facts are facts--the war is on and all the hooting will not stop it today-
There hasnt been a draft in 30+yrs- so those in the military have JOINED BY CHOICE!
those higher than you have the say-will we all pay billions --yes--no matter what! If we werent having the war, would we pay billions for something else YES but most likely NOT what we think it should be for, like schools,health care,roads,etc.
If the only thing your paying attention to is the war--then you are missing out on other bills (farm/immigrants) that are passing under your noses, with billions of dollars that we dont have for them either!
THEN LOOK AT:
your own little area, whats wrong and what needs to be fixed? If the city bigwigs arent addressing issues---how do you think those above the city counsel/mayor/senator/governor will??

Karl preaches against the churches--well from what I see its mostly them DOING something. the other groups are TALKING about doing something. You may disagree with what they preach but most of them are trying to better someones life!
I may not live there now-but 95% of my family does. I listen to their "town" gripes and I tell them as I state here-DO SOMETHING! Give the BS of Bush 10% of your time and give BS of your own mayor/city counsel/school board 90% of your time.

At some point and time, one has to cede and start anew. As Dr.Phil says "be the hero" step up and take charge.

from what I read-theres alot of backyards-across the USA-RIGHT here on this site. Change has to begin at home! "

AJ wrote on May 27, 2008 2:31 PM:

" Movedsouth, maybe it disappeared into the same place your brain did, assuming you ever had one. "

movedsouth wrote on May 27, 2008 1:12 PM:

" Dave, just a recap. I guess I should have used quotes. karl objected when I said that the US was the greatest country in the world. He said it used to be. I asked, if it isn't now, what country is? His response was NONE! I question why we WERE the greatest country on earth before and now that karl says we are not he says that NO country is the greatest. Not being as smart as karl, I just don't understand why there was a greatest country and now there isn't. IT MUST HAVE DISAPPEARED! "

movedsouth wrote on May 27, 2008 12:50 PM:

" Hold on Dave, I believe the USA IS the greatest country in the world! karl told me it wasn't. "

AJ wrote on May 27, 2008 12:36 PM:

" Let's see how Chris respects the troops - by supporting an illegal an immoral war that has nothing to do with protecting the US but rather a handful of corporations, which puts them in harms way where they can be killed or seriously injured.

Yeah, that makes sense. /sarcasm "

movedsouth wrote on May 27, 2008 12:29 PM:

" I just want to get this straight karl, USA USED TO BE the greatest country in the world. Now it's not and there is no greatest country. "

AJ wrote on May 27, 2008 12:29 PM:

" CVN, right wingers take the prize where hypocrisy is concerned. Don't EVEN go THERE! "

nature lover wrote on May 27, 2008 11:59 AM:

" Not seeking congrats on our house rehabs - its just something we love. We dont live in a pristine 'hood but we have never had destruction nor stolen items at all - people are respectful - and it shows we are presenting a good example. ALL over is getting bad its not just lil' ol Auburn. Although crime happens here, its low level and infrequent d/t the excellent performance of law enforcement - u can walk down the street at nite and sometimes if u accidently leave something unlocked its ok. And its not the historic areas that get money its impoverished areas thru the CDBG program. I am sure I have the initials wrong. I do agree code enforcement has to be overhauled as I dealt with their archaic ways for many years. The prob w/most areas being cash strapped is all the danged pensions in my opinion. I will look into these wack jobs on the corner coming this Friday and will ask around what church, if any, they belong to. I really dont beleive they are in need of our thanks for cleaning ANY thing and they look like they barely clean themselves.

I think some people focus on all the bad r/t than the good that goes on. You are either a half full or empty person. "

Farmer's Gal wrote on May 27, 2008 11:40 AM:

" AJ, Karl and many others here show their respect for our country by exercising the rights we were promised by our Founding Fathers, including not only the right, but the DUTY to demand CHANGE if our government becomes corrupt -- rather than just mouthing blind loyalty to empty rhetoric.

When our government is doing wrong, it is our OBLIGATION to speak up and try to effect change. Parroting "Our Country is so Great, America Right or Wrong" propaganda speech is DISRESPECTFUL to those obligations which go along with the rights.

As for the people on the streetcorner by Wegman's - I haven't been in town at the right time to witness them myself, so my comments have to be limited. But, it sounds to me like the issue is not Freedom of Speech -- they are free to speak about whatever they want.

But if they are using megaphones and creating a nuisance and disturbing the peace -- not just once for a parade with a permit or something, but regularly, then that is an issue.

If they are accosting people as they walk or drive by, they could be charged with harrassment.

Likewise, the business about the children -- if you think it is an abuse or neglect issue, call Child Protective Services and have them investigate.

It doesn't matter that their message is religious -- the problem would be the same if they were out there blasting away about space aliens, or abortion rights or turf for the football field.

Re: Fly-overs -- I DON'T live there, that's the point. Also, these guys have orders NOT to buzz houses or buildings in residential areas, but they've been known to do it anyway. Just flying over is one thing, but flying very large aircraft low enough to barely clear the tops of the trees, literally feet about people's rooftops, is not acceptable. You may THINK you get used to it, and your mind may adjust, but your body never does -- that sort of thing on a regular basis is not good for the human body physically.

BTW, for the record, I support PART of the NRA and PART of the ACLU but not all of them, as they each are guilty, in my opinion, of twisting the interpretation of the COnstitution to suit their own ends at times. But in fundamental principle, I support both -- basic gun rights and basic freedom rights.

And THANK YOU to Angmom, for resolutely sticking to a positive message to everyone in the thick of this page. "

Dave R Ithaca, NY wrote on May 27, 2008 11:16 AM:

" to movedsouth - Why not continue moving South and right out of the country if you don't think this is still the greatest country in the world. "

cm wrote on May 27, 2008 11:05 AM:

" ya know nature I am not sure what is the total problem of the city, but year after year it gets worse. Everyone sits around and complains but nothing is getting done.
Congrats in you refurb.! I hope things don't get stolen or destroyed as they have from those I know who do live there.
Maybe the city needs to be held more accountable. The megaphones of the people on South St. right in front of city hall demanding change!
Only the historic sites are getting the tax dollars for repairs?!
Is it the high crime rates?who's doing what about it?
is it the judges slapping hands? who's stopping them?
is the drop-out rate at school? what's being done there?
is it the easiest "system" to get approved for? start drug testing and get rid of them!?
is it landlords only wanting a monthly check from homesite and ignoring their properties? who's putting a stop to it?
is it code enforcement? why do they still have jobs?


the talk of the town is "turf" when there are so many other issues that are ignored BY THE PEOPLE!

