" Karl, if and when you have this party to celebrate the most corrupt, fascist regime in US history going down, I will gladly help pay for it!

Somehow, though, I am not even cautiously optimistic. Maybe a few people will be scapegoated, but none will get their just due. Let's not forget the prospect of them declaring martial law should they feel threatened enough. I think that is the one thing
they've got hanging over the Dem's heads that has them rather frightened. "

" Chris, you're a veteran?
Tells me all I need to know. Thank you.
By the way, please explain to me why we are not helping to bring "Democracy" to China, Somalia, Darfur, Khazakstan, etc?
We got our asses kicked in Somalia, and now we're too skeered to go back--plus there's no oilfields there.
When are you going to recognize the obvious?
By the way--if you ARE a veteran, YOU should be among the FIRST people calling for the ouster of our illegal, tyrannical regime. For the way they've devalued and squandered the lives of your compatriots!
Hey but there is hope--recent news has reported that Bush and ol' Scowl had meetings RIGHT IN THE WHITE HOUSE outlining Torture and the ways to do it. Ashcroft even almost walked out, saying "History will not be a kind judge"--news organizations were asking about "War Crimes" trials in the future!
I'm cautiously optimistic. Maybe we'll see them hang before their time is up--gosh, the party I would throw!
YOu're invited too, Chris!!!! "

" Brew, don't you know? There are suspected terrorists from Iraq in there, which is why they had to close it down. lol... "

" Bush's actions were NOT approved by Congress nor the UN. Please stop spouting off your nonsense. You only serve to display your ignorance. The war is/was/and always will have been illegal, no matter how hard you try to spin it. And perhaps you'd be better off if you stick to the Nickolodeon channel. "

" A veteran who did not even know about the "incubator babies". Did they have you living in a cave back then? Somehow I sincerely doubt you're a veteran. Even the most news averse person heard that lie at the time. And Chris, they kept changing the reason for going into Iraq. That alone should tell you something. "

" What does this relate to the closing of the firehouse? "

" AJ thinks the war on terror is made up by the US government.
His rational? The 9/11 hijackers were eating pork, drinking alcohol and going to strip clubs and not trying to look like Muslim extremists before the attack. Good call there Captain Obvious.
Karl thinks we should have a coup d'état because he doesn't agree with our elected government's actions (although they were approved by congress and have UN mandates). When does that end? Gee, they voted on something I don't like so lets revolt and string them up. Apparently I'm a brainwashed veteran along with all the other brainwashed vets and current service men and woman who just don't see the liberal's version of the truth, therefore we are gullible idiots. I'm so gullable I tried to re-up after being out 20 years, silly me for believing that helping countries along the path to democracy is a good idea. Well Karl, your condenscending remarks are noted. "

" If I was living in Iraq with my loved ones and US planes dropped bombs on my family and my home and had troops marching in my streets and soldiers torturing my friends and family for allegedly opposing the government, I would be plotting for the next invasion of the USA. And I would be teaching my children to hate the USA for these acts of war committed against my country men. I am talking about the innocent Iraqis. They are the ones that are being wronged. These are the future terrorists that we are breeding. From our unlawful actions. We should be providing for the best border security, working with other nations to stop terrorist plots and using the best surveilance of the movements of the enemy but not invading nations and planning to stay there 100 years. "

" The reason we haven't been invaded is because we have the most protected nation on the planet, er, except on 9/11. Our government would not be able to get away with the things they do were it not for the strongest military anyone could possibly imagine.

We spend more than all of our enemies combined to the point of being unbelievably obscene, and are the biggest exporters of WMD on the planet.

While virtually every other industry is currently suffering, the weapons business is still going quite strong. "

" CVC, you're Orwellian doublespeak is pathetic, as is your logic.

BTW , the impetus for this war was 9/11. There is just one problem with this scenario. The alleged hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. So why are we in Iraq again Chris?

I asked you this question before and you still haven't answered it.

Lastly, have you read the backgrounds on these hijackers and their activity within the US prior to the WTC attacks? Not exactly Islamic fundamentalist activity - doing drugs, eating pork, heavy drinking, gambling, visiting strip clubs, etc, etc. Some were also, curiously enough, being trained at some of our military bases.

AS I said before, the war on terror is a complete and utter fraud foisted upon an ignorant and gullible public. "

" PS Chris, thanks for providing the reason for your support for this illegal war. I understand you just a little better now, and I'm both sad and not surprised. I have seen this willful denial of the Truth about this war from many veteran's families and friends. YOU're almost stuck in the role you've been given, "

" Yes Chris--we ought to be invaded.
When a group of moral-less, profiteering, corrupt thugs and confirmed criminals have sullied and sundered the name, reputation, respect, and functions of the American government the way these crooks have, I would cheer any country, party, or individual who would remove them from power by any means possible. I'm simply amazed that it hasn't happened yet! "

