" Who on earth comes up with these polls and who on earth voted yes? "

" Everyone is have benefits for people How come no one has offered to have a benefit for Jimmy Maxwell. The Maxwell's have been in this community for years.
We can do for Brandstetter who doesn't deserve it. "

" Farmer's Gal---great minds think alike ;)..sometimes! ;)
AJ--I don't think a blog would work--plus it would even further undermine participation here at Two Cents, and then the Citizen would blame you for when the paper goes under.
Your political views are well known, and wouldn't be attractive for the majority of Conservatives who infect the blogosphere. "

" AJ wrote on Apr 27, 2008 4:39 PM:
" I was thinking about starting a forum/BB for Cayuga County. Was hoping to get some feedback. Anyone interested? "


It would be good, if the editing stays to a minumum! "

" I was thinking about starting a forum/BB for Cayuga County. Was hoping to get some feedback. Anyone interested? "

" The City scrambles the Citizen on the web huh? Try going anywhere on the so called County computer system, its a relic to begin with but they censor everything on thier system, you cant get to the Citizen web page here either! I needed the editor's number and tried it, got the County block screen instead... talk about paranoid. I asked the Legislature at thier last meeting if anyone had read an article in the Citizen, they all responded that they dont read this newspaper. Again asleep at the wheel on the 6th floor of the COB! "

" I heard on NPR a little blurb about Cayuga County Mental Health, and how the Community Services Board had "discovered" that the Mental Health Clinic with its cramped space (that Legislature has known about for 15 years) sees over 900 clients per week! Wow it took all these years for someone to figure that out ?? At least they are now considering that fact and might be able to improve staffing, space and overall care for the clients that need the services offered. Amazing what the group that is supposed to be leading the County DONT have a clue about when it comes to thier own departments! "

" Has The Citizen ceased any updating to their online forums over the weekend at all? Don't you know that this is a time when more people can get online, read and comment than during the week when they are at work? Looks like this page hasn't been updated since about 5 PM Saturday!

You already made us second-class "citizens" by cutting us out of the print edition (according to many folks here, that's because you buckled to pressure from area politicians who didn't like taking flak here, while everyone knows that taking flak is part of the package when you are public figure) -- are you now going to only update us once a day on weekends or something?

Gosh, that stinks. "

" WOw, did everybody go on vacation there or what?!?!! "

" To be sure, the Warren Commission report is the biggest heap of deliberate obsfucation (sp?) ever -- I mean, really, Oswald's mother's dental records?!?? Just fill the pages with irrelevant cr*p and bury the truth.

We've probably all heard the truth, but we'll never know which story it was....

AJ -- I got the Wolf book on interlibrary loan, read it and returned it. I also ordered a copy for the Ithaca College Library, but that's at work, not here at home, 33 miles away. My house is so packed with books, movies and papers as it is that I have ceased to buy more -- I work in a library and just read and return and let the library do the storage space I don't have. Sounds like your house is just as packed with books lacking organization (mine are only moderately organized at home) -- another reason to have a library, where materials are organized for finding.

I remain a skeptic all around, but honestly, I would not put anything past our government and the corporate elite puppet-pullers who run it.

Been reading about insurance and pharmaceutical companies and the way they drive doctors to only allow certain kinds of diagnoses and certain treatments, regardless of what might actually work best for the patient -- it makes me sick. Or rather, it seems I have one of those health issues they don't like to admit exists because it isn't best treated with drugs. Better to diagnose each symptom individually and give meds to hide each symptoms, so what if it's actually doing the patient more harm than good so long as they keep pouring bucks into pharm-drugs.

