New condos could serve an untapped market

By Jessica Soule / The Citizen

Monday, April 23, 2007 9:40 AM EDT

An Auburn businessman has embarked on a multimillion dollar project that combines his passion for old structures and quality architecture with his love for his city.
Jason Rearick / The Citizen
The former Wegman Piano Factory is the future site of Logan Park Lofts, pending approval from the Auburn City Council and a historical board.
The nearly 30 people who have voiced interest in the estimated $4.9 million planned condominium project proves Matteo Bartolotta isn't alone.

Pending a vote from the Auburn City Council next Thursday, Bartolotta will turn the former Wegman Piano Factory into 35 higher-end housing units.

Of the 27 people who showed interest in the complex, Bartolotta said half are from Auburn and Cayuga County. Some are from surrounding areas such as Skaneateles, Syracuse and Rochester.

The owner of Bartolotta Furniture Co. heard from 18 people almost immediately when his ideas to renovate the old brick building into a residential complex began to circulate this fall. Those interested consist of a mixed group, from young professionals to empty nesters or mature professionals, and people ready to retire, Bartolotta said. Also, some former residents see this as an opportunity to come back to the region, he added.

Syracuse hosted a similar project 15 years ago. Franklin Square Condominiums was an old manufacturing building converted to 47 housing units, which sold quickly. The project was one of the first upscale condominium complex buildings in downtown Syracuse.

The lack of upscale housing and condominiums was detailed in a recent housing study for Auburn. The Alpharetta, Ga.-based Novagradac & Company prepared the analysis, of which the final draft was presented to the city council in January.

“While these developments have been successful in Syracuse, there is little financial evidence to support this type of development in Auburn. However, a project on a lesser scale may be more feasible,” the study states.

Realtor Shawn Murphy believes the project is a positive undertaking for the city. A director of the New York State Association for Realtors, Murphy thinks the project will succeed with two specific markets within the community.

First, the young professionals who don't have children may want to buy property and build equity, but not fix up properties or maintain the lawn.

Second, are the snowbirds who live in the Finger Lakes region for part of the year. These buyers may also be empty nesters who don't want to take care of a large home anymore, Murphy said. He also belongs to and served as six-time past president of the Cayuga County Association of Realtors.

“If they are in Florida, they would have to worry about their property here. (With a condo), they turn the key in the door and not worry about it,” Murphy said.

This last group can find the freedom of knowing they've left their home safe and it will be kept up when they travel, Bartolotta added.

Philip Colby of Colby Real Estate responded positively about adding condominiums to Auburn's housing stock when asked for the housing study. He specifically pointed to the growing need for housing for higher income elderly, a market both Bartolotta and Murphy have said will show interest in the lofts. Many seniors don't qualify for subsidized facilities but do not want to keep their large homes.

Bartolotta doesn't have a price range, he said, because he will use the cost of materials to decide. He said he wants to make the price as close to cost as possible.

From the plan's inception, there have been side conversations about whether residents can afford the lofts.

Murphy foresees the property doing well. He points to Martin Point, an Owasco complex built more than 10 years ago. He said the Logan Park Lofts may be more successful because of the more affordable range.

“I think it will be (sold to) local people. When the developers of Martin Point first marketed it 10 to 12 years ago, people thought it would be people from out of town or out of state who want a home in the Finger Lakes,” Murphy said.

The developers first advertised the complex in Boston and New York City, he said. When Murphy's real estate business became the broker for the complex, he discovered most of the buyers were from the area.

He points to local people who want a nice place to live but without the work and hassle of yard work and property upkeep.

“I think it's a good product line for the city. We don't really have anything like this here,” Murphy said.

A recent study of Auburn's housing stock and future needs detailed the lack of upscale housing and condominiums.

One trend shows the increasing number of young professionals, from 24 to 30, in the region. The Environmental Systems Research Institute Business Analyst forecasts a slight increase from 15.6 percent in 2006 to 16.4 percent in 2011. Currently, Auburn has a higher percentage of people in that age group than Cayuga County.

“Our demographics indicate that there may be potential for additional rental units targeted toward this population segment,” according to the study. It also pointed to buyers' preferences in the market, which include homes and units that are single-story, have two or three bedrooms, newly constructed and have a large lot.

