Will regional cooling effect global warming?

Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:25 AM EST

Chris Van Note wrote to The Citizen on Feb. 19 with concerns that regional cooling might contradict global warming.
In response: Scattered areas of regional surface cooling do not disprove the three-decade long accelerating rise in global average surface temperature.

As an example, in the southern hemisphere the circumpolar belt around Antarctica is cooler than might be expected with a global warming trend.

This apparent contradiction

is resolved by considering that

with increased absorption of

solar radiation in the equatorial region.

There is increased heat transport from the equator to poles, with increased wind speeds in general and increased circumpolar wind speeds in particular.

The increased circumpolar wind causes increased “Ekman” pumping of cooler water from the deep ocean, a well-accepted physical phenomenon stemming from the Coriolis force.

The cooler water from the deep cools the surface, bringing down the temperature readings for the circumpolar belt around Antarctica.

While the surface gets cooler, the deep ocean gets warmer.

The apparent contradiction with the global warming trend arose because the summary global measurements and average are for the surface.

Areas of regional surface cooling elsewhere in the world are similarly caused by circulatory phenomena in the air or water, and compensated by increased warming away from the surface or in other regions.

The overall effect at the surface of the Earth is summarized in the accelerating rise in global average surface temperature.

Sylvester Johnson

Brooktondale

Johnson, Ph.D. Applied Physics, can be

contacted through his non-profit Web site www.climatehealth.net

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Chris Van Note wrote on Mar 2, 2007 8:48 AM:

" DD-that was ManBearPig from South Park. And Karl, relax-I don't hate liberals, I feel pity for people who are mugged by reality as much as they are. Since the beginning of the industrial revolution, the CO2 content of the atmosphere has increased. The RATE of growth during this period has also increased from about 0.2% per year to the present rate of about 0.4% per year,which growth rate has now been constant for the past 25 years. However, there is no proof that CO2 is the main driver of global warming. As measured in ice cores dated over many thousands of years, CO2 levels move up and down AFTER the temperature has done so, and thus are the RESULT OF, NOT THE CAUSE of warming. Geological field work in recent sediments confirms this causal relationship. There is solid evidence that, as temperatures move up and down naturally and cyclically through solar radiation, orbital and galactic influences, the warming surface layers of the earth's oceans expel more CO2 as a result. "

DD wrote on Mar 1, 2007 7:15 PM:

" I love the ;) after the bit--very emotional, or emo as my kids call it--. I still think that the earth is just going through one if its many changes. You're right in one sense Karl, that there may be something to this whole earthly change thing when it comes to humans emitting harmful gasses, but I emit harmful gasses everyday, and my family just deals with it. I may get punched by the wife once in awhile, but we all cover our noses, and it passes. It passes just like this regional warming trend will. Yes, we pollute this earth, and take it for granted in many ways which is WRONG, but just like man cow pig, global warming a tale. NOW, CAN WE ALL GO OVER TO GUY COSENTINO'S AREA TO MAKE FUN OF HIM? PLEASE? "

karl logan wrote on Mar 1, 2007 6:36 PM:

" Chris, I am convinced that you live in a reality totally all your own, and that no amount of facts or evidence will rattle you from you cynical soapbox. Are you REALLY BILLY KUFS?!?!?! So even if we take your Russian scientist at his claim, then there STILL IS global warming,---RIGHT?! I'm open-minded enough to admit that ther's no doubt some other natural component to it, working tghether with the MASSIVE INCREASE in CO2 gases caused by human developement; YOU, on the other hand, can't seem to get your head around your hatred of "Liberals" enough to admit that, JUST MAYBE, all these other scientists MAY just have something OTHER than an agenda to push and MIGHT actually CARE about the future of our children and the rest of humankind!! Oh,...right,...They're just being "EMOTIONAL"!!--and we KNOW how you hate THAT! In a wierd way I feel sorry for you when I think of what possibly in your world makes you so disdainful of the impulse that drives us to love and care for anyone other than ourselves? Sorry, I guess I'm just "emotional" that way! ;( "

DD wrote on Mar 1, 2007 5:45 PM:

" Will everyone please go over to Guy Cosentino's area. I think he may feel left out that we're not debating the issues he write about. I mean, I was bored to tears reading it, but I'm sure we could find something to disagree about--what do you say? "

Chris Van Note wrote on Mar 1, 2007 12:00 PM:

" Karl, it would be like watching Fahrenheit 9/11, a work of mostly fiction. I try to get my FACTS from actual non-biased sources on topics that interest me. And again Karl, you use the liberal debate mantra of Emotion over Intellect. Screaming, yelling and flapping your arms don't change facts and in my opinoin, the sources I use are a lot more credible that a "documentary" by Al Gore. Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of the St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun. "The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html I could find any number of actual scientists and climatologists that would refute the claim that the so-called "global warming" is caused by humans. "

karl logan wrote on Mar 1, 2007 11:20 AM:

" OK, once more I'll ask the question...how many of you have actually SEEN Al Gore's movie?.....Antway, Ifeel a LOT better now knowing I'm surrounded by a bunch of guys who are smarter than all of the world's scientists...NOT!!!!!!!!! "

Chris Van Note wrote on Feb 28, 2007 7:44 PM:

" Not all of us are seeking eco-salvation by praying to the Goracle. "

DiCondito wrote on Feb 28, 2007 7:03 PM:

" The call for human action to combat a perceived 'global warming' circumstance seems to me to be rather an excessively humanocentric view. "

DD wrote on Feb 28, 2007 6:52 PM:

" Hollywood always has more money than brains--all of those actors are all of a sudden experts on everything. Al Gore is an idiot that has nothing better to do with his time than spend his fossil fuel and tobacco money. "

Mamalickabooboo wrote on Feb 28, 2007 6:30 PM:

" When all the ice melts, we can use the water to make more beer. Is it that hard to believe that through millions of years, the earth has gone through hundreds of temp changes? Global warming is crap. "

David wrote on Feb 28, 2007 4:28 PM:

" At one time dinosaurs roamed in northern Canada. I supposed they caused global warming also? Global warming is all hype "

Chris Van Note wrote on Feb 28, 2007 12:31 PM:

" Heck, even the feckless UN isn't sure about this, according to the IPCC's (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change)own findings, man's role is so uncertain that there is a strong possibility that we have been cooling, not warming, the Earth. Per Astrophysicist Nir Shariv, it may be the sun causing the "problem": "Solar activity can explain a large part of the 20th-century global warming," he states, particularly because of the evidence that has been accumulating over the past decade of the strong relationship that cosmic- ray flux has on our atmosphere. So much evidence has by now been amassed, in fact, that "it is unlikely that [the solar climate link] does not exist." Dr. Shaviv reconstructed the temperature on Earth over the past 550 million years to find that cosmic ray flux variations explain more than two-thirds of Earth's temperature variance, making it the most dominant climate driver over geological time scales. The study also found that an upper limit can be placed on the relative role of CO2 as a climate driver, meaning that a large fraction of the global warming witnessed over the past century could not be due to CO2 -- instead it is attributable to the increased solar activity. Alarmism and scare tactics might get people's attention, but when one actually delves into the issue, the facts don't match the hype. "

Leon Kapowski wrote on Feb 28, 2007 11:38 AM:

" Hey Chris, "Internet" Al Gore just won an Oscar for his "documentary", so he MUST be right, no? Or could it have been the committee is just as ignorant of all the scientific facts, or maybe it was purely political in nature? Nah, couldn't be, those Hollywood people would never steer anyone wrong. "

Chris Van Note wrote on Feb 28, 2007 11:29 AM:

" I'm not disputing the fact that we have changes going on with regard to global warming, I just don't believe the hype that Al Gore is presenting. I believe it to be a natural occurance and I believe that sound science and history prove this. Per Robert B. Gagosian, President and Director, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution: "Fossil evidence clearly demonstrates that Earth's climate can shift gears within a decade, establishing new and different patterns that can persist for decades to centuries. In addition, these climate shifts do not necessarily have universal, global effects. They can generate a counterintuitive scenario: Even as the earth as a whole continues to warm gradually, large regions may experience a precipitous and disruptive shift into colder climates." There are many, many elements that can contribute to "global warming", and most of them are naturally occuring. This isn't to say that we shouldn't clean up our act, but that we need to do in a fiscally responsible manner. "

karl logan wrote on Feb 28, 2007 11:13 AM:

" OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHH Chris !!! You're as famous now as me!! "

Themooseinny wrote on Feb 28, 2007 10:08 AM:

" isn't that we are between ice ages the real reason that it is warming -remember that it was only 12,000 years ago the ice was several miles thick around here . "

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