" local gas 3.49 BUT local citgo,sunoco, and BP are 3.54 "

" I just read this AM in the paper:
"higher gas prices encourage the economy to reduce its dependence on petroleum"

So, Raising gas prices by 13 cents on EARTH day, encouraged schools to leave the classroom lights off and planting trees,
hmm..the plan actually worked!!! "

" thanks FG, I will try it today.
I am amazed we still have this cabbage growing.
Sick daughter home today with 103 temp says some kids in her class have allready killed the cabbage. They forgot to water it..I hope they don't have pets! "

" water boarding is such a waste of time-
just BEHEAD them and get it over with! "

" Sure, AJ -- if it's OK with the President, it must be OK! You go first.... "

" I use dish soap diluted with water and sprayed on with a spritzer. Not too much soap, just enough that it doesn't taste good to bugs! "

" brew, I can't even remember the last time I saw a true "Service Station" where they sell gas AND do car repairs. The gas station has a mini convenience store, but no mechanic, and my mechanic doesn't sell gas. Haven't seen those together since my dad pumped gas on weekends for extra cash when I was a kid. "

" It looks like it's going to be another beautiful day.

Hey, I know, let's all go waterboarding! "

" FG
I think it was you that mentioned something to spray the "growing cabbage" with so bugs dont get to it..what was that?
the cabbage is getting tall and has 19 leaves. But some bug bites on a few leaves. "

" Nope it's not an indian-owned gas station.
Sorry FG, you couldn't "drive-by" my area on your way to work. You would need a day off.
I spent all yesterday doing yard so I didn't venture out to see if the station had gone UP again. But I have to go by there today. "

" someones grandma made the news
http://www.local6.com/news/15965052/detail.html "

" cm -- where do you live? I'm coming by your town to get gas! The cheapest I've seen it in the Ithaca area the past few days was $3.63, and in Auburn it was $3.51 at the cheapest place this past weekend. If they are selling gas under $3.50 a gallon (and it's not an indian-owned place), maybe I can work a drive-by your town into my schedule, LOL! "

" Sometimes a gas station that makes most of it's money on repairs and service tends to charge higher prices as they don't want a lot of fuel customers. With less fuel customers they can get more repair jobs done. That is not called gouging. Gouging is when a hurricane is coming and the lumberyard quadruples the price of plywood. "

" The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) PREVENTED approximately 1.4 million firearms purchases between 1994 and 2005. Between 1999 and 2005 there were 161,000 appeals to the system, for a number of reasons including mistaken identity. Of these appeals 57,000 were reversed, restoring gun purchasing rights.

From 2004 to 2006, ATF conducted operations at 195 gun shows (approximately 2% of all shows), and these operations resulted in 121 individual arrests and 5,345 firearms seizures.

"

" If loud pipes saves lives then the same can be said for loud mega watt sound systems. Nope, still sounds lame anyway you spin it. "

" Who'da thunk tail pipes would bring out soooo much anger. "

" i agree leon. good luck getting karl to admit hes wrong. "

" Have you heard the news?--Lead in Turf. I hope now we can put it to rest. If you do not you are endangering your children and others. I hope you can sleep at night now. "

" Leon, you generally have intelligent arguments, but it's a different world now than the relatively sequestered society we had back in the 30's!
The internet has allowed entire groups to communicate and mobilize and call out abuses of law, policy, human rights, etc.
We have cameras that fit in eyeglasses now to document crimes, cell phones with video recorders in them and the ability to film "I-Reporter" stories "Live" to cable news services.
Relax. A fascist/Stalinist/Hitleresque takeover ain't gonna happen. I'll eat Chris Van Note's shorts if it does, in public, at Holland stadium.
With all due respect, the weakness of your rebuttal tells me more than your protestations are worth. The bottom line is, your insouciance at having to report your gun sale is NOT commensurate with the lives of the murder victims killed every year because of illegal gun sales through undocumented channels. "

" "Pardon me, gents; but there seems to be a fair degree both paranoia/fear about some "fascist takeover scenario" which, I might add, if it hasn't happened already, it ain't gonna happen, folks."

