" Bushie is now taking the heat off his back for killing Iraqis and US troops and is now going for low income children with his veto of the child health bill. One day's invoice for Blackwater's sevices could have paid for the whole program. "

" Karl, yes I truly do believe the left is heavily invested in the US losing in Iraq and the general war on terror. It seems to me that the BDS liberals feel that we deserve to lose to teach us a lesson of humility. They want to shout "I told you so". We will win despite the Democrats/Liberals best efforts to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory/progress. Wars never go as planned. I could go on about all the blunders that were made on boths sides of every war from the beginning of time. Here's a couple of questions Karl: Why do we still have American forces in the Balkans? Slobodan Milosivec is dead. When will you declare victory in Clinton's War On Serbia and demand we get our troops out? "

" Dan W, for once I agree with you --Pelosi and Reed should BOTH be impeached for being gutless cowards who care more about their stupid careers than doing everything possible to end this war! I skeeve them as much as the Republicans! "

" "There are "liberals" fighting and dying in iraq too." That I really doubt, its funny when the election was real close in Florida. The democracts tried to get the ballets tossed out by the service men and women. That was mailed in. Why, 99.999 percent of the solders are not liberal. My sons friend that is the Army. His platoon wanted to turn their backs to the commander in heat. I mean Clinton, it was a typo. When he spoke at Fort Drum. Any body should be impeached, its Polisi and Reid. "

" Chris, citing an anecdotal quip from a victorious Vietnamese general only proves the desperation of guys like you to somehow psychologically redeem the Military's honor by re-fighting the same war by proxy and hoping against reality to come out with different results. Anyway, that was a surprisingly weak/tepid post for you. Chris, I have to ask you in ALL SERIOUSNESS, without a trace of sarcasm, ridicule or vitriol--honestly, how long can you keep making statement like "we will be successful no matter how badly you want us to lose"?!?! Chris, seriously--can you honestly believe that I have something invested in "wanting us to lose"?!?! Can you honestly believe ANYONE WANTS our boys to lose? You are SADLY MISTAKEN AND MISLEAD by your right-wing demagogues. There are "liberals" fighting and dying in iraq too, Chris! What "the Left" wants to see is to see "the Right" admit and recognize the utter failure of a strategy-that-was-not-a-strategy, of a "war football" fumbled and jostled from the VERY START! It's like they went into this game saying "Well the Insurgents have no ground game, no passing game, and only will run the quarterback sneak"--and it's 4th quarter, HOME TEAM DOWN BY 49, 4th-down-and 65 at the US's own 3-yard-line, and you and your cheerleaders are still waving your red "terrible towels" AND SAYING "WHAT A GREAT GAME PLAN!" I mean, really--at what point do you concede the reality of the fact that this war IS lost, and that the only things it's accomplishing is killing and maiming more sons and daughters, and enriching all the scumbag war profiteers at the cost of THREE BILLION A WEEK?!?! You DID see that piece about one of Bush's oilman buddies pleading guilty to trying to set up ilegal oil transactions in the oil-for-food program, right? I guess you think he's the only one huh? Chris, I say this with the utmost sincerity and charity: please, snap out of it. Get a grip on what is really happening out there, and take a break from all the right-wing punditry and talking heads who make you feel better by telling you soothing lies and slandering "the Left", You're just out-of-touch with reality--and I say that in the nicest way. "

" Chris, you know karls only reading the "enquirer" to see how his leather vest is rated in the polls. "

" Actually, I only want GWB to let the military, CIA, FBI, NSA, etc... do their jobs and thankfully he has (with no help from the left of course). As far as Iraq producing more terrorists, that I don't know but its much easier to go from Syria/Iran/Saudi Arabia to Iraq than it is to get to the US. BTW, we are killing/capturing them in great numbers and we will be succesful, no matter how badly you wish us to lose. On that note: The Wall Street Journal carried an interview with former North Vietnamese Colonel Bui Tin, a member of the North Vietnamese general staff. Col Tin was asked, "Was the American anti-war movement important to Hanoi's victory?" He responded, "It was essential to our strategy, Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9:00 AM to follow the growth of the American anti-war movement." Sound Familiar? "

" Chris, who's acting like a scared little child? WHo's expecting "Daddy Bush" to "save us from the 'terrorists' Daddy!" Look in the mirror...time to put down Ann Coulter's latest book and start reading a newspaper... "

" God, hillbilly have you bought the whole "swampland in Arizona" thing, haven't ya?! How can your fingers even type "with a President like George Bush you can sleep easy tonight" without your fingers breaking themselves in half from typing such a warped, twisted statement?! I guess you missed the reports from like, EVERYONE, that the Iraq war has produced a breeding ground for terrorists, made the world and the safety of America MARKEDLY WORSE, and given Osama EXACTLY what he wanted in a war that is guaranteed to produce "martyrs" for years to come???!!!? Geez, honestly; I am EXASPERATED and BLOWN AWAY at the sheer WORLD OF ILLUSIONS that you and Chris live in! U-N-B-E-L-I-E-V-A-B-L-E!!!!!! "

" MOVE-ON.org's ad was entirely justified and correct. Betrayus used doctored facts, plain and simple. When he stated that casualties were down, he failed to report that it was because they doctored the report by NOT counting MASS CASUALTIES from suicide bombings! When he reported that civilian deaths being down, he failed to mention that many cities in Iraq has been ethnically/religiously cleansed already! If you want to blame anyone for that whole debacle of lies, BLAME BUSH, who didn't balk at using a CIVILIAN military man as a POLITICAL PAWN! The general lacked the courage and integrity to STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH! He was more interested in saving his a$$ his military career!! "

" Oh Karl, everyone here knows your train has already pulled into the Land of Make Believe station. Guys like Murray and Karl focus on hating Bush and act like whiny, spoiled, angry children who expect daddy to make everything better immediately or else they won't like it. I guess its easier to blame everything on Bush then to ever have to act like mature adults and cope with reality in a mature fashion. Its time to take the Kerry/Edwards stickers off... "

" Geee Murray, the Pope said Hitler was ok before WWII, too. And no one challenged him. How many people died in that war? As for "Shock and Awe" the U.S. Military rolled over the Iraqis Military in days. Again with very low casualties. The tens of thousands you count were mostly caused by the insurgents and terrorist who targeted civilians. Not by our military. As for the weapons of mass destruction? Since Saddam did use chemical weapons on his own people and he refused inspections by the UN where are those weapons? Did they move them to friendly nations (Seria maybe?) they did find some chemical shells you know. But of course it was not reported by the main street media. This would not help their political stance against the war. Remember the months of political negotiations we had before the war and all the reports from several different countries to include the French, Germans, English and Russians stating that Saddam did have weapons of mass destruction and was trying to get nukes too. Oh, you forgot about that! How about all the UN directives that Saddam violated since the end of the first Gulf War? Maybe these are reasons we went into Iraq too. And yes freshly off being attacked by Al-Quita Americans wanted action. It was time to stop talking to terrorist nations and to take action. Something I am sure a Democratic President would be to chicken to do today (Move-On dot org would not stand for it.) Abu Girab, yes American soldiers did violate the law and they are now in prison for it. However, Murtha claims Marines committed murder, which has been proven untrue and he will not even admit his mis-speaking of the truth. Pat Tillman wasn't in Iraq he died in Afganistan. But a blunder? I dought it. It's not likely that President Bush had any plans to kill any American just to cover it up. Confusion in a time of war is normal, yes it happens. And with your attitude WWII should have been a great disappointment to us American with all the scandals and blunders during that war. Gee, Europe is at peace, Germany is even reunited, but hey what an unhappy ending. If you learn anything about life Mr. Lynch it might be it takes time. Give the Middle East and Iraq 50 years, that's right 50 years , were still in Germany. And you may be praising Bush and Cheney for their foresight and not sitting on their hands when action needed to be taken. What really bothers me are people like you who can only complain, example ex-vice President Gore, when he calls President Bush a traitor to this country on national TV. To bad the groups like move-on and people like you believe President Bush is worse that the terrorist who would kill them. Just ask Rosie, the terrorist agree with her 100% and want to make her their spokesperson. Your right MR. Lynch war is hell and I just hope that the terrorist don't get the chance to bring it to your neighbor hood. With a President like George W. Bush you can breath easy tonight. But, after our next election we may again have to look skyward. Good night Mr. Lynch and pray for our soldiers as they fight for your right to be free. "

" Oh GAAAAAWWWD, Chris--where do I start?!?! No. You know what--I just don't have the energy today to argue with a man who gets his "facts" from Ann Coulter and Faux News. If you don't think we've lost this war, then you're far beyond the reach of any logic or reason! "

" I don't know, Chris... you stated irrefutable facts, might not sit well with the left faction here. On a sort of related side note, does anybody else find it incredibly funny that the democrats are being held hostage by a website? :) "

" Where to start with Murray's liberal garbage. Point 1: Listening to the Pope for military stratagy...need I say more. Point 2: Shock and awe destroyed the Iraqi military in short order, we have gone out of our way not to harm civilians. Of course, no mention of the terrorists using civilians as shields then exploiting their deaths. Point 3: Given Hussein's history with WMDs...Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, CIA, NSA, British Intelligence and on and on all beleived he had them. Hard to verify when Hussein kicked out the inspectors, but I guess we should have just trusted his word. Point 4: A handful of troops and their commanders disobeying the rules. They were punished for their actions. Point 5: The Army lied about Tillman. I fail to see what this has to do with Bush. Unlike Murray, Harry Ried, Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the Democratic liberals, I don't think we've lost. Unlike them, I don't root for defeat just because I don't agree with the other party (Party over country). The idiot liberals unanimously voted for a new general to implement a new plan for Iraq success then promptly voted to stab the new general in the back with funding cuts and supported the Moveon ad bashing a man with 30 years of military service. Liberals will give terrorists any leeway possible so as not to appear aggressive or militant. In my opinion, liberals are invested in the defeat of America. "

" Fair enough. What's your solution? "