You call the "bible thumpers" a cult. do you even KNOW them? what's their groups name? what other things have they done? the church of what? are they trying to wake up the citizens of Auburn about crime, inactions of the city, or kids needing parenting thru words of god?
YOU'RE there YOU TELL ME!??? "

nature lover wrote on May 27, 2008 10:06 AM:

" R ya done there cm with your ongoing posts of what u beleive we as citizens DONT do here in Auburn? I spent 4 years rehabing a 25 room vic and previous to that I did a 10 room one. My homes are beautiful & historical. I maintain them and the yard and we have seen since we moved in these 'hoods, others have also decided to spuce up also. We were very proud when most of the rentals cleaned up this spring. Auburn's downtown is really nice now also. Sorry u feel I was insulting u as I really can do better than that if u care to tangle. U dont know me or others but u certainly do post enough lame remarks for others to judge u!! Also the line that we should be ashamed of ourselves!?! Dont we all wish we could live in la la land - not !! The religious fanatics were gone for a few and have just retn per Karl - so there must have been something that made them NOT stand on the corner as they do. When u grace us with your illustrious wonder visits and its a Friday and u are feeling like cult watching - seriously take a look at these people. There is truly something wrong there and armchair views dont cut it...oh I stand corrected on the odd/even...it is just weekdays - how odd. "

chris van note wrote on May 27, 2008 10:06 AM:

" Yet another pathetic display by our resident liberals, Karl and AJ. No respect for the troops, both past and present-living or dead. No respect for the country that gives them the privilege to speak freely, worship freely, write freely, etc... Basically, no respect for ANYONE that doesn't believe the way they do.
Its rather sad that there are people who consider faith in God and country to be frivilous and silly. Faith is what helped build America, which is still the greatest country in the world.
For example, people like Karl and AJ believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.
As I've stated previously, there is no hypocrisy like liberal hypocrisy.
You two should be thanking God that there are better men and women than you that will fight and die to protect the rights given by the Constitution and to protect the safety of America and its allies. "

cm wrote on May 27, 2008 9:58 AM:

" ya know nature I am not sure what is the total problem of the city, but year after year it gets worse. Everyone sits around and complains but nothing is getting done.
Congrats in you refurb.! I hope things don't get stolen or destroyed as they have from those I know who do live there.
Maybe the city needs to be held more accountable. The megaphones of the people on South St. right in front of city hall demanding change!
Only the historic sites are getting the tax dollars for repairs?!
Is it the high crime rates?who's doing what about it?
is it the judges slapping hands? who's stopping them?
is the drop-out rate at school? what's being done there?
is it the easiest "system" to get approved for? start drug testing and get rid of them!?
is it landlords only wanting a monthly check from homesite and ignoring their properties? who's putting a stop to it?
is it code enforcement? why do they still have jobs?


the talk of the town is "turf" when there are so many other issues that are ignored BY THE PEOPLE!

You call the "bible thumpers" a cult. do you even KNOW them? what's their groups name? what other things have they done? the church of what? are they trying to wake up the citizens of Auburn about crime, inactions of the city, or kids needing parenting thru words of god?
YOU'RE there YOU TELL ME!???
"

AJ wrote on May 27, 2008 9:55 AM:

" theking wrote on May 26, 2008 10:15 PM:
" aj your post looks as if you fear too much government control. but you will vote for obama who would expand the government and have more control. i dont understand you. "

Unbelievable. Have YOU been paying ATTENTION to the expansion of GOVT control by an administration you support and respect? I know you haven't been living under a rock unless you post from one.

Please give me a break!!!!

I never have said much here about Obama. He has a lot of inspirational rhetoric which may be good for the country, but I fear he is a tool of the establishment just like the others (with the exception of McKinney).

I may end up sitting this one out. "

nature lover wrote on May 27, 2008 9:02 AM:

" R ya done there cm with your ongoing posts of what u beleive we as citizens DONT do here in Auburn? I spent 4 years rehabing a 25 room vic and previous to that I did a 10 room one. My homes are beautiful & historical. I maintain them and the yard and we have seen since we moved in these 'hoods, others have also decided to spuce up also. We were very proud when most of the rentals cleaned up this spring. Auburn's downtown is really nice now also. Sorry u feel I was insulting u as I really can do better than that if u care to tangle. U dont know me or others but u certainly do post enough lame remarks for others to judge u!! Also the line that we should be ashamed of ourselves!?! Dont we all wish we could live in la la land - not !! The religious fanatics were gone for a few and have just retn per Karl - so there must have been something that made them NOT stand on the corner as they do. When u grace us with your illustrious wonder visits and its a Friday and u are feeling like cult watching - seriously take a look at these people. There is truly something wrong there and armchair views dont cut it...oh I stand corrected on the odd/even...it is just weekdays - how odd. "

movedsouth wrote on May 27, 2008 8:17 AM:

" I just want to get this straight karl, USA USED TO BE the greatest country in the world. Now it's not and there is no greatest country. "

karl wrote on May 27, 2008 2:10 AM:

" nature lover, thank you for concurring about those idiots on the corner and the abuse they show their children! I truly hope you DO call the mayor and complain! "

karl wrote on May 27, 2008 2:09 AM:

" movedsouth--here's an answer to your question that I hope doesn't disappoint you too much--the truth is, the is NO "greatest country" in the world. Not Germany, not Russia, not Kazakhstan (though "Borat" rules!) and not even the USA!
All this nonsensical "America #1" garbage is just nationalism--which itself is just the swollen, turgid uber-manifestation of that STUUUPID high-school mentality of "Place-your-school-here ROOOLZ!" YOu know--frat mentality, booze-fueled exaggerated machismo and tribal xenophobia. Herd mentality. Sheep just following a shepherd!
There's NOTHING I hate more than the surrender of the individual's mandate to think ans act FOR ONESELF! To "follow"!
And that mentality of "America: the greatest country in the world" is either just plain ignorance or just myopic tribal loyalty without perspicacity or worldliness.
I have been to, and seen, more countries than most on this site, and I can tell you there are many, many GREAT countries and peoples in this world--and while America has some great people, qualities, and opportunities, America has also done some VERY bad things in the world. It's just amazing to me that you can still be living in such a bubble that you can actually spew such hyper-patriotic garbage when this country is so reviled in the world for the crimes of this administration, whom you support.
Oh, and when China finally kicks our a$$es, it won't be because of environmental regulation; it will be from the military that they have built using the profits they made by "free trade" policies and the financing of Cheney's war. Chew on that a while! "

quiveringthigh wrote on May 26, 2008 11:19 PM:

" Farmer's Girl, you should live out where I do. There are tons of helicopters that fly overhead. I am close to 29 Palms' MCACGC Marine base. Kind of annoying, but I have been desensitized of it.

