" NATURE LOVER - kEEPING THINGS LIMBER" IS NOT OFTEN POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. PERHAPS YOU SHOULD TRY TO WALK A DAY IN THEIR SHOES.

THESE ARE NOT NECESSARILY WELFARE REPIPENTS. MANY, OR MOST ARE SUFFERING FROM MALADIES OF BIRTH "

" Farmer'w Gal, I hate to admit this, but I don't think I'll be pulling the "Hillary" lever in November anyway. (Although I WOULD like to see how many Conservatives would drop dead in apoplectic fits or leave the country if she won! LOL!) I agree with you 100% about the donations and money she took from lobbyists--I don't trust her. And the pharmaceutical/defense industry seems like they already "got to her". I'm also ready to move away from the divisiveness in Washington--I think we need someone OTHER than a Clinton or Bushie--no one of the "Old Order", but a new face without any vendettas to settle. "

" nature lover -- the part about the good belly laugh.

I also agree that Steve needs a glass of wine and a time-out from posting lengthy rubbish just to be sarcastic.

I've tried to keep my cut-n-pastes brief and to the point, and better with a link for anyone who cares enough to follow up. Gee, I am long-winded enough on my own without needing to quote other sources extensively!

Finally, I don't fit any of those pat little definitions, I'm afraid. Like I've said here before -- I don't do the label thing, not on myself, and I try not to do it to others. I don't need to define my world with pigeon-holes.

I hate to spoil your high opinion of me, Karl, but I don't like Hilary or trust her as far as I could throw her. Many of the positions she takes fit with mine, while others don't, but I have always felt she just takes the position she thinks most strategic to get her to votes she needs to be where she wants to be. And I definitely don't like her taking big contributions from drug companies when her big claim to fame is supposed to be health care reform -- I don't like corporate influence on government already and I don't like to see them buying their company-favorable government policy in advance. No, 'fraid I just don't trust that woman. Pity too, because as a graduate of a woman's college, I'd love to see a woman president (and Hilary went to a women's college as well) -- but not THAT woman. He may not be the most "sexy" candidate, but I like Edwards best for his position vis-a-vis corporate control of our world, though I'd like to see him more firmly against the war.

My opinion only, and there are worse candidates than Hilary -- but as a close friend of mine always says: The lesser of two evils is still evil.... "

" steve w and all posters to two cents--lets not let this forum devolve into a cut-n-paste mess where irrelevant nonsense and pleonastic posting is used to substitute for serious dialogue and honest contemplative thought, OK?
Bonehead--it is indeed a pleasure to know everything. Thank you. (sigh)
Farmer's Gal--I may write you in for Vice President to Hillary. Well spoken.
Andy B--a 20% "sorry" then....LOL!
"

" steve have a glass of wine and get a life...have a nice nite "

" So guess what nature lover? I can wiki google...

Main article: History of Google
Google began in January 1999, as a research project by Larry Page, who was soon joined by Sergey Brin, two Ph.D. students at Stanford University, California.[5] They hypothesized that a search engine that analyzed the relationships between websites would produce better ranking of results than existing techniques, which ranked results according to the number of times the search term appeared on a page.[6] Their search engine was originally nicknamed "BackRub" because the system checked backlinks to estimate a site's importance.[7] A small search engine called Rankdex was already exploring a similar strategy.[8]

Convinced that the pages with the most links to them from other highly relevant web pages must be the most relevant pages associated with the search, Page and Brin tested their thesis as part of their studies, and laid the foundation for their search engine. Originally, the search engine used the Stanford University website with the domain google.stanford.edu. The domain google.com was registered on September 15, 1997,[9] and the company was incorporated as Google Inc. on September 7, 1998 at a friend's garage in Menlo Park, California. The total initial investment raised for the new company eventually amounted to almost US$1.1 million, including a US$100,000 check by Andy Bechtolsheim, one of the founders of Sun Microsystems.[10]

