Board hears from parents

by Olivia Goldberg / The Citizen

Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:16 PM EDT

POPLAR RIDGE - A group of students and parents are hoping the Southern Cayuga Central School District Board of Education will reverse a decision barring seniors who were caught breaking and entering into the high school from attending Saturday's graduation ceremony.
Parents and peers of 15 Southern Cayuga students - taken into custody for what Cayuga County Sheriff Rob Outhouse had deemed a prank that got out of hand - showed up at Monday's school board meeting to advocate for the upperclassmen. They asked board members to either allow the students to participate in the ceremony, or at least let them attend the ceremony to support their classmates.

Police initially caught three teenagers in the building and charged them with felony burglary. Others were charged in the following days.

Parents said Monday night that 10 students had been charged with felonies and five with misdemeanors - two of those charged were juniors at the school. Most of those charged have so far been ordered to perform between 40 and 100 hours of community service.

“We had no intention of doing anything destructive to the school itself,” said Joseph Doeing, who admitted forcing entry into the school. Doeing, who graduated from another school district, offered his apologies to the school board and to the school community.

Outhouse had acknowledged his office had received information that students were planning to break into the building June 8. Sheriff's deputies who convened at the school to set up a stakeout found several people already inside the building.

“It was a lapse in judgment,” Doeing said, adding that all students had wanted to do was remove desks from a classroom to a hallway, and then fill the classroom with balloons.

The board listened solemnly to the parents and teens who spoke up; board members said they'd “agonized” during a three-day deliberation before arriving at a decision to bar the students from attending their graduation ceremony. Still, school board president Theodore Rejman told the crowd they would deliberate further on their decision.

In other news:

* Prior to the public comment session, the school board had focused its energies on a presentation by two representatives from Atlantic Energy, which had reviewed the school buildings' current energy performance. Their recommendations: a projected $1.1 million overhaul of existing lighting systems - to standardize existing fluorescent bulbs, caulking and otherwise securing the building against future leaks, and upgrading the boilers in the high school, which representatives said were “running at the end of their useful life.”

The project's duration would run 18 years. Pending the board's approval the plan, which must still undergo review by the State Education Department, would see the district save a projected $61,921. The savings, said Atlantic Energy, would either be seen in kilowatt hours used, or - if energy costs go up - in a reimbursement by the company.

“We're just buying better mileage and the price of gas is going up,” said board member Edward Moscato.

The school board, however, agreed to spend more time determining the scope of the district's capital needs prior to approving Atlantic Energy's plan.

* Math teacher Jen Tonzi led four middle school students from grades 5-8 in presenting the results of the class's second annual Math-a-Thon, a fund drive that benefited the St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. Forty-seven students set to solving as many math problems as they could in a two-week period, raising $3,200 for research on pediatric cancer. The school has set a goal of involving 86 students next year, and raising $5,760 for St. Jude's.

* Michael Card, representing the Cayuga-Onondaga BOCES for the Central New York School Board Association, was on hand to formally thank outgoing school board members Edward Moscato and Bruce Hatfield for their service to Southern Cayuga schools.

* The school board deliberated a date change for its reorganization meeting, so all board members can be present. The reorganization meeting is currently set for July 10 at 6:30 p.m.

* The superintendent and the board reviewed a budget critique, assembled from responses to exit poll surveys conducted after the May 16 budget vote. Most of the people who completed surveys had praised the administration for being open and informing the public every step of the way about budgetary proposals.

* A panel will convene for a third time this afternoon to review and modify the district's code of conduct. The board plans to present the updated code at the next school board meeting July 10.

Staff writer Olivia Goldberg can be reached at 253-5311 ext 235 or at olivia.goldberg@lee.net

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SCCS Parent wrote on Jun 27, 2006 11:05 AM:

" Thanks, Senior Mom, for the clarification. You and I agree on many things, maybe not all the details, but I appreciate the response. And I certainly agree that I hope everyone -- students, parents, other community members, and school officials -- have learned something important from this whole situation. "

A senior mom wrote on Jun 27, 2006 8:05 AM:

" Responding to the last comment... I surely did not know that the "prank" was to break in to the school. I was aware that there was such a thing of "Senior Prank" as I think most parents were. That was the point I was making. That is where my discussion came in with my child in regard to not breaking any laws or crossing lines to harm anyone or anything. I had no idea that anything that involved the school in particular was going to happen. I did learn since then that the school did know that there was talk of the school specifically. That is where I think the school should of talked to the kids directly about what consequences they faced. I do believe in consequences. I do think that not being able to even attend the graduation was too harsh. And maybe in some ways I did see it as a punishment on families that really should not of been punished. I think that the arrest, the community service, the possible losing of scholarships, or potential ramifications with college placements (which I was referring to beyond the attendance of graduation) was plenty. Senior privs... maybe silly things that meant little to us as parents.. a senior hallway... other things that I had heard about here and there that other classes had that this class lost because of previous class behaviors was what I was referring too. I know that my child felt bad that the students could not there. I know that I felt bad for them and the parents as well. Maybe everyone has learned something from this. "

