Two Cents

Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:00 PM EDT

To the irresponsible drivers on the road, especially when driving around Owasco Lake, please pay attention to the road. To the driver on Monday morning that didn't want to stop or try to slow down for the poor duck crossing Owasco Road, don't worry the guy driving in front of me in the other lane hit and killed it for you - I hope you are happy that my kids had to witness that!
The excessive demands of unions have ruined the American automobile industry.

Why would the new city manager ever consider buying a house in Auburn. First of all, he's not going to be here that long and secondly, when he leaves he will probably never be able to sell it for what he bought it for anyway. It's a losing proposition.

I've got a good idea. Why doesn't the city manager try to find a house on Orchard Street; that'll never happen.

That mess on the corner of Holley and Lansing Street, has been there so long. Isn't there a time limit on when they have to have it cleaned up.

What about Councilor Dave Dempsey living outside the city for 18 months or more. We're looking at the city manager who was just appointed, but Councilor Dempsey was already a councilperson who resided for 18 months outside the city.

Chou did the actual killing at Virginia Tech but America's lawyers made it all possible with all the threats of lawsuits on the universities, personnel, police and medical people by ACLU and others. It is no wonder this happened.

I, a woman, am jumping for joy that such a violent and horrendous abortion procedure is no longer legal. Abortion harms women physically and emotionally, and it takes away the rights of fathers.

With the passing of Dennis McNabb, we've lost another one of our heroes. Dennis served God and his country and he raised a great family.

Now that Fred Thompson's lymphoma is in remission and he will make it known, he will easily beat Rudy, John McCain, Newt Gingrich and Chuck Hagel and I will vote for him in the presidential elections.

Why don't people wait until John Walsh Boulevard is finished before they start complaining?

Inmate to guards ratio, 3 to 1; they really should take phones out of bars. I worked out there 31 1/2 years and 30 or 50 to 1 was acceptable.

President Bush has made a comment concerning Supreme Court partial birth abortion ruling: He said that protecting human dignity and upholding the sanctity of human life is a step toward the right decision. I wonder if he would make the same comment about aborting the war in Iraq.

Temporary public assistance is about helping you find a job, and getting back self-sufficiency. But if you can't pass a drug test, you shouldn't be given any taxpayer money until you can.

Japan's politicians have passed laws that prevent any citizen from having any kind of firearms. This total control of the people did not keep Mayor Iccho Ito of Nagasaki from being shot.

Your online NP is getting much better but there is no reason you can't get the obits in the paper in the morning. All other papers do it.

It's really nice to know that our top lawyers on the Supreme Court are also great physicians, because they know more about the wants and physical desires about women than the women do themselves. Bush needs to name more men of that caliber.

Corporate control, with available technological advances in communication, is in a position to replace our archaic public school system. The problem lies with the cowardice of the politicians who will have to face the powerful national teachers' union.

George Bush's Supreme Court appointees have helped uphold the ban on partial birth abortion. Finally, something really good has come from the Bush administration.

Education is teaching a child how to talk - and then how to keep quiet.

The Two Center who said the decision to abort is between her, him and God, forgets the pure innocent baby who is murdered. The same decision to murder an infant because it affects their mental or physical health will result in arrest and incarceration.

I wish The Citizen would have a police page of everyone arrested and convicted of crime. And not only their names, but put in a picture of that person so they really feel ashamed for what they did.

Since East Genesee Street is going to be totally revamped, the sewer and water system I am told is nearly 100 years old. What is the explanation from the city, I would like to see stated in the paper, why this is not replaced at this time.

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Loving Mom of two wrote on Apr 27, 2007 11:31 AM:

" A woman who has been raped or a child who is a victim of incest or even a college-age woman who has been tricked with a date-rape drug can't be told "don't have sex" -- what a stupid, naive thing to say. The real world is not so simple, black-n-white. Reality is, accidental pregnancies happen to people who were not taking risks too. And the future welfare of the potential child should be weighed when making a decision -- sometimes it is better for the child not to be born into certain circumstances -- ones you small-minded people with your unrealistic, simplistic view of the world cannot even imagine. I can -- I've been there. Wanted the child, but did not make the choice according to what I wanted -- rather, what would be best for the child. The evil man who impregnated me on purpose would not have ever let that child get away from him and would have destroyed his/her life, twisted and hurt the child, would not have let me give it away or keep it away from him -- better not to give a child a sick, evil father like that, no matter how much I wanted to have him/her. The world is not the simple, pretty little place you like to imagine and people often have to make a choice between bad and worse, where there is NO "good" choice. Get over your high-and-mighty perspective, because you don't know if you haven't been there yourself. "