I am so glad I finally found a set of docs who take me seriously -- the battle now is getting the insurance to pay for the various tests and treatments. Makes me mad all over just thinking about the corporate control over every little aspect of our lives. "

" Gator wrote on Apr 26, 2008 11:28 AM:
" Thank you QT. Why would I possibly believe a man and woman who have been involved with the space program for many years when all I had to do was google it to get the truth! "

Well, you are very Welcome! Can I help you with anything else? "

" karl i wish you luck with your armed march on washington. i would think that your liberal gun policies may come back to haunt you. "

" FG, I was going to try to dig up some stuff from Naomi Wolf's book, but it seems that it's buried somewhere in my office. I thought you were going to get a copy?

Regarding terrorism - while searching for Naomi's book I did just uncover a heavily footnoted book published in 1982 by Edward Herman, called "The Real Terror Network - Terrorism in Fact and Propaganda".

Anyone who reads it should gain an entirely different perspective if currently inclined to believe the lies of the state.

I'm sure it's still available should anyone care to read it.

"

" Who said it never happened DD? Please do something about your reading comprehension. I understand there are some adult ed classes which might possibly help you there.

I never said it didn't happen, I said the "offical" story (conspiracy theory) is a fairy tale. "

" Thank God for AJ spending thousands of hours researching 9/11. Now we can honestly say that it never happened. A total hoax on America. I guess the hoax continues in the Middle East. Phew, AJ, now I can sleep at night. Do you want to set up a play date with my kids? You have the same mentality of my five year old. In fact, I think they, and their friends would teach you a few things about logic you idiot. "

" You don't hear about our mayor because he doesn't do anything worth talking about.He wants to stay "on the periphery" as he exactly said. He and Mark Palesh are also paranoid. Quill & his buddy Guy Cosentino got the Citizen to eliminate Two Cents comments in the paper effective Jan. 1st when Quill took office.Tim Lattimore endured daily scrutiny & comments in the paper & the Citizen thought that was fine but now the paper is protecting Quill.He & Palesh also have had the Citizen website scrambled in the office of all city employees. They want NO criticism to be aired about them.They have brought back a present day Gestapo! "

" I thought I posted this here earlier but since it isn't here I'll post it again. This is a link to the Pentagon Propaganda scandal story by the NYT. Apparently the nightly news isn't covering the story. Hmm, can anyone guess why?

This is one example of the kind of stuff Ike warned us about.

http://tinyurl.com/485klm

And, prwatch.org has more info on it. "

" Plus, Brew, many of these people have been provoked, and cajoled into these schemes with money by the FBI at least. It's a downright disgrace. "

" cm, you're response to my post about McNamara is absolute proof you know little if anything about the history. "

" We might as well all quit our jobs. I am sick of seeing a TV commercial on people who say, “I went for a doctors visit and did not have to pay anything”, everything was free.
What is that plan? If you do not work and have little or no income you doctor’s visits are free. The people who work for a living have to pay outrageous health care premiums and they get it for free. Let’s all quit and be like them. Why should out insurances go up and up and be a main item in our contracts? We should get it for free too.
"

" Thank you QT. Why would I possibly believe a man and woman who have been involved with the space program for many years when all I had to do was google it to get the truth! "

" Al Sharpton should have stayed out of the whole ordeal. If I was the judge and found out he was involved, I would do the same thing. "

" AJ SAIS: Robert McNamara has already confessed to the fact that the GOT incident was BS. WTF more do you need?

MAYBE the government had higher "national security issues" and needed a scapegoat--so he confessed?!
NOW that wouldnt be the first time that a scapegoat to the fall for all.

ISN't the scapegoat for Auburn's asbestos case John Chick? hmmmmmmm.
"

" I have a lot of cynicism about our government too, but I don't doubt the moon landings. I don't see much in the way of benefit in going to the moon in general, now we know there's nothing much up there -- it's very romantic, and it was the biggest excitement for kids when I was little, but it seems like a bust to me, and takes an awful lot of money for no real return.

As for 9/11, I think there is a portion of blame to our government because it has been U.S. policies over the years that has made so many other countries resent us to the point of hatred. Do not take that wrong -- our government's wrong-doings do not justify such a horrific attack on innocent people, but neither do the doings of the governments of other countries, such as Iraq just for example, warrant the horrific things we have done to innocent people in those countries.

