" Bree1234, if you think that is going to add up to the amount of a turf field, then you are living in a fantasy land. On the other hadn, if that;s how your math adds it up, then you better go back to Math 101, or stop inflating your imaginary price quotes. "

" Great 'fuzzy' front page in the 4/9 Citizen. You needed the '50's 3-D Glasses' to see what all those color pictures were about. Is anyone doing any proof reading or at least looking at the pictures before the full run is made? "

" Ouch! That's what happens when you get interrupted in the middle of composing a sentence. One must either say "...no matter how bad the economy is" or "no matter how badLY the economy is killing the public." Sorry about that -- just a little adjective/adverb thing. "

" Or try a Toyota -- I got 41.7 MPG on my last tank, and last week I had 46.3 MPG. A motorcycle is even better on mileage, but not everyone can ride one and it's not good in all weather, or for transporting more than one family member, pets, groceries for a family, etc. "

" excnyer -- Our concerns are a faint whispering on the breeze to be brushed off like the buzz of a mosquito compared to the importance to lawmakers of sucking up to the corporations. You think they care what we say? Not if it can't be brought into line with what their corporate sponsors want. And those oil corporations want ever bigger profits no matter how bad the economy is killing the public.

BTW, if you are doing more than 10 miles UNDER the speed limit, you can get a ticket just as you can for speeding -- going too slowly can be as much of a hazard to other traffic as can excessive speed.

Moderation in all things! ;-) "

" Get used to it, people--the price of gas is going to stay high. It's a scam by the oil companies to force Americans and the Congress into opening up protected land to more drilling for oil. That post by quiveringthigh(?) proves it.
Buy a motorcycle, and get rid of your stupid Hummers and Hemi pickups! "

" AJ, you obviously know nothing about Pablo Escobar. He's been dead for 15 years. Haha, largest supplier of coke to the CIA, indeed. Hahaha! "

" quiveringthigh, now you're not making any sense at all. You obviously know nothing about Venezuela. And what does Pablo Escobar have to do with this? He's in Columbia, and (probably) one of the largest suppliers of coke to the CIA. "

" DECEMBER 21 ,2012 "

" Listen here bucko, add the price of some professional field mowing equipment, gas, maintenance, and guys to run the machines, fertilizer and equipment for spreading it, water costs and care and repairs to watering equipment and manpower to do that. Then seed costs. On the other side of the ledger add income from special events, rental to private and club leagues and the increased use of the field. Multiply that for 10 years of the minimum life of that field. It adds up moron. And on top of this there are 10 years to plan for private fundraising so that taxpayers pay nothing. Any idiot can see there are only positives. I know it is hard for the average negative whiner from Auburn to figure it out, but try your best. "

" When you say you are going to boycott a brand of gasoline you may be hurting a local working stiff that is trying to run a business and put food on his table for his wife and kids. If you put this guy out of business do you think you put the hurt on the big bad oil company? And don'y say he picked the wrong company to work for because he was probably working for different oil companies and they went through mergers and acquisitions several times. So use your beer addled cranium to figure this picture out before you open your big mouth. And for your information, I don't drink. "

" It's just funny that nothing is being done on lowering the cost of gas by the Bush admin. It is SO obvious that it's the down fall to the diminishing American economy. Simple math - more money at the pump, less money elsewhere. Don't they get it? Why is NOTHING being done? Is the president that dumb that he can't see it? Stupid question , haha. "

" Brew1234, I don't believe everything the internet offers. I have a working mind that makes decisions based on facts. I also use common sense. For example, buying someone's product makes them money. If I buy the same product from someone else, the aforementioned does not earn that money. Use your cranium and mathematics to see what the outcome is. Use Beer for product, you may do quite well. "

" Ok, Another Joke(AJ) Keep buying your gas from Venezuela. Do you believe that that country hates only our leaders???? Do a little more research. How much do you really know about South America? They only come to us because they know we will buy their products. Do you think Pablo Escobar thought our country was like his? He knew his exports could make him very Rich. "

" No problem movedsouth.. "

" AJ, sorry I missed it. "

" Learn how to spell, movedsouth? I have just one word for you. Brick! Can you guess my meaning? "

" Anybody that thinks that the money saved in the cost of fertilizer, grass seed, etc. will help pay for a turf field needs help themselves. Those costs are chump change compared to the cose of a turf field. To believe otherwise is foolish. "

" AJ, did I miss the post about Bill O'Reilly, and Rush? I guess it's just you people trying to stir things. And learn how to spell. You sound like Karl. Maybe you should go back to your one man's opinion or go to Karl's web site fauxnewschannel.com "