Nature Lover, yeah incense is the best. Lot of Nag Champa, Sandalwood, and Frankincense. I been really enjoying Padma. Very relaxing. "

AJ wrote on May 26, 2008 10:51 PM:

" As I expected, everything I just said went right over your head, movedsouth. "

cm wrote on May 26, 2008 10:44 PM:

" And just maybe--you ALL should "thank" those megaphone church people--because my 10 bucks bet they are the ones cleaning your parks,looking out for your elderly,and feeding your homeless!!! "

cm wrote on May 26, 2008 10:38 PM:

" I have been in Auburn for the past 3 yrs for 2-3 weeks each trip. Correct I dont live there-but have alot of family there. For those that do live there--you should be very ashamed of how your hometown is turning into the dumps! For every yearly improvement there are 2 dis-approvements that follow.
Instead of whining about your local government and what they arent doing for the city why not clean up your own street-paint your own house,help your neighbor paint their house, clean up a playground or a park?
I know, you all pay good tax money for someone else to do it--BUT wake up they are NOT doing it. If the mayor really answers his own phone I bet he wont after a few thousand calls!

Just maybe you all should stand on the corner of North & South st. with your own megaphones with demands for your city!!!! "

cm wrote on May 26, 2008 10:26 PM:

" FYI I have seen the "church" peoples on wegmans corner-they happened to be out when I was there 2yrs ago on Memorial weekend. If it makes their day-like you who whines about insulting but throws 'em back!
(outwit, outsource outinsult)(cm, u dont live here, if u saw it in person, like all the other 'I know ALL about Auburn but dont live here's' seem to have all the answers)

their megaphones didnt faze me- I continued into wegmans. I am sure if it was a noise issue APD whos right across the street would have been there! But since they haven't been-IN ALL these YEARS-then It must be only bothersome to those who are against free speech!

If your such concerned citizens, CPS has a toll-free number-why are you waiting for them to "drive by"? "

theking wrote on May 26, 2008 10:15 PM:

" aj your post looks as if you fear too much government control. but you will vote for obama who would expand the government and have more control. i dont understand you. "

movedsouth wrote on May 26, 2008 9:54 PM:

" AJ, where the hell did I say it's not your country? Oh, I guess you read it into it! That's the good thing about your thinking, you can read things into it. "

movedsouth wrote on May 26, 2008 9:49 PM:

" AJ, I do not remain silent! DO YOU HEAR ME! I respect and support our country, although it may not be perfect. I still believe it is the best country in the world. I live here, love it, and support our troops. The good thing about freedom is that you have a choice in life. If I didn't like it here, I'd leave. "

AJ wrote on May 26, 2008 9:07 PM:

" movedsouth wrote on May 26, 2008 4:18 PM:
" AJ, I want to tell you something. My father and four brothers fought in WWII. They all believed in this country. Their parents accepted no food from assistance. I think they are heroes and believed that the USA is the greatest country in the world. I AGREE! If you think this country is so bad, GET THE HEII out! I really don't think you will be missed! "

You are forgetting something movedsouth, which is not surprising coming from you. That is that I was born here too, and it is MY country as much as it is YOURS and as a citizen have EVERY right to criticize it when it is doing WRONG. In fact, it is our RESPONSIBILITY AS CITIZENS to do just that.

The trouble with you and others here like you is that you possess a very PERVERTED notion of patriotism, which is really nationalism. But YOU have so brainwashed by the likes of Faux News and have probably never read anything from Thomas Jefferson or the other founding fathers.

I have no doubt you would have fit in very comfortably in Hitler's Nazi party.

QUOTES

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains.

I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
.........Jefferson

Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism - how passionately I hate them!........Albert Einstein "

coach7811 wrote on May 26, 2008 9:04 PM:

" CM nice to see someone still appreciate our service people. "

nature lover wrote on May 26, 2008 8:51 PM:

" Just rtn'd after a nice long 10 days off AWAY and I have to laugh how this site nvr changes - outwit, outsource outinsult - too funny! QT - I luv incense - burn it all the time. Happy Decoration day to all - we decorated all loved ones graves - did you people remember your family? I luv those jets that fly - regardless of how much it costs they are heart bursting when they fly over - must be from my marching days. Alternate parking year round for ALL streets is a good idea - period. And BTW it 7 days a week not just weekdays...

And Karl is right on the money about those Friday nite in your face, I am just going to the store for the luv of pete, wack jobs that are ramming some god is gonna kill u religion down your throat loudly while u are innocently preying to YOUR God to please change the lite NOW, rolling up your windows, but u cant help but look at those poor children w/signs on them. Child abuse !! So whomever critized Karl about that is COMpletely wrong ie cm, u dont live here, if u saw it in person, like all the other 'I know ALL about Auburn but dont live here's' seem to have all the answers. I do beleive if I have to endure those cult people on the corner again this year, yes I will call the mayor, cuz he answers his own phone! and likes to talk to the locals that pay taxes. The megaphone has to go as THAT is disturbing the peace. They congregated to start the protest of Stevens party on the plaza but the drinking downtown is slim to none now. So they should go elsewhere and CPS should drive by !!! "

ANGMOM3 wrote on May 26, 2008 8:47 PM:

" I wish you all a pleasant week.
These past few days have been wonderful for us - family and friends and remembering, with affection and respect, our love ones who could not join us at the dinner table.

PEACE BE THE JOURNEY. "

theking wrote on May 26, 2008 8:20 PM:

" karl check your reading glasses. i think your confusing my posts with someone elses posts. i dont care about your motorcycle ride with your girl. i actually feel sorry for her. shouldn't you be riding a bike to reduce your carbon footprint you al gore wanna be. i bet you have no clue how much cash hes raking in from this garbage. i mean its not like you care that america will suffer from emission regulations while china has none and continues to prosper. then once they see we are weak the may move to "reunite taiwan". but i doubt you have done accurate research. you probably only watch olberman and read the ny times. i have a suggestion, if you want america to fall behind and be inferior to china and russia vote for obama. "

karl wrote on May 26, 2008 8:11 PM:

" I'm not making this up---tonight on "Family Feud". one of the questions was "Name a person who's ideas have made the world a better place"
The answers:
1 Martin Luther King
2 Oprah Winfrey
3 Bill Clinton
4 George Washington
5 Jesus
Note: not one "Conservative" on the list. And "Jesus" got beat out by Bill Clinton!
Thought you guys would appreciate that... "

movedsouth wrote on May 26, 2008 7:56 PM:

" PETITION TO BOOT AJ AND KARL OFF THIS SITE FOR REASON OF STUPIDITY:
1. THEKING
2.movedsouth, karl WAS in question "

movedsouth wrote on May 26, 2008 7:45 PM:

" karl, in your twisted opinion, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD? This should be interesting if you care to respond. "

karl wrote on May 26, 2008 7:10 PM:

" Correction, movedsouth--the USA USED TO BE the "greatest country in the world", but we've long lost our moral authority which allowed us to claim that title with our last administration, and the people like you and others who have supported war criminals, thieves and liars in the highest offices of the land.
And if you're under the illusion that we're a "great country" because you can buy what cigarettes and beer you want at almost any hour of the day, trust me; you can do that too in Germany.
The real question is--what are we going to do to RESTORE America's standing in the world?
I have one suggestion; vote for Obama. "

karl wrote on May 26, 2008 7:06 PM:

" Queenie--just got back from a glorious day about on the motorcycle with my girl, and I just wanted to remark how typical it is of your kind to want to silence someone when you don't like the message.
Thank you for proving my point about that other crybaby O'Reilly, and about his "protector", Rupert Murdoch.
The "guns of war" on THIS site are Intelligence, Debate, and Counter Punches delivered mercilessly without regard to your opponent's lack of ability to defend--if you can't compete intellectually with the big boys, perhaps YOU ought to run away to your mommy too.