I can also see where certain political entities in this country have leveraged 9/11 to their own benefit, but it seems to me this was opportunism. Whether some elements might have had a good idea something like this was coming down the pike and chose to ignore it in hopes of taking advantage after the fact? I'd entertain the possibility, but not more beyond that. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

So, that's where I draw my cynicism line. I have a natural skepticism and I doubt much, but know little for certain -- which is just where they like to keep us (in the dark). "

" We might as well all quit our jobs. I am sick of seeing a TV commercial on people who say, “I went for a doctors visit and did not have to pay anything”, everything was free.
What is that plan? If you do not work and have little or no income you doctor’s visits are free. The people who work for a living have to pay outrageous health care premiums and they get it for free. Let’s all quit and be like them. Why should out insurances go up and up and be a main item in our contracts? We should get it for free too.
"

" Here is the link to the entire story. It is nice to see the times FINALLY do something right for a change.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/washington/20generals.html?ex=1366689600&en=eefc8e0bdd6ffc91&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink "

" Speaking of the government faking history, how about the terrorist plot by those idiots in Chicago that couldn't plan blowing up a barn in Moravia? They have had the case thrown out of court twice for lack of evidence and bushies people are taking it to court for the 3rd time. In the entire war on terror by Homeland Insecurity they have not had one succesful case against any terrist (the bush pronounciation). And these good results came with violating our rights to privacy. And don't forget the protection of double jeopardy. Got a reply with some facts to back it up, CVN? "

" All citizens should be aware that the Defense Department is once again trying to propel us into war with Iran--just like they did with Viet Nam--by staging another phony "Gulf of Tonkin" incident in the Persian Gulf.
WHen is someone in Congress going to step in and demand an end to this madness?
What we need is an armed march on Washington! "

" Cui bono?

After spending literally hundreds if not thousands of hours looking into the 9/11 disasters, I am 99.9% convinced that people in our own government were indeed responsible for the tragedy, by either having a direct role (most likely) or at the very least by letting it happen.

Everywhere you look the official story is a fairy tale and nothing adds up. The commission was an abject failure (setup purposely that way) that was peppered with people that had major conflicts of interest (especially administration insider Zelikow).

As with the Warren Commission, the so called investigation was nothing more than a crude attempt at a coverup.

I'm glad that we agree on this Karl. What worries me now is what are they planning for an encore? These are very evil people indeed.

Where is Tim Osman anyway? "

" They say the moon landing was taken at a secluded governmental area North of San Ber"Dino by Mojave. There are lots of inconsistencies with those pics we all know. There are shadows where they shouldn't be. Some others, I have forgotten, but GOOGLE it up and make your own decision.
I had a long day. Just chillin' with a Miller Lite. Going to play my drums for a while. "

" Karl-Having met John Glenn on numerous occassion I can assure you we did indeed land on the moon. As a matter of fact I personally know the woman who is credited with the longest space walk. It's dissapointing to hear people disguss something they have absolutely no knowledge in. You would be awestick if you saw what it entails when launching the shuttle or a rocket into space. "

" GiveMeLiberty, I was 110% serious.
The Romans had a primary question that they would ask before starting a trial; "Who benefited?"
When you look at what 9/11 meant for the neocons, I believe that they had their hands in it.
My cynicism of the United States government policies at this point runs so deep that I also believe that the moon landing COULD HAVE indeed been faked.
Judge away, judge away... "

" You obvisously weren't downtown today. The mayor was downtown talking to business owners. "

" Karl,
Were you joking about 9-11 and the moon landings?
I have to ask because I can't tell if you were being sarcastic.
We disagree a lot on certain things but I have always respected you. . . I am hoping that you were kidding because that will change a lot if you were serious. "