The founders originally were keen to acquire the domain "Googol.com". It was registered to a local Silicon Valley engineer (Tim Beauchamp) who was using it as a site for math and astronomy. He did not want to relinquish the domain at the time.[11]

In March 1999, the company moved into offices in Palo Alto, home to several other noted Silicon Valley technology startups.[12] After quickly outgrowing two other sites, the company leased a complex of buildings in Mountain View at 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway from Silicon Graphics (SGI) in 2003.[13] The company has remained at this location ever since, and the complex has since come to be known as the Googleplex (a play on the word googolplex, a 1 followed by a googol zeros). In 2006, Google bought the property from SGI for US$319 million.[14]

The Google search engine attracted a loyal following among the growing number of Internet users, who liked its simple design and usability.[15] In 2000, Google began selling advertisements associated with search keywords.[5] The ads were text-based to maintain an uncluttered page design and to maximize page loading speed.[5] Keywords were sold based on a combination of price bid and clickthroughs, with bidding starting at US$.05 per click.[5] This model of selling keyword advertising was pioneered by Goto.com (later renamed Overture Services, before being acquired by Yahoo! and rebranded as Yahoo! Search Marketing).[16][17][18] While many of its dot-com rivals failed in the new Internet marketplace, Google quietly rose in stature while generating revenue.[5]

The name "Google" originated from a misspelling of "googol",[19][20] which refers to 10100, the number represented by a 1 followed by one-hundred zeros. Having found its way increasingly into everyday language, the verb "google", was added to the Merriam Webster Collegiate Dictionary and the Oxford English Dictionary in 2006, meaning "to use the Google search engine to obtain information on the Internet."[21][22]

A patent describing part of Google's ranking mechanism (PageRank) was granted on September 4, 2001.[23] The patent was officially assigned to Stanford University and lists Lawrence Page as the inventor.


Financing and initial public offering
The first funding for Google as a company was secured in the form of a US$100,000 contribution from Andy Bechtolsheim, co-founder of Sun Microsystems, given to a corporation which did not yet exist.[24] Around six months later, a much larger round of funding was announced, with the major investors being rival venture capital firms Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers and Sequoia Capital.[24]

Google's initial public offering took place on August 19, 2004. 19,605,052 shares were offered at a price of US$85 per share.[25][26] Of that, 14,142,135 (another mathematical reference as √2 ≈ 1.4142135) were floated by Google and 5,462,917 by selling stockholders. The sale raised US$1.67 billion, and gave Google a market capitalization of more than US$23 billion.[27] The vast majority of Google's 271 million shares remained under Google's control. Many of Google's employees became instant paper millionaires. Yahoo!, a competitor of Google, also benefited from the IPO because it owned 8.4 million shares of Google as of August 9, 2004, ten days before the IPO.[28]

Google's post-IPO stock performance has been very good as well, with shares hitting US$700 for the first time on October 31, 2007,[29] due to strong sales and earnings in the advertising market, as well as the release of new features such as the desktop search function and personalized home page.[30] The surge in stock price is fueled primarily by individual investors, as opposed to large institutional investors and mutual funds.[30]

The company is listed on the NASDAQ stock exchange under the ticker symbol GOOG and under the London Stock Exchange under the ticker symbol GGEA


Growth
While the company's primary business interest is in the web content arena, Google has begun experimenting with other markets, such as radio and print publications. On January 17, 2006, Google announced that its purchase of a radio advertising company "dMarc", which provides an automated system that allows companies to advertise on the radio.[31] This will allow Google to combine two niche advertising media—the Internet and radio—with Google's ability to laser-focus on the tastes of consumers. Google has also begun an experiment in selling advertisements from its advertisers in offline newspapers and magazines, with select advertisements in the Chicago Sun-Times.[32] They have been filling unsold space in the newspaper that would have normally been used for in-house advertisements.

Google was added to the S&P 500 index on March 30, 2006. It replaced Burlington Resources, a major oil producer based in Houston which was acquired by ConocoPhillips.


