ATVs still waiting for green light

By Shane M. Liebler / The Citizen

Tuesday, May 1, 2007 10:45 AM EDT

All terrain vehicle riders got a foot in the door last week, but still have a ways to go before they can put wheels on Cayuga County-owned trails.
Jennifer Meyers / The Citizen
Tim Smith, far left, of Clyde, heads out towards the trails with other members of the All County ATV Club during the first ride of the season in Savannah. Behind him, from left, are John Cimineri, Debbie and Bob Schofield, and Michael Virnoche.
A law passed by the county Legislature makes the long-sought opening of county trails to ATVs possible.

However, it will be up to lawmakers to separately determine if and how roughly 20 miles of trails in northern Cayuga County may be used.

“There's no intention of doing that right now,” said county Parks Director Gary Duckett, who worked about a year drafting the law and ATV provision. “I wanted to include (the law) so if we ever do decide we want to do something in that area, we can.”

The law adopted this week essentially repealed a measure splitting oversight of park lands in the town of Sterling with a defunct committee and placed sole responsibility on the county. In redrafting the legislation, a section was added that would allow legislators to open up county trails and set parameters at their discretion.

Before the vote, Legislator Paul Dudley, R-Cato, called a meeting with ATV club members and government leaders from northern Cayuga County communities to talk about the possibility.

“I believe that county property should be used by as many people as possible,” Dudley said.

But, he also understands those who would be against ATV use. Rural landowners fear riders cutting loose on crop fields or just creating noise, dust and trail deterioration.

Snowmobilers have enjoyed a different level of tolerance because of state-sponsored liability insurance, a statewide trail system and the natural benefit of lower impact.

“Quite frankly I get more complaints about motorcycles and ATVs on the trails than any other,” said Duckett, himself an ATV owner.

Snowmobiles create noise, but in the winter, windows are generally closed. In spring, ATVs can also damage wet trails.

“It's a real and legitimate concern,” Duckett said.

Dudley has suggested allowing ATVs on county trails during the driest months. Those type of restrictions would be expected at first.

“It's moving in the right direction,” said Jim Marra, president of the Oswego County ATV Club.

He hopes that direction is west to Wayne County where the 220 members of his club can connect to public trails there.

Likewise, Corbin “Barry” LaVoy of the 280-member All County ATV Club in Savannah would like to connect with Oswego trails. But more than anything else, LaVoy and many other enthusiasts are looking for a place to ride.

“Something's got to happen,” LaVoy said.

The New York State Off-Highway Vehicle Association, the ATV lobbying group, is working on that.

“The overall goal here is to give these ATVers a place to go,” NYSORVA spokesman Bob Ski said. “A loop in the woods will not suffice the riding community and stop illegal riding from happening.”

There's a good deal of economic potential as well. Snowmobilers bring an estimated $850 million into the state each year, Ski said. In 2006, ATVs outnumbered snowmobile registrations by about 20,000.

“And the season is twice as long,” Ski said. “These people spend an awful lot of money to do what they love.”

Many go to Pennsylvania, Virginia and Canada, though, he said. In New York, rural Lewis County has become a destination because of its growing trail system.

“There's approximately 40 strong, organized clubs throughout New York state, most of these clubs have riding trails,” Ski said. “As these trail systems continue to grow ... they can build toward each other and eventually create a statewide system.”

For a long time, his wheels were spinning, but a major surge in the sport's popularity and a recent reorganization of NYSORVA are changing that.

“What has been accomplished over the last six months are some pretty substantial leaps and bounds,” Ski said.

The association went from a few-thousand-dollar budget and a handful of volunteers to a director-based model with nine-member board representing specific regions.

“There's a long way to go,” he said. “To this point, this group's been ignored in terms of legislation.”

“A lot of that stems from the fact that the ATV community has not traditionally worked together,” Ski said.

The first goal of making affordable liability insurance available to clubs has been accomplished. The issue of liability is often a major roadblock in obtaining easements on private land.

In Cayuga County, there may be other problems. In addition to political resistance, some grants that have already been awarded to improve the Cato-Brutus and Cato-Fair Haven trails might be applicable for trails that allow ATVs.

“If the climate changes to the point it could be workable, then it's possible,” Duckett said.