" Dan, there is no-one that can compete with the hot air spewed by Bill O'lielly and Rush Turdball. "

" when is the auburn school board going to help out the senior citizens by not having any tax increase? taxpayer bill "

" AJ
I believe that the Bush administration has a great deal to do with the high price of gasoline. However, even though the oil companies are getting tax breaks, I believe that if our Washington representatives are inundated with letters, e-mails, etc. from their constituents voicing their concern for rising prices, maybe we have a chance to make the oil companies reduce gas prices. I am doing my part to conserve gas by keeping the speedometer at 55 mph on the interstates. Yes, I am being passed by those traveling over the posted speed limits (65-75, depending on the state I'm in), but at least I'm trying to help conserve my gas usage.
Georgie's time is getting short; we can only wait and hope that the next one will be more sympathetic to the American people. "

" hmmm...wonder where BJ's get their gas from? "

" Give George and his buddies the finger for us, and have a safe trip home FG! "

" I'm at Computers in Libraries -- heading home this afternoon. Thanks for the well-wishes -- some of the navigation to get out of the DC area is a bit hairy. "

" ..heading to dinner,
On the same HOUR that our local Hess was 3.25 the local BP was 3.49.
..ate dinner 1 1/2 HOURS later,
Local Hess was 3.29 and BP was 3.52.
..forgot milk 1 HOUR later,
Local Hess 3.34 and BP was 3.56.

...afraid to go out again! lol "

" Yeah, that was disgusting, predictable theater Karl.

What are your doing in Arlington, FG? I hope you're enjoying your stay for whatever reason. "

" Same ole hot air day after day on here. No wonder there is "global warming" Al bore would not be proud...lol "

" Yes buy your gas from Hess and you will save the world. Do you believe all the garbage you hear on the internet? "

" movedsouth, if you didn't know already "where I'm coming from" by now, then you haven't been paying attention! "

" Oh, Chavez does NOT hate Americans- he hates our leaders. He has offered poor people in northeastern cities relief from high heating prices by offering to provide energy at greatly reduced prices. "

" Quiveringthigh, Venezuela is a democracy, not a dictatorship. The media has done everything in its power to push that fantasy, (judging from your post it has been quite successful) and in fact Chavez was the victim of at least two failed coup attempts. The US underestimated the support for Chavez who is a populist. If he were a dictator, we'd be friends with him.

I buy most of my gas from Citgo for this very reason.

"

" Some good reading..........


WHERE TO BUY USA GAS, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. READ ON

Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we grumbled about it. It might even be good for us! The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We should return the favor.

An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS. < BR>
Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis.

Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends.

I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major companies import Middle Eastern oil.

These companies import Middle Eastern oil:
Shell...........................205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco.........144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil...............130,082,000 barrels &nbs p;
Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels

Citgo gas is from South America, from a Dictator who hates Americans. If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION! (oil is now $90 - $100 a barrel

Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:

Sunoco..................0 barrels
Conoco..................0 barrels
Sinclair.................0 barrels
B P/Phillips............0 barrels
Hess.......................0 barrels
ARC0....................0 barrels

If you go to Sunoco.com, you will get a list of the station locations near you. All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and each is required to state
whe re they get their oil and how much they are importing. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers. It's really simple to do.
"

" AJ If you do not mind funding the middle East do absolutely nothing. Our LIBERAL minded lobbyists are a huge part of the gas price Gouging. They don't want us to tap OUR resources. And you are probably wondering why your grocery bill is absurdly high. There are talks of the teamster to Strike. If that happens, guess what?? You may want to stock up on Top Ramen! Let's see AJ, hmm... Another Joke! I kind of like it. "

" Karl, your posts concerning Gen Be-Tray us and Faux news show your ignorance! You do not have the smarts to refer to the right names or programs. I checked with your Fauxnewschannel.com, NOW I see where you are coming from. "

" Worth Looking At...

U.S. Cred at Stake in Miami Terrorism Trial

With jury deliberations resuming today in the trial of six Miami men accused of planning an attack on Chicago's Sears Tower, legal experts say the outcome will put the credibility of U.S. efforts to crack down on "homegrown terrorists" very much at stake.

The case is "more hype than evidence," Neal Sonnett, past president of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, told ABCNews.com, and it's a viable argument that the government's informant "created the crime."

...

But serious questions of entrapment plagued the men's first trial, which resulted in a deadlocked jury last December and the acquittal of a seventh defendant.

...

"It's clear that these folks were just trying to get some money," legal expert Sonnett said. "They didn't have the wherewithal; they didn't have the training; they didn't have the experience; they didn't have the equipment to bring off a sophisticated plot to blow up the Sears Tower."

"I think there is a real issue of prosecutorial discretion here. Was this worth prosecuting a second time?" law professor Winick asked. "

" Some of that oil SHOULD be off-limits. We have to balance our oil-greedy behaviors as consumers with the need to preserve our planet from rape by greedy corporations.

The price of oil would not be so high if the oil companies were not so greedy -- they have outrageous profits, pay their execs more than professional athletes (most of whom are not intrinsically worth what they are paid either) and the American public gets scr*wed coming and going. THAT'S one of the sources of all our trouble, not the last little defense of the remaining corners of the environment which aren't already trashed.

Why should we sacrifice our non-renewable environment just to briefly (in the larger scope of the world) put off the inevitable day when we reach the end and run out of this particular fuel resource? We're going to run out anyway, and it just compounds the problem if we destroy the environment as well.

Instead, we should be pushing harder to find a truly safe and non-destructive form of energy (hint: wind turbines are not the answer any more than nuclear).

Time to hit the hay in Arlington.... "

" excnyer, do you really believe that claptrap nonsense from an oil industry executive? I hope you have more sense than that. "

" I sent my comments regarding high gas prices and the need to reduce them to John Hofmeister, Shell Oil President, and the following is a copy of what I received. It may have been a "canned" reply, but the information contained in his e-mail is worth reading. If you are concerned about the rising price of gas/diesel, please contact your local representatives and while you're at it, send a note to our "fearless leader", Georgie Bush! I did!

"Thank you for your note and your reflections on the issues we Americans face.

For the past three decades the US Government has prohibited the oil companies in America from exploring or producing oil in 85 per cent of the US outer continental shelf and on hundreds of millions of acres of Federal Lands. During these years America has gone from producing 75 per cent of its oil needs from America's own resources to producing 35 percent. The oil companies make up the difference by importing crude oil from other countries. The rest of the world competes for this foreign crude, driving the crude oil price from about $25 per barrel six years ago to over $100 per barrel today.

The oil companies, including Shell, have been asking the US Government for many years to allow us to explore and produce America's own oil. We have been denied over and over again.

Finally in late 2006 a very small additional portion of the Gulf of Mexico, less than 1 per cent of the US outer continental shelf, was opened for new exploration.

The real problem is 30 years of "off limits" policy by the US Government, called a Congressional Moratorium. Many elected officials like to blame the oil companies for the problem. However if the companies are not allowed to explore and drill for oil, and US production declines, which it has, it seems like the policy of the US Government is to blame. No matter how many elected officials blame the oil companies, facts are facts. We are producing less because of the government's policies. The current profits of Shell in the US nonetheless are going back into the business dollar for dollar to drill where we can, which is more expensive and less productive than drilling where we are not allowed to drill. If we reduced our profits to reduce prices, in a short time there would be even less oil produced in America, driving imports and prices even higher.

We will continue to ask Congress to lift its ban on exploring and drilling for more American oil and invite all Americans to join us. More oil is the only solution to high prices, unless all Americans changed their living standards to use less oil, which is totally unnecessary if we were allowed to produce in the off limits areas of our country.

Best wishes,

John
John D. Hofmeister
President and US Country Chair
Shell Oil Company
P O Box 2463, Houston, TX 77252-2463, United States of America

Tel: +1 713-241-2550 Fax: +1 713-241-1681 Other Tel: +1 713-241-4074
Email: John.Hofmeister@shell.com "
"

" Thanks, brew, right you are!

Karl, I'm pretty sure that although Two Cents is only PUBLISHED online, they take input for the starter comments above from regular letters, e-mail and phone calls. I'm pretty sure I saw that somewhere - maybe in the print paper in the area where Two Cents used to be.

The sad thing there is that some bozo with an obnoxious dumb-headed idea (IMO) can blast off his/her mouth and never see a word of rebuttal -- because the person may well never read the online version. That makes for irresponsible hit-n-run behavior, because they never see the consequences of their words in action.

We used to have engagement of ideas and discussion between the techno haves and have-nots, and now we have a new barrier, thanks to this dumb policy to drop Two Cents from the print.

Your correspondent in Arlington VA, where typing on a Mac Notebook with a too low hotel chair and a too high hotel desk is really difficult and tedious. "

" Once again, General Betray-Us is up on the hill Hemming-and-hawing and bamboozling the Senators with circle talk about our involvement in the war over in Iraq.
First we had to "surge" because things were bad. Now we can't leave because things are so "good". What a line of pure, gold-plated crap.
What's even pore sickening is how deferential and polite these lame-brained, limp-wristed Senators are to this traitor and coward, who is putting his ego and military career and greed for medals over that of the good of the country and the lives of his men and the soldiers.
They should be screaming at him and raking him over the coals!
Sick, sick, sick. This whole affair makes me want to puke! "

" The "town has gone to the toilet" because:
1. Voted in officials only care about THEIR wallets.
2. Landlords rent to anyone that can get a homesite voucher. No background checks!
3. The police dept. has slacked in their jobs. (due to #4)
4. The judges "slap hands" instead of slamming true punishments for sex offenses & drug cases.(wasting #3 time)
5. Code Enforcement answers phones instead of visiting homes & handing out strict fines to owners.
6. The poor whine the system doesn't GIVE enough.
7. The rich whine about taxpayers not keeping up with the JONES by voting yes on turf.
And the middle class whine on "two cents"

ps. this probably just opened the door for the officials to do some million dollar survey to see if 1-7 is true! lol. "

" You know, what's sad is that, as the "Two Cents" is now only online, that means that the idiot posting the middle two comments up there is obviously an online poster here--and yet you never see the coward posting any defenses of his statements or backing them up.
As soon as I post a letter or a two cent line, I'm here defending it and rebutting my rebutters.
Why doesn't the provocateur who posts these imbecilic comments defend and elaborate on their feelings about them?
Either A. it's the editors just trying to keep things interesting, or B. it's an anonymous coward who's just trying to provoke us on the Left, but who doesn't have the brains or the guts to defend what they don't know.
"

" Thank you Citizen editors for publishing the Jehovah's Witnesses information. "

" Sometimes the lead comments are so stupid that they don't even merit a reply. "

" Quote from "Sam I Am"
Sam wrote on Apr 7, 2008 12:52 PM:
" "quiveringthighs" - I know that everyone has their own opinion, but yours is difficult to look at without a sense of pity for the "author".

I was raised in Auburn and folks here are not in the least how you depict them. Auburn had been for many lifetimes a place for family, community spirit, and a great place to raise your children. If the elderly are concerned about their safety, they have a good reason. We try not to judge others and are willing to help those in need, even drug users.

Auburn has been and can become once again the wonderful place so many remember. It's time to strengthen our police force, change laws, and clear out the criminals that come from other areas and put them where they belong.

I'll pray for your soul as I pray for the return to a safe and wonderful Auburn. "



Sam, I don't need you to pray for me. I was speaking of the rapid epidemic that has plagued Auburn for the last 20 yrs. I have never used crack. A lot of my friends have. I was more of a Psychedelic/pot head kind of person. A little bit about me.... My house was burgularized back in 1999. The thieves walked right by $2500 worth of music gear. They opted for jewelry that belonged to my, then wife. Thieves not, but crackheads in search of something to trade a dealer for, yes. Sam, Auburn used to be a pretty decent town, but ever since there was a law passed that the prisoners that reside on State Street can have their families come up and live here on the big Welfare and government crutches, this town has gone to the toilet. I am glad I left. So when I make comments about crack addiction, don't pray for me. I am not a mindless religious fool. Save your prayers for whatever you wish. Sam I am , if you want to do something, don't pray, interact and make a solution. Praying, my friend will not work. "

" I don't know where Auburn/Cayuga County gets these loser City and County Managers and why they pick up other communities misfits. "

" The 2nd and 3rd comments really show some amazingly clear thinking don't they? [cough]

"

" The Jehovah's Witnesses are an abusive cult just the same as any one of them--nt so much perhaps the innocent people trapped in the abuse, but the leadership has blood on its' hands--their ridiculous policies on blood serum--which change every decade or so--have cost human lives. They change decrees and mandates every so often to keep members off-base and make it necessary for the poor people to check with the "Elders" every time they want to do practically anything--this serves the purpose of not only informing the Elders what's going on with every member's family, but also to make the population fearful of doing anything on their own without approval. It's an insidious control tactic.
They use bad Science deliberately to deceive their members, and force them to not work or educate themselves so they can go out proselytizing. Many Jehovah's Witnesses are destitute because they spend all their time "Witnessing"--trolling for converts.
What's more, is that they have to pay for the pamphlets, tracts, etc that they distribute, but receive no income or compensation.
Do you know they are forbidden to play musical instruments?
They should be investigated and infiltrated by the FBI as well. Their whole system is abusive to adults and children alike. "

" hmm never heard of foil on the windows...good idea for sleep assistance...I dont think the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses has the same polygamy thing as these people that follow(ed) that Warren Jebbs or whatever his name is. "