Holland Stadium project advances

By Alyssa Sunkin / The Citizen

Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:21 AM EST

AUBURN - The proposed capital project for the Auburn Enlarged City School District will officially move to the next step.
The board of education voted 7-2 Tuesday to send the proposed capital project to engineers and architects for further planning and study.

A proposal on the capital project, which currently is 87 percent funded from state aid, is expected to come before voters in May.

Board president David Lansford and board members Sam Giangreco and Bill Andre voiced their support for including Holland Stadium into the project, stating that the cost would ultimately be minimal to the taxpayer and would provide for students and Cayuga County a unique stadium that would be a venue for sporting events as well as a gathering place for people.

“We need to focus on what the future's going to hold for these kids,” said Giangreco. “The future of that stadium is an important, integral part in our education because that's a place that they can play. That's also a community place, it's a place where Auburn gets together...

“Costs will go up, and if we don't do it now, four years from now or whenever we bring this up again and whatever board brings it up again, it's going to take more of a cost. Anybody in business knows that.”

The board is proposing an estimated $14.9 million capital project, of which $3.5 million would be earmarked for renovations at Holland Stadium, including concrete work, lighting, the installation of synthetic turf, enhancing the walking track and additional parking. The remaining money will be used for upgrading technology and infrastructure in each of the district buildings.

Superintendent Joseph D. “J.D.” Pabis has said that synthetic turf is ultimately cheaper than natural grass when considering life span and maintenance.

Board members Fred Cornelius and Joe Leogrande dissented and specifically cited Holland Stadium as the reason for their no vote.

“Our priorities need to be technology and moving forward in those aspects, which I know we are trying to do,” Cornelius said. “I am in favor of the turf field in an area of the school district where all students will be able to utilize it. I don't believe that Holland Stadium is that place and although I do see that there are necessary renovations to be done and that those necessary renovations should be a priority one for this next year, I don't believe that we can in good conscience say that synthetic turf is a priority one ...

“I don't like the proposal as it stands and I'm not in support of any referendum going forward where turf is included and not separated, because I think we'll shoot ourselves in the foot. This is such a divisive issue that needs to be separated so that we don't lose on the things like technology and code specific items.”

Leogrande suggested the board consider separating Holland Stadium from the capital project and put two separate referendums before voters. From what he has heard from the community, he said, the public is generally not in favor of renovations to Holland Stadium.

“I think we really need to consider public opinion,” he said.

The board has until March 27 to make that decision.

The next board meeting will be at 7 p.m. Feb. 12 at the Auburn High School library.

Staff writer Alyssa Sunkin can be reached at 253-5311 ext. 239 or alyssa.sunkin@lee.net

The Citizens' Say

There are 21 comment(s)

james_13021 wrote on Jan 24, 2008 5:29 AM:

" Plus there is better parking at the High School instead of the former East High School, now East Middle school. Get the Football team back to the High School for games and practices, use/comvert the High School track to a football field... "

james_13021 wrote on Jan 24, 2008 5:25 AM:

" Forget the renevating of that piece of junk. They already have artificial turf up at the High School for the track team...BIG WASTE OF MONEY. Just convert the track over to a proper football and soccer arena and stop making the High School Football team commute to practice and play at the old run-down former East High School.

It has always been a problem for High school Football player getting to practice after school when they have to commute across town after school. The High School Football team should be at the High School!!! "

drab1624 wrote on Jan 24, 2008 3:19 AM:

" If We don't want to improve Holland Stadium, lets sell it to the College and they can rent it to us for Athletic events!! The place is a disgrace to the people of Auburn!!!!! "

brew1234 wrote on Jan 24, 2008 12:43 AM:

" I feel these improvements are good for the school system but the price tag is high and the means of paying for the project are questionable but these elected officials are doing what they feel is right. I know some of these board members and I consider them well meaning and honest. Let the voters decide at the polls and I don't think it's the end of the world either way. So lighten up and say your piece and vote your heart and keep your heads straight and the retoric calm. "

forrest wrote on Jan 23, 2008 10:22 PM:

" Jobs bring people to a state or city,low taxes bring people to a state or city,low crime rate brings people to a state or city. A football field with turf for a high school will not bring people to Auburn to live or open a new business or anything else, this project will not do anything for the economy of Auburn. Spend the money to better educate the students,lower the drop out rate,raise the graduation rate. "

scoppola wrote on Jan 23, 2008 9:32 PM:

" It's good to see the discussion we are having gets less personal. I do totally understand that many citizens are overly frustrated about the cost of living. That this might lead to be against the very high expenses for artificial turf makes a lot of sense. But I am hoping that at the end of the day we will be able to see the advantages this turf will bring to Auburn. It is one important step in the right direction to make Auburn (that's all of us)a better, more modern and more attractive place to live. A place where things do not stand still but move forward. A city driven by people that care, take action and accept responsibility. I agree there is many more steps to be taken and the first big one is often the hardest. "

longboard315 wrote on Jan 23, 2008 9:15 PM:

" NICE! Smart move for the Holland Stadium upgrades. For all of you Nay-Sayers out there....Waaaaaaah! Taxes go up every year, in every single town in our country! Quit your complanining and do something about your current economic status. "

gonesouth wrote on Jan 23, 2008 8:37 PM:

" Wow turf at the stadium..thats great. I am glad to see an Auburn landmark finally being taken care of. My father played at that stadium, and I played there. Compared to some of the stadiums I have seen here in the south, even in cities with the same size and economic situation, Holland Stadium needs the improvements. Maybe with the improvements they can get the college to rent it for soccer, field hockey and lacrosse. "

RWT wrote on Jan 23, 2008 7:58 PM:

" I think they should have turf, then the ones that do graduate from Auburn can stay and watch football games on the turf they played on. I'm sure it would be a goal for them. Also, with the weather in Auburn, they should consider a dome. "

Yikes wrote on Jan 23, 2008 7:39 PM:

" I'm glad to see that we have at least seven members on the BOE who can think rationally and intelligently.

When you consider the fact that district taxpayers will be paying approximately 13 cents on the dollar for these improvements, it's clearly a no-brainer. I believe Jim wrote it best when he stated it would amount to approximately $10.00 annually per district taxpayer.

I'll bet Jerry a twinkie that most taxpayers can come up with several ways to offset that additional $10.00 a year. Here are a few of my own thoughts.

1) Instead of sticking to my regular 4 week haircut cycle, I'm going to skip this month because it's cold and the extra hair provides warmth on my head. Savings - $13.00.

2) I budgeted to have my oil changed this month for $24.95 but viola, I came across a coupon from a competitor. Savings - $10.00.

3) I typically take the thruway to work in Rochester but this week, I'm going to take 5 & 20 instead. Savings - $12.60.

4) I like Pepsi and I drink a lot of it, but this week I think I'll buy Sams Club brand instead. Savings - $11.82.

5) I'm going to bring in leftovers for lunch tomorrow and Friday instead of buying at the office. Savings - $13.50.

Heck, by the end of the week, I'll have saved enough money to pay this additional $10.00 tax for 5 years.
"

Unknown... wrote on Jan 23, 2008 4:34 PM:

" Another thing....why do they think they can go ahead and hire all these consultants for this project that nobody wants, before it's been voted on? Why put the cart before the horse?? Are they going to throw it in our faces that they already spent money on the stadium project, so what the heck?? Yeah, Jim, only another $10. Another $10 thrown on the pile that keeps growing bigger & bigger every time we turn around. I'm getting tired of this, plus $3.30 / gal for gas, the cost of food going sky high, the cost to heat my house, and everything else you can think of. I'm glad you don't think anything of it, other than a latte, but you are in the minority. The taxes are driving people out of their homes, especially the elderly. Think of that when you're in line at Starbucks. "

jlmorgansr wrote on Jan 23, 2008 3:48 PM:

" I'm sorry there my friend but that is exactly what this board is intending on doing. The new concession stand with locker room is bid out to cost $597,000 and I have news for you, that amount of money is alot more than some of this city's neighborhoods.
Furthermore, you cannot separate the current economic problems we are facing just because you are in favor spending millions of tax dollars on frivolous items. It is all relevant. In order for this board to have acted responsible it should have looked at the economy, at both local and state level. Why do you think a board member sits on the AIDA board? I will be at the informational meetings and i hope you introduce yourself. But, I have to wonder why you are aren't telling everyone the costs of this project? I wonder, if I am spreading mis information, why you don't give the correct amount for the projects? I'll tell you why, because I have the correct number and you know it. I have been spreading the word all day and i can gurantee this proposal is going to be voted down. "

tome8689 wrote on Jan 23, 2008 3:42 PM:

" Jim, Why don't you and your wife forgo two lattes and pay my ten dollars. The district spoke over a year ago about the turf issue. Yet it continually resurfaces because people hope they will wear the general public down with their rhetoric about the cheap cost and positive impact on the economy. I agree with Mr. Morgan, the argument of only $10.00 gets overplayed. A great example is Seymour Library. Initially it was only going to be a $10.00 impact to the taxpayers. This tax year my library tax is over $178.00. For a building myself, my wife and sons never use. The college library and internet eclipse this building. And improving Holland Stadium will have no more impact on the community than Bass Pro did. Bringing a few more $8.00/hr jobs does not help the economy to any great extent. And the reason the south does better with businesses and the enticing the general public to move there is the absence of outrageous property taxes, Certainly not turf on the Winston Varsity football field. "

tlb4 wrote on Jan 23, 2008 3:02 PM:

" What an outlandish post. The project that the BOE is considering for improvement of schools is to include replacing boilers, and other energy saving work on the buildings in the district. The renovation to Holland Stadium to increase the utilization with an all-weather turf, better lighting, better PA system and running track. Mr. Morgan somehow links this project to the struggling local economy(like the rest of America) the dropping stock market,and the depressed and poor neighborhoods in the district. Mr. Morgan, What is the relationship of improving Holland's turf to businesses leaving our country for cheaper labor elsewhere? Next Mr. Morgan will write that he is voting no because if it passes the world will end. No Mr. Morgan there is no plan to build a "concession stand that will cost the same as a city block" either. I will see you at the upcoming informational sessions about the project. "

jlmorgansr wrote on Jan 23, 2008 1:59 PM:

" With all due respect Bob, the reason you gave for leaving the area are still here today. There is no growth, every year more and more industries are leaving the area. Taxes and fees are outrageous. You talk about moving as the best thing you have ever done, well building a stadium with artificial turf and other multi million amenities will not keep people here and it will not spur growth, it will only add to the debt load and increase the burden on an already over taxed city. If Auburn was growing like your adopted city then it would be different, instead we are losing population and that leaves less and less people here to pay for these increases.

