" BTW, cm--you know WHY 80% of he world still believes in God? Because their parents, and their parents before them, and their parents before them all taught them that that's "what you do" And they also taught them the fear of what would allegedly happen to you if you didn't! They--and you--are all sadly trapped ny both their ignorance and fear. Do some research, cm. You'd be surprised at what's out here for you to find! Read an introductory book to Atheism--I DARE YOU! (you probably can't even consider the idea!) And see if you can dispute the logic and total destruction of the "argument for God". "

" Boy, cm, I only wish the Citizen didn't have guidelines, so I could tell you in the "proper terms" what an ignorant, misinformed, horible judge-of-character and proud imbecile you really are. You have also just proven-PROVEN!!!--to me with your last regurgitation of offal that YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE AND A FOOL!!! George Bush HIMSELF SAID that "the Almighty" told him to go to war!!! And did you even bother to pay attention to the polls that said that Americans did NOT want to go to war in Iraq by almost two-to-one?! Copying law enforcement? Yeah, like if a couple SWAT teams go into an apartment complex and shoot ALL the occupants because ONE thug MIGHT'VE run in there! YOU ARE A FOOOOOOL, cm!!!!!You would vote for him again? What a sorry imbecile you are! You would visit all the suffering upon the mothers, fathers, wifes, husbands, and children of all those slain on both sides? You would spend yours and my children's' inheritances on war profiteering? You would spend THREE BILLION A WEEK on this damned, bloody war? YOU"RE AN IGNORANT FOOL, cm! But having said this--I can finally understand and see what "qualities" you saw in Bush, and why you voted for him, you twit, BECAUSE YOU AND HE ARE OF LIKE MINDS--ONE AND THE SAME!!!! That's right--you admire Bush because, like you, neither one of you can admit that they're WRONG, that they don't know what they think they know, that they should reconsider their wrongly-held assumptions and judgment. You know, I almost wish that you told me that you voted FOR religious reasons; at least then I could understand HOW you were misguided! But to read what you just wrote sickens me to my core! You're one of the idiots to blame for the country being in the freefall it's in today! YOU HAVE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS for supporting and re-electing this delusional, arrogant and murderous $&%T-for-brains that you call your president! I don't ever want to see you complaining or lecturing or telling ANYBODY what could be done better in your smug, self-righteous manner, because you, ma'am ARE RESPONSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

" When I vote--and I do vote--I weigh the opponents. I have voted for those that disagree on some issues that I agree on. Since every person is different-I cannot expect those to feel exactly like I do, on every issue. I did vote for Bush and I would do it again, and not because of my being semi-catholic But because of the other qualities he offered were better than those running for office at that time. He didnt go to war because GOD told him-he went to war because that is what the Americans wanted for 9-11. That is what his advisors/NATO agreed to do--USA stand your ground not let this crap happen on our land! Like a drug bust going on--one has to start small in order to get the big guys. Bush simply copied what our own law enforcement does daily. Sadly we will loose some soldiers, soldiers who CHOOSE their jobs just like any police officer who didnt ask to knock on a door for a domestic and get shot in the head! The world will mourn for these brave souls but also honor them for their great sacrifice! That is my opinion and I approve this message! "

" BEING RACIST does not mean it's just against color of skin. the word equals discrimination: 3 a : the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually b : prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment As you are against the "in-your-face Christian" You are the "in-your-face-NON-Christian! Many of a scientist or inventor believed in their goal-I am sure no one in the 1800's thought there would be such a thing as a microwave today-but ONE person did and viola its on every kitchen counter! Many astronomers were laughed at then too but we have men in space! So you go on and ridicule, continue to judge the 80% of the world that believes in A GOD of some sort, a hundred years from now our families can read this on GOOGLE or YOU TUBE as they walk along side of their GOD! "

" cm, it looks like I'M going to have to do "the Christian thing" and educate you because, even with a dictionary in hand, you lack the acumen to understand what you're reading--not surprising for probably a home-schooled fundamentalist. Listen up OK? "Racism" involves prejudice against "RACE". ie, African-Americans, Hispanics, Caucasians, etc, who have traits determined BY GENETICS that THEY HAVE NOT CHOSEN AND CANNOT CHANGE. GOT THAT?!?! OK. Second--"prejudice"-defined as "any unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought or reason"--WRONG ONCE AGAIN cm! I do not rail against Religion "formed beforehand without thought, knowledge or reason"! I was raised and educated "Catholic", and have studied extensively on Religion and History. You know, cm, my parents are STILL church-going Catholics! I AM NOT AGAINST THE RANK-AND-FILE RELIGIOUS PERSON! I AM against the proselytizing, in-your-face Christian who self-righteously tells you you're giong to hell if you don't "love Jesus and accept him as your personal savior". I am against those who force their kids to wear signs and stand on corners, and burden them with psychological problems like guilt, self-denigration and sexual hang-ups that impede their abilities to love and let love. I have been studying Religion for over 10 years now, cm, and the things I have learned would enrage you as well. Look at what the Religious Right has done to this country, and worse yet, their cocksure Leader, George Bush. Hey, why listen to the American people, the Generals, Congress, or anyone at all when "God" told you to go to war?!?! Why look at facts and figures andd flag-draped coffins--all you need is prayer and faith right?! IT IS MADNESS, cm, MADNESS!!! And you know who voted this idiot in FOR A SECOND TIME???? Evangelicals. Right-wing Conservatives. RELIGIOUS PEOPLE!!! ALL because of their fear and their finger-wagging hypocritical leaders and their manipulated Religious beliefs! Trained to think and act and VOTE LIKE SHEEP! I'm trying to urge people to WAKE UP! QUESTION WHAT YOU"VE BEEN TOLD! DEMAND PROOF! USE YOUR OWN LOGIC AND BRAIN!! DO you REALLY think it's so simple as just "hating Religion"??? !!!Do you really think I just have nothing better to do?!?! There is a BIGGER PICTURE--and it's clear that you just don't see it! Your scope here is so small, so "convenient"! Easy to try to pin me as a "racist" (??!!) without understanding what I'm fighting for, cm. I'm fighting for the RIGHTS that the most fanatical and Fundamentalist "christians" would gladly take away given half a chance! If you think I'm nuts, then you just obviously have NOT DONE YOUR HOMEWORK!!!! "

" Dan I do agree--if you dont like what you hear then tune it out..BUT to preach your beliefs and push them onto others is what karl says he does to "rock his world"..I personally dont care who believes in what GOD-if they choose to say a prayer during a sports game or graduation that should be their right. I dont like RAP music but as I drive down the streets and listen to "thump thump-your mama" I dont do road rage--I tune it out which is hard to do these days. I dont like saggy pants! But my son wears them--he also knows not to be too close to me when he does--since I have dropped them to the floor in a mall--I figure if one wants to show off their underwear then just take your pants off and show them! But since I dont pay for his wardrobe and he's 22, he works, and doesnt live at home, I cant enforce the clothes he buys.BUT he knows to wear a good belt around me! My children were baptized Catholic-my daughter re-bapitzed herself Christian-do they go to church? NO, but they have RESPECT when their grand-father/or anyone else says a prayer before dinner, whether we are home or in a restaurant. Basically it comes down to I can respect karl for not believing--but he CANT respect those that do. "

" Main Entry: rac·ism 1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination KARL YOU DO HAVE RACISM AGAINST RELIGION/ANYONE THAT BELIEVES IN ANY TYPE OF GOD! "

" Every day there's something that people are fighting for or against , so these things are in our record. All you need is in yourself. I believe people make their own heaven and their own hell. It's up to you to choose." Karl Logan - 2002 Chill you have your beliefs others have theirs. To each their own, I never judge people. If I don't like what they have to say or their beliefs are. I just ignore them or ask them to go away. I saw that you was called "racist" I have to say its wrong. More like full of negitivity, correct my spelling if you so wish to do so. Having someone preach on a street corner. Is on the level of a person that cut into a parking spot. Right in front of you. Is it worth the anger? I know people that are true blue Christains. To one that is a true blue wiccian. They are all my friends. Amazing what tolerance will do for the mind. "

" cm, sorry to intrude so rudely on your self-deception (no matter how precious it is to you!) but please invest in a dictionary so that you may learn the definition of "Racism". How can I take you seriously when you can't even frame a simple word like that in an argument? BTW, your "argument" is a perfect--PERFECT!!!-- example of contradictory illogic--yes, we CAN (and Scientists DID) prove the existence of dinosaurs, Egyptian tombs, and especially Space (ancient peoples were prolific astronomers!) and the reason that we know of them now is BECAUSE THEY LEFT EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE! They CAN be tested, or in the case of Space, PREDICTED! (Comets, eclipses, etc) Your "argument" has been demolished by "REASON"--of which "Faith" is a pitiful and poor substitute! SHOW ME ONE--ONE!--"PROOF" of your God and I WILL BELIEVE--because that's the way an atheist mind works! On the other hand, I could throw a dozen Proofs of the illogical basis' of your Faith and belief in the Supernatural--stuff from first year Philosophy class--and you STILL would hold onto your silly "Faith"!!! If self-deception is supposed to be some panacea against the unpleasantries of Life, I'd much rather be a grown-up and confront life as it happens! "

" Sorry karl but having freedom of religion IS NOT a human fault! having a racist of religion-like you--IS a human fault! I am not asking you to believe what i believe BUT to be calling others that beleive in any GOD ignorant is RACIST! I may not be able to prove in this lifetime that God exists--just as the scientists couldnt prove dinosaurs, or space, or egypt tombs hundreds of years ago..But as we now see and learn they DID exist. "

" cm, the HUMAN FAULTS that I'm trying to correct are the ridiculous rationalizations like yours that keep you mired in your ignorance "THe young one has already learned all her life's lessons but the arsonist needs to suffer more on this earth"??? Boy, have you bought the bridge, haven't you??!! Great!--let's just kill all the children then before they turn into arsonists!!!! What ridiculous, irrational, apologetical NONSENSE! Makes ya feel better, I'll bet though, to sooth your heart with such patsy cornflakes! Ya know what cm? If you can PROVE to me the existence of "God", then I'd be the FIRST ONE to admit his existence, but until you give me more than just intuition, blind hope and dogma, I'll take a rational mind over a delusion ANY DAY! "

" PS..We also have free will-that gives us the right to question our faith at times-when horrible incidents happen we always ask WHY-that is HUMAN! Why does someone so young DIE in a horrific fire and the person that started it live? Well the young one has allready learned her lifes lessons but the arsonist needs to suffer more on this earth! In your belief's --HUMANS fault--which is also true. So instead of constantly being so racist and BTing online why arent you out on Labor DAY attempting to STOP HUMAN faults!???? "

" Sorry but Mother Teresa's Body may be in the ground but her SOUL is in heaven! In this country we have the freedom of religion-if you don't like or disbelieve in anyone's GOD-then put on sunglasses or headphones! I was raised catholic but however I do not agree with all catholic beliefs-but I DO believe in GOD! I do not need to see or physically touch something-but I can feel in heart in my faith that there is bigger than us out there. As I recently read on the net, I don't believe in Santa but I am NOT going to SUE everyone that says HO-HO-HO!! "

" cm, your question "Don't you have anything better to do this Labor Day weekend" is exactly the type of malaise that the Religious Right counts on to push their agenda--you can bet THEY are not sleeping late today! THIS IS A CULTURE WAR, cm, and I'm not gonna "sleep late" on D-Day like the fuhrer did! BTW, Mother Theresa DIDN'T make it to "heaven"; she's rotting in the ground, same as you and I will one day! What she believed is open to interpretation, but what is clear is that she was NOT a "true believer", and my point is valid--in Maguet's mind, she had "forfeited" her place in "heaven". It's that kind of nonsensical judgementalism that rocks my boat! "

" Leon, fair enough, I see your point, but i feel that what you're missing is that "the occasional crackpot" is not just a nuisance in the local newspaper, on your porch or on the street corner--they're a political movement, and they helped to elect the disastrous regime of King George the Warlord! And people have been so conditioned not to question or critique other people's religious beliefs that they've managed to push their agenda through the media and influence issues and laws that have very real consequences for millions of people. That is really my target. I personally could care less what some fool believes--believe in heffalumps and woozles if you want, but don't tell me and millions of others that I need to be "saved" if I don't, and then pass laws to force your beliefs on me. You should realize this, Leon, and get active! For too long, people like you and I have been silent on the couch while the Religious Right has been well-organized and busy-as-a-beehive. And the Supreme Court and the money wasted on non-effective abstinence programs are just two examples of how they've hurt this country! With all due respect Leon, don't see me as "pushing" an agenda--see me as trying to counter a harmful one which has NO PROOF behind it! "

" The MEDIA said people like you would TURN around the words of Mother Teresa! She said at TIMES she questioned her faith--when in all actuality it was her faith that got her thru the tough times. The new book coming out is all about her spiritual journey for over 20+ years..I somehow doubt that this great woman who has given her life to God would die and not believe she was assending to Heaven! Don't you have anything better to do this Labor day weekend? "

" If the wife's cheating and the man wants TONS of proof--its only because he doesnt want to have to cook, clean,and deal with the kids ALONE!!! "

" Save them from themselves? That's as bad as those people trying to "convert" and "save" other people. I don't know how many people like that you run into, but I almost never do. The majority of christians don't push their religion on others, they live their lives in a way that is right for them, and leave others alone to do the same. Why let the occasional crackpot get under your skin? Life is too short to waste time worrying about things like that. What's right for you isn't right for everybody, and someone pushing a religious agenda, and someone else pushing a non-religious agenda with the same "enthusiasm", are one and the same to me. I'm a confirmed agnostic, and people that preach to me either way are summarily ignored. "

" Leon, if people weren't out there trying to "convert" and "save" others by self-righteously telling them how "bad" and "sinful" they were, and claiming that they have some kind of exclusive claims to morality because of their easily-demolished religious beliefs, then people like me wouldn't have to point out the stupidity of it all! You know, tell a man that his wife is cheating on him and he'll demand three kinds of indisputable proof, but tell a man that a person/god performed a dozen miracles and then died and rose from the dead and he says "Oh? OKAY!"--and then goes out preaching about it like he was there himself! Doesn't that strike you as UTTERLY RIDICULOUS?!?! SHOULDN'T WE "SAVE" THESE PEOPLE FROM THEMSELVES??? "

" Iowa--it's "belieFs"--that's "BELIEFS" with an "F"!!!!! You'd do better to read a grammar schoolbook than your silly bible!!! ALSO--"SPEECH"--with TWO "E"'s!!! "

" If the Citizen ever refuses to print letters from people "preaching" their religion, then they should refuse to print letters from people denigrating the religious beliefs of others. Fair is fair, eh? "

" You have your belives and I have my belives. We have freedom of the press and speech "

" You have your belives and I will have my belives. In the United States we have free speach and freedom of the press. "