Wow... really? So, the Jews in Germany didn't think it would happen back then, but it did... the Russian people didn't think it would happen to them, but it did... the Chinese, the Vietnamese, the Cambodians, the Cubans, the North Koreans... see a pattern here? Anything can happen, and things like that usually happen when people are least expecting it, or they are tricked into thinking it's a good thing, or, what usually happens, is enough people are murdered so the rest are intimidated into going along with it.

How about the paranoia/fear about law abiding people owning guns, so much so that people are screaming for MORE government firearm regulation that has NEVER worked in the past?

I also don't subscribe with the "if you have nothing to hide, then" argument. It's not a matter of whether or not I have anything to hide, it's whether or not a law enforcement agency has a reason to suspect I might be doing something wrong. Until they have a good one, it's none of their business what I buy or sell. "

" I usually don't agree with karl but If I have nothing to hide then I don't have a problem with being checked out IF I wanted to own a gun.

It seems the back-door sellers just want $ and no concern for safety. There have also been many LEGAL sellers at these guns shows selling ILLEGALLY.

I still say a background check is only worth last year until today. It cannot predict what might be 5 minutes after the person passed the check. "

" Leon, while looking for the NRA comment-I came across a female cop in Ocala that was killed by her hubby as she sat in her patrol car--he's on the run--I will keep watch online to see if HE had a permit for ya. "

" Last night at 7pm I passed the local gas station it was 3.35.
AT 10am today I passed the same gas station 3.47...
I usually only need to fill up about every 10 days. I have a half-tank left-fill up now at 3.47 or 5 days from now it might be 4.00?
"

" I saw it I an article about the New FL law about having guns in your car at work. I went back looking but I haven't found it yet. BUT came across
a bunch of FL comments:
http://www.topix.com/forum/state/fl/T9LGEHG8B2KE2JUT0#comments "

" "It's the private sales some in government are after, because they can't track them, and they want to know who has what, when they got it, where they got it, and from whom. "--well I see nothing wrong with that at all. NOTHING AT ALL.
If gun owners can legally get just about any rifle, shotgun, pistol, etc from a legal gun dealer--and so far nobody's complained about not being able to buy a deer or squirrel gun, nor a handgun,--then the controlled sales of guns should be of no inconvenience to any gun owner interested in lawful commerce.
Pardon me, gents; but there seems to be a fair degree both paranoia/fear about some "fascist takeover scenario" which, I might add, if it hasn't happened already, it ain't gonna happen, folks.
Secondarily, there seems to be a sense of entitlement to just be able to buy guns with absolutely the most minimalist of obstacles.
Well, I'm sorry, but if there is ANY WAY for criminals to be getting their hands on Tech 9's, AK's, and other mass-killing firearms, then there ought to be a way to track what arms supplier is bringing them into the country and what local outlets they have trafficking their wares.
A one year background check is so ridiculous they could have not even bothered with it. What a stupid law, but hey---some NRA lobbyist is obviously making the rounds somewhere?
"Every time I've purchased a gun at a gun show I've had to have a background check done, just the same as having purchased it at a storefront. "--right!- so where would be the problem then? And what do you have to hide if you wanted to purchase a gun from me? Fill out the forms, report it, and complete the sale. Tell me how the hell this little bit of inconvenience can raise such a ruckus when these sales are the sources for so much murder and killing? I mean, really--I have to wonder what the hell people who want to preserve this "loophole" (for lack of a better word) are thinking?!
Givemeliberty--you lost e with that whole dirt bike analogy--do you have some parts you want to sell me? "

" CM, Did they mean in the past year or something like that? CCW holders in Florida HAVE committed crimes with firearms in the past, although at a VERY low rate.