Philanthropy
In 2004, Google formed a non-profit philanthropic wing, Google.org, with a start-up fund of US$1 billion.[33] The express mission of the organization is to create awareness about climate change, global public health, and global poverty. One of its first projects is to develop a viable plug-in hybrid electric vehicle that can attain 100 mpg. The current director is Dr. Larry Brilliant.[34]


Acquisitions
See also: List of Google acquisitions
Since 2001, Google has acquired several small start-up companies, often consisting of innovative teams and products. One of the earlier companies that Google bought was Pyra Labs. They were the creators of Blogger, a weblog publishing platform, first launched in 1999. This acquisition led to many premium features becoming free. Pyra Labs was originally formed by Evan Williams, yet he left Google in 2004. In early 2006, Google acquired Upstartle, a company responsible for the online word processor, Writely. The technology in this product was used by Google to eventually create Google Docs & Spreadsheets.

In February 2006, software company Adaptive Path sold Measure Map, a weblog statistics application, to Google. Registration to the service has since been temporarily disabled. The last update regarding the future of Measure Map was made on April 6, 2006 and outlined many of the service's known issues.[35]

In late 2006, Google bought online video site YouTube for US$1.65 billion in stock.[36] Shortly after, on October 31, 2006, Google announced that it had also acquired JotSpot, a developer of wiki technology for collaborative Web sites.[37]

On April 13, 2007, Google reached an agreement to acquire DoubleClick. Google agreed to buy the company for US$3.1 billion.[38]

On July 9, 2007, Google announced that it had signed a definitive agreement to acquire enterprise messaging security and compliance company Postini.[39]


Partnerships
In 2005, Google entered into partnerships with other companies and government agencies to improve production and services. Google announced a partnership with NASA Ames Research Center to build up 1,000,000 square feet (93,000 m²) of offices and work on research projects involving large-scale data management, nanotechnology, distributed computing, and the entrepreneurial space industry.[40] Google also entered into a partnership with Sun Microsystems in October to help share and distribute each other's technologies.[41] The company entered into a partnership with Time Warner's AOL,[42] to enhance each other's video search services.

The same year, the company became a major financial investor of the new .mobi top-level domain for mobile devices, in conjunction with several other companies, including Microsoft, Nokia, and Ericcson among others.[43] In September 2007, Google launched, "Adsense for Mobile", a service for its publishing partners which provides the ability to monetize their mobile websites through the targeted placement of mobile text ads,[44] and acquired the mobile social networking site, Zingku.mobi, to "provide people worldwide with direct access to Google applications, and ultimately the information they want and need, right from their mobile devices."[45]

In 2006, Google and News Corp.'s Fox Interactive Media entered into a US$900 million agreement to provide search and advertising on the popular social networking site, MySpace.[46]

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" For all to educate themselves, I googled these terms to c exactly what all the name throwing is lol: Centrist – Just what it sounds like. Someone who doesn’t have any particularly strong ideological leanings in any direction.

Conservative – Specifically a "fusionist" conservative of the National Review - Heritage Foundation mold. Someone who believes in traditional morality and capitalism, and the need for a limited government to allow both to flourish.

Left-libertarian – The quiz uses a mild definition of a left-libertarian, an anti-statist who is somewhat fearful of corporate and religious influence on public life.

Liberal – Supports economic regulation to promote social justice and takes a progressive stance toward moral or cultural issues.

Libertarian – A libertarian opposes most or all government activites. Does not favor much or any government support for either moral or economic systems.

Neoconservative – A "neocon" is more inclined than other conservatives toward vigorous government in the service of the goals of traditional morality and pro-business policies. Tends to favor a very strong foreign policy of America as well.

Paleoconservative – "Paleocons" want less US involvement in foeign affairs than other conservatives and oppose mass immigration. They are also more favorably disposed toward the South and the idea of secession, or at least decentralization, than neoconservatives.

Paleo-libertarian – Similar to other libertarians except for oppostion to mass immigration, and shares the paleocon appreciation of the South.