R W A wrote on Apr 25, 2007 11:52 AM:

" Women your fetus has a heartbeat. The decision is yours. "

R W A wrote on Apr 25, 2007 11:50 AM:

" Ben the parts u mention are made by the same people. "

Leon Kapowski wrote on Apr 25, 2007 10:20 AM:

" I'm not even remotely close to being a christian, but I think abortion in any form is wrong. If people exercised a little more self control, or were safer about it, there would be less babies to be terminated. Life doesn't have to be "sexless", and of course I'm not celibate... first of all I take all the precautions I can, secondly, I can handle the responsibility of taking care of a child if one comes along. Besides, what is wrong with not having sex? I have a couple celibate friends, and I don't make fun of them for being "sexless", anyone who does is ignorant. I'd rather have friends that choose to not have sex until marriage than friends that are lining up at an abortion clinic. "

Hey Rick wrote on Apr 25, 2007 9:43 AM:

" Your statement is so filled with ignorance, that I think you must be related to Karl. Do you really think that everyone that is against abortion does not own property? You do realize that the majority of this County is against abortion. I own my own home, my husband and I both work and we are both against abortion. As a matter of fact most people I know own their homes. Also to the “Woman” that is going to have sex with everyone, Thank God you are not a parent, it is the existence of people like you that are bringing down the morality of this Country. "

Totally ridiculous that our county government lets this go on wrote on Apr 25, 2007 8:45 AM:

" County hearing postponed for Chick in tools case Wednesday, April 25, 2007 A civil service hearing on the status of John Chick's employment with Cayuga County was adjourned until Aug. 15, according to the county carpenter who soon faces sentencing over his role in the illegal removal of asbestos from the county's Board of Elections building. Chick and his lawyer met with an administrative hearing officer and Matt Fletcher, a labor relations attorney, Tuesday at the county office building. County Attorney Frederick Westphal said the next meeting date was set based on the various parties' schedules. The county had lodged charges of misconduct and incompetence against Chick, who was placed on paid administrative leave Dec. 26 over allegations that he replaced personal tools at the county's expense. Chick is to be sentenced June 5 in U.S. District Court on the charge of conspiracy to violate the federal Clean Air Act. "

rick wrote on Apr 25, 2007 8:10 AM:

" Bottom line, It's nobodys business what a person does with their body, this is a free country that why men and women have died over the years so we could live in a free country. Besides that give the tax payers a break, were the ones who support your 4or5 kids that you have with 4 or 5 different men who are never around to raise the kids. School taxes go up because they have to go to school,you more than likely don't own property, county,city and state taxes continue to go up to support the welfare rolls that support the 4 or 5 children. Abortion is good. "

The Great Salami wrote on Apr 25, 2007 7:52 AM:

" I know how to solve the abortion debate, just criminalize sex out of marriage. That should prevent unwanted pregnancies much in the same way that stricter gun laws have prevented gun violence in the last twenty years. "

karl quisling wrote on Apr 25, 2007 12:19 AM:

" Allyou self-righteous anti-abortionists, live your boring, fretful sexless lives how you choose--but don't expect intelligent woman to subscribe to your Taliban-ish theocratic fantasies! The Bible says nothing about abortion. "Thou shalt not kill" does NOT cover it, because aborting a clump of microscopic cells with no consciousness, feelings, or any brain or nervous system to even feel simply does not pass for a "baby". So...Science doesn't agree with you, neither does the Bible so.....hmmmm...You people have got a real credibility problem here! Your position is entirely imaginative, totally subjective, and reinforced only by the myths that you circulate amongst yourselves. "Don't have sex"?!?! I'm fairly positive that none of you do! If you put even 1/10th of the energy into making the world a better place for CHILDREN ALREADY HERE, the world would be a MUCH BETTER PLACE!! "

learn something wrote on Apr 24, 2007 11:19 PM:

" We need to learn from the Asian market. It's not the unions. It's that no one take the time to be as maticulous as they would in Japan. "

Woman wrote on Apr 24, 2007 10:23 PM:

" I'll have sex when ever I want to. With who ever I want to. I will not try to get pregnant. But if I do I will have the fetus aborted. Talk all you want. But that's what is happening. And I do not feel guilty. "

THE TRUTH wrote on Apr 24, 2007 9:55 PM:

" I said it yesterday, and I'll say it again. Ignorance breeds Ignorance. Unfortanetly a man's IQ need not be higher than his sperm count in order to reproduce. Abortion is a result of the man's weaknesses and inability to control himself when it comes to having sex. Men are impulsive, and they do not think. So men, keep your pants on. And women, stay home, and leave the men alone. Don't go to bars looking for men, and don't think that if you have sex with a man he'll love you more, or that a baby will make him love you either. "

Ben wrote on Apr 24, 2007 8:34 PM:

" Crappy engineering and quality have ruined the american automotive industry. I just had my company-owned 2005 Dakota with only 15k miles in the shop for replacement of the stereo, replacement of the windshield wiper motor, and repair of the side view mirror controls. My Honda Civic has 135k miles and has never had a problem. Sorry, but until experience tells me otherwise, I'll stick with the Japanese. "

Pink wrote on Apr 24, 2007 8:02 PM:

" It's sad that people are so careless when having sex, but it's even worse when they get pregnant, and have the child, only to abuse it or kill it. "

Lilly wrote on Apr 24, 2007 8:00 PM:

" If you can't take on the responsibilities that come along with sexual intimacy, whether it be STD's or pregnancy, you shoulnd't be having sex. Simple as that. "

Unwanted Pregnancy Fix! wrote on Apr 24, 2007 7:36 PM:

" DON'T HAVE SEX!!!!! "

hey agree wrote on Apr 24, 2007 7:29 PM:

" You run a slum, you get slum dwellers. That is the nature of the beast! "

birth control is not 100% wrote on Apr 24, 2007 7:05 PM:

" effective. don't have sex. you'll better off emotionally in the long run. respect yourself. abortion is self destructive and destructive to a baby. "

And also wrote on Apr 24, 2007 6:55 PM:

" They need to list all the scumbag landlords who charge outrageous rents for dumps and then wonder why all they get is Welfare scum who trash the place further! "

Agree wrote on Apr 24, 2007 6:49 PM:

" To The Auburn Landlord-I agree. I am not a landlord, but I used to be . There are some undesireable people to rent to. You never know if your place is going to get wrecked or if you are going to get your rent. It's a gamble. "

Did you know wrote on Apr 24, 2007 6:39 PM:

" (E) The physician credited with developing the partial-birth abortion procedure has testified that he has never encountered a situation where a partial-birth abortion was medically necessary to achieve the desired outcome and, thus, is never medically necessary to preserve the health of a woman "

To Bitter wrote on Apr 24, 2007 6:24 PM:

" Please stop man bashing just because you did not take the time to get to know the person you where going to have children with a little better. It takes more then a couple of beers and one special night to really get to know someone. I know a lot of men that have custody of their children, others that do more then their share of housework, and wait on their wives. It is NOT a man’s fault that he cannot get pregnant, nor does the fact that the mother is the one to carry the baby make that baby any less his. You want child support, you want men to take responsibility, well Bitter it is a good thing if he starts doing that at conception. You can not have your cake and eat it too, do you want men to be men and fathers then you have to let them. "

Auburn Landlord wrote on Apr 24, 2007 6:20 PM:

" What the Citizen really needs to do is publish the Names of all the deadbeat, evicted tenants in the paper, so good, honest landlords, such as myself, do not get suckered into renting to these people. We really need to get a Landlord's Association going in Auburn to protect the good landlord's from getting stuck with these people... "

Ru Serious? wrote on Apr 24, 2007 6:13 PM:

" Two muggings in Auburn in two days and all anyone wants to talk about is Abortion? "

New Subject wrote on Apr 24, 2007 6:12 PM:

" Why is that working parents get told their income is too high to get financial aid to send their child to a local college, however, it is okay for us as taypayers to support criminals in prison to get a college education. Talk about a messed up system! "

Hello People! wrote on Apr 24, 2007 6:08 PM:

" Hasn't anyone very heard of birth control. If you can read this, you should know what birth control is!!!!! Stop blaming and murdering an innocent child!!! "

Wait a minute!!! wrote on Apr 24, 2007 5:55 PM:

" I thought "babykiller" was a term we reserved to show our support for the troops when we have tired of the War. "

Pay attention there's no room... wrote on Apr 24, 2007 5:40 PM:

" Maybe you missed the article explaining what the Supreme Court upheld. That's probably not very hard since most major news sources completely ignored it. The ban against "Partial Birth" abortions DOES NOT make an exception for the health of the woman! So basically our government just said that women don't have the right to save their own lives. How can that be Pro-Life? To me, that's just anti-women. "

Bitter wrote on Apr 24, 2007 5:32 PM:

" I think it is funny that when it comes to an abortion, men think that they have a say.. well, what about the men out there that do have little one's running around and they could care less? It is so easy for them to say oh I will be there, and that is my child too! But who is left to take care of the child when the man doesn't want to any more? That's right, the woman.. So stop trying to make all women sound so horrible! Woman take care of the kids, the house, the man and everything else! It is tough, and I think that out of fear abortion is usually the first thought when an un expected, or un wanted pregnancy takes place.. it's sad I know.. I have never had an abortion but I know someone who has, and trust me that was the best thing that could have happened to that "ball of cells" "

I cant believe wrote on Apr 24, 2007 5:28 PM:

" that this red herring is still being debated today when we have children starving in our own backyards. I think we should legalize abortion up to the age of majority!!!! "

What wrote on Apr 24, 2007 5:21 PM:

" I have a problem with is the fact that many (not all) but many teenagers and women use abortion as a form of birth control.. being raped is a compleatly different story and so is the life or death situation.. I know that sometimes pregnancy does happen while on the pill or when using other forms of birth control, but waiting until the baby is moving and opening and closing there tiny little eyes, and they could survive outside of the womb is so disgusting! What is the difference between that and having the baby in a bathroom stall and killing it and throwing it in a dumpster someplace? It is so sad that it has been allowed to go on thus far! I am no better than anyone else on here, nor am I trying to come across that way, all I am saying is that there are other choices.. maybe not an all out Adoption, but what about a family member, or a private adoption? There are millions of people on private adoption lists.. so many that I do not know how any newborn could ever get lost in the cracks! You just need to contact the right agency to find out.. I know for many it is so much easier and so much quicker to just go ahead and get an abortion rather than do reserch on adoption, but it is not only sad for the unborn, but it is unhealthy for the women as well. This topic could go on and on. I am sure everyone on here has either had an abortion themselves or they know someone who has. This is a sign of the times.. and it is very sad "

johninauburn wrote on Apr 24, 2007 5:02 PM:

" Typical repugnican speil we care baby before it's born but dont give a damn about in after it's born. As ofr the union demands pull your head out of your butt it's the fact that America loves to buy cars at the cheapest price with the cheapest labor so unfortunately in America you can not compete with auto workers making a quarter an hour elsewhere-- how terrible of the union to want people to actually be able to afford a car they work hard to make "

There is no room on the soapbox with you standing there wrote on Apr 24, 2007 4:41 PM:

" Well guess what, I am sick of people using worst possible case scenarios to back up an other wise un-debatable facts. Forget the fact that many children are adopted, many no adopted people have gone on to live very good lives, forget all those facts. Just continue to keep going to the worse place imaginable so that woman do not get to have to be held accountable for their own actions. It’s not that hard, if you do not want a baby don’t have sex, if you cannot afford a baby don’t have sex, if you are going to beat your baby seek professional help. Other wise stand up and be a real woman that excepts what she has done and acknowledges the consequences of her actions. The law allows exceptions for rape, life or death situations, and molestation, it just doesn’t allow exceptions based on the fact you were just looking for a good time. "

Get off you soapbox people wrote on Apr 24, 2007 3:50 PM:

" so listen.. I am so sick and tired of people talking about abortion... here's the deal if you dont think abortion is fair... then dont have one.. bottom line dont sit here and preach to other people about it being between god and the woman... come down from your cloud and pay attention to reality. you say.. put the child up for adoption so someone else can have them... well thats all well and nice but what about the kids who never get adopted? the ones who go through the system their whole lives and ending up falling through the cracks... and end up with no family no love... no life at all.. besides breathing...or the kids who are born into homes where they arent appreciated and are abused all because the mom was told abortion was wrong... now i understand that if you dont want a child there are preventative measures that can be taken.. but lets be honest it happens... and after youve made that mistake dont make another by bringing a baby into this world who wont be loved and cherished... bottom line... and if that means... abortion then unfortunately that means abortion... "

It is what we are talking about wrote on Apr 24, 2007 3:34 PM:

" The subject matter at hand is indeed, about the Supreme Court decision to uphold the ban on partial birth abortion. That is what was stated in the two cents and what is being commented about. Fist of all why does it all come down to money, I would pay to support a baby, no matter how it got there with a lot less contempt then I would for the drug addicts and alcoholics collecting disability. Also the rape issue, if my daughter got raped I would not wait until delivery to take care of the matter, they have something called the next day pill, so you can stop the sperm from fertilizing the egg. However even if they did not have this, I would not condone my daughter “choice to" wait until the baby is old enough and ready to live on its own to kill it during delivery, if your going to carry it that long anyway then the only choice you should have is giving it up for adoption. It is not ok to kill babies just because they have really bad parents. "

Was the wrote on Apr 24, 2007 3:24 PM:

" Citizen there to get the details on the county and the position and outcome of John Chick and his job today? "

Proud to be a Mom wrote on Apr 24, 2007 3:23 PM:

" What would this world be like if YOUR mother chose not to have you? "

Waste of time wrote on Apr 24, 2007 3:22 PM:

" It is a waste of time to argue about this. Everyone will do what they want to whether anyone on here believes it is right or wrong... whether it is against the law or not. Murder is against the law and it happens everyday. So everyone may as well take the time they are using to make comments on here and go hug their children and thank God that they have them in their lives. "

Mom wrote on Apr 24, 2007 2:58 PM:

" Most of us here are not talking about partial birth abortion -- we are not talking about late-term when the living thing growing inside you is indeed and undeniably a little person. At 4 weeks there is nothing more than a ball of cells which doesn't even have a "spinal pole" -- a line of cells all in a row which eventually become a spine. I'll repeat what I said the other day -- the only person with real perspective is the woman who has faced the issue and answered it both ways. "

Leon Kapowski wrote on Apr 24, 2007 2:56 PM:

" To you don't know... how about making a decision to not get pregnant in the first place? It's entirely possible to not get pregnant when you can't afford to have a baby or just can't take care of one... and it'll probably cost you less money than an abortion as well. "

I do know wrote on Apr 24, 2007 2:48 PM:

" I was 17 when I found out I was pregnant , enlisted to go into the Air force and had my whole future planned out. I got pregnant using birth control, that is how mush I did not want to get pregnant. My recruiter called to schedule my physical the day I found out I was pregnant. I was scared, I cried, I did not want to change my life around, I did not feel I was ready for a baby, I had everyone telling me that I should abort it or give it up for adoption. However, it was a baby, My baby and I would not even consider or let anyone influence me in to thinking it wasn’t. My son is 20 years old now, and I have gotten really sick and he helps me do things I am unable to do for my self when I need him to even if it inconveniences him, that is what happens when you let life come full circle. "

OK then Proud Mom.... wrote on Apr 24, 2007 2:42 PM:

" Then YOU can pay the tab for all of those unwanted babies and take care of them....why should tax payers have to pay to raise these kids??? Better yet, if and when your daughter gets attacked raped by some sicko, she can then mother the baby of that rapist. How does that settle with ya?? Think before you speak Magellan! "

Murder is Murder, don't suger coat it wrote on Apr 24, 2007 2:38 PM:

" Hey women, why don’t you make the “Best decision” for your baby long before YOU ALLOW yourself to get pregnant. Wake up and be accountable for YOUR own actions. They have clauses in there when it comes to saving the mother’s life. Sorry to all of those that feel anything less then perfect is not a viable life, but obviously the majority of us feel that even babies born with birth defects deserve our protection from being Murdered as they take their first breath. "

Your right comes long before delivery wrote on Apr 24, 2007 2:28 PM:

" First of all, before you argue the Baby not a Baby argument. It is called partial birth abortion for a reason. That is what is being about here. Look up what partial birth abortion is, then if you still feel that a woman should have the right to Chose to kill an innocent baby, with the ability to live outside of its mother’s womb, for ANY REASON, then you are a monster and should not have any more rights then any other person that commits infanticide. "

A Baby wrote on Apr 24, 2007 2:19 PM:

" I was produced either out of love or out of the heat of a moment, but the bottom line is that I exist! God has plans for me, just as he has plans for you! Why do you feel it is your right to destroy me? I am a baby, I am your baby.. I am sorry that you didn't take a small little pill, or slip on one of those slimy thing's they call a rubber or something, but it is not my fault, so why am I being punished? Please think twice before you rid me of your body, I am sure that if you do not want me, somebody else will! I just need the chance to grow inside of you! Thank you!! "

A Proud Mom wrote on Apr 24, 2007 2:11 PM:

" I remember hearing my children's heart beat at just 8 weeks into my pregnacy.. I am sorry but once there is a heart beat there is a human being.. So I don't want to hear about any blastocyst crap! I compleatly agree with the fact that there are other forms of birth control out there other than abortion.. Murder is murder, no matter what the age of the victim! Let's stop making excuses for when an abortion is acceptable and when it is not.. that child didn't choose to be placed in the womb of a irrisponsible human being, there are no such thing's as mistakes when a child is conceived.. maybe bad timing.. but not a mistake! Life is precious and life is short.. if you do not want that child for one reason or another, nurture it for the very short 9 months and give it to a very loving family that is unable to have a child of there own.. what a wonderful gift to give!! "

you don't know wrote on Apr 24, 2007 2:01 PM:

" To all who think that abortion is wrong, you can't make that decision until your there, you can sit back and think all you want but you don't know...Talk all this bull if you think it makes you a better person...half of you know if you had to you would, so stop putting all this in here saying I would never, because again...YOU DON'T KNOW, but wait until your in that position then see how you feel... "

Leave it on my doorstep wrote on Apr 24, 2007 1:58 PM:

" I am one of the people who spent thousands of dollars to have a baby and could not. Please before you make it go away, why don’t you have it and leave it on my doorstep. I’ll take care of it. "

karl L. wrote on Apr 24, 2007 1:58 PM:

" Gosh it's great to read the posters on here defending a womans's right to choose! Say it loudly, Ladies! "

Well... wrote on Apr 24, 2007 1:37 PM:

" The Woman alone did not make the 'Fetus' or the 'Blastocyst' so the woman alone should not make the decision. If the woman AND the man decide TOGETHER to terminate the pregnancy IN THE EARLY STAGES then that is up to them... IF it is still in the blastocyst stage. Beyond that it is a viable pregnancy and should be carried to term. You made your bed, LIE IN IT. There is BIRTH CONTROL for a reason. USE IT! Then put the baby up for adoption and allow those unable to have children give that child the life it deserves. "

Another woman wrote on Apr 24, 2007 1:23 PM:

" Sometimes it isn't even a fetus -- it's a blastocyst -- a hollow ball of cells with no more than the potential to grow into a human being. And I am very thankful it is a woman's choice -- and some of us even make the baby's best interests our top priority when making the decision (even the decision not to have it). "

Leon Kapowski wrote on Apr 24, 2007 1:22 PM:

" Some people spend tens of thousands of dollars just attempting to have a baby, there are others who are devastated when a miscarriage happens, and then there are other people who spend a few hundred bucks to make it go away. I think that's a good way to gauge the character of a person. "

Woman wrote on Apr 24, 2007 12:29 PM:

" It is not a baby, it is not an infant, it is a fetus and we have the right to make those decisions ourselves, thank you. And, frankly, god is not involved in everyones decision. Sometimes it is simply Woman alone who decides. "

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