We can't give up liberty in a war on terror

Saturday, December 8, 2007 11:46 PM EST

President Bush (King George) and the Republicans are using the war on terror as an excuse to erode our civil liberties, our freedoms and our rights. They say we must give up our liberties to be safe. The American people should remember the words of its 16th president who said, “He who gives up liberty for security, deserves neither, and will lose both. You will become the victim of the first cunning tyrant who rises from among you.”
As for these new un-American laws the Republicans have forced through Congress I say: summum ius, summa iniuria (The extreme law is the greatest injustice. -- Cicero); and verbum sat sapient (A word to the wise is enough).

Ronnie Kelley

Syracuse

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AJ wrote on Dec 11, 2007 1:56 PM:

" Karl, can you imagine what the framers of the constitutions would think about these people? They knew what tyranny was and how it can easily come about. The clueless amongst us like CV Coulter obviously are oblivious to the dangers we REALLY face. History is not one of their strong suits, nor awareness, logic or reasoning, to say the least! "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."-Sinclair Lewis "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 "

AJ wrote on Dec 11, 2007 1:20 PM:

" CVN, every time you type you continue to show how stupid you are. Yes indeed, we WERE talking about the Patriot act, in answer to your question. But since you never read it, you can't possibly understand it. I wasn't changing the subject at all, but you are too dense to know this. "

karl L wrote on Dec 11, 2007 11:04 AM:

" Aj, don't even bother with Mr Coulter there(CVN)...I mean, really; how can you even take him seriously! He has no understanding of the dangers of tyranny and consolidation and abuse of power; he's just SKEERED, and as long as Daddy Bush will promise to "protect" him, he'll give his first-born to make sure "Liberals" are never given credit for having been 100% right about Bush these looooong past 7 years. "

chris van note wrote on Dec 11, 2007 10:37 AM:

" Again, AJ why don't you site some specific examples on how the 4th Amendment has been abused? What you stated is your opinion, not facts and you used the typical liberal tactic of changing the subject. We weren't talking about the Patriot Act now were we? So, you are repressed? You can't state your opinions freely or protest or speak your mind? Really? "

AJ wrote on Dec 11, 2007 10:21 AM:

" CVN, again as usual, your ignorance shows no bounds. You haven't read any of the "Patriot" Act have you? I suggest you do. Wherever the ammendment is violated, no one is be at liberty to discuss it. Kind of the nature of a repressive state. CVN, I'm through discussing anything with you cause you're so dense, it's pointless. "

chris van note wrote on Dec 11, 2007 9:14 AM:

" Seems to me Amendment IV is still on the books and still enforced. If listening in on people with links to terrorist organizations is a bad thing to you, you need to get your head examined. Do you have any examples of abuse of Amendment IV that you can site? Remember: Emotions do not equal facts. Are you and Karl related? Everytime some anti-American/anti-Bush video comes out, you guys are extolling its virtues-as long as it makes the US or the GOP look bad, facts are secondary (fake but accurate is good enough). After I watch the uber liberal BBC video, I'll run right out and get "Loose Change", "Sicko", "An Inconvenient Truth" and "Farenheight 9/11" so I can have an opinion too. "

AJ wrote on Dec 10, 2007 7:29 PM:

" Coach, why aren't YOU in Iraq to save us "librial" crybabies from the "evildoers" that you're so worried about? "

AJ wrote on Dec 10, 2007 7:26 PM:

" Me too Karl. I'm so scared, it's "scary"! Thanks God we have our saviour King George. He'll save the day. Still wondering where Osama is though. Oh that's right, he was a CIA guy. Not to worry... Ignorant people can be so gullible. That, to me, is what is really frightening! "

karl L wrote on Dec 10, 2007 7:01 PM:

" OOOOH I'm so SKEERED of the BAD Mr Terrorist! OOOOH! Save me Mr President! Save me from the BAD MEN! LOL!...give me a break! pffffffft! "

Dan W wrote on Dec 10, 2007 6:58 PM:

" I do not watch TV so assuming I watch Fox news is false. The BBC is ran by the British goverment. I would find that as good as a source for news as, MSNBC "

AJ wrote on Dec 10, 2007 5:41 PM:

" Something for you "Faux" Newsers to think about. Your buddy Rupert Murdoch has been bankrolling your friend Hillary Clinton, in case you weren't aware! "

AJ wrote on Dec 10, 2007 5:19 PM:

" Dan W, this was a BBC production. And frankly, many of the videos that I have seen that are home produced rival anything I've seen in the corporate TV world, better, in fact, since they're not afraid to show reality. You really ought to expand your horizons beyond Faux News. It amazes me that you have yet to figure out what a scam that network is and still buy into their BS. "

coach7811 wrote on Dec 10, 2007 5:11 PM:

" Chris its nice to see someone knows whats going on in the world.9/11 was just a video????How quick we all forget.Freedom is not really FREE>.Someone has to make the ultimate sacrafice,so all you librial crybabies can complain. "

Dan W wrote on Dec 10, 2007 5:07 PM:

" Anybody can make and post a video on you tube. I wouldn't call it a valid source of infomation. "

AJ wrote on Dec 10, 2007 4:55 PM:

" Yes Chris, I can. "Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." It WAS YOUR right as well, but not any more. Any more questions? "

AJ wrote on Dec 10, 2007 4:42 PM:

" RD, CVN, you could also read Webster Tarpley's "Synthetic Terror" if you want to get a clue. Or any number of books by ex CIA agents that spill the beans. But given your obvious tv driven short attention spans, I thought perhaps the video might work better for you. "

AJ wrote on Dec 10, 2007 4:38 PM:

" rd, cvn, your ignorance never fails to astound me. Watch the video and then we'll talk. "

chris van note wrote on Dec 10, 2007 12:49 PM:

" I'd like to know specifically which of your rights have been usurped? Can you name at least one? Yep, the WOT is false. No Islamic terrorists to see here, just move along. 9/11 was an inside job right? 7/7 in the UK, the train bombing is Spain, the bombing of the USS Cole, the WTC bombing in 1993, the myriad of US embassy bombings, the murder of countless Buddhists and Christains in Indonesia and I could go on and on...all inside jobs perpetrated by the US of A folks, just ask your local "realty based" liberals like Karl or Murray. Maybe they'd be happier living under Islamic Sharia law? "

rd wrote on Dec 10, 2007 11:59 AM:

" a.j. You are correct, there is no war on terror but it is a war against Islamic extremist that will protect your right to voice your ignorant views. "

karl L wrote on Dec 10, 2007 1:25 AM:

" Hillbillly--you're STILL skeered? And what are ou doing looking at nudie pictures of kids on the net? What would Murray Lynch say?! "

AJ wrote on Dec 9, 2007 1:38 PM:

" Not only that Ronnie, but the "war on terror" is a fraud. Aside from the fact that you cannot wage war on a tactic, the threat is vastly overstated if real at all. I urge everyone to view the three part series by Adam Curtis which aired on the BBC called "The Power of Nightmares". If after watcing this video you still believe that the "war on terror" is real, then there may be no hope for you. Here is a link... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=881321004838285177 "

hillbilly wrote on Dec 9, 2007 1:03 PM:

" So what civil right have you lost and that you have been violated with. I, can't say I've been violated at all. The terrorist who's phone call comes through the USA might have a complaint. In todays world I will take the safety factor first. Besides with the information age going on, we are violated more by store and businesses who sell our information and by the ID thieves than we are by the government. Last, think about the young generation today, instead of looking for privacy they post their information on the web to include at times nude photos of themselves. The one civil right we all have but, many fail to exercise is our right to vote. So if you feel that your truly being violated then exercise your right to vote and change those in charge. Just be an informed voter and don't vote for XXXXXX just because someone else says so. And just think since King George can't run again the rights he is asking for and received will be passed to our next president. Who might be Queen Hillary. "

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