Staff writer Shane Liebler can be reached at 253-5311 ext. 248 or shane.liebler@lee.net

On the Net

New York State Off-Highway Recreational Vehicle Association: www.nysorva.org

All County ATV Club: www.allcountyatv.net

The Citizens' Say

There are 14 comment(s)

phoenix wrote on Jun 5, 2007 5:25 AM:

" I don't see ANYTHING about allowing ATV use on "hiking" trails. As a 4 wheeler here, I can say I DON'T want to be on hiking trails. It's like taking a speedboat up a mtn stream, or a canoe across the ocean, it's not the right place for it. Hiking trails are for hikers! As for the noise? Havig been to an atv park in PA, I can say that most ATV's are suprisingly quiet, Heck my truck made more noise (with the old muffler) then most of the ATV's I have seen. Yes, there will always be morons that ride illegaly, why not give people a chance/place to ride the RIGHT way? "

give us SOME places to ride not ALL places wrote on May 26, 2007 9:16 PM:

" "I wish people had more respect for peaceful, quiet, healthy activities! What's wrong with canoeing? It's healthy, builds muscle and coordination, does not use up natural resources, does not pollute and does not make a lot of noise."...so what your saying is that we should ban NASCAR. "Give me a break. If I lived in the desert and bought a boat, I woulden't expect the County to build me a lake. Allowing these things on the hiking trails would ruin it for the rest of us. If it's got a motor, keep it off the trails. Period"...not exactly the same comparison since these machines can move on land, they just aren't allowed. You don't have to ask permision to drive your boat in a lake now do you. We are not asking for the state to let us ride EVERY WHERE, ON ALL HIKING TRAILS, or any hikeing trails for that matter. We are asking for trails of our own and you only have to put a few places in the state not everywhere. People will be willing to drive a short distance to ride a leagal place. This would also allow you treehuggers to keep your peace and quiet. See the difference is, we are trying to co-exist and you are not. It is arrogent and ignorant to think only the recreations you like to do be allowed, since we all pay taxes. "

1fast yamaha wrote on May 25, 2007 10:49 PM:

" All I have read on here was a bunch of tree huggers that complain and cry like little school girls , not one of you has offered a solution to your problem , all I saw was the word ban or stay off the trails...LMao, stay off the trails ? name one activity that you tree huggers paid for ,you can not name one , I on the other hand know for a fact that in the tug hill area alone , atv's bring in 36 million dollars to the local economy , and yes we paid for our trails and what little we have , you hikers on the other hand have paid for nothing and still use the trails that we paid for . I notice that one lady with no life said that we use up our resorces when riding our atvs , she is most likely the one soccer mom driving a chevy tahoe that gets 8 miles to a gallon...LOL see what I think is , if you want to live out in the country then you should deal with country living or else move out to syracuse and enjoy city life , as per your letter , I work for yamaha and I have yet to see an atv do 100 mph , 60 is at best , not all our atvs are loud and I have seen many street bikes louder then atvs and they are street legal and can ride past your home at 2am and theres nothing any of you can say about that , so the bottom line here is , as long as they keep making atvs then there will be atvs riding past your homes if you live in the country , so get over it and get a life and move on , there are alot worst things out there to be fighting againts then atvs , you are only showing your own ignorance ! have a nice day. Ps. there is not one study out there that has proved atv's have cause erosion to any area in the state of NY , not one and that is according to the NY DEC. "

700yellowraptor wrote on May 25, 2007 2:16 AM:

" As far as the whole tax thing give me a break i have been paying a registration fee for over 20 years and not 1 cent has goin to a trail system.I have no kids but pay my school taxs.I bet most of you haters would love riding atv's if you gave it a try.Most of the rider around here are respectful we do not ride during deer hunting season and we wait till the tails dry out in spring."Loves the peace and quiet"--i have kayaks and my quads are so much more fun thank you very much. "

outside view wrote on May 4, 2007 7:01 AM:

" Krug, go back to Lewis county. 100 years ago no one liked car's either, now there are paved roads everywhere. Not all ATV's are loud, dirty and driven fast, there are many riden by familys to enjoy the scenery and sorroundings. People talk about the pollutionand smell, what about the big farms with all the manure stinking up the air and sometimes running off into area streams, or the errosion from the cows walking the same trails thre wthe pastures? There are rouge atv riders just like there are rouge car drivers and boater and hunters and the hikers that leave trash on the trail or carve their name into a tree or rock. "

Tony Brown wrote on May 3, 2007 2:28 PM:

" I just can't understand why any of us should be forced to deal with those noisey dirty machines. They are just as bad as snowmobiles destroying my solitude. "

Bruce Krug wrote on May 3, 2007 9:09 AM:

" When it comes to ATVs, misinformation abounds. As a Lewis County resident, I was surprised to read that we have a "growing" ATV trail system. Indeed, we don't have any trail system. A number of towns in the county and the county itself have illegally opened up highways to ATV traffic. There have been and will be legal challenges against these illegal laws. In fact, Lewis County had their law opening up county reforestation land thrown out in New York Supreme Court for not following the environmental review process correctly. The amount of areas open to ride ATVs has decreased greatly in Lewis County, not grown, even though politicians pandering to the ATV crowd seem willing to use any means necessary to open highways. When receiving information from ATV enthusiasts please beware. It is usually wrong and always self serving. "

Consideration wrote on May 2, 2007 1:45 PM:

" Rights-of-ways for walking go way back in history; it is indeed a right. However, vehicles, and particularly motor vehicles, have a long history of being regulated and restricted -- with good reason. I don't have a problem with portions of my tax money paying to maintain paths for hikers who don't pollute the air (or ear!) In Illinois, where I was recently visiting, they have the Illinois Prairie Path -- dozens of miles of extremely well-kept paths for pedestrians, bicycles and horses -- no motor vehicles. It's wonderful and doesn't disturb anyone. I should think that the majority of comments here might serve to let riders of loud vehicles know that there is a significant part of the population whose peace they destroy with their hobby -- Please try to be more considerate. "

Relax wrote on May 2, 2007 11:35 AM:

" A couple points. 1. snowmobile registration pays for the creation and up keep of thier trails, not the publics taxes. 2. a portion of registrations for snowmobiles and atv's goes into the parks and recreation fund, which in turn is used to take care of the old RR bed that is mentioned in the story. 3.why should non hikers pay for the trails just for hikers to use? Do they pay fees to use the trails like snowmobiles and atvs have to? Past history show that is places aren't designated for the use of these machine than some, not all will run where they want, but the same can be said for hikers, bikers, hunter and boaters. Joyce saud if you want an atv you should buy 50 acres to ride, maybe the hikers and boater should do the same?? Just some food for thought "

Joyce wrote on May 2, 2007 8:38 AM:

" What percentage of the population rides (or can afford to ride) an ATV? Maybe 1%? Why should the remaining 99% have to pay taxes to support this hobby? Opening up these trails will lead to the same selfish practices of snowmobilers, who think they can destroy private property and create a nuisance for owners who pay the taxes. If you want to ride an ATV, or a snowmobile, first save up to buy 50 acres of property. Of course once you get your property tax bill, you probably won't be able to afford a gallon of gas. What's next? Will boaters demand-tax funded canals so they can cruise to their backyard? "

Loves the peace and quiet wrote on May 2, 2007 8:26 AM:

" I wouldn't want to live near any of those trails -- it's noisy enough on the lake with all the jet skis. And I would worry constantly for my pets (cats). We had some renegade types ride down and kill a dog in our town a few years ago. I wish people had more respect for peaceful, quiet, healthy activities! What's wrong with canoeing? It's healthy, builds muscle and coordination, does not use up natural resources, does not pollute and does not make a lot of noise. Rather, you, and maybe some family or friends with you, can move along slowly enough to enough the beauty of our Finger Lakes. On land, take up hiking. I'll never understand the childish fascination with loud, fast, obnoxious power vehicles. To me, it is not much different than people who arrogantly blow their cigarrette smoke in your face -- keep your noise to yourselves! "

Hiker wrote on May 2, 2007 7:01 AM:

" Give me a break. If I lived in the desert and bought a boat, I woulden't expect the County to build me a lake. Allowing these things on the hiking trails would ruin it for the rest of us. If it's got a motor, keep it off the trails. Period. "

R Lyboult wrote on May 1, 2007 7:39 PM:

" We belong to an atv club, our trails are insured,maintained,and patroled. sorry to say ,however wether it be atv,snowmobile, or any other motorized vehicle there will be renegade rider's, we do our utmost to ban any such activity, all club members machines are registered and insured, we have members in age from 18 to 83 yrs old, we are a responsible club,with attorney's, sheriff's,nurses,and ect.as members who enjoy the sport, not everyone's out to go 100 mph, it's the one's who's machines are not registered or insured, and where are the parent's of these kid's, responsibilty begin's at home,and respecting other peoples property is part of that, we instruct to members, the use of trails is a priviledge not a right. responsibilty, "

Bob Borders wrote on May 1, 2007 12:15 PM:

" Just what we need -a bunch of late teen early twenty something going 100mph on some these trails ripping and roaring like there's no tomorrow "

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