" Oh Karl, you are too funny. There is no moral relativism really between what a handful of nutty Christian fundamentalists have done compared to what their Islamic counterparts. We've had a handful of shoot abortion doctors or bomb a clinic, I could count on my two hands how many times I've heard of that happening. I'd need a calculator to figure out the number of Muslims crackpots that have murdered Christians, Jews and fellow Muslims.
The next time a Christian or Jewish extremist flies a plane into a building, walks on a bus full of women and children and detonates a bomb vest, sets off a road side or car bomb or beheads someone, please let me know.
And yes, I have a relative over in Iraq right now and she'll be there for about the next year.
We ought to be invaded? You should change your name to Karl Quisling.
So Karl, you'd take stability over freedom? Repression over democracy?
There are some things in this world worth fighting for and dying for if necessary.
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" I can only add one thing to what you said Karl. That is, before they get strung up on meathooks, we should use some of their own "enhanced" interrogation techniques on the entire lot of them. "

" Chris and DD,--I find it sad that seemingly otherwise intelligent-sounding people like you are so SKEERED by the propaganda being pushed by the Neocon cabal that you actually believe that the "Islamic Threat" (OOOHHH!) is real.
Give me a break, guys, please.
Yes--there are radical Muslims. Like there are radical Christians ready and willing to kill abortion providers.
Like there are survivalists in the woods of Montana ready to defend their cabins to the death.
Lots of crazy MFer's all over the world. There are people massacring each other by the thousands in Darfur and Somalia. But we don't go in there cuz there's nothing in it for us to profit by--like, uh...OIL?!
No "Lie"?? Are you serious? You really bought that "bad intelligence" bull? The only "bad intelligence" is the suckers who buy that line!
Look, any one with common sense can see that 9/11 was the precursor and excuse for the Neocons--who had been chomping at the bit for literally DECADES--to stage their invasion of Iraq, and reap the profits. Problem was, they were just too dimwitted, arrogant and stupid to do it correctly, but now that they're in there, they just can't even entertain the thought of giving up their impossible dream. It's like a guy who buys a house that's a money pit and can't see that it should be condemned because it's got termite rot, but he'll keep throwing money at it because his pride can't let him admit that everyone who told him not to sign the dotted line was right.
The problem is, it's all OUR MONEY that Bush is wasting. Can't you see what the war is doing to the economy? And the price of gas--do you have any idea of the amount we are squandering in Iraq? Ya know what MPG a Hummer gets? An Abrams tank with a huge gas-sucking turbine engine? An F15? The demand it's created is almost unimaginable.
Now the SOB's are talking about invading Iran. I can't believe the world has not called for Bush's head on a platter. WE ought to be invaded by a foreign force and Washington marched upon, and Bush and Cheney and all their co-conspirators ought be hauled out in chains and strung up on meathooks.
$5,000 a SECOND! That's what this war costs you and your kids' futures, Chris and DD. Think about that.
By the way--you still haven't really answered my question, Chris--what is it that you actually have invested in this ridiculous stand behind Bush and his illegal war?
Do you have a relative there fighting, so you're compelled to support it by proxy? Or guilt?
Or are you just the kind of person who ust can NOT admit to being wrong?
Or are you just plain skeered?
I'm seriously trying to understand how a person like you thinks--to have such obvious crap sitting in front of you and yet to smell flowers and wine? "

" Ms Clifford, how big do you think Auburn is? If this fire dept. can not leave the main fire house in the center of Auburn and be at the city limits in all four direction in less than four minutes, they have a problem. Don't cite traffic either, there isn't any to speak of, these FF are getting as arrogant as Palesh, and if you don't feel secure, move, and take the greedy FF with you. "

" I love the line "This was a very busy station and having them in our area, made us feel secure."

Government isn't here to make you feel secure they are here to fulfill the needs of the community.
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" CVC, your post contains more of the same nonsense being spoon fed to the American public over and over and over again ad nauseum, that it is getting tiresome.

This war is not making us safer, and the money that could be spent on useful things is being wasted to enrich a handful of corporations and the people running them.

As usual, you fail to see the whole picture, and only what they want you to see.

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" Thank you Chris. There was poor planning, and poor managment on the part of the Bush administration. The threat is real. Karl--I guess maybe you'd better take out an ad in the Baghdad Gazette to let all of the families know that the people blowing themselves up aren't really terrorists, they are imagined up by the Republicans. Oh, yea, maybe you should take the same ad out in the New York Times. "

" The war against Islamic fundamentalists is real Karl. Bush didn't make it up, Tony Blair didn't make it up, Putin didn't make it up, its very very real. You should brush up on what the terrorists want: Sharia law and a world with only one religion, Islam.
I'm not too thrilled with that idea.
If a Dem had taken us into Iraq I would support him or her.
War started on a lie? No, bad intelligence by the US and a very vast majority of our allies. Saddam had WMDs in the very near past, had used WMDs on both the Iranians and Kurds, kept all the people that could reconstitue the progam at arms length.
Expensive? You bet. A lie, I don't think so. Poor planning to be sure.
Its not destroying our military, if anything its making it a more efficient fighting force. Retention rates are high, reenlistment rates are high as well. This is the type of war we will be fighting for years to come with the Muslim extremists and we will be better prepared with the experience in Iraq & Afghanistan will help save lives (both ours and civilians).
The US has survived much more than what is going on now and I find it unfortunate that you think so little of American resiliance. "