"

movedsouth wrote on May 26, 2008 4:18 PM:

" AJ, I want to tell you something. My father and four brothers fought in WWII. They all believed in this country. Their parents accepted no food from assistance. I think they are heroes and believed that the USA is the greatest country in the world. I AGREE! If you think this country is so bad, GET THE HEII out! I really don't think you will be missed! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on May 26, 2008 1:13 PM:

" QT, glad to hear the gig went well.

I don't care for military aircraft when those hotdog-cowboy pilots buzz my house, 4 of them, one after another, just before Desert Storm -- barely clearing the tree tops, shaking the whole place worse than the garbage trucks, scaring the bejeesus out of my infant and toddler as well as the dog and cats -- but when I call up the base they deny it ever happened. Oh no, they say, the pilots know they aren't allowed to do that. Well, know it or not, they did. And these are the "responsible, mature" types we have out killing people in the name of freedom and justice -- pfah!

Angmom -- I am taking a break. Been out and about in Auburn, around the region gathering rhubarb for a huge barrel of wine, off to friends for a (probably indoor, given the forecast) picnic. "

cm wrote on May 26, 2008 1:12 PM:

" well Aj STOP giving CORPS your money-stop buying gas,food,and daily essentials--live off the land!
You keep pumping their wallets,yet drive your vehicle!
put your money where your mouth is! "

vic wrote on May 26, 2008 12:42 PM:

" You know how you don't get your water or power turned off, or your home taken away. PAY YOUR BILLS!!! "

movedsouth wrote on May 26, 2008 12:33 PM:

" I'll bet there's one endorsement karl is real proud of! "

AJ wrote on May 26, 2008 12:18 PM:

" Coming from you quiveringthigh, I will take that as a compliment. lol... "

quiveringthigh wrote on May 26, 2008 11:43 AM:

" Happy Memorial Day!
My Gig went really well saturday night. And for the record, there wasn't any political,racial, or religious conversations! The was nothing but good food, drink, music, friends and incense. "

quiveringthigh wrote on May 26, 2008 11:40 AM:

" AJ wrote on May 26, 2008 10:03 AM:
" I doubt very much the Citizen would want to see the collective IQ of the participants of this forum fall into the range of imbecile, which is what would happen if Karl and I were booted. So what I'm saying is I think you're wasting your time. "

AJ you ARE pathetic. You are about as smart as the Village Idiot, what a minute, You are the Village Idiot.
"

AJ wrote on May 26, 2008 11:12 AM:

" cm wrote on May 26, 2008 9:48 AM:
" Happy Memorial Day! I hope everyone has a blessed day hopefully with families/friends/or someone alone while taking time to thank a soldier.
Have a moment of silence to wish our Troops a safe journey, to thank those who have volunteered to serve, and a blessing to those who have died thru the years fighing for America! "

You mean fighting for American corporate interests don't you CM? "

ANGMOM3 wrote on May 26, 2008 10:55 AM:

" I hope everyone can take a break and appreciate the day. "

Unknown... wrote on May 26, 2008 10:21 AM:

" All that crap that AJ posts is really getting to be tiresome. I believe that Karl keeps him going just for laughs. "

AJ wrote on May 26, 2008 10:03 AM:

" I doubt very much the Citizen would want to see the collective IQ of the participants of this forum fall into the range of imbecile, which is what would happen if Karl and I were booted. So what I'm saying is I think you're wasting your time. "

cm wrote on May 26, 2008 9:48 AM:

" Happy Memorial Day! I hope everyone has a blessed day hopefully with families/friends/or someone alone while taking time to thank a soldier.
Have a moment of silence to wish our Troops a safe journey, to thank those who have volunteered to serve, and a blessing to those who have died thru the years fighing for America! "

theking wrote on May 26, 2008 9:29 AM:

" PETITION TO BOOT AJ AND KARL OFF THIS SITE FOR REASON OF STUPIDITY:
1. THEKING
2.
3. "

movedsouth wrote on May 26, 2008 9:18 AM:

" well, what I read into one post is that someone thinks their welfare check is too small. "

Hazel Eyez wrote on May 26, 2008 9:14 AM:

" If everyone would just stop commenting back to that dimwit Karl then he wouldn't have anything left to say. Just stop wasting your breath. It makes him feel important that everyone keeps talking to him!

As prior active duty and currently married to an active duty man I would like to wish everyone a Happy Memorial Day!!! "

AJ wrote on May 26, 2008 8:59 AM:

" excny'r, I was mostly referring to modern history, and concur that the Revolutionary war is an exception to my statement. You win the prize!

"

AJ wrote on May 25, 2008 10:57 PM:

" Hmm, let's see - theking is more proud of the strongest killing machine on earth, but not at all proud of a welfare system that has been stripped down to the bare bones to support those who need it most and is far less costly.

I think it is obvious your priorities are twisted to the extreme and show you to be a pathetic excuse for a human being. "

excnyer wrote on May 25, 2008 9:32 PM:

" AJ,
Does the Revolutionary War ring a bell with you? I believe we fought against English tyranny for our freedom. If you've ever visited old cemetaries, you will find the headstones of men who fought in the Revolutionary War. Tell them they did not fight for freedom. "

AJ wrote on May 25, 2008 8:59 PM:

" movedsouth wrote on May 25, 2008 6:04 PM:

karl, this is a no spin zone, I don't read that O'Reilly went crying, it's just your left wing version. "

That's because you are not intelligent enough to read into anything. Fox/ no spin zone - don't make me laugh. "

theking wrote on May 25, 2008 8:53 PM:

" hey karl flying jets is a tradition and i like them. i dont hesitate to run out side like a little boy when the ch-47s or the blackhawks are flying over either. im proud of the strongest military this world has ever seen. you call that a waste of tax dollars? how bout all those taxes for food stamps and welfare checks and education for illegal immigrants that your left wingers love to spend? you cry about the bible people and now the jets. i think your just trying to irritate me because no one is booking you for guitar gigs. "

karl wrote on May 25, 2008 6:49 PM:

" I sure hope they're not wasting taxpayer's money with any stupid jets flying over. I mean---OOOH!!--what are we--10 years old? For the obscene amounts of money it takes to fly those jets, lets all just make paper airplanes and whiz 'em at each other. Now THAT would be exciting! "

movedsouth wrote on May 25, 2008 6:04 PM:

" Olbermann-O'Reilly Feud Has Led to Top-Level Corporate Phone Calls
By Tim Graham | May 19, 2008 - 07:54 ET

Washington Post media writer Howard Kurtz reported on Monday’s front page that the on-screen feud between FNC’s Bill O’Reilly and MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann has spurred high-level calls between the top executives at Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation and NBC: "What began four years ago as a colorful feud between rival commentators, instigated by Olbermann as a way of drawing attention, has become a tale of bruised egos and secret maneuvering at the highest levels of two multinational giants."