"What we can say with some confidence is that allowing more people to carry guns does not cause an increase in crime. In Florida, where 315,000 permits have been issued, there are only five known instances of violent gun crime by a person with a permit. This makes a permit-holding Floridian the cream of the crop of law-abiding citizens, 840 times less likely to commit a violent firearm crime than a randomly selected Floridian without a permit." ("More Permits Mean Less Crime..." Los Angeles Times, Feb. 19, 1996, Monday, p. B-5) (http://www.davekopel.com/2A/OpEds/More_Permits_Means_Less_Crime.htm)

I think it is also worth mentioning that in 1997 (1 year after the above article and 10 years after Florida's "shall-issue" law went into effect) the number of concealed carry permit holders was up to 350,000 and only one of them had been convicted of homicide.

So, over 10 years, assuming steady growth of permit holders, there was an average of 175,000 permit holders in Florida. Out of them, one committed homicide and 4 committed some other firearm crime. Although it is possible that the homicide occured between the two articles, making it 1 homicide and 5 other crimes. Either way. That is astronimically low.

I am not sure what the NRA are claiming with whatever material it is that you read. Perhaps they meant in the past year none of the 450,000 current permit holders committed a crime?

Can you tell us the source of your quote?
"

" "NRA just stated that 480,000 FL licensed permit holders have NOT used the weapons to kill in anger only for protection purposes..
NOT A SINGLE ONE??? BS!!!!!"

Name ONE then. "

" GiveMeLiberty actually has it right... the people wanting to close this so-called "gun show loophole" are really trying to outlaw private sales of firearms without background checks. And as history repeats itself, that isn't going to be the final step.

There is no loophole that allows licensed dealers at gunshows to illegally sell firearms to criminals (or anyone) without a background check. Licensed firearm dealers HAVE to do a background check with EVERY sale of a firearm, regardless of where they're set up. It's the private sales they're after, but they're purposely wording it as to be misleading, so people think there are rampant illegal gun sales by licensed dealers going on at gun shows, which is patently untrue. It's the private sales some in government are after, because they can't track them, and they want to know who has what, when they got it, where they got it, and from whom.

Every time I've purchased a gun at a gun show I've had to have a background check done, just the same as having purchased it at a storefront. "

" I would like the private sale of guns more regulated, YET I know a background ground is only good for the PAST year.
ANYONE can "lose it/black-out/temporary insanity" at any given moment.
(terms coming from those who just shot a person)

NRA just stated that 480,000 FL licensed permit holders have NOT used the weapons to kill in anger only for protection purposes..
NOT A SINGLE ONE??? BS!!!!!

"

" "The sound of a Harley actually scares me sometimes when I am driving."

If it scared you then you obviously weren't paying enough attention to what was around you to notice the bike in the first place. I guess what they say is true: Loud pipes do save lives. . . from drivers like you. "

" Gee Karl, how many criminals actually buy guns from "gun shows"?

If you knew the answer to that, you would realize that anyone who uses the term "gun show loophole" hasn't educated themselves on the issue.

When a politician is talking about "gun show loopholes", they are referring to the fact that by law, you are allowed to sell me your shotgun or rifle in a face-to-face transaction. A lot of people go to gun shows with a gun they are hoping to sell. Certain politicians seem to think that this should be illegal.

You said you were a hunter, so I am going to assume that you own a shotgun. Now lets say that you really need some repairs to your dirt bike done. I live next door to you and you know I like that old Ithaca that you never shoot anymore. You offer to sell it to me for $300 so you can get new bike parts. Currently, you can walk over to my house with the shotgun, I can give you $300, and we are both happy. You take your $300 over to your dirt bike-racing buddy's house and pick up his old engine for $250. You and your friend are both happy. Welcome to the world of private commerce.