The Logan Street project offers all these amenities, with the exception of the large lot. Instead it will have a garden area on the property, architect Andrew Ramgard told the Auburn Planning Board last month.

The property will have 35 units, a change from earlier designs because architects tailored the project to accommodate the demand and feedback they receive.

People said they mostly wanted two-bedroom units, Bartolotta said. This allows couples with grown children an extra bedroom or general guest bedroom, or an office or computer room.

“We tried to figure out the future of the project. The most requested - I would say 90 percent or more - wanted two bedrooms. That's the feedback we've gotten. And like I say, we try to make (changes) for what people want,” he said.

Bartolotta loves old buildings, and wants to keep the region's architecture and history intact, he said.

After going before the city council the plans next will go before a historical board. After they receive all the approval, crews can start building.

Murphy hopes that once the complex is off and running, it will inspire other similar condominium opportunities.

“(A condo project) would be good in the downtown area. People are always talking about revitalization, that's one way to do it. There are empty second- and third-floor spaces,” Murphy said.

“If this works in one place, it might spread into downtown,” he added.

Staff writer Jessica Soule can be reached at 253-5311 ext 267 or jessica.soule@lee.net

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2FUNNY! wrote on Apr 24, 2007 1:11 PM:

" Hey biskut.......Let me ask you a question.....Your right we should not be dising people......but honestly, constructive? Do something constructive? How about building and strengthing a community thatis SO weak it is in the verge of completely falling apart!!Strengthen the hospital that is having difficulty staying open? The only people I see people wanting to "dis" as you put it...are the narrow minded people that see the $$$$ signs from richies that will hopefully be brought into decaying Auburn...Don't let Mr.Bartolotta set himself up for failure!!! "

TOO FUNNY wrote on Apr 24, 2007 1:03 PM:

" I would have to agree with Are you Serious!!!! What is next A Rolls Royce Dealership?? The average household income in Auburn is what 42,000? Okay....most of the people in that city couldn't afford a tire from a Rolls Royce!!! "

Laugh_till_I_cry wrote on Apr 24, 2007 12:20 PM:

" Hey Jeff, pack your bags youngin, I just received notice that a new bagel shop in going into what use to be Genesee Mall. Oh yeah, that bagel shop will cut down traffic at lunch time to Angelos. By gosh if you play your cards right they may even put in a new used book store or a gas station and make it full service. Oooooh baby, Auburn is going to be flooded with new yuppie residents. "

Laugh_til_I_cry wrote on Apr 24, 2007 12:15 PM:

" You know what I bet Matteo could get a deal on AMH, lots of condos there!!! "

TOO FUNNY!!! wrote on Apr 24, 2007 12:12 PM:

" Good Luck Mr.Bartolotta.....I think it is wonderful that you are thinking outside the box so to speak and have a great love for your city........But let's look at a few things here people....You are talking about Auburn....young professionals??? Professional what? Assemblyline workers making a losy $6.25 and hour in a sweat shop? Or perhaps the retired school teacher? Who could afford them? I'll tell you who....If this "project" gets the OK.....In that area and in this city....In ONE year of completion....it will be the historical section 8 building....or better yet, a place where your local judges and DA's get to throng? I see the writing on the wall.The "snooties" will only bring havok to the area, thus causing more segregation to the working, middle and lower class that make up 85% of Auburn. Mr. Bartolotta is a wonderful man with beautiful homes and has a great love for the area...but when you think outside the box........think outside of Auburn NY!!!! "

Laugh_till_I_cry wrote on Apr 24, 2007 11:05 AM:

" Don, no why do you have to drag Nozzolio into the fray? FYI - this could not be a project eligible for "pork" money. Oh Boy and Jay, there is probably a wait for Section 8 vouchers, but the thought is good. Sign up now. And Biskut, why do we "dis" people, come on now; you show me any substantial growth, prosperity, or lures the City of Auburn has with respect to building a career and I will eat my hat. Let me see you could work in one of the local "assembly" plants through a temp agency and make bone bottom minimum wage. Or you could work in one of the local stores or malls again for minimum wage. You could work at Welch Allyn, again through temp and never get hired. You could become a prison guard, oh wait, cancel that the political process is too long. It is so sad that Auburn has become what it has. And, this is a biggie too, the first time someone of colour moves in the poop will hit the fan. Sleepy little Auburn is just a dying place that is filled with political overtones ringing loud enough to hurt your ears. Leave now while you are young. Run and run fast. "

biskut wrote on Apr 24, 2007 9:09 AM:

" Before you all complain and gripe, what are you doing to improve the city? Just complain here? Sure that's easy. Try doing something more constructive than dising others. So what if they make loads of money. What is the building going to be if it sits empty? A shelter for anything that comes along. "

oh boy wrote on Apr 24, 2007 8:40 AM:

" let me apply now for section 8 housing cause they are all most auburn residents can afford with no jobs in the area "

Hey Auburn wrote on Apr 24, 2007 7:38 AM:

" Can you get give me A million dollars? I want to put a new toll booth on Lake Avenue. Don't worry rhough, After twenty five or fifty years of Pilot Programs, you will finally be able to get that Bridge, which until now has been a money pit, back on the tax rolls. "

Laugh_till_I_cry wrote on Apr 23, 2007 11:54 PM:

" This is just a hoot. To read that people are planning to move back to Auburn to buy a "condo/loft" in the growing, thriving, trendy Auburn New York! I just can't stop laughing, this is a riot. My stomach hurts. If I am not mistaken, the views of Auburn Correctional Facility should be great. Yes er eeeee, I hope they have a earth friendly roof top with grass instead of concrete. Oh to be stupid enough to live in Auburn. "

jay wrote on Apr 23, 2007 11:20 PM:

" NO ONE NEEDS TO WORRY, THESE WILL TURN INTO SECTION 8 WITHIN A YEAR WHEN NO ONE BUYS THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

tk wrote on Apr 23, 2007 11:06 PM:

" what a joke i can't stop laughing, young pros, downtown auburn stop it your killing me "

Don wrote on Apr 23, 2007 10:16 PM:

" The project is just a pork barrel project to help the rich get richer. Dump Nozzolio, he has connections in this also. "

yet again wrote on Apr 23, 2007 8:44 PM:

" Are you kidding!!! The Bartolotta family is going to make a fortune off of this and someone wants us to belive they are doing it to benefit others. Just like the Sale of the Vitale building. Seems as though more thought should go into saving money for the city and the county, than helping those who want us to belive they are helping others. "

Soontobepharmacist wrote on Apr 23, 2007 8:20 PM:

" I think this is great for the area! I will be returning to the area in a year as a young professional and this is the type of housing I need. This will bring young professionals back to the city and their money along with it. Great job Mr. Bartolotta and hopefully this will help drive more people to have PRIDE in their city!!!! "

katrina wrote on Apr 23, 2007 7:16 PM:

" sounds like a great idea, but the area is not the greatest location. I think the City better clean up the area, before you let people of some class live there. I certainly would not like to see garbage out my window of my nicely renovated condo/apartment. "

Bad area wrote on Apr 23, 2007 6:40 PM:

" I agree with good luck. I lived on Janet St. for a short time and that area is going downhill fast!! All the old folks are leaving and landlords are filling up the homes with "trash". I didn't want my kids to play out front and we had so many stray cats in the area that they used our back yard like a litterbox. "

Maybe wrote on Apr 23, 2007 5:32 PM:

" The Citizen could do some investigative reporting and see that communities such as Ithaca are using grants from this program to refurbish playgrounds and doing other things to benefit the whole community, and NOT JUST THE RICH!!!!! "

Are you serious???????? wrote on Apr 23, 2007 5:31 PM:

" I need to subsidize private business which is going to cater to the well off? What's next, a grant to build a Rolls Royce dealership? By the way, isn't this the same guy they gave Chet's Cleaners to on the condition that he clean it up within a year? Has he done anything with that? "

where? wrote on Apr 23, 2007 5:12 PM:

" For those of us that do not know, where is it? I am not familiar with the old piano factory. "