Murdoch, FNC boss Roger Ailes, NBC boss Jeffrey Zucker, and General Electric CEO Jeffrey Immelt have all been involved:

Ailes called Zucker on his cellphone last summer, clearly agitated over a slam against him by MSNBC host Keith Olbermann. According to sources familiar with the conversation, Ailes warned that if Olbermann didn't stop such attacks against Fox, he would unleash O'Reilly against NBC and would use the New York Post as well.

Both Fox and the Post are owned by Murdoch, who complained about Olbermann's conduct in separate calls to Zucker and Immelt.
karl, this is a no spin zone, I don't read that O'Reilly went crying, it's just your left wing version. "

cm wrote on May 25, 2008 5:59 PM:

" I sure hope karl & AJ WORK tomorrow for regular pay-since they dont believe in the holiday celebrated by Americans, Along with all the ceremonies for our past & present Military!
Enjoying a picnic or BBQ after the parade would be totally hypocritical. "

AJ wrote on May 25, 2008 3:56 PM:

" Hillbilly, I went one better than learning history in school (which is mostly bs) and went on to read countless (into the hundreds) books on REAL American foreign policy. You might want to try that yourself BEFORE you go calling someone else who has a better grasp of history than yourself "stupid".

And just how can my positions on these issues and communicating them be considered "hateful spew" when they are based on truths instead of lies? I dare say you are the one who is stupid, not to mention gullible, and incredibly ignorant.

You could try reading the following for starters:

In Search of Enemies - John Stockwell
Inside the Company, A CIA Diary - Phillip Agee
Democracy For The Few - Michael Parenti
The Real Terror Network - Edward S. Herman
The Media Monopoly - Ben Bagdikian
Manufacturing Consent - Noam Chomsky
Necessary Illusions - Noam Chomsky
Propaganda - Edward Bernays
Public Opinion - Walter Lipmann
Last but not least
1984 - George Orwell (pen name of Eric Blair, whose essays you should also read, generally easy to find on the internet)
You apparently were skipping high school when it was being discussed.

Karl, wouldn't it be great if Fox tried to bring up a slander suit against Olberman, only to have the judge laugh them out of court as was done in NY over the "fair and balanced" tagline? I would love to see that! "

theking wrote on May 25, 2008 3:53 PM:

" OLBERMAN IS A LOSER. A LIBERAL HACK SPEWING HIS LEFT WING ANTI AMERICAN GARBAGE. I REMEMER HIM BLAMING BUSH FOR VIRGINIA TECH AND TALKING ABOUT THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN. BOY HE HAD NO CLUE WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT AND EVERYTHING HE SAID WAS WRONG(FACT). MAYBE HE SHOULD DO MORE RESEARCH. I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO CRY WHEN HE WAS CONDEMING WHAT HILLARY SAID ABOUT THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION AND HER HUSBAND WINNING THE NOMINATION IN JUNE. I GUESS YOU CAN'T STATE ANY FACTS THESE DAYS IN LESS THEY'RE IN FAVOR OF OBAMA. BECAUSE IF YOU DO THE LIBS WILL TWIST IT INTO SOMETHING IT ISNT JUST FOR POLITICAL GAIN. "

theking wrote on May 25, 2008 3:39 PM:

" CM AND HILLBILLY FOR PRESIDENT "

Hillbilly wrote on May 25, 2008 1:41 PM:

" AJ wrote on May 24, 2008 6:10 PM:
" Name me 1, just 1 war, where we have actually BEEN ENGAGED WHERE SOLDIERS HAVE DEFENDED OUR FREEDOM!

You CANNOT DO IT, BECAUSE THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY.

Don't get me wrong, I feel sorry for the brave people who have made sacrifices for the government and corporations by going into some bs wars - they were lied to just like everyone else. But you cannot say ANY of it was for defending our freedoms. We must never forget this.

AJ please go back to school and learn a little history. If you can't find one war where soldiers have defended your freedoms then your just stupid. You can hate Bush all you want, but the brave men and women in our Military and the one's who paid the ultimate sacrifice do not need your hateful spew.

Karl since your so down on the Wegman's Bible thumpers then I am sure you would agree that for someone who would sit and listen to this religious crap would not be good for America either. Such as Obama sitting and listening to the Rev. Wright's religious crap where he spews his hateful speech about America's chickens coming home to roost. Or the government creating aids and infecting blacks with it. But, I have now figured out what Rev. wright was referring to about Americas chickens, he was referring to you and AJ and all the other hate fill liberals like you. Well that's all I got for today. See you later Girllie-Man "

anonymous wrote on May 25, 2008 12:06 PM:

" What the school board is saying:
Dont forget you aren't voting on turf, you are voying on the budget. Now get out there and vote on this busget, or we will be forced to take your children's sports teams away.



Now I have a question. If they do away with sports, will we still put the turf down?
"

karl wrote on May 25, 2008 11:23 AM:

" Hey, get this--guess what I just heard on CNN?
Crybaby Bill O'Reilly is so sick of Kieth Olberman calling him out and his lies, distortions, and made-up "studies" and organizations, that he's whined about it to uber-scum Rupert Murdoch, owner of Faux News, and Murdoch actually went as far as calling ROger Ailes (Owner of MSNBC) to ask him to tell Olberman to "back off"!
How about that? O'Reilly regularly makes up statistics, "facts" and figures, and deliberately tries to skew the truth, and when someone as bright and honest as Olberman calls him out on it, he runs crying to his daddy>
"Wah! That BAD Mr Olberman won't let me spin my news! WAAAAAH!!!"
How typical! "

cm wrote on May 25, 2008 10:17 AM:

" karl it has nothing to do with "slamming you" the facts are the facts! Choices!
Could you pull up the "CM" file and show my Concurring about coaches overworking kids-since I don't remember that-I do REM. stating that family/vacations comes first on spring break times.

Todays homework--ask your parents --who attend church--
if theirs have a "youth group"?
Was this youth group forced by the church to join?
Is it mandatory for church kids to be in the youth group?
What does this youth group do?
Do the kids enjoy being in the youth group?