As for Jim I understand that the operational budget is different than building aid, but the money to operate both is still money, an increase is an increase no matter how you look at it. When we get our tax bills we wont get one that says BOCES/building capitol improvement increase/ ordinary budget increase, it is all together and no matter how you want to make it appear, if it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck it is a duck. An increase is still an increase. I will vote NO and I will encourage everyone I know to do the same "

bbgonza@aol.com wrote on Jan 23, 2008 1:03 PM:

" I lived in Auburn most of my life moving in 1993 for employment reasons because the area was and still seems to be a depressed area no work and nothing to do, My family moved to Winston salem North Carolina the best thing we ever did.If you want to see growth in employment every new business there can be and so much to do sports wise and other entertainment this is the place.Fixing a place like holland stadium as a centerpiece of the city would be a smart thing to do and i applaud those who are in favor of that.The backwards thinking of those voting and anyone else in Auburn who would vote against that is a testimony to what is wrong with Auburn,You will not have anyone staying there especially the young folks if there is no reason to.Anyone in my opinion is a fool to go against such a proposal.Here in winston we will be building a new single a baseball stadium downtown. Construction has already started and there will be shops and restaraunts all around it thats what Auburn should be doing with Holland stadium. Some of your councilman should pay a visit to Winston to see how a real city is run. I would never come back to live in Auburn and im sure once the young people leave there they will feel the same. You should do as much as you can to attract people to live there it wasnt done when i was there and nothing seems to have changed Thanks BOB GONZA "

Jim wrote on Jan 23, 2008 12:57 PM:

" Unknown...this project is a capital project, separate and distinct from the school's annual operating budget. By voting no on the capital project, all you do is say no to this capital expense. This particular no vote would have no impact on the operating budget - hence, no contingency budget. Second...the cost of hiring and paying architects and engineers is in that $14.9 million budget. No design work is done until the project is approved. All that's been done so far is some very preliminary (aka cheap) planning work. "

jlmorgansr wrote on Jan 23, 2008 12:44 PM:

" According to Jim,,
Here we go again...The estimated local cost of this project per tax paying property is about $10 per year (it might end up being less)

OK Jim, tell me how much did the BOCES Building cost us? Another 10 to 20 dollars?

And what about the project that was approved last year? was that another 10 or so dollars?

What about the budget increase? How much will that cost us? Just another 10 or so dollars?

What about the contracts for the teachers? They deserve a raise, so how much will that cost us? Maybe another 10 or so dollars?

What about the administrators contract? Their contract expires this year so they are in line for a raise so how much will that cost us? Maybe another 10 dollars or so?

What about increase in fuel for the district or the insurance we are told increases every year? How much will that cost us? Just another 10 or so bucks?

What about our local water and sewer, and local city and county taxes? Are they going up another 10 or so bucks?

You see Jim it's all adding up, and I dare say with the local economy struggling to keep their head above water, and a recession looming on the horizon, and the stock market taking a beating things are looking rather bleak. Yet, we have a board of education that sits impervious to every economic situation because they have the ability to tax and increase revenue at will, while giving lame examples such as the one you gave.

This area is depressed, neighborhoods are falling apart, there are over 200 pieces of abandoned property in this city. We have been hit with high unemployment, and we have had two employers leave the state and/or country in order to compete on a level playing field.

This whole project deserves to be scrapped and put on a shelf. When the debt load is reduced and the economy has bettered itself then it should be addressed, until then I will VOTE NO AND ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO DO THE SAME "

Jim wrote on Jan 23, 2008 12:18 PM:

" Sorry...I'm going to re-post this. The article I attached it to was archived within ten minutes of my posting it. Here we go again...The estimated local cost of this project per tax paying property is about $10 per year (it might end up being less). My wife and I might have to forgo one latte each over the course of the year in order to afford that increase. What do we get in return? Replacement of outdated equipment, new high tech equipment in classrooms, and an upgrade of the outdated and crumbling Holland Stadium. Is it worth it? Yeah...it's worth it. I should probably be drinking juice anyway. "

Unknown... wrote on Jan 23, 2008 12:17 PM:

" Also, it's too bad they are going to spend money on engineers & architects for this when nobody wants it. The cost of that alone should be voted on. Auburn is a very depressed area, and a shrinking town, they can't expect us to be able to keep up with larger communities that can afford this. All I can say is I will remember those on the board in favor of this come election time. "

Unknown... wrote on Jan 23, 2008 12:12 PM:

" Man, they are really trying to ram this one down our throats. I hope they are prepared to operate with a contingency budget, because this one is going to go down in flames if it's not separated out. "

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