Radical – Critical of bouregois morality and strongly opposed to capitalism and willing to use state power to achieve desired ends.

Third-way – More supportive of foreign intervention than liberals and less supportive of economic regulation, coupled with more-or-less progressive social views. "Third-way" is to liberal what neoconservative is to conservative.


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" locally skaneateles, syracuse, other states...el bone and Andy B what is a neocon, forgive my ignorance. "

" nature lover says- that kiosks are in other cities not just Auburn--where then? "

" It's funny how I get brought into your little rants about neocons when 20% of the time I agree with you. "

" Hey its FRYYY day - loosen up. "

" sorry you are old. kiosks are all over not just auburn. the walk keeps you limber. and if you are worried about getting tic b4 you actually get your dashboard tic, make a permanent sign to put in windshiild saying left yesterday to walk ALL the way over to kiosk to pay, will rtn in a few days. rotflmao...sorry "

" nature lover, what about us old fokes that have trouble getting in and out of cars? doesn't make sense to me. separate meters were just fine, now the lazy collector has to go to a few kiosks rather than all the meters? "

" Farmers Gal agreed w/me about what? the kiosks or the boat situation or both? "

" Karl or Carl- it must be a great feeling that you KNOW everything and you cant learn anything new "

" nature lover, I have to agreed with you. "

" OK, just trying to keep things straight. cm's husband was in Desert Storm, so neither Gulf of Tonkin nor the current situation (sorry about the really stupid (lazy) typo/mistake re: Republican Guard). So, she's just making an analogy with yet another situation she feels is similar.

I daresay the situation you describe, cm, is a common one for officers in any military -- what to decide to do, and when, if you are presented with a potentially dangerous situation but aren't sure of the enemy's actual intentions, weighing all the consequences, etc. Well, that's why they pay them the Big Bucks, I suppose. It's a very big and very serious responsibility. Add to that the pressure of what the media will do with your decision after the fact just to make it even more crucial you make the right choice. Understood.

But I don't think anyone here was criticizing the way our military handled the situation (this is assuming that either the incident occurred as portrayed at least to the military folks present at the time). Rather, we have learned -- with good reason -- not to trust either our government OR the media OR the military, and not because we are paranoid, but because we KNOW for an absolute 100% sure fact that all three have deliberately misled us more than once in the past, and in particular, in a case that on the surface looks very similar to this one -- the similarity Karl pointed out to us, to the Gulf of Tonkin incident that got us into the Vietnam War.

I think his point is valid, whether he's 100% correct or not.

You know what they say -- just because you're paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't following you. Our government and our military have a history of deceiving us and the media have a history of putting a spin on things to sell newspapers, or to bend public opinion in various directions depending on the views of the owners of any given media outlet. You really can't blame people for being highly skeptical.

Thank you, Citizen, for paragraphs! This excellent discussion would just not be manageable without them. "

" Chris, before we discuss the tin foil hat on my head, can we talk about the tin foil sombrero on yours? What is it about the Gulf of Tonkin's falsity that you can't follow? Oh right--it contradicts your "Hate Liberals more than I love America" agenda. You'd dispute the fact of your own nose if it weren't on your face, for the sake of blaming it's reflection in the mirror on "Liberals"--your penultimate straw man! No wonder the neocons have gotten away with it all these years with people like you in the voter's booth! "

" RE: The flipping headlines boxes.

The flipping boxes are supposed to freeze and allow you time to read the contents if you put your mouse over them. Once you take your mouse off the box, it will start flipping again after 5 seconds. This applies to the "Where to Next?" box on article pages, the "Navigation" box on section pages, and the flipping pictures on the front page.

Also, putting your mouse on the tabs should cause it to instantly flip to that tab.