KING: the jets flying over is still in debate-KARL has whined to the mayor about the noise ordinance NEXT to his home! LOL
I wonder if the soap box derby happened yesterday? More child abuse on kids-parents forcing them to race! LOL... "

Farmer's Gal wrote on May 25, 2008 8:59 AM:

" I saw that, Pentangelli, and noticed that Finch was one of only two who voted against it -- plenty of Republicans voted in favor.

I also have to point out how he announced his candidacy while standing right on a factory farm site -- goes along with his mailing about how much he's done to help corporate agribusiness in the region (as they destroy the environment and drive small family farms out of business to gobble up their land so they can destroy even more) -- shows EXACTLY where Gary Finch stands, and it sure isn't behind the working men and women in this area.

You can bet I'll be voting King for Assembly this fall. Oh, how I want to see Finch out of there! "

theking wrote on May 25, 2008 8:52 AM:

" any jets flying over tomorrow? "

movedsouth wrote on May 25, 2008 7:41 AM:

" Good one karl! If you can't explain your post, just imply it was someone else. Good way to back out of the corner. Maybe it's just that you don't know what you are posting. "

pentangelli wrote on May 25, 2008 3:40 AM:

" In a typical, Republican, knee-jerk, conservative, no-facts-in-place reaction, Gary Finch has voted against the extremely needed "sex ed bill."
This is the kind of moral and class bias that other narrow thinkers like Mr. F(L)inch has used to help create the vast chasm between sensible and get-elected thinking. Look at the baies having babies. By the way they from all layers of the social strata. How about voting with your brain Gary...not with your "get-reelected" demographics. "

karl wrote on May 25, 2008 1:40 AM:

" Leave it to you, cm, to make a total non-argument out of the slightest mischaracterization! You'll slam me any tiny opening ou can get, cm, but that's ok, honey--I know you're still smarting from my educatin' of ya about pedophiles. I know that was a bitter pill.....
Of course I don't live "NEXT" to Wegman's. But I'll be damned if I'm going to alter my route of travel to avoid these loudmouths! Furthermore, you can get on a "letters" post and concur with me about the kids being overworked by school coaches, but you apparently see nothing with religious weirdo's abusing their kids in "God's" name?
HYPOCRITE! (oh I love it!!)
By the way--being intolerant of religious bigots and obnoxious proselytizers is NOT "Racism" honey--buy a dictionary please, or go to "Dictionary.com" please. "

cm wrote on May 24, 2008 11:36 PM:

" karl said,"First of all, I live right next to Wegman's, so I don't want to "go around"--nor should I have to."

You dont live NEXT to wegmans-you can easily go down south street & get to anywhere from there!
You're just upset because they pump religion and you are Mr anti-GOD!

Now if the 10 houses on Lincoln St. or they 5 houses on hill of Osborne St.
or the senior housing on the Loop Rd. complain --then I can see it may be bothersome!
Did you ask the mayor how many of those have complained?
Or is it just you who lives blocks away from Wegmans and has several other streets in any direction to avoid Wegmans corners?
Aren't you the promoter of "if you don't like it turn the channel, don't visit THAT video store,keep your pet indoors or it's YOUR fault,and expect loud music if you live near a bar???

Plenty of kids play sports in the rain, parades have been in the rain, and the only threat is if there IS lightning.
I have yet to read of any of them melting or dying(unless lightning is involved).

No, you dont have to go around but easily could --you CHOOSE to venture to that area and then whine about it.
Eat your own words, own up to your own racisms, stop whining like a bottle-baby!
rumour has it TOPS sells soy milk too!
"

karl wrote on May 24, 2008 10:42 PM:

" Oh and uh, Queenie--your hypocrisy delights me. YOu would defend people SCREAMING over megaphones at the general population in a public space in the quietude of the evening, and call it "freedom of speech" and feign indignation that I should complain, yet you would take me to task for calling these people to account for their inexcusable action which pisses alot of people in town off? Do yourself a favor--bring up the subject of the "Bible Thumpers" on Wegman's corners when you're in town, and listen to people's reactions. If you think I'm the only one complaining, you must've been eating QT's brownies! I'm the only one complaining HERE.
"

karl wrote on May 24, 2008 10:36 PM:

" BTW< Queenie, it's a little bit disquieting to me how you consistently frame like, everything in militaristic terms.
And I can assure you that if there are any soldiers going to war to fight on behalf of this country, the LAST PEOPLE I would want pulling triggers and pushing buttons would be Fundamentalist Christians! SHEESH!
A little too easy with justifying immoral actions and killin' for "righteousness' sake" are these people! A little too cozy with who "deserved" this and "What God wants", IMO! SCARY!
By the way, you know what I just heard on the History Channel?
YOU know what's the MOST SHOPLIFTED BOOK in the world?
THE BIBLE!!!!
And guess who's stealing those Bibles?! Well, it ain't atheists, let me tell ya!
"

theking wrote on May 24, 2008 10:26 PM:

" boy aj i heard that from you before. is that all you have for that comeback on your antifreedom rampage. i dont think they let people over 50 in the army. my son is currently stationed in korea. all liberals willing to die for their country please do so now. "

karl wrote on May 24, 2008 10:26 PM:

" Queenie, I can't believe you expect us to believe that that comment wasn't made by you after you essentially ranted the EXACT SAME THING here one day not too long ago.
Either you, or movedsouth, I'm guessing? "

AJ wrote on May 24, 2008 9:22 PM:

" You must be one of those "soft as twinkie filling" guys, or you would be over in Iraq "defending" our freedom, right king?

Another cowardly hypocrite. "

theking wrote on May 24, 2008 8:56 PM:

" HEY KARL STILL WAITING ON THAT RACIST COMMENT YOU SAID I MADE ABOUT OBAMA. I DONT SEE YOU RESPONDING. I GUESS ITS YOU DOING THE RACE BAITING THAT YOU CLAIM EVERYONE ON THIS SITE THAT DOESNT AGREE WITH YOU IS DOING. "

theking wrote on May 24, 2008 8:53 PM:

" AJ YOU WANT THE US TO GIVE TO ALL THESE COUNTRIES BUT YOU DONT CARE ABOUT THEIR FREEDOM. I THINK IN WWII WE FREED ALL OF EUROPE AND MORE FROM THE NAZIS AND EVIL DICTATORS. I THINK IN VIETNAM WE TRIED TO FREE THE SOUTH BEFORE THE DEMS FORCED US OUT AND 58000 AMERICANS DIED IN VAIN AND MILLIONS OF VIETNAMESE WERE SLAUTERED. I THINK IN KOREA WE FREED THE SOUTHERN CAPITAL FROM THE NORTH. YOU LIBS WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THE BRAVERY AND SACRAFICE OF AMERICANS THROUGHOUT HISTORY. DO YOU THINK IF WE LET DICTATORS TAKE OVER EVER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD THAT WE WILL STILL BE SAFE? "

theking wrote on May 24, 2008 8:41 PM:

" karl i bet they are annoying but if you outlaw that whats next an outlaw of all public demonstrations. you dont seem to care about the wacko antiwar protests outside of recruiting stations where they call soldiers who die for this country criminals. hey karl its just rain, you libs are making the american youth soft as twinkie filling. who do you want defending our country in the future? hard, tough men or soft boys wearing dresses. cry me a river, let the parents take care of their children not the government because you think its too cold and rainy. maybe for a wuss. i played hockey in -15 degree weather should my parents be charged with abuse? maybe those people believe in their religion and are willing to take the taunts as jesus did. just because your probably a godless lib doesnt mean everyone has to be. "

movedsouth wrote on May 24, 2008 8:25 PM:

" karl, I don't think it's right, but is it disturbing the peace or disturbing karl? "

quiveringthigh wrote on May 24, 2008 7:20 PM:

" Well folks, I have to go and perform at a party!!!!! Haven't played my 6 string bass since our last band practice. Kind of a common thing for me, since I have been learning Drums the past 2 months. Can't wait. I Love my band. No animosity, no Politics, no Religion, just good fun and true love for each other!!!!
"

karl wrote on May 24, 2008 7:00 PM:

" movedsouth--how do you feel about like, 7, 8 , 9, 10 and 12 year olds standing for hours in the rain on street corners wearing and holding signs? "

AJ wrote on May 24, 2008 6:24 PM:

" Below is a link to a book which should disabuse anyone of their thinking that the US has altruistic motives in our adventurism around the world.

http://www.claritypress-current.info/

Also, there is an excellent site called antiwar.com which I highly recommend for the REAL scoop. It is updated regularly with news and critical viewpoints you rarely if ever see in the "liberal" media. "

quiveringthigh wrote on May 24, 2008 6:22 PM:

" What are these people preaching about???
"

movedsouth wrote on May 24, 2008 6:12 PM:

" karl, I guess you're saying the police are not doing their job. CALL the police, or maybe it's not disturbing the peace, just something karl doesn't like. No, it's disturbing the peace, because karl KNOWS! "

AJ wrote on May 24, 2008 6:10 PM:

" Name me 1, just 1 war, where we have actually BEEN ENGAGED WHERE SOLDIERS HAVE DEFENDED OUR FREEDOM!

You CANNOT DO IT, BECAUSE THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY.

Don't get me wrong, I feel sorry for the brave people who have made sacrifices for the government and corporations by going into some bs wars - they were lied to just like everyone else. But you cannot say ANY of it was for defending our freedoms. We must never forget this.

"

karl wrote on May 24, 2008 5:15 PM:

" Queenie and movedsouth, it is NOT an issue of "free speech", OK? It's an issue of being a public nuisance and of disturbing the peace. It's such an obvious violation, that it's not even opening up my Sarcasm Box for you two.
First of all, I live right next to Wegman's, so I don't want to "go around"--nor should I have to.
Second--these people have their young children standing on the corner wearing placards. Let me state that again--THEY MAKE THEIR YOUNG CHILDREN STAND ON THE CORNER HOLDING SIGNS!!!!! IN THE RAIN!
And yes, last night was not nly chilly, but it rained for a spell--and these abusers have their kids out there like little slaves, holding up signs and enduring the taunts of passers-by.
Does not anyone see something wrong, immoral, or even possibly illegal about this action? I'm personally outraged by it! The only reason they get away with what would get someone else arrested is because they cry "Freedom of Expression!!!" like a shield against good judgment or proper child-raising. It is OBSCENE.
Luckily, the actions in Texas aganst polygamist pedophiles is showing that the tide is slowly turning against abusers who hide behind Religion to do their nefarious deeds. It's about time that this city moved against this "corner cult"--for the sake of the children! "

movedsouth wrote on May 24, 2008 3:53 PM:

" karl if you don't like the bible thumpers, don't go by they! Auburn has roads nearby that you can avoid that. Maybe it would be OK if they had the koran, or whatever you call that thing. Also Obama doesn't want his wife talked about, get her the heck off toe campaign trail! She opens her America hateful mouth, she,s fair game. "

movedsouth wrote on May 24, 2008 3:43 PM:

" I also attended Central high in the late 50s. I had classes in the old, new, and down by the boiler room. We went to school to learn, and found no problem with its condition. "

brew1234 wrote on May 24, 2008 2:40 PM:

" Central High was closed a long time ago and your addled brain may not remember that far back. Also there were 2 wings in that school. One was built about a hundred years ago and the other one was built much later. You must have attended claases in the newer wing. Or you attended classes in the room in the basement by the boiler room. "

brew1234 wrote on May 24, 2008 2:28 PM:

" I work for a living Monday to Friday. If someone in my neighborhood is having a noisy party on Wednesday night, the police will get a call. If you need both sides of the street for all the partygoers, you have a noisy party. Working people have to be respected and get peace on weekdays. Alternate side parking is for street cleaning, pedestrian safety and emergency vehicle access. If your neighborhood is a problem for parking then ask for an exception for your situation. Just don't complain every time an elected official gets an idea. They are trying to improve your way of life. Try it out and if it doesn't work, then rescind the ordinance. But use facts and logic not whining and complaining. "

theking wrote on May 24, 2008 2:24 PM:

" gee karl you want to kick out the bible thumping fundamentalists from downtown. its called freedom of speech. next you will be complaining about bicycle wheels disturbing your peace. i guess your voting for the right guy to inact more dumb restrictions on every american. yet you want to leave the koran thumping fundamentalist american hating suicide bombing freedom robbing murderers alone in the rest of the world. still waiting for you to tell me about that racist remark you claim i left yesterday about obama. "

dd wrote on May 24, 2008 2:08 PM:

" Karl, I agree about the double standard with regard to noise. Now that I am a doctor of doo doo, I can now be the authority of said doo doo. The noisy doo doo must cease immediately. "

movedsouth wrote on May 24, 2008 1:54 PM:

" Sorry karl, AJ, it's not just about this war, it's about all previous wars too. Pay some respect for the ones that have given their lives so you people can say the things you do. "

karl wrote on May 24, 2008 12:59 PM:

" Last night, once more, the peace of citizens of the city of Auburn were subjected to the merciless cacophony of the Bible thumping nuts down on Wegman's corners.
I ask a serious question--if Mark Palesh can get his knickers twisted about live music being played outdoors, why do we have to endure the assault on the senses from the megaphone-carrying fundamentalist crazies on the corners on weekend nights, when people just want to go out for a walk and enjoy the tranquility of the Friday evening? The work week is over, and here we have this disturbance of the peace by people who have no right to ruin the public enjoyment of the peace!
I have called the mayor to complain--who will follow me and help purge Auburn of this menace? "

karl wrote on May 24, 2008 12:53 PM:

" Roger that affirmative, AJ--I can't think of a greater way to honor the senseless deaths of they who have been sacrificed on the altar of profit in this illegal, immoral war than to call for the arrest, indictment, and judicious punishment (whatEVER that may be....!) of the criminals in office who have placed them in their graves!
ARREST BUSH, RUMSFELD AND CHENEY!!! "

AJ wrote on May 24, 2008 12:10 PM:

" Movedsouth, considering that this weekend is all about war, I don't think it is fair of you to ask me to do that, so I will continue to post as I always have.