Here is the reality of the world you seem to be hoping for:
You and I both have to go to the nearest federally licensed firearms dealer. I pay the dealer $40 to run my background check, he signs the gun in and out of his log book, and I give you $250.
Then you take your $250 to the nearest federally licensed dirt bike parts dealer, where you and your friend with the engine meet up to do a transfer on the engine. You are kind of mad about having to go to a federally licensed dirt bike parts dealer, and wish you could just make the sale in your friend's garage, but after the dirt-bike-ninja-sword massacre in Oakland last year, you understand why you need a background check on dirt bike parts. Anyway, your friend shows up with the engine and the dealer collects his $35 to run your background check, which passes.
Your friend wants $500 for the engine parts though, because anything over 250cc is going to be banned if the new motorcycle control laws actually get passed this year.

You remember that politician on TV telling the public how there is no need for anything over 250cc in a motorbike unless you are a criminal trying to escape the police. It kind of made sense to you even though you were sad that you would never be able to buy the kind of bike you always wanted.

Oh well, you prevented dangerous object from getting into the "wrong hands" right? "

" quiveringthigh, figures on Middle Eastern oil are really outdated. Snopes.com has info on that post. http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp "

" HEY TURFERS!
Did you see this? Right here on the Citizen's own website!
The Fed's are investigating the hazards of turf!!!
Read it and weep!
http://www.auburnpub.com/articles/2008/04/21/ap/health/d904n1t80.txt "

" Steve--the station was pretty empty when I went by it. Maybe people are a little smarter than you think? "

" Gator--you gotta admit that a Harley's engine configuration is a lot louder than a Japanese DOHC-style engine.
I think when people hear that thumping, it's what people associate with "loud"? "

" Thequeen, I use "Bush-face" toilet paper that I got in Germany last year, so I don't think the government is going to send me any.
By the way, politiians don't pass laws to ban smoking to make themselves look good; they pass them so we nonsmokers don't have to breathe in your poison in any establishment we choose to patronize. If YOU don't like it, EAT YOUR TV DINNER AT HOME.
Oh, and don't forget to call Washington and tell them to support the new initiative by "Governors Against Guns" proposal that I just saw on CNN--a measure to close the loopholes that allows criminals to illegally purchase guns at gun shows--unless you think that that would be a GOOD thing?
DO you REALLY rollerblade?!?!
By the way too--if you don't wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle, you SHOULD be protected from your own stupidity with a law--number 8623974697, if you please.
Food stamps and welfare? NOpe, I don't want to expand 'em. I just don't want to see stingy, selfish scumbags with no compassion take them away from people who really DO need them. I'm kinda compassionate that way, I guess. "

" The KinG.... Wow that was funny. "

" As the owner of two newer Harley's I find it quite comical that people assume that if the bike is loud it must be a Harley. Stock pipes are not loud at all, even the first stage screamin eagles are not obnoxious. I have come up on many bikes that will blow your ears out. I ride to many HOG rallies throughout the country and I rarely come upon an obnoxious Harley. The obnoxious pipes are for obnoxious people, the bike has nothing to do with it. "

" Hey Karl, If people goto the station thats 10 cents more there idiots! I do think its BS tho, but dont blame them for being more expensive if the people are still going there! "

" you said it Anonymous. Karl seems like the type of person who wants to expand welfare and foodstamps and wants the government to pass 394838452934754 million laws a year. why must the government tell us we have to wear a motorcycle helmet. why should they tell us we have to wear a helmet on our bikes and rollerblades. why can they tell us noone can smoke in bars. how about if you dont like it dont go there. im so sick of all this garbage these politicians pass just to make them look good. i hate to bring it up again but the gun issue and assault weapons ban hillary would reinstate would do absolutely nothing and is just for show...to make it look like shes protecting the people. when all shes doing is giving the government more power. hey karl give the gov your address and the type of toilet paper you use so they can help you out when your done. "

" I posted this before, but as the price of gas keeps climbing see who you are giving your money to.....