If this isn't working for you, drop me a line: rich.bellamy@auburnpub.com

Watch for my Auburnpub Website Blog on Monday. "

" Chris van-Coulter, nice to see you finally found the website, nut sorry to see you still hate Liberals more tha you love your country.
What is it exactly that you dispute about the FACTS of G.o.T? It's a known FACT, Mr Coulter. Oh right--it doesn't fit with your hate-all-Liberals agenda. You would be funny if you weren't pathetic, Still.
A documented explosion is not the same as some long-distance video with overdubbed, moron-speak audio clumsily spliced into it--did you hear the alleged audio? Absolutely laughable--something like, "I come for YOU! You go BOOM!" --or something to that simplistic effect. That could only come from the mind of a neocon. Or you, Chris. Before you talk about my tin foil hat, Chris, remove the tin foil sombrero on thine own potato, buddy.
God, no wonder the neocons have gotten away with it these past 8 years, with gullible coots like you and Andy B in the voting booths! "

" "steve" if you get tha ticket you best pay it quickly before hey "boot" ya! "

" OMG is the kiosk situation THAT major of an issue to you? Havent you ever left Auburn in your horse and carrage and actually used a kiosk for parking that most others sities/areas have? Honestly Junior Samples, you will be ok walking to the kiosk w/o getting a ticket. geez "

" My take on this boat "incident" is part truth, part fabrication. The video does show some type of confrontation however, I really would like to know whose bright idea in this current administration of "boys will be boys" it was to inject an obvious not of the time audio? and teh tone of it. Where is the accountability? Honestly if issues werent so serious of what they could implicate, this would be a good belly laugh at a group of baffoons. "

" What if I get a ticket while walking to the Kiosk? "

" "Then Karl draws a parallel to the Naval incident reported a few days ago which the Iraqis claim was manufactured" Typo? It was the Republican Guard of Iran. Their elite, semi-independent top troops. Iran would love to take control of straight. That is the most important piece of water in the world. "

" yay another day of an unupdated two cents. blows my whole day. "

" Good lord. Gulf of Tonkin? Yep Karl, time for a new tin foil hat. In recent years we haven't had a US Navy vessel attacked by a small boat...oh snap!
There was this little incident in which 17 sailors were killed aboard the USS Cole while in port in Yemen. I guess in liberal fantasyland these things are just figments of people's imaginations beamed into their heads by the evil Neocon mind control rays. "

" the MIG incident was during Desert Storm-yet this wasn't public news and for sure not in the Navy dispatch papers.YET it did happened! Now they too did not know what this MIG was up to-had they rushed to conclusions and maybe bombed it out of the air before it possibly bombed them-the outcome would have differed in the news media. I agree the media plays on its news-many times it is very 1-sided. I can't say as to what I might do being under an extreme situation? Right now a soldier in fear for his life might shoot before seeing its a child/then again he may not shoot because its a child and this child is carrying a bomb? Every human reacts differently! Karl and I totally differ from opinions, I can agree to disagree but sometimes his total paranoia worries me-humans have daily agendas but not everyone is OUT TO GET YOU! "

" Like that you are attempting to modernize your website - however, the flipping between stories on the top of every page is too fast. I can't even read through the list of what's on the list before it is switching to the next list. Can you slow it down a little. "

" Nugent rode, not Nugent road -- how embarrassing. "

" Thank you Farmer's Gal, for taking he time to post all that. And a great point made about the "time period" issue concerning cm's claims of the MIG.
I truly believe that the Viet Nam-era neocons who are still re-fighting that war in their sodden skulls are 100% behind the manufacturing of the latest incident; hey, call me cynical. I just can't believe the media is not making more of it, of the link and similarities between the two incidents and their relevancy in terms of the same factors and conditions in the political landscapes of the two respective time periods. It seems as obvious as daylight to me! "

" Also, I think cm and Karl are reacting to each other again, rather than what each one has said.

Karl's original point, and he can correct me if I'm wrong because goodness knows that happens often enough, was that the Gulf of Tonkin affair that got us into the Vietnam War (what the Library of Congress calls the Vietnamese Conflict) was a made-up event. That's the baseline: Gulf of Tonkin Incident was manufactured. Known fact

"In 2005, it was revealed in an official NSA declassified report[2] that the first alleged attack, on the destroyer Maddox, was in fact carried out after the Maddox fired first. In 2008, another declassified NSA report[3] revealed that no attack happened on August 4." From Wikipedia.