I agre with excuse me.. wrote on Apr 23, 2007 5:05 PM:

" If this project is undertaken with government subsidies then it is not a good thing. As noted it is an "upscale" project benefitting only a few, and has no business being subsidized by us taxpayers. I agree it "might" be a good idea to have this kind of housing available for those who can afford it, but the market should decide that. AJ "

GoodLuck wrote on Apr 23, 2007 4:50 PM:

" Has anyone seen the surrounding area, Grover St. and Janet St.. Somebody should have seen all the "trash" outside over the weekend. Good idea, wrong location,. Better hire security, you are going to need it! "

Robert wrote on Apr 23, 2007 2:52 PM:

" I think this is a terrific idea! And for me, timely. I have been looking and looking for a townhouse/condo in the Auburn/Camillus area without much success. I will be moving back to Auburn, my hometown, sometime soon. Hopefully, floor plans and preliminary costs will be available. "

noneedfor aname wrote on Apr 23, 2007 2:20 PM:

" Great to see someone trying to improve our city. So many people seem to say that there is nothing here anymore and it's good to see something positive coming out of this...the best of luck to you Mr. Bartolotta! "

JACK wrote on Apr 23, 2007 2:09 PM:

" WILL I AT SEVENTY FIVE BE EXPECTED TO PAY "THE UPSCALE N Y TAXES" THAT GO WITH SUCH PLANS MY TAXES IN ANOTHER STATE ARE $5000.PR ANNUM FOR A CONDO APPRAISED AT $220K AND MED SERVICE A DISTANT 30 MILES AWAY? NOT TO MY THINKING. "

Joyce wrote on Apr 23, 2007 1:16 PM:

" I think the loft/condo is a wonderful idea. Show us some floor plans to see if they will work for most of us. My husband and I would like to retire in Auburn near family....We are waiting to see if they are in our price range...Thank you "

Excuse Me wrote on Apr 23, 2007 1:08 PM:

" How does the corporate welfare that is being shelled out on this project benefit the people of NY and Auburn again? I could understand some low interest loans, but to just hand over a ton of money to private enterprise borders on the edge of criminality. "

yessir wrote on Apr 23, 2007 12:53 PM:

" A big plus to a decaying neighborhood....kudos....I hope it works. "

This project is a wrote on Apr 23, 2007 12:38 PM:

" great thing for Auburn. It has happened all over the country, old buildings retro-fitted for new housing use. There are many more older sites in town where this would be the perfect re-use solution. I am glad to see this happening. The condo market does not exist here and should. "

Curious wrote on Apr 23, 2007 12:22 PM:

" Nice to read something positive about Auburn. The article should have included information on the grant the owner recieved & any other future concessions. I wish the owners well. "

THE SAM wrote on Apr 23, 2007 11:42 AM:

" I recently purchased a house on Tuxill Square. A big reason for purchasing in the area was do to the condo project. It will energize the neighborhood in a positive way. Thank you Mr. Bartolotta and good luck with your project. Signed; Salvatore Manitta Jr. "

Jeff wrote on Apr 23, 2007 11:36 AM:

" I would love to move back it is reasonably priced for a young professional. Adding more to downtown will continue to entice. I live in a condo above a row of stores and love it. My family is in Auburn and I would love to be back. "

Chris Van Note wrote on Apr 23, 2007 11:14 AM:

" Does anyone have an approximate asking price for one of the condos? I would love to move back to Auburn, but I would need a good paying job first and thats what seems to be lacking in town. I'm a college educated person with 16 years of experience and I've seen one opening in my field in the last year or so that would enable me to purchase a home. "

a GREAT IDEA! wrote on Apr 23, 2007 10:57 AM:

" this will only benefit AUBURN. Cities all around the country (both large and small) have been doing the same thing. Lofts / Condos are great for young professionals and retired people who dont want to spend time taking care of a yard & an entire home. With condo fees, they can have everything done for them and enjoy their free time more. Auburn should do this with more of the bldgs. - especially on Genesee St. There are a few of them vacant, and will only draw more people to live in town in an upscale environment. Kudos to Mr. Bartolotta for thinking outside the box and bringing something fresh & new to the city. "

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