THANK YOU SCCS PARENT ...... wrote on Jun 25, 2006 6:42 PM:

" from those of us that she claims "miss the point!" "

SCCS Parent wrote on Jun 25, 2006 5:40 PM:

" Senior Mom, can you clarify? I am a little confused as to what you are trying to say. Bear with me. I understand you are saying parents needed to talk with their children about right and wrong and not breaking the law -- and I agree. I understand you are criticizing the Southern Cayuga school board (not always the same people year to year) for not taking the same stand each year. If that is so, then it is a problem with the school board: not an excuse to let things go, but just to apply the penalties consistently. I think we agree here too. Then you say the school doesn't have a valedictorian and salutatorian (top two students) -- some schools don't and it prevents the kind of politicking to pad those kids grades such as I saw in my own high school and I have no problem with not having that. I don't know what other senior "privs" you mean the kids should get that they don't. We never had any and I see no special need for any myself. But then you lose me completely -- you wrote: "I will not take a role in what happened because I knew of senior pranks if that is the case then the WHOLE community, every teacher, and parent, is responsible" -- is that one sentence or two? I don't understand how the first part is related to the second part. How would a parent "take a role in what happened?" Or do you mean take responsibility? Before, after the fact? I am not sure. If lots of people knew -- and I have seen letters from other parents who did (though I did not nor my kids) -- then, yes, one has to ask why no parents said something before it all went down -- did they think it was an OK thing to do, breaking into the school? I don't know. I think I can figure this one out: "IF that is the case then the school should of [sic -- have] called a meeting and sat the kids down and had a blatant [sic -- direct? straightforward?] discussion with them." If I am understanding correctly, then I agree completely. If enough people in the community, particularly parents, had heard about this ahead of time, then they most certainly should have gone to the school (or at the very least, to other parents) and requested an open meeting or some such community-based response -- BEFORE the event. You also lose me in your conclusion -- do you mean you think that although you do believe in consequences for one's actions, that it was too much to disallow the kids who were arrested to attend their graduation? What do you mean by goes "beyond not being able to attend graduation" -- that sounds like you think it was not a stiff enough punishment, yet the next line sounds like you think that particular punishment was too harsh. I am not trying to be a smart-aleck -- I really don't understand what you are trying to get across. Forgive me for asking, but if you could write again, I really would like to understand your position. I think that not being able to attend graduation was a bigger penalty on the parents than the kids. Not only thinking back to my own high school graduation, but also how there were some kids who didn't come to SCCS graduation not in protest but because they just didn't care and others who showed up only for their parents' sake. I suspect that having the privelege taken away has made it seem worth more to some of those kids than it would have been had they been allowed to attend and in so far as that may be true, then it was an appropriate penalty -- perhaps it taught them to value things a little more for the next time they are faced with such decisions which seem small at the time but can make a big difference in terms of consequences. Respectfully. "

A senior mom... wrote on Jun 25, 2006 9:33 AM:

" I believe some of you miss the point.. it was not to say, hey that was okay and there is no responsibility to be had. It was to say there is a responsiblity as a parent to have a discussion with your child about right and wrong choices,sure in the end the child made the wrong choice. Being arrested and having to do community service, pay restitution was plenty of punishment in my eyes. The ramifications were well beyond graduation. My discussion with my child was clear.. DO NOT COMMIT A CRIME. IF that is going to happen you come home or seperate your self. That choice was thankfully made. Now maybe that discussion was had in other homes, I can't speak to the others. I do know that this school board has not responded equally or appropriately in the past to issues at Southern Cayuga and for whatever reason this class has taken the brunt. Southern Cayuga doesn't even recognize the top two students in the class let alone allow many senior privs to these kids who they then spring board off in to the world. I will not take a role in what happened because I knew of senior pranks if that is the case then the WHOLE community, every teacher, and parent, is responsible. IF that is the case then the school should of called a meeting and sat the kids down and had a blatant discussion with them. People truly need to look beyond themselves. These kids and what they did go beyond not being able to attend graduation. Now I firmly believe in consequences.. but I know that high school graduation is so much more than 15 minutes of what the reality of this was... "

One of many parents wrote on Jun 24, 2006 5:48 PM:

" The two senior speakers at SCCS Graduation today showed the divide -- one spoke of the need to know right from wrong and of taking care not to make stupid decisions which would affect the rest of your life. The other said she was one of a group of students wearing the initials of the kids who'd been banned from graduation as a way to show they should have been there too. I am sure there will always be more to the story than any of us know but I personally think the school district made the right choice with the info they had. Break the law, pay a price -- not a too high price like going to jail or paying steep fines, but one which is strong enough to be a real punishment, to perhaps be a deterrant for future pranksters, to be something that will be remembered and hopefully teach a lesson. Sorry it happened this way, but it did and the school district has a responsibility to, well, be responsible. Time to get on with your lives, kids, and hopefully learn there are consequences for poor decisions that can't always be undone later. You have one drink too many and decide to drive home anyway and kill somebody, you may be a great person and very sorry and it was only one little bad decision -- but you can't bring the dead person back. I exaggerate to make a point. Done is done, consequences are applied to teach a lesson, own the mistake is yours, learn a lesson and get on with your life. Go to college and don't mess up -- then you can go to that graduation, for example. "

response wrote on Jun 24, 2006 10:34 AM:

" As far as assumptions, generalizations and being lumped into one category ... what do you expect? These "good" and "bad" kids (ironically) all chose to go to the same spot at the same time on the same night. Not ALL had been drinking or done damage - YET. They were caught within 15 mins. of their arrival. Whether they were the one that did the damage to get in or simply walked through the door after being let in makes absolutely no difference. The other named kids that were supposed to be there but hadn't yet arrived lucked out. Too bad SCCS has yet again made negative publicity. Especially during what should be such a happy time. "

Parent also wrote on Jun 23, 2006 7:17 PM:

" I've been wondering the same thing. Parents (who commented here) who knew that something was going down had kids who knew better than to get involved. What happened here, parents of kids who were involved? If you knew, how come you didn't say DON'T!!! If you didn't know, how come? And how come your kids didn't know better? I guess "good kids" is a relative term in the parents' and friends' eyes. Well, those kids weren't at rehearsal so they won't be in the graduation and as events have unfolded, I think it is appropriate. Jail would not have been, that would have been overkill, especially since this year there were "pranks" at other local schools much worse, but next year's class and the one after that need to learn to STOP AND THINK -- of the consequences -- before they do something stupid. So do the parents of those kids -- talk to them, make sure you are connected and know what they are up to -- or you will suffer as much as they do when the consequences hit home. "

Question wrote on Jun 23, 2006 12:25 PM:

" I do not have a student involved in this mess, but have been reading the feedback here online and listening to the conversations in the community. The blame on authorities for not stopping them after being tipped off keeps coming up. What about those students who HAD the communication at home and had parents that actually knew or "had a general sense" of what was being planned? Did they not play a role in allowing this to happen? "

A senior mom... wrote on Jun 23, 2006 9:57 AM:

" I am a mom of senior, a very good kid, and I was very well aware of senior prank night. As parents if you weren't, then there is a clear communication issue in your home. I had a general sense of where my child was going and I had a direct way to get in touch at all times if needed. The message from me was very clear and a bottom line. DO NOT CROSS THE LINE OF COMMITTING A CRIME. IF that is what appears is going to happen then you need to come home. Because #1 scholarship money and federal aid can be lost due to an arrest and #2 what will this do to the reputation you have built over the years in high school. A prank is not meant to cause harm to anyone or to make anyone suffer even the prankster. Now there are too many assumptions, generalizations being drawn and kids being lumped in to a one category. Not all were drinking, not all broke in, and not all did damage to the school. Some were let in with harmless intent. Now I'm not saying that is okay because the message was clear on my end. The school is closed, DO NOT GO IN. Maybe the problem lies in how parents communicate with their children as well. Obviously the last choice lies with the children, the choice to walk in. I also know there was an attempt to bring kids in to the picture that weren't even present and that is wrong. I know who some of these young people are. They ARE good kids, they are very good students. Did they make a mistake, yes they did. I can't fathom there is one person that has read this article that has not made a mistake. But in reading other newspapers and seeing what has happened in other districs such as Trumansburg, East-Syracuse Minoa, Fayetteville Manlius, and Newfield the barring of the students from graduation appears to be extreme. I make this comment ESPECIALLY considering how the district has responded in the past to issues with a more serious merit and repercussions much more widespread than this. The repercussions that these students may face go way beyond those that the readers may even realize. The issue of graduation and attendace is more of an emotional strain and seems undue at this time of their lives. "

Another parent of a senior wrote on Jun 22, 2006 4:38 PM:

" What the kids in Trumansburg did was much, much worse. Their Board made a big mistake in not taking that case to the law. Community Service is an entirely fitting punishment for the kids in Southern Cayuga, in keeping with the degree of misconduct, but kids who cause the whole school district to shut down for a full day and who so wantonly and disrespectfully destroy expensive property deserve a lot more than a slap on the wrist from the school. Does anyone know if those Trumansburg kids are being allowed to attend their graduation? They absolutely should not be, not at all. That is way beyond a "prank." Awfully glad my kid wasn't involved in any way at all. "

Sus wrote on Jun 22, 2006 11:25 AM:

" I really don't appreciate any comments about underclassmen being badly influenced. We are all in high school, and as you keep telling us need to be responsible for our actions. And these kids are being responsible. 40-100 hours of community service responsible. They wanted to play a senior prank. maybe they chose a bad time to do it, but the entire situation is being handled incredibly badly. As an 'easily influenced' underclassmen, all this has influenced me towards is increasing my disappointment and disgust with our school and the way it does things. "

'Underclassmen' wrote on Jun 22, 2006 11:11 AM:

" I happen to go to SCCS. I know every single one of those kids personally, and I like all of them. Senior pranks have been going on for years at SCCS, its almost expected. Spray painting the numbers on the road happens every single year. In my opinion our school has done a horrible job of handling this situation, it seems to me that they just don't care what happens to these kids. If you look at other schools this sort of thing is handled much differently. take for example Trumansburg: almost all of their tires on the school bus were rendered unusable, yet the school decided to handle the students themselves instead of letting the police botch the punishment. The school needs to get it together and start supporting it's students. personally, I'm not all that appalled about what the students did, I'm more apalled at the ay the school handled it. 13 years of school and they're not even allowed to come to the ceremony to support their friends. "

Parent of a senior wrote on Jun 21, 2006 11:25 AM:

" I feel that the board has a very tough job in front of them. My daughter is a senior in this class. She asked me about going out and writing on the roads on this evening and told me about the kids that were going to break into the school for "senior prank." She did not go as she knew that no matter what breaking in to the school was a crime. She wanted no part of it at all. To me a prank is something funny. If they really wanted to just get into the school to fill a room with balloons and move some desks around I'm sure that knowing some of the cleaning staff that they would of let them in and supervised the prank. There was no need for any of this. I feel sorry for the parents that have to go through all of this, but I also feel that the kids should have some kind of punishment. You cant just break the laws and get away with it. The schools now have there hands tied with what they can do to kids. There is no more respect from the school kid for there piers. I have walked through the school and heard kids telling teachers they dont have to do anything that they dont want to cause there is nothing that they can do about it. Maybe it is time that the school did something about this so it doesnt happen again. "

Brew wrote on Jun 21, 2006 12:26 AM:

" The people that respond to these news stories are an example of where our schools have failed. The schools have not taught the principles of grammar or spelling and it shows in the writings sent to "Send Us Your Say". "

a CONCERNED friend wrote on Jun 20, 2006 10:06 PM:

" why would you put senior prank in quotations? is there a purpose for that? Because that is all that is was. And since you seem to know the kids and the situation SO well...could you tell me then what were their intentions were? Because I didn't realize that they had different intentions. OH and concerned citizen if community service is to lenient then what would you suggest? Jail time? yeah, maybe a few years in jail would be best for these kids...I mean seriously. "

Concern for future pranksters wrote on Jun 20, 2006 7:56 PM:

" What kind of a message will it give the underclassmen if the Board reverses its decision? It's easy for these (good) kids to now say what their "intentions" were or were not. Of course they weren't there to do any damage. This is after they forced entry into a locked school building (some carrying alcohol) and then fled the scene when the authorities arrived. Innocent enough, right? Good thing that no one was injured during this "lapse in judgement." Perhaps future graduates will weigh out what's more important. Proudly walking across that stage after 13 years of hard work ... or breaking the law when participating in a so-called "senior prank." They've crossed the line between a crime and prank and should be punished by the school as well as the Court for making such a ridiculous choice. "

live in school dist wrote on Jun 20, 2006 5:49 PM:

" maybe that's all that was warranted if all they were doing was filling a room with balloons still wrong to break in and all but not like they were planning arson or something not like they deserve jail time or something for just that i really dont know what to think on one hand parents and friends swear these are good kids who just chose a senior prank that went too far and it sounds like that in the paper but on the other i know a guy who had stuff stolen from him by kids in this group then when used up his property was burned up at drinking party he promised not to tell parents or law (though goodness knows he talks about everything with everyone else) if they paid what it cost to replace his stuff and they did pay so sounds like admission of guilt so hes a good guy to give them a brak but that would make them not so nice kids as their parents (and friends?) think what to believe? would not want to be school board members having to decide which way to vote good kids doing wrong need to be taught before too late but too hard punishment could turn them all wrong while too little encourages more and worse gotta be hard for kids to read such awful things about themselves in the paper if they really are just good kids who made a bad choice once guess they should feel lucky not to go to jail i feel most sympathy and compassion for parents even if it turns out to be partly their bad for not seeing own kids bad behaviors and not correcting sooner earnestly hope they dont think this is a lark and that they come out of it okay all around good luck and god bless is all i can say "

Concerend Citizen wrote on Jun 20, 2006 2:38 PM:

" Community service is like a (SLAP on the hand)whats next ? "

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