Then Karl draws a parallel to the Naval incident reported a few days ago which the Iraqis claim was manufactured. (I am equally prepared to believe it was real or made up -- either is plausible). Karl blames Bush for manufacturing an incident similar to the Gulf of Tonkin.

I say this could be done either by: A) total fabrication or B) making a mountain out of a molehill for political purposes. There could easily be some small grain of truth in the reports which are being hyped to gain support for the current war. But that's my take.

Then cm has a comment on how her husband was on board a Naval craft when a Russian MiG flew over. She doesn't make clear if this happened in Vietnam long ago or in the Persian Gulf recently, but I would interpret her words to say she thinks Karl's words doubt the veracity of this incident.

The best response at this point would have been to ask cm for clarification -- did this MiG fly over during Vietnam, or during this recent incident? If in Vietnam, was it in the Gulf of Tonkin on 2 or 4 August 1964?

But Karl and cm often react hotly to things the other says, so Karl calls cm uneducated -- which was an unfair swipe at her, imho, esp. since her message was "brief and cryptic" -- i.e. the info wasn't clear. To his credit, Karl does offer apologies in advance if he's wrong and I hope he wasn't just being facetious.

But this is how things break down in online communications (might be even worse in real time with no space for reflection and think-before-you-speak).

But to get to the bottom of the incident -- probably would take more time than I have for it to dig up the absolute best authorities, but it is fair to question Wikipedia as the be-all-end-all authority. So I'll offer you this to support the Wikipedia info from the National Security Archive at George Washington University:

"Washington, D.C., 4 August 2004 - Forty years ago today, President Johnson and top U.S. officials chose to believe that North Vietnam had just attacked U.S. destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin, even though the highly classified signals intercepts they cited to each other actually described a naval clash two days earlier (a battle prompted by covert U.S. attacks on North Vietnam), according to the declassified intercepts, Johnson White House tapes, and related documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University. "

Read as much of the whole document as you want at: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/index.htm

So, it is entirely possible that cm's husband was on a boat in the Gulf of Tonkin on the 2nd of August when a Russian MiG flew over and was TOLD the North Vietnamese were the initiators of the incident, when it comes out many years later that it was actually covert US operations that prompted the Vietnamese attack. Her husband would not have known that unless he had been in on covert ops and may to this day feel uncomfortable thinking his own government got him into a battle he need not have been in. We cannot blame him for that.

I believed for years that Ted Nugent had gone to my high school. I believed it firmly because I had a teacher who had been there when Nugent road his motorcycle through the halls and was thrown out of the school. Last fall at my reunion, my now-elderly high school teacher was there and I asked him about the incident. The incident happened and was real, but Nugent was there with other members of his band, one of whom may have attended my high school, to give a concert -- I had just misinterpreted what I had been told and believed it in this skewed fashion all these years.

Likewise, cm's husband has surely been saying to himself, I was there, and I saw that MiG fly over and we hadn't done anything to provoke them. And he would be right. But that doesn't mean that the Vietnamese, in turn, weren't first provoked by American undercover ops, only just revealed in the past few years.

And because our government has been known to do things like this, it is not at all unreasonable for Karl to doubt the veracity of recent events. We may never know, or we may not know for 40 years, as with the Gulf of Tonkin, but it is not at all out of the realm of possibility.

I just think we'll get further along the road of understanding if these differing opinions can be debated without calling names and getting snorky with each other. Play nice!