"

quiveringthigh wrote on May 24, 2008 11:52 AM:

" brew1234 wrote on May 24, 2008 4:06 AM:
" The alternate parking thing is just for weekdays. If you are having parties during weekdays then you have a problem worse than parking. Disturbing the peace comes to mind. Again a fool comments before he knows the facts. "

Don't know about you brew1234, for someone with that screen name, it sounds weird. Parties during the week are quite common out here.

AJ wrote on May 24, 2008 7:01 AM:
" The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder

By Vincent Bugliosi, Vanguard Press. Posted May 24, 2008.

http://www.alternet.org/story/86232/?page=2

For the record, I have mixed feelings about alternet, due to their problem of failing to cover the 9/11 issue fairly. "

Bugliosi, he was the prosecuter for the Manson trials. "

tome8689 wrote on May 24, 2008 11:28 AM:

" Hey brew1234 who are you to dictate where people live. The taxes in the entire state are outrageous for the service we receive. Waste, inflated salaries and budgets go unchecked and when someone questions it, ignorant people like yourself respond by telling people to move. Having a beautiful school doesn't change drop out rates improve scores or make teachers and administrators more accountable. People questioning the status quo when the number of students is dropping, is more than appropriate and appreciated! I attended Central High as well, shortly before it closed and it was not in the terrible shape you descibed. Like the cureent high school it was in need of typical aanual repairs. "

movedsouth wrote on May 24, 2008 8:44 AM:

"
Memorial Day, originally called Decoration Day, is a day of remembrance for those who have died in our nation's service. AJ could you show some respect and leave the war alone this weekend? "

AJ wrote on May 24, 2008 7:01 AM:

" The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder

By Vincent Bugliosi, Vanguard Press. Posted May 24, 2008.

http://www.alternet.org/story/86232/?page=2

For the record, I have mixed feelings about alternet, due to their problem of failing to cover the 9/11 issue fairly. "

brew1234 wrote on May 24, 2008 4:16 AM:

" You talk about how the high school was pushed on the voters. I attended that hellhole called Central High for six years. It was like going to school in a barn that was falling apart. When it rained we had to sit 2 to a seat to avoid all the roof leaks. A friend of mine was hit in the head with a chunk of plaster falling off the ceiling because the cheapskates voters wouldn't pay for a decent high school building and you are still complaining after it was finally built years ago. If you can't afford the taxes then move to Alabama or Mississippi where taxes are low and the schools are substandard. Sounds like cheapskate heaven. "

brew1234 wrote on May 24, 2008 4:06 AM:

" The alternate parking thing is just for weekdays. If you are having parties during weekdays then you have a problem worse than parking. Disturbing the peace comes to mind. Again a fool comments before he knows the facts. "

AJ wrote on May 23, 2008 10:45 PM:

" Four times I have tried to repost the info about WAR, INC, as the cutoff occurred just after posting it. Is the Citizen censoring this? I hope not, but it looks that way. I'll try again though.

Here's a short interview with John Cusack
on War, INC.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/5/23/war_inc_john_cusacks_new_film
"

theking wrote on May 23, 2008 10:22 PM:

" karl what are you smoking? i havent posted anything about obama in days. are you that lonely that you need to pick fights on the internet? i made one post today and it was about how i agreed with you about gays being born that way. where do you come up with this crap? should i be suprised that a liberal is calling me a racist for no reason. NOPE. "

Unknown... wrote on May 23, 2008 9:36 PM:

" This parking thing is another one of Palash's brainstorms. When is he leaving?? I can't believe the council would go along with this crap. Ridiclous, and it's all about handing out tickets. He's way too concerned about parking in this town. Good luck having a party at your house, and having people park nearby. "

karl wrote on May 23, 2008 9:09 PM:

" Queenie, when are you going to get over the "Race" thing with Obama--I swear, if you're not a one trick pony, then I don't know who is!
"Irritated"--it's not all people--just a guy on this site who calls himself "theking". "

quiveringthigh wrote on May 23, 2008 6:45 PM:

" Irritated, I totally agree with you. The Golden Rule! "

irritated wrote on May 23, 2008 5:34 PM:

" Im tired of hearing about "race" cards being played, homosexual anything, why are people so small minded? Step back look at the whole forest, not just your campsite in the forest. I dont care if your black, white, gay or straight. As long as you are a decent HUMAN is all that matters! The rest is just petty nonsense, get over it already! "

bill wrote on May 23, 2008 5:32 PM:

" i can' believe this school board bringing this budget up for a vote again. no is no. this is just how we got auburn high were it is today. i hope they get it this time when it's defeated. can't wait for the turf vote. "

cm wrote on May 23, 2008 4:34 PM:

" I see both sides of alternate parking.
Many of the older houses do not have a drive-way, and people DO stare at you when you park IN FRONT of their house!

But there are also several streets such as lower ends of Van Anden and Seymour St or others in the west-end that are terrible to get thru when cars are on both sides.

I do hope the city does place signs for out-of-towners, which will cost dollars! Will they do that NOW or wait until after this years trial and the final decision is made? "

AJ wrote on May 23, 2008 4:27 PM:

" American-hating environmentalists? What planet are you from? Beside the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about, if you are content to live in a cesspool, why not move to a country with lower standards than ours? "

cm wrote on May 23, 2008 4:26 PM:

" Hey steve I DON'T WATCH IT, I dont write to the network either-I simply change the channel. I also didnt waste money on "brokeback mountain" either!

stevedallas wrote on May 23, 2008 3:21 PM:

" Hey CM if ya dont like it dont watch it ! "
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smarties wrote on May 23, 2008 4:18 PM:

" Alternate side parking year round? You've got to be kidding! What beautification? Let's talk about the real motivator - more revenue from parking tickets! The plows go down both sides of the street anyway, so what's the difference which side we park on? How about enforcing some other ordinances - like not parking close to the corners or on the sidewalks. Some of us don't have the option of off-street parking - do any of you have to go outside in the cold to move your cars to avoid a ticket? I think not. Good for you, Tom McNabb! "

cm wrote on May 23, 2008 4:17 PM:

" GOD BLESS our troops, past and present! "

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