These companies import Middle Eastern oil:
Shell...........................205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco.........144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil...............130,082,000 barrels &nbs p;
Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels

Citgo gas is from South America, from a Dictator who hates Americans. If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION! (oil is now $90 - $100 a barrel

Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:

Sunoco..................0 barrels
Conoco..................0 barrels
Sinclair.................0 barrels
B P/Phillips............0 barrels
Hess.......................0 barrels
ARC0....................0 barrels "

" Karl brushes his tooth? "

" loud pipes saves lives "

" anonymous, did you apologize for killing that dog yet? Stop avoiding the question!
P.S.--I don't believe you.
"Grow up and stop looking for government to correct all of your imagined slights."----sheesh; and you think I have "issues"! PFFFFFT! "

" I agree with the Two Cents writer. Anne Mcarthy is great. She is making very good headway in this community. People need to realize that smoking is not only hazardous to themselves but those around them. There is nothing worse then the aroma that it gives off and makes you feel around these people. You have our support as always Anne, Keep up the good work! "

" If you dont like someone's prices, you dont have to shop there. Just because someone charges more than his neighbor does not mean he is "price gouging". We live in a capitalistic society. Asd such, a person is free to set his prices as he sees fit. Grow up and stop looking for government to correct all of your imagined slights. "

" I posted nothing of the sort, Karla. Maybe you have me congfused with the guy who constantly thinks his opinion is the only one that matters. You knw him well, you see him looking back at you aqbout once a month when you stand in front of the mirror to brush your teeth. "

" I want to know what's up with the gas PRICE GOUGING going on at the Seymour/State Street Mobil station on the corner there?
$3.69--A FULL TEN CENTS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE ONE ONLY 500 FEET AWAY IN FRONT OF THE PRISON!
This guy is consistently the MOST expensive in the city!
A camel breaks wind in the Arabian desert somewhere and this guy raises his prices--who do we call to get this guy investigated for price gouging? "

" As someone who once owned a straight-pipe Harley, I can tell you that they may help people hear you, but nothing is worse for turning the neighbors and the general public against bikers. I had to be sure not to come home later than 9:00 so as to not piss off the neighbors.
My dual-sport is way better on gas, easier to maneuver, more fun, and not loud at all--I much prefer my little Japanese drapper... "

" There is nothing as sweet sounding as the rumble of a Harley traveling on the highway. It is a much more pleasant sound than the rap "music" eminating from the so-called sound systems installed in cars. I have lived on a busy street and these cars' systems rattled my windows as they waited at the red light. "

" Noise from a Harley? If it wasn't for the noise from the pipes on my Harley I would have been picked off by a girl on a cell phone that didn't turn her head to see that I was next to her as she came into my lane. Thanks to the noise from my pipes when I hit the throttle, I would bet she would have continued into my lane. The noise distracted her conversation and brought her attention back to the road. My pipes aren't obnoxious, just loud enough to get someone attention when needed. "

" P.S. Found it, in an old Two Cents, at the bottom where I missed it. What rubbish! I just saw Ann a few weeks ago working at a health event for uninsured and underinsured persons in our community -- she was working a booth with info to help people quit. We used to work together and Ann is a fine person and a fine athlete, and no one person, certainly not one so committed to helping people quit smoking, is responsible for any increase in the number of smokers in the area.

The general Liberal-hater isn't the only one spewing nastiness today -- one person is making personal attacks based on nothing but hatefulness towards one individual who least deserves it. Why'd The Citizen print that one? "

" What's this about Ann McCarthy and the smoking rate? Sounds like someone misinterpreted something somewhere, but the Two Cents poster is so vague, I don't know to what the person is referring. "

" karl l. I guess the truth really stings a little. You must be buying something, you are the only one posting a response. "

" You gotta laugh at the way the Liberal-hater on this site constantly rephrases his dumb comments to basically just say the same thing day after day! LOL! What a hate-filled person! SHEESH! "

" anonymous, will you stop posting these silly, race-baiting posts about racism and white-hating Liberals? Nobody's buying it anymore; there's a thing called "going to the well too many times", fool! "