OK, off my soapbox. "

" The Surge has been working since this summer. "

" But they CAN carefully choose WHEN to begin a new offensive, for example, and they can and DO take care to play these games with the lives of our American young people, making decisions based on how good will it look to the public during a key moment in the election year, not according to what's really good for our people. "

" cm, I don't think Republicans are the only ones who do such things, not at all. Republicans and Democrats -- Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee: The American public can't trust any of them. "

" I don't see how you can just think the republicans can "whip up stuff" during an election when in fact all parties DO IT--wasn't it just Hillarys "error" to leak Obamas past records? They ALL do it-and worse they do it to each other! Basically that informs me they are childish with the need to throw stones-I don't want a BABY aiding in the countries overall decisions! The second they start doing throwing the "digs of the long-ago-past" I automatically dismiss them from my VOTE! "

" I would rather get my facts from the military personal onboard the 3 ships than from another "unauthorized biography" from Andrew Morton family!Which seems to be how you like your "news/facts" to come from! "

" You can't tell me all this sudden flurry of activity and "the surge is working" stuff isn't carefully timed and calculated to help Republican candidates in the primaries. Makes me think of "Wag the Dog." "

" cm, if that was a post (about the Russian MIG) directed toward my comment about the facts concerning the G.o.T. incident, it's as uneducated as it is brief and cryptic. Please, for your own understanding of the issue, please research it yourself. It was faked. Period. That's not my "opinion", that's absolute, admitted, documented fact. Please, if you intended to cast aspersions on me for stating it, please educate yourself. If not--my apologies. "

" Hey Karla, for National news, check out CNN. Or maybe you prefer the slant at the fair and balanced Fox. Anyway, i would prefer more local news from our local paper. "

" What doesn't Auburn sell a yearly/monthly/weekly parking passes? This way one doesn't have to walk to a kiosk, you just keep it in your car!!??? "

" I suppose you want to tell my hubby that a Rusian MIG didn't fly over his ship while he was in the Navy too--I guess 300 sailors must all be liars! "

" Jim--LOL! I like plum wine, after a nice sushi dinner. Man, I just see elephants after a few glasses of that stuff!
Andy B--you're correct, of course--but to get a reason to actually enter the war, the G.o.T. incident was completely manufactured out of thin air. "

" Ya, I hear ya Nature Lover.

On another note, how come the citizen has reported anything on the new anerobic digester project concerning area farms and BOCES. I think its a great story that should be pushed. Things like this are what is going to save this region. "

" There are plenty of reasons we fought in Vietnam. The South Viatmese(sp) asked/begged us first and more importantly it was part of our cold war with the Soviets. The Soviets armed, trained and (many sources say fought for) "Uncle Ho" to eventually create another puppet state for the USSR monster. "

" LOL Karl. What sort of wine do you like Karl? Red wine? White wine? Sweet wine? While we're at it the word religion is not capitalized when used in that way. Bone's post has to qualify for the illiterate post of the day. "

" LOL, I was wondering the same thing about all the kiosk complaints. I guess change regardless if good makes folks go on about it and how terrible it will be. Having been a trainer, I have found the majority of people are very resentful to learning new things. "

" Hey bone, I'll give you a "brake"--would you like a hand brake, or a foot-brake? Hydraulic or steam operated? Cable or pedal? Get a dictionary!
Anyhoo--all of America should be concerned, you bone-head,; did you ever hear of Viet Nam? Some 58,000 Americans died there as a result of a LIE, a manufactured excuse to go to war! Hmmm...sound familiar? Bonehead??? "

" Karl does nothing but wine about Religion and Bush---give me a brake--get a life "

" The parking kiosk system works fine in Downtown Syracuse. Why would you lock your car to walk 20 feet to the kiosk? Some of the statements on here are pretty funny.
"

" Hey karl, I heard that Bush was in one of the attack boats that threatened the Navy. I bet Cheney was in the other... "

" Anybody see how Bush is now trying to manufacture another "Gulf of Tonkin incident" in the Persian Gulf to get an excuse to attack Iran? This madman has to be stopped! I hope the news organizations hold a critical eye to it! "

" HEY EDITORS! Where might I find the national news stories? I miss that feature from the old web page--you used to have it right on the front page--surely there's room for it here as well? "