Two Cents

Thursday, August 16, 2007 10:36 AM EDT

City council and the county legislators need to go by the law and not have private meetings.
Rove down, two to go - Bush and Cheney!

Does the Auburn school district need a full-time, $55,000-a-year plus benefits clerk of the works for its construction project?

Maybe if apple growers lower their price a little bit, people will pick more apples.

Why would you take the extra fire protection from your neighbors? Leave Meridian volunteer firefighters alone to do their job, both departments are needed badly for the size of our community.

To the wannabes that are wearing military clothing: become a veteran first!

Cayuga County should extend tax breaks to Nice and Easy so they can rebuild the gas station in Union Springs. Those of us who refuse to buy from the Cayuga Indian Nation, have no place to buy gas out here.

In my opinion, Cherry Love-Duncan is the best person suited for council. Can she be any worse than the rest of them?

To all the non-NRA Democrat gun owners of a once-free America, Sen. Barack Obama has said he wants to make all semi-automatic firearms and individual sales illegal.

How can some people be so stupid to leave children and pets in a hot car and say they forgot that their kids were in the car? Parents have poor excuses: too lazy or irresponsible.

Told you there would be another accident in front of Hess and MoviePlex. Get a green arrow and traffic light on Route 5 in front of these plazas and sue if you get in an accident with no stoplights/traffic lights.

Don't all of the truckers know that East Genesee Street is under construction. The Thruway is much smoother, even though they drive just as fast on Route 20.

The contractors working on Genesee Street are doing a great job. Let's give them a break and try to find alternate routes until they are done.

Nice article about the football team - that was last years news, time to move on. I, being a student at AHS, and an active participant in the Auburn Maroon Vanguard marching band, think that football shouldn't be the only sport published about, because of working hard throughout the summer.

The Auburn Maroon Vanguard marching band is out there, every Monday and Wednesday, in the sweltering heat for three hours, along with the nine-hour mandatory band camp. We work hard, and are always top ranked every year, for our hard work and dedication, from August to October.

I just wanted to thank the state troopers for going above and beyond for me. Also the lovely woman and her daughter at the Jordan Mini Mart on Friday night.

I approve of the city manager's proposed trash collection plan because I have seen how well it works elsewhere. We should also stop having thousands of tons of trash brought into the heart of the Finger Lakes Region by shutting down the city dump and shipping our trash out.

I think Vice President Cheney should be impeached. This whole thing has turned out to be the biggest nightmare of the USA.

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Farmer's Gal wrote on Aug 20, 2007 7:59 AM:

" Correction: It was SOUTHERN Pacific RR, not Union Pacific.... "

brew1234 wrote on Aug 17, 2007 11:41 AM:

" Boobo from what body part do you pull out these FACTS? "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Aug 17, 2007 11:18 AM:

" Respectfully right back, Karl -- no argument on your points. I just like to remind people once in a while the reason we have the right to bear arms -- mostly people are arguing self-defense or hunting, and those were not the reasons way back when (well, except self-defense against the Redcoats). As for the storming-the-White-House-scenario -- it would undoubtedly be suicide, as we have all seen, if we've been looking, any group that has been organized enough to even look like a vague threat to the status quo of the government is neutralized quickly and without recourse, even if they are within their rights. Realistically, you haven't got a chance of defending yourself against the government. (Try not paying your taxes because you believe that income tax is unconstitutional ;-) As you say, we haven't seen it yet, and there are lots of spin doctors out there making sure the masses remain distracted and anesthetized. I suppose it just upsets me to see the continuous erosion of our rights. Will it ever come to such a day? I don't know, and if it ever did, it would be a nightmare of suffering all around. I'd rather see change happen within the system -- it's just that the "System" has so many built-in defense mechanisms, that the honest, decent, law-abiding citizen has little-to-no chance of affecting real reform. Ask me some time about Union Pacific Railroad's "influence" on the Supreme Court back in the 1800s to decide to interpret the Constitution in such a (twisted, warped and just plain wrong) way as to declare corporations "persons" with Constitutional rights -- rights they use to override the Consitutional rights of natural human persons (as well as destroying the environment). There's something which could really use reform, and perhaps something which could indeed be changed from within the system. I'd like to think so.... "

karl L wrote on Aug 17, 2007 10:48 AM:

" You know its sad, and funny, Booboo, how you hear NOTHING I'm saying. I never said that I advocate the banning or confiscation of ALL guns. I am trying to make the point that the NRA leadership does not have a responsible, accountable method for dealing with gun proliferation and gun violence, in the SAME way that the mass confiscation of all guns would be irresponsible. DO YOU HEAR ME? Get away from your reactionary "talking point" for a second and open your mind!---FARMER'SGAL: with all due respect to your valid and correct points concerning the original intent of the founding fathers, one has to seriously admit that the NRA has exploited and stretched this concept so far--the whole "resist tyranny" thing--that they've almost made it a laughable parody. Can anyone convincingly argue the if the founding fathers could see the violence perpetrated by handguns alone in America today that they would certainly modify that amendment? Besides, back then it was possible (and likely!) that change in governments could be effected by an armed mob; NOT SO TODAY! If you want to see what would happen today, just look at the protesters at the Republican Nat'l Convention a few years back--secret police infiltrators, flying Fuji blimps with ground-penetrating radar scanning and photographing citizens, mass arrests and illegal mass detentions in nameless warehouses--and this was just for PROTESTERS! Believe me--I turn on MSNBC EVERY DAY hoping to see the coverage, but an armed march on the White House just ain't gonna happen today! Maybe when we've been in Iraq for ten-plus years, the draft is reinstituted, a new Depession hits from al the debt we've taken on from this war, and the neocons invade Iran, maybe then...but not yet... "

Bobbo wrote on Aug 17, 2007 8:36 AM:

" Most shootings come from "gangstas", not legally resgistered gun owners. I'm no member of the NRA, but if they weren't aroundl liberals would take all our protection away and only criminals would be armed. Crime rates would sky rocket. I'm all for backround checks and I fully support mandatory gun safety and training as a precondition to owning one. On a separate note, Drivers Ed should be a precondition to getting a license. "

Bobbo wrote on Aug 17, 2007 8:25 AM:

" Most people respect and admire the hard work and great accomplishments of the Maroon Vanguard (I do). Don't let one person, who is just messing with you, let you think otherwise. I agree that the Citizen owes you more coverage. And last year's success did bring the community together. Be proud! "

Farmer's Gal wrote on Aug 17, 2007 8:20 AM:

" Actually, the right to bear arms was given to the citizens of this country specifically for the purpose of overthrowing our government should it become corrupt. "When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another...." The critical bit is: "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." Take that together with a few other lines from the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, and the meaning is clear. I wouldn't advocate for violent revolution ("Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes...."), but though I myself am not a gun owner, I am against usurping the rights of human persons as guaranteed under our Constitution. The Founding Fathers meant for us to be armed in case we ever had to do as they did.... "

Bobbo wrote on Aug 17, 2007 8:19 AM:

" FACT: Republicans donate more money than Democrats to charities every year! "

brew1234 wrote on Aug 17, 2007 1:02 AM:

" Healthcare by Bushie is lining the pockets of the drug companies with big bucks paid by senior citizens for medicare prescription plans. And send your attorney general after the seniors to bust them for going to Canada to save on drugs. If Bushie is giving the rich business owners big tax breaks why don't they provide health care for their employees instead of buying bigger boats, houses and airplanes. The republicans are selfish uncaring slobs that care not at all for the poor, downtrodden and mentally incapable. Just themselves. "

brew1234 wrote on Aug 17, 2007 12:55 AM:

" Driving a car around an oval with your foot on the floor and half the time crashing into each other, that's a sport now? Whacking a ball around a cow pasture, that's a sport now? Playing a trumpet in a formation that's athletic and artistic! "

jlmorgansr wrote on Aug 16, 2007 11:52 PM:

" To concerned citizen: Can you say BOBBLE HEAD? They are cut from the same fabric. There is trouble brewing in this district. Stearns lied about the search and this paper believed him. We are stuck with a board who is determined to stay the course (of failure), at any cost (to us and the kids) More and more people are beginning to recognize this. Sterns, Kent, Cornelius, Lansford, and the lot of them, all sing in harmony, the trouble is we are going to have to pay the piper. I can only pray this community wakes up and for once, says NO to an out of control board, and their mediocre superintendent "

cm wrote on Aug 16, 2007 11:27 PM:

" I have to agree on the Marching band side--these kids/young adults DO put alot of time and effort into something WE think is so easy to do! My son teaches marching band at 2 high schools-their practices are much longer than the football practices. Try walking in a 3 mile parade with a sets of drums on during your heatwave! Any kid that participates, gives their time and effort, instead of just hanging with the gang should be commended in any activity/sport! Go BAND!!! "

cm wrote on Aug 16, 2007 11:18 PM:

" I think if you are a hunter and enjoy that sport then have a gun--BUT when you are not hunting it needs to be secured! There are way too many "accidents" because of careless gun owners..I would never have one in my home--personally I dont see how I could honestly say its for protection-when the truth of it if a person breaks in--I doubt I would have time to get it under the mattress or in the drawer..Those that keep them loaded in their car can still be shot in the head at a stoplight long before they reach under the seat to get their gun!! I also feel those that want to own a gun should go thru EXTREME background checks before one is placed in their hands! And these checks should be quarterly-just because you were sane last month doesnt mean your sane this month! Costly YES, but if you want a gun that bad YOU pay for it! "

karl L wrote on Aug 16, 2007 10:55 PM:

" DanW, besides being a gun owner, I'm also an amateur military historian, so I do know the difference between a gun that fires multiple times by pulling the trigger for each round without manual cocking, and a gun which fires automatically by mechanism as long as you hold the trigger, thank you! As far as the items that you and other NRA supporters mentioned that are illegal (THANK gOD!), that's only because of the hard-fought efforts of the anti-gun lobbies, ie, the "Common Sensicals". Were it up to the NRA, ALL of those would be LEGAL--you know it, don't try to hide it! And as long as guns are available at gun shows and pawn shops, there will always be a "frontman" buying them legally and selling them to criminals. The NRA is irresponsible and facetious--law enforcement has been trying to "enforce the laws on the books" for years, and all it takes is one sicko like at Virginia Tech to wipe out 30 lives before law enforcement arrives to relieve him of his murderous weapon! THAT's REALITY! "

Dan W wrote on Aug 16, 2007 10:04 PM:

" "I consider myself a "Common Sensical". I'm completely with you about the right to own guns! I have a roster of them myself--but NO semi-auto's, NO machine guns, NO banana clips loaded with "cop-killer" jacketed bullets. I simply see NO NEED for them!" I bet you own a roster of guns. If you did. You would know what is the differance a semi auto and a machine gun. The latter is illeagle to possess. Without a federal permit. "Dum Dum" bullets that will go through a bullet proof vest are illegale. Just the crooks have the above. Enforce the gun laws on the books and leave us alone. "

ANGMOM3 wrote on Aug 16, 2007 9:51 PM:

" THEY ARE NOT BAND "GEEKS, BUT TALENTED MUSICIANS AND DEDICATED KIDS. THEY ARE NOT FOOTBALL PLAYERS, BUT THEY DO OUR COMMUNITY PROUD. GO MAROON VANGUARD MARCHING BAND! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. THANK YOU "

tweetyheart49 wrote on Aug 16, 2007 9:31 PM:

" The kids in the band work hard....it takes talent and not just strength to play and be in a band....lay off bluefin....what sport did you do? "

interested wrote on Aug 16, 2007 8:20 PM:

" To: Nocrybabies: Do you really think Jan Ripley is going to learn her lesson doing only 3 yrs? 3 yrs go by really fast. The judge is wayyyy too lenient. I think it was a HUGE mistake voting Leone in as judge. He just isn't taking the crimes seriously enough. Well, we will be seeing Jan Ripley in the papers again in 3 yrs. How much do you want to bet? "

franklin wrote on Aug 16, 2007 8:07 PM:

" To theking, Wow people like you scare me. Do you hear voices? Living in their caves waiting for the government to come after them. Get real. It's 2007 not the wild wild west. When I was in school everyone had a pocket knife and no one ever pulled it on another. Things have changed and not for the better. I myself have a couple of guns and have no problem with responsible ownership. One of the biggest things wrong today is a lot of people have their "wants and needs" messed up. "

karl L wrote on Aug 16, 2007 7:15 PM:

" Call me what you want, Bobbo--I consider myself a "Common Sensical". I'm completely with you about the right to own guns! I have a roster of them myself--but NO semi-auto's, NO machine guns, NO banana clips loaded with "cop-killer" jacketed bullets. I simply see NO NEED for them! The NRA leadership is a bunch of under-endowed, insecure whiners painting a false picture of both the 4th Amendment AND the efforts of sensible American citizens who want a "common sense" approach to rampant, unfettered gun proliferation. The gun-death statistics in America are so out-of-balance with other countries that there can only be one of two explanations for the irresponsible and reckless attitude of the NRA leadership--either they are truly BONKERS head-in-the-clouds Conservatives who make up their own realities, or they are getting HUGE KICKBACKS from the gun manufacturers and the military-industrial complex, and they don't give a d*mn about dying Americans--for the sake of their greed! "

Leon Kapowski wrote on Aug 16, 2007 6:02 PM:

" I've been to many, many gun shows across the country, and I've NEVER seen an assault rifle for sale at one. Assault rifles, by definition, are fully automatic, or are select fire (being able to switch between semi and full auto). You have to have a federal permit to own them, and never have I seen one for sale at a gun show. Assault rifles are not the semi-auto AK or AR style we generally have in the US. The words "assault weapon" are used incorrectly most of the time. As for the people at the gun shows buying and selling legal firearms, I'd like for you to tell me how many of them have killed someone or committed any crimes with their legally owned firearms. By and large, those are the people you WANT to own firearms, because they are the least liable to commit crimes with firearms! And the Second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting. Thomas Jefferson: “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” "

theking wrote on Aug 16, 2007 5:59 PM:

" HEY FRANKLIN AND KARL L, GET A CLUE. ASSAULT RIFLES ARE ALREADY ILLEGAL. THEY ARE FULLY AUTOMATIC. HOLD THE TRIGGER AND ITS FIRES UNTIL EMPTY. SEMI-AUTO YOU MUST PULL TRIGGER EVERY TIME. WHY DONT WE JUST USE STICKS AND STONES TO FIGHT THE GOV'T OR ENEMIES WHEN THE TIME COMES.NICE COMMENT BOBO, AT LEAST SOMEONE KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. FRANKLIN AND KARL HAVENT YOU EVER HEARD THAT THE ONLY TIME WE WILL NEED OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT IS WHEN THEY TRY TO TAKE IT AWAY FROM US "

franklin wrote on Aug 16, 2007 5:10 PM:

" There is no reason in the world to own a assault rifle. Sport or home protection a simple rifle, shotgun or handgun is sufficient. The only reason for a banana clip is to "spray and pray". Just go to a gun show and look at the people selling and looking at assault rifles, I'd say the general population needs protection from THEM. There is no way our founding Fathers could have dreamed how absurd this society is today and things must change. "

Concerned Citizen wrote on Aug 16, 2007 4:59 PM:

" Complain, complain, complain!!! That's all some of you do, especially about the school district. If they are doing such aa awful job, why don't you run in the next election? It is a thankless jpb. First it was Mike Stearns, now it is David Lansford. Why don't you make your complaints in person at the next Board meeting on Tuesday, August 28 at 7:00 p.m. There is a time on the agenda for the public to be heard. "

Bobbo wrote on Aug 16, 2007 3:29 PM:

" Guns aren't just for hunting! They're for protection too, Karl. Why would any radical wacko want to take protection away from law abiding citizens. Just another example of how "big brother" democrats want to run our lives. They also want big taxes, because they know how to spend our money better than us. I thought you were a borderline libertarian Karl. We true Libertarians want government out of our lives! You're a bleeding heart democrat that wants us all dependant on government to tell us how to live and care for our money. When will voters realize that the only reason dems want universal health care is to give them more power and control. That's called fascism! Democrats just paint it pretty colors to make it look appealing to the masses. "

tome8689 wrote on Aug 16, 2007 3:09 PM:

" Are you kidding $55,000.00 a year for a clerk job. Then you wonder why the school taxes are so outrageous! Lansford should be removed from his job. I can't wait til thry try and raise the taxes again this year, and when the people start to complain we'll hear Pabis, and the incompetent Lansford and his bobbleheaded board say the students will suffer if the budget doesn't pass. What total garbage! Do not vote for any current board member and anyone who is running that does not support trimming the excess in our school system. This district has declining enrollments. School Administrators and this joke of a Board have to begin to downsize and do more with less, just like everyone else! "

karl L wrote on Aug 16, 2007 2:08 PM:

" Then THREE CHEERS for Barack O'bama! It's about time SOMEBODY stood up to the certified WACKO's who run the NRA! I'm a hunter and gun owner but theres MO WAY I'd join that bunch of radical looneys! As for semi-auto's, there's no reason in the world that a hunter needs to be able to fire that fast--if you can't hit your target cleanly and accurately then either get to the range and practice, or DON'T TAKE THE SHOT! "

nocrybabies wrote on Aug 16, 2007 2:04 PM:

" Poor, Poor, Jan Ripley. Doesn't it just break your heart to hear a drug dealer/user whining about all she is losing because she is being punished? Seems to me she should have thought about her grandkids and animals BEFORE she started dealing and using meth! Also, it sickens me to hear that her grandson loves horses and she hid her drugs and paraphanalia in the horse barn. DUH! I hope jail gives her a reality check! "

RWT wrote on Aug 16, 2007 1:13 PM:

" If they didn't have private meetings, it would be harder to put things over on you. "

bluefin wrote on Aug 16, 2007 1:13 PM:

" Hmmm... playing a trumpet a sport now? "

yoker wrote on Aug 16, 2007 1:08 PM:

" OKAY band geeks we all know you work hard but until you can bring a community together like the football team did stop complaining. "

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