" ". . . in referebce to a silly post by an Obama hater--whom I happen to be voting for!"

Is this person trying to say that they are voting for the Obama hater who made the post?

If not, karl should probably go off on a rant about their poor grammar.

*Webitor ducks* "

" Please AJ-
we are here to debate, give ideas & info, wake up others on laws and tax monies spent, dish advice, and hopefully find way to make our communities better with our "two cents"

let's vote to leave grammar and spelling out of it --no one is perfect.

(besides I just had my nails done for the first time in about 4yrs-great back scratchers but terrible keyboard hitters)

HAPPY ST. PATRICK'S DAY !!!!
"

" Better you than me, AJ! LOL! "

" Stevedallas, don't you mean "I couldn't care less? Please, know your phrases.

I'm going to start grading everyone here on their grammar, so beware.

"

" Right on, Farmer's Gal! =) Thank you! "

" Whoosh! Guess that originally went right over my head. I knew Karl was joking around and didn't even catch on that excnyer thought s/he needed to defend me and/or take Karl to task for his remarks.

Thanks for the thought, excnyer, but Karl and I have mutual respect enough to be able to kid around with each other sometimes (even though we've never met before this forum nor in person).

Once you get to know Karl, you'll know he's no buddy to the Bushes. His opinions tend to be strong and clear, and whether you agree with him or not, there's no mistaking where he stands (that's intended as a compliment).

Welcome and don't let the mini-faux-pas get you down -- we all make 'em! "

" excnyer--put your panties back on, sister--if you know the banter between Farmer's Gal and I you know that I have the HIGHEST respect for her and her eloquence.
The aforementioned comment was a joke that anybody following the last few day's posts would instantly recognize, in referebce to a silly post by an Obama hater--whom I happen to be voting for! "

" interesting aol link

http://money.aol.com/news/story/_a/whos-getting-rich-as-gas-prices-soar/20080313172309990001 "

" P.S. Only a small percentage of those earlier days immigrants were considered "criminals" in their countries of origin, compared to much higher numbers now, and in many cases, the laws they broke there were not ones we'd recognize here. Like the very early settlers who left Europe because they were "criminals" for practicing their religion differently, for example. You can't compare that kind of "criminality" with drug dealers, weapons smugglers, purveyors of prostitution, gang members, etc.

Bottom line is we have laws governing immigration for a reason -- if people from other countries want to immigrate here, let them follow the rules -- or forget it! "

" "pent" we have no control as to what our ancestors did in the past to be in America-they made their judgements/their wars/the rights & laws they saw fit during their time..
WE however HAVE the right to make changes to our lifestyles!
I agree the illegals have no rights to enforce my tax dollars to pay for their needs!
If they want to come here, then follow the rules of our laws-starting with the proper paperwork! Not sneaking in under the imaginary fence!
Did you know that many Texans have had to pay $$ for LAWSUITS due to an illegal jummping over the fence onto their property and getting hurt!!???
I bet if you lived along the border and got sued by one you would be livid! "

" Immigrants who came in earlier times came here LEGALLY -- big difference. Yes, they faced unfair prejudices, but they worked hard and learned the language and eventually became part of our country the fair and legal way, paying taxes and contributing in so many ways. No one today is suggesting we turn out LEGAL immigrants, but that it is outrageous to have to accept every bit of dreck that covets our (relative) prosperity and takes ILLEGAL actions to take it.

Irritated -- right on! "

" Dear Irritated, et al:
Can't you see the silliness of your stand.
When immigrants came to the USA at the turn of the Twentieth Century, they were faced with the same attitudes. They were called all sorts of names, forced to live in "their own" sections of cities and only given the most degrading jobs. The "established" Americans hurled insults and warned of impending doom if these "foreigners" were allowed entry here.
Unless you are a native American...you have no room to KAVETCH.
The original immigrants were "criminals" in their former countries. STOP THE SILLINESS...WHO MADE YOU BETTER THAN ANOTHER.... "

" A lady wrote the best letter in the Editorials in ages!!! It explains things better than all the baloney you hear on TV.



Her point:



Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration.

Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests. Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, 'No! I like it here. It's better than my house. I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors. I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house).



According to the protesters:

You are Required to let me stay in your house.You are Required to feed me.You are Required to add me to your family's insurance plan. You are Required to Educate my kids.You are Required to Provide other benefits to me & to my family (my husband will do all of your yard work because he is also hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).

If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my RIGHT to be there.
It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm a hard-working and honest, person, except for well, you know, I did break into your house.

And what a deal it is for me!!!



I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of cold, uncaring, selfish, prejudiced, and bigoted behavior.



Oh yeah, I DEMAND that you learn MY LANGUAGE!!! so you can communicate with me.



Why Can't people see how ridiculous this is?



If you agree, pass it on ... If not blow it off ... along with your future Social Security funds, and a lot of other things.
"

" Isn't it strange to have an Easter egg hunt before St.Patty's day? "

" Where I live you an tell spring has arrived-The birds are unreal this year, something strange is happening!
The other day atleast 25+ cardinals landed atop the lid of the sandbox in the yard-that had water on it-others were flying by the back door. My daughter and I have never seen this! Not with cardinals!

After a rainy morning-my neighbors yard was filled with no less than 20 birds-
Just maybe all this construction around us-the flocks are coming to our area for a food source-
We added food our bird house-many bluejays have been around today.

PS happy 30th to my sis! "

"
karl L wrote on Mar 15, 2008 2:57 PM:

" Congratulations Farmer's Gal!!! I'm not surprised--you're pretty articulate--for a white girl! LOL! "

karl...your posts reveal that you are a male chauvinist, racist and that it's either "your way or the highway". Do you happen to be the long lost brother of Georgie Bush? "

" quiveringthigh--are you blind, stupid or just a clueless hypocrite?
Now, normally I like my hypocrites with at least a modicum of intelligence and wit, but after calling me a "moron" in a previous post, how can you possibly write "I have no problem with that, but I do not think attacking me personally is a nice thing to do"
OK, so "Neanderthal troglodyte" is out of bounds, eh"
Would you settle for "moron" too then? "

" THESE BIRDS ARE MAKING NOISE BEYOND MY PROPERTY LINE!! Do I call the city to complain? "

" karl L wrote on Mar 15, 2008 2:14 AM:
" THANK YOU quiveringthigh!!!
I have learned that being called a "moron" by the likes of neanderthal troglodytes like you is A HIGH COMPLIMENT!!!
Thank YOU!!!!!! =) "

Karl with a K, where do you get off thinking I am this incompetent and "neanderthal troglodytes"? You do not know me personally, furthermore, you do not have any idea of what I do, or have done for lifetime achievements. Perhaps we need to sit somewhere and have a drink or two and talk about it. I don't come here to flame other writers. I come here to voice an opinion. Along with Stevedallas, you are unhappy with what I say. I have no problem with that, but I do not think attacking me personally is a nice thing to do. I believe you and stevedallas live in Auburn. Well I do not. Perhaps one reason I moved was to stay away from idiotic people like yourself. Understand, rubberband? "

" Congratulations Farmer's Gal!!! I'm not surprised--you're pretty articulate--for a white girl! LOL! "

" "Kristen" is obviously a very messed up person, in a lot of ways. It's probably how she ended up earning money the way she did. Sad story, I'm sure, but that's the end of my interest in her. The public in general, however, enjoys dirt, so we'll probably keep on hearing about her.

I hear you, naturelover, on your points against Obama, and I can't disagree. The lack of a real choice is disheartening, but sadly nothing new. Our "choices" from this sad field do not match, each for our own reasons, but I think we can both see (and Karl too) that the relative merits of any candidate truly in the running this year are shadowed by all kinds of flaws, and we are left deciding for ourselves which flaws bother us less than the others.

I'll be voting for Obama, but it's not as if I'll be out there singing his praises and hopping up and down with excitement if he wins (which I hope he does, but only because it means the others have not).

BTW, currently reading "New England White," by Stephen L. Carter, who is perhaps better known for his brave book "Reflections of an Affirmative Action Baby."

Carter is an African-American from Ithaca, his father was a professor at Cornell and he is a lawyer and professor at Yale. "AA Baby" is his well-argued case against Affirmative Action as not good for black people and only helping perpetuate the idea that blacks only get jobs (and other "perks") because of their race.

I confess -- I read murder mysteries for my "junk" reading (hey, it's got to be better than romances, which I cannot stomach under any circumstances) -- and this latest book is Carter's second volume of fiction. The blurb tells us it takes us inside the world of wealthy African-Americans -- a world into which most of us white folks, rich or poor, have no entree and no clue.

Given the Obama candidacy, it should be an interesting and possibly informative read.

I know someone will feel compelled to give me grief for tooting my own horn quietly here at the bottom of my post, but I spent this morning at the Ithaca Area Toastmasters contest -- and took first prize in the International Speech competition. That means I'll go on next to the Division level, where I'll face stiff competition. It's two weeks off -- wish me luck! "

" To say someone has 'superior speaking abilities' equates to the word 'articulate'. I was just reading yesterday using the word 'articulate' in regards to a person of color is considered a racist term! It came about when Joe Biden used it. Although it was said they dont feel that Mr Biden is a racist, but bear in mind how words are perceived, this coming from a black person. So we stand at the race crossroads in this country in my opinion. I mean yesterday you have a fellow poster that says while in Alabama he bought a 'necktie', this is 2008 people. To me Obama is too green and I just plain dont like him and I am SO not republican. Worse times are ahead - I am sewing money under the carpets - just kidding ! geez. "

" Having a black father and being raised by a white mother and white grandparents since the age of 2 would make me believe that Obama is the only candidate that truly understands the word racist. He went to Columbia University and Harvard where he was the first African-American editor of the Harvard Law Review and he graduated magna c-m laude in 1991 (the editor said c-um is an inappropriate word), I'd say that's pretty impressive. People I know in IL are quite impressed with him as their Senator (long before his candicay for President). He has done many good things for his state, the only thing Clinton has done since moving to NY is run for president. Why isn't she the Senator for her home state, must be she just loves New Yorkers. The only experience she has is that she lived in the White House as the First Lady. "

" It is absolutely shameful the way Mr. brandstetter is shrilling for money. How much more does he expect the Public to support him and his family? Get another job and stop begging for us to pay your bills, loser! "

" Lets talk about something important though--what do you guys think about that slut/wh0re "Kristen" profiting off of this whole Elliot Spitzer thing?
Her music SUCKS! And yet they're playing clips of it on CNN! And she's being courted by Penthouse and Hustler? Every so often a story like this comes along that shows you how sick and warped American society really is--people are rewarding this little tramp for being a prositute. What a sickening shame. "

" DD, first, I've "seen the light" about Hillary a while ago. Not in the "hater" way that a lot of The Right would like to believe, only in the sense which I just said--I think it's time to move on from the whole Cinton/Rove/Gingrich legacy in Washington.
Second, yes, I SINCERELY BELIEVE THAT THE INEXPERIENCED FRESHMAN SENATOR IS THE BEST CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT!!!
I believe this becasue 1., of the three running, NO ONE could be worse than McCain! This guy is a post-traumatic-stressed-out psycho (did you read the Newsweek article about him? You should!)who's still trapped in a Viet Cong cage in his head. I worry about his temper, his vindictiveness, his age, and his stability. Every time you see him, he's like, grinding his teeth and looks like he's ready to just spray the room with an AK! He's a fear monger and a war monger. He's also a phony flip-flopper on tax cuts. 2. the time to move on from the Clinton years in now. and 3., I'm not afraid of giving a fresh and relatively untested person be president--hey, no one could do worse than Bush has, so anywhere we go from here would be an improvement. I think Barack will do amazing things, people just need to get past the racist attacks against him.
Ans lastly DD, I wish people would JUST STOP listening to preachers and holy demagogues! When are people going to realize that PREACHERS ARE FOOLS!?!? I for one would be thrilled to see the Religious Right take all--and I DO mean ALL--of their preachers, televangelists, Washington advisors, policy hacks and moral watchdogs and crawl back into the hole where they came from! When are people going to stop listening to these tiny-minded men? "

" To continue w/Hmmmm's ? yesterday regarding if our public votes count or is it the electorial college that votes in the candidates, if my memory serves me right, I think Dub Ya was the 2nd person in hx that lost the public vote but yet was voted in because of delegates.
Now with Obama, McCain, etc, I think we are ALL using selective hearing because I am hearing ALOT about Obama's 'spiritual leader' of 22!! years, a man he always returned to and was married by this man. And now suddenly he is distancing himself. I think Obama is just as crooked as the rest of them, I mean look at the almost $200K raise his wife recd - tell me they aren't priviledged. And eloquence doesnt mean roll up the sleeves lets get the work done type of person. Obama clearly is relishing the spotlight but I am doubtful he is the type of person to handle the Whitehouse. So I guess what it boils down to is this, they all SUCK basically but what one will be able to handle all the troubles we face as a country. I still wish for Hill. I feel again disillusioned by the choices. "

" Karl-I know everyone has the right to change their mind, but you were so high in Hillary just a few weeks ago. Have you seen the light? You will with Obama too. With regard to John McCain, he did not accept the endorsement while the minister was blatting out racist rhetoric. McCain quickly distanced himself from the minister when he heard of his stances. But, as long as we're on the race card, Obama's spititual advisor sounds like the most racist black man I have heard besides Farrahkan. The guy supposedly led Obama to Christianity, married him, and was until recently on Obamas national religious board. I simply do not believe that racism exists in a manner that Obamas minister states. Oh yea, I think Ferarro's comments ring true in some senses. Do you really believe that an inexperienced freshman senator is the right person for president, black or white? I think that we will all agree on one thing--Comments made by individuals does not make up the opinion of the candidate, so I don't place too much stock in the comments. "

" It was a joke Farmers gal! I could really careless ! "

" Oh, and quiveringthigh, I forgot to add, "Nyah, nyah, nyah nYAH NYAH! "

" THANK YOU quiveringthigh!!!
I have learned that being called a "moron" by the likes of neanderthal troglodytes like you is A HIGH COMPLIMENT!!!
Thank YOU!!!!!! =) "

" Karl( With a K ) L, I have read some past submissions you wrote, thanks to farmer gal! You are a moron! "

" karl L wrote on Mar 13, 2008 11:38 PM:
" hey quiveringthigh--thanks for proving who the REAL "joke" is--what a moron!
Its obvious who's the author of such moronic comments. How typical of a cowardly little runt to hide behind a pseudonym! "

Karl L., I am sure you would not know who I really am. Believe me, I don't know who you are. Who cares. I would never see you on the street. If I told you who I was would it make me less of a moron?? Cowardly little runt because I think Obama is fake?? Get a life you SCHMUCK! "

" I didn't see the last comments here by Chris so I can't comment on them but yes, naturelover, I DO like Obama, and WIL be voting for him.
Hillary has taken too much money from lobbyists, and I just have seen a side of her that I don't like and don't trust. She really seems to be going "low" to try to score with voters, and I'm sick of that from a candidate.
But more than that, I'm ready for something new--no more Clintons or Bushes, no more warmongers or personal vendettas in DC. Look, after the last disastrous 8 looooong years, we really can't do any worse! It's time to give a totally new fresh voice and face a chance. NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE could be worse than Bush right now, so I'm voting for change--change from war, change from Bush/Clinton.! "

" I hear someone has a special comment directed to me. Since the "editor" has their panties in a twitch, I would like to see the comment again. I would like to rebute. "

" If Obama gets on the Democratic ticket, It will feel like 4 years ago when the pickins were slim to none because and the choice was either Bush or Kerry. Couldnt stand either one and I fear 2008 will be the same. Grandpa will win hands down if Obama is his opposition. Honestly Karl, do u really like Obama? Out of what was left I was hoping for Hill. "

" Steve -- type the words TWO CENTS in the search box above. Hit enter. Choose the listing dated 13 March -- and you can keep right on reading and writing on the previous Two Cents page.

Here's what I have to say, to continue to conversation on this day's page:

Obama speaks well without notes. He's sharp on his feet and natural, rather than only pronouncing carefully crafted sound-bytes written by his handlers, as Sen Clinton does.

I like his superior speaking abilities, but it isn't a top necessary qualification to be President. I hear things I don't like about Obama, I most definitely do not like his stance on illegal immigration AT ALL, but overall the things I dislike about him are not as bad nor as many as the things I don't like about the other candidates.

Stuck with the lesser of evils yet again. We all suffer under the delusion of having an actual choice in our elections.

And curious it is, isn't it, that so few of us actually know anyone who voted for Bush. More reasons to resist electronic voting machines!

But the very best thing about Obama is his LACK of "experience" -- that means he is less integrated into the machinery of corruption that has been running our country for so long, less owned by the corporations and special interests.

Oh, and in the post by Chris, I can't see a single thing wrong with any of the comments of Obama's pastor you quoted -- all true, correct and needing to be said. "

" Judging from that first whiney comment, I'd like to welcome Geraldine Ferraro to the Two Cents!
It's obvious to me that we have one very bored, miserable grump who has nothing to do but sit at home watching Faux News, calling the Two Cents line to regurgitate the same ridiculous nonsense.
What about the bogoted, racist WHITE preacher who's endorsing John McCain?! McCain stood there and accepted his endorsement!!!!
RACIST!!!! BIGOT!!!!!! "

" just gets